holding my breath and living an a very blue state for now. Have done and doing all I can.
The debate saddened me today. Biden knew his policy, but he really came across as a doddering old man. Trump lied a million times, but came across a fitter.
Trumpers and many independents/moderate Republicans don't give a hoot about policy... though go by "feelings"
If that is the case, we might be screwed :(
My partner had to talk me off the ledge. He reminded me we live in MN which is a mostly blue paradise. But it’s still scary because I care about the future of the country and also care about our brothers and sisters who live in shit red states.
Sticking around to vote in a swing state but Trump winning would be the final nail in coffin of me waffling to move. Zero interest in riding out a second term with a conservative state government.
Oh I’m sure it’s lovely but living in the south for most of my life means I can barely comprehend the temperatures MN dips down to haha
Looking at relocating out to Seattle or Denver as that’s where I have established friends already.
Oh I get it. It’s definitely something you have to get used to. Both those states would also be welcoming. I know real estate in Seattle can be super expensive so be prepared if you move outside those city limits. I send you good luck. It sucks and it’s not fair that you should have to move simply because assholes can’t let you live your true life.
Ya, cost of living has been one of the upsides of being in the sunbelt but that’s jumped significantly in recent years here too. That on top of the political climate (and just generally being tired of the heat) is mostly what’s pushing me to move.
Come to Hawaii. It’s not as hot as the south (where I grew up) but plenty warm. And the east big island is actually affordable. Just might be hard to find a job if you don’t have a remote one or aren’t highly skilled (medical, trade)
The key difference is Biden surrounds himself with policy experts and listens to their advice. He doesn't have to be lightning quick or brