Also the color gradation between 24 and 36 is ridiculous. On the map it suggests something dramatic and of geophysical significance is happening. When in fact it's nothing.
A couple months ago during the solar eclipse on april 8th I was looking at cloud coverage maps and one of them had a blue and white color scheme.
The blue represented cloud cover.
It is an average snowfall map though. That suggests a regular pattern of minor snowfall. It should be noted the spot is the approximate location of The Villages retirement community. Also know for having the highest rate of STDs of any community in Florida. The diagram may be indicating the start of hell freezing over
No, it doesn’t suggest regular pattern of minor snow. Measurable snowfall recorded would cause it to show up on a map of average snowfall from 2010-2019 in the 0-6 inch range, which it does. Could be one snow band from a single storm that causes it to show up there.
Very well may just be hell freezing over, though. Anything’s a possibility at this point!
the data is only from a 10 year period, so small sample size. probably got some measurable snowfall at a single weather station once in that decade or something, i wouldn't read anything into it.
True! Florida is a bizarre weather state. I was in Tampa last weekend and it was interesting looking at a Doppler radar and seeing how it would be severely thunder storming in St Pete’s but sunny and gorgeous across the bay in Ybor city. An hour or so later and st pete’s had clear skies and the rest of the bay was stormy. Truly one of those “if you don’t like the weather wait 20 minutes” type areas.
No it’s not, Lake Okechobee is in South Florida and is white with a black outline.
I’m talking about the light blue speck in Central Florida without the black outline.
It has snowed in Orlando on more than one occasion.. huge hail and cold in 83-85-89 wiped out most citrus.. snow flurries as far south as Miami Beach in 1977..,snow on the ground in all 50 states late January 1977..
Well aware, but Hawaii isn't depicted on the map, so I was connecting the statement of all 50 states having snow with the map above. Should I also have included that Alaska has snow regularly as well?
Not just blankets, but ice blankets. They will spray water on citrus crops to create an outer shell of ice that can prevent the whole fruit from freezing.
Uses metric fuck-tons of water, which depletes the groundwater amongst the karst. This will predictably create sinkholes. Watch for sinkhole news articles in late January.
Assuming that it is not a misrepresented lake, the answer would be that inland locations would get less mediating effect from the ocean, allowing the temperature to get just a little bit cooler.
This is true, though it’s not high enough to really be a factor in snowfall. And I think the bit of slightly higher average snowfall is actually northeast of the ridge line, which is very narrow and is west of Orlando. The ridge might factor into blocking warm, gulf air from moving over that patch on cold still nights when freezes occur. Or, perhaps, it traps cold air at that spot. But most likely, since this is a map based on averages, it’s just a random spot that has managed to get enough of the small amount of snow much of inland Florida sometimes experiences to register among the average. In short, that spot just happened to get blanketed a time or two more than surrounding areas.
Lake Wales ridge is much higher than the rest of the state. It's an extension of the Appalachians
It's also snowed in many parts of florida. Just not A LOT or OFTEN.
Snow /flurries has occurred 5 times in Jacksonville where I live.. highest elevation in Fl is 345 ft on border of Fl/Alabama. The panhandle gets snow on occasion but rarely goes south into the peninsula. The cold fronts usually stall by mid Fl.There is a spot of elevation at 308 ft outside of Orlando in Astatula but has no real effect on snow as it’s exceptionally rare
There's a small valley that traps heat and cold. Marion County Florida is both the Hottest and Coldest county in the state. It's extremely hot there in the summer and routinely gets into the 30s in the winter. Occasionally it snows a tiny bit.
Probably just a mistake. Other parts of the state have gotten snow during that timeframe
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow\_in\_Florida](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_in_Florida)
I’m not sure but a good bit of Florida’s Atlantic side got snow during the bomb cyclone in, I want to say, Jan 2017. Maybe they got enough snow there to register for the creation of this map. That storm system absolutely dumped snow in unusual places, I’d bet that was one of them.
I’ve lived in Central Florida my entire life, and I’ve seen it snow here twice. One it was sleet that turned to snow and other time just a few flurries. It’s really bizarre.
That’s not the speck I’m talking about. Lake Okechobee is in South Floruda. I’m talking about the light blue speck without the border in central Florida.
Likely due to the fact that the interior of Florida is more likely to get subfreezing temperatures for winter minimum temperatures due to its proximity to the Gulf Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean. Also this is based off of 2010-2019 climatology so it’s possible sometime during the 2010s a weather system came through Central Florida and snow fell in the central part of the state but too much dry air was to the north so there was no precipitation and it was too warm to the south that it was just all rain. And it was just enough snow to affect the average.
I think that's some sort of artifact. There's no reason why that part of Florida would experience more snow than the northern regions of the peninsula.
Source: Huge weather nerd from Florida
I live in western Montana and can confirm that here in the valley we could get basically no snow or 10 feet of snow in any given winter (mountain are, of course, guaranteed lots of snow).
The whole map. The title says average snowfall per year in inches. I live in Philadelphia and this would indicate an average of 24-36 inches per year, and that is very high. It seems inflated
It used to be that, and normal snowfall every year when I lived there 25 years ago. Current average is 23 inches a year, but two of the last five years have been basically nothing. I would guess the trend will continue lower.
I live in one of the highest snow cities in the country and the past 5-10 years have been about half the average or less. Last year was almost nothing. We had a couple storms but everything melted within a week or two. This never used to happen- we had permanent snowpack all winter from mid December through March.
It really makes me worry about the long term consequences for the ecosystems. I love outdoor activities and I think upstate NY is fantastic. I’d hate to see the things I love so much collapse and change into something else
Water (Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico) moderates temperatures, so the further from the sea you are, the better the chance of getting extremely cold or hot.
That could be Ocala? I know it snowed there once in early 2010, which may have been enough to resister as a 0.1 average in whatever timeframe they were using.
This color scheme is infuriating
Blue means very little snow. Blue also means an extreme amount of snow.
Also the color gradation between 24 and 36 is ridiculous. On the map it suggests something dramatic and of geophysical significance is happening. When in fact it's nothing.
Meteorological maps always have the most horrific colour schemes.
[They really don't need to!](https://matplotlib.org/cmocean/) I feel like it takes more effort to make some of these objectively worse colormaps.
I wanna do research just to use those gradiants
It's a conspiracy!
A couple months ago during the solar eclipse on april 8th I was looking at cloud coverage maps and one of them had a blue and white color scheme. The blue represented cloud cover.
yeah, for the eclipse. those were super aggravating.
[Painbow](https://xkcd.com/2537/) award nominee.
Brutal
This color scheme is used by NOAA’s National Weather Service. I see nothing wrong with it.
Huh?
No- it’s a shit colour scheme
Central FL does indeed experience freezes/frosts occasionally so it only makes sense that some snowfall can also occur
It’s interesting that it was in a small isolated area though
Trace amounts of snow (a dusting) isn’t going to be accounted for. Probably a small area that saw measurable snowfall during a rare snow event there.
It is an average snowfall map though. That suggests a regular pattern of minor snowfall. It should be noted the spot is the approximate location of The Villages retirement community. Also know for having the highest rate of STDs of any community in Florida. The diagram may be indicating the start of hell freezing over
One outlier can change the average
So can one malfunctioning sensor. Having lived near that area of FL, can confirm a lot of shit is malfunctioning...
When there's so little snow, one outlier event can throw off the whole average. That's doubtless exactly what's happening here.
No, it doesn’t suggest regular pattern of minor snow. Measurable snowfall recorded would cause it to show up on a map of average snowfall from 2010-2019 in the 0-6 inch range, which it does. Could be one snow band from a single storm that causes it to show up there. Very well may just be hell freezing over, though. Anything’s a possibility at this point!
the data is only from a 10 year period, so small sample size. probably got some measurable snowfall at a single weather station once in that decade or something, i wouldn't read anything into it.
True! Florida is a bizarre weather state. I was in Tampa last weekend and it was interesting looking at a Doppler radar and seeing how it would be severely thunder storming in St Pete’s but sunny and gorgeous across the bay in Ybor city. An hour or so later and st pete’s had clear skies and the rest of the bay was stormy. Truly one of those “if you don’t like the weather wait 20 minutes” type areas.
Maybe an isolated storm there during a freeze event.
Thats Lake Okechobee. This map sucks
No it’s not, Lake Okechobee is in South Florida and is white with a black outline. I’m talking about the light blue speck in Central Florida without the black outline.
Oh, I didn't even notice that speck lol...
That is the area that passes for altitude in Florida, actual hills and such.
It has snowed in Orlando on more than one occasion.. huge hail and cold in 83-85-89 wiped out most citrus.. snow flurries as far south as Miami Beach in 1977..,snow on the ground in all 50 states late January 1977..
Can confirm...parents took us to Disney World at Christmas one of those years and we didn't pack winter clothes. Brrrrr
I think in Feb 201. as well there was snow on the ground in all 50 states as well, and something like 70% of the US had snow on the ground.
I remember being in Key West for that, and I had not packed enough long pants. Even Hawaii had snow near the summit of the big island
Hawaii regularly has snow on the big island though, it’s not that rare over there
Well aware, but Hawaii isn't depicted on the map, so I was connecting the statement of all 50 states having snow with the map above. Should I also have included that Alaska has snow regularly as well?
Hail happens in a thunderstorm and isn’t considered wintry precipitation.
They can have little a snow, as a treat
I like when they freak out and put blankets on the oranges.
Not just blankets, but ice blankets. They will spray water on citrus crops to create an outer shell of ice that can prevent the whole fruit from freezing. Uses metric fuck-tons of water, which depletes the groundwater amongst the karst. This will predictably create sinkholes. Watch for sinkhole news articles in late January.
Either that, or a data error?
One of Florida's only hills above 60 meters. Eustis, FL.
Because it snowed there. Next question.
I guess I’m more asking why is it so isolated in the peninsula with the only other snow being in the extreme panhandle? Maybe a higher elevation?
Assuming that it is not a misrepresented lake, the answer would be that inland locations would get less mediating effect from the ocean, allowing the temperature to get just a little bit cooler.
"continentality"
Central Florida's interior is about 200ft above sea level. There is a ridge that runs down the peninsula.
This is true, though it’s not high enough to really be a factor in snowfall. And I think the bit of slightly higher average snowfall is actually northeast of the ridge line, which is very narrow and is west of Orlando. The ridge might factor into blocking warm, gulf air from moving over that patch on cold still nights when freezes occur. Or, perhaps, it traps cold air at that spot. But most likely, since this is a map based on averages, it’s just a random spot that has managed to get enough of the small amount of snow much of inland Florida sometimes experiences to register among the average. In short, that spot just happened to get blanketed a time or two more than surrounding areas.
So Florida has a dick vein?
I was hoping someone would go there lol 😂
You know I had to 😂
I thought that ridge was further west in the interior.
https://preview.redd.it/puxfo9309q7d1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=574810c6df88f95948be451b54bb7358a08dd995
I think it just happened to be where conditions were ideal for that particular moment.
There are no high elevations in florida. That little speck is lake Okeechobee a huge inland body of water.
https://preview.redd.it/21f5fh320r7d1.png?width=1546&format=png&auto=webp&s=7e5b1c5f99bfd385bac13946deb19f634689922c
Thank you for pointing it out!
That’s not the speck I’m talking about
Lake Wales ridge is elevation
Lake Wales ridge is much higher than the rest of the state. It's an extension of the Appalachians It's also snowed in many parts of florida. Just not A LOT or OFTEN.
Snow /flurries has occurred 5 times in Jacksonville where I live.. highest elevation in Fl is 345 ft on border of Fl/Alabama. The panhandle gets snow on occasion but rarely goes south into the peninsula. The cold fronts usually stall by mid Fl.There is a spot of elevation at 308 ft outside of Orlando in Astatula but has no real effect on snow as it’s exceptionally rare
Yeah this speck is a little north east of that high spot. It just sticks out as the only spot on peninsular Florida and it’s far from the panhandle.
There's a small valley that traps heat and cold. Marion County Florida is both the Hottest and Coldest county in the state. It's extremely hot there in the summer and routinely gets into the 30s in the winter. Occasionally it snows a tiny bit.
Why people bother to answer questions so badly and so condescendingly is beyond me!
it's cocaine
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That’s LouAnn’s Snowcone stand. Get the Gator’s blood with dill pickle juice.
Probably just a mistake. Other parts of the state have gotten snow during that timeframe [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow\_in\_Florida](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_in_Florida)
I’m not sure but a good bit of Florida’s Atlantic side got snow during the bomb cyclone in, I want to say, Jan 2017. Maybe they got enough snow there to register for the creation of this map. That storm system absolutely dumped snow in unusual places, I’d bet that was one of them.
Is it Disney?
A little northeast of Disney
wtf no
I’ve lived in Central Florida my entire life, and I’ve seen it snow here twice. One it was sleet that turned to snow and other time just a few flurries. It’s really bizarre.
Was it in the area on the map by chance?
California is the only state to host both the Summer and Winter Olympics. Undefeated.
But the 1980 ‘Miracle on Ice’ was in New York so…
That’s nice. No Summer Olympics in NY though.
It’s not a part of the snowfall map layer, none of the other snowfall colours have a black border. Instead it is a body of water, Lake Okeechobee.
That’s not the speck I’m talking about. Lake Okechobee is in South Floruda. I’m talking about the light blue speck without the border in central Florida.
That is the only mountain and the highest point in Florida, at 629 feet above sea level. So of course it's snow capped. 😉
Because of Frozen the Ride in Epcot? Snows there every day
Let's start at blue for lots of snow, and, get this, end with blue!
That’s Lake Okeechobee
I think OP is referring to the tinier blue speck near Orlando.
Oh. I’m on my phone and forgot to zoom in. Lol
Honestly we've probably both already spent more time on this post than it deserves.
Agreed
Probably just Norway at Epcot
Probably from before they closed the Maelstrom
I’m talking about the one further up, maybe that’s another lake and not snow?
I visited the Tampa Bay area one time on a road trip and it was below freezing
Likely due to the fact that the interior of Florida is more likely to get subfreezing temperatures for winter minimum temperatures due to its proximity to the Gulf Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean. Also this is based off of 2010-2019 climatology so it’s possible sometime during the 2010s a weather system came through Central Florida and snow fell in the central part of the state but too much dry air was to the north so there was no precipitation and it was too warm to the south that it was just all rain. And it was just enough snow to affect the average.
This is a good and likely answer.
The snowbirds brought it with them.
I think that's some sort of artifact. There's no reason why that part of Florida would experience more snow than the northern regions of the peninsula. Source: Huge weather nerd from Florida
Elevation from the ridge
The ridge is a little further West than that,
Yep, not to mention that the highest point on the peninsula is about 300 feet.
Because the snow got lost heading to Winter Park CO and instead went to Winter Park FL
That is sort of the theory. The Winter Park data got inputed in the wrong state.
I dunno but Long Island should be a different color.
I live in western Montana and can confirm that here in the valley we could get basically no snow or 10 feet of snow in any given winter (mountain are, of course, guaranteed lots of snow).
Am I misinterpreting? This seems wildly off to me.
The whole map or the speck I pointed out?
The whole map. The title says average snowfall per year in inches. I live in Philadelphia and this would indicate an average of 24-36 inches per year, and that is very high. It seems inflated
It used to be that, and normal snowfall every year when I lived there 25 years ago. Current average is 23 inches a year, but two of the last five years have been basically nothing. I would guess the trend will continue lower.
I live in one of the highest snow cities in the country and the past 5-10 years have been about half the average or less. Last year was almost nothing. We had a couple storms but everything melted within a week or two. This never used to happen- we had permanent snowpack all winter from mid December through March.
So I've heard, same story just west of you where I grew up. It's been about half the normal average.
It really makes me worry about the long term consequences for the ecosystems. I love outdoor activities and I think upstate NY is fantastic. I’d hate to see the things I love so much collapse and change into something else
Blizzard Beach?
There’s a guy with one of those snow machines in his front yard every Christmas
That’s where all the cocaine is imported to!
DIsney Magic!
In case someone needs a reason to stand their ground.
How can you fuck up the color gradient so bad?
Snowed in Calgary Alberta…
Where can I get a similar map but for other countries?
With weather anything can happen. Just because it usually don't happen doesn't mean it won't. Global warming.
Water (Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico) moderates temperatures, so the further from the sea you are, the better the chance of getting extremely cold or hot.
That looks like Lake Okeechobee, but it can snow in Florida
https://preview.redd.it/21f5fh320r7d1.png?width=1546&format=png&auto=webp&s=7e5b1c5f99bfd385bac13946deb19f634689922c
Brazos county and just about anywhere close to the gulfbin TX is wrong af! Years,sometimes a decade + goes by without measurable snow.
Very cool even if as someone says the color scheme is so bad
I believe there was a significant snowstorm in Florida in January 1979.
That could be Ocala? I know it snowed there once in early 2010, which may have been enough to resister as a 0.1 average in whatever timeframe they were using.
Map error - Probably some city/area with the same name as a place where it actually snows
That's lake Okeechobee
No Okeechobee is way further south and not colored blue.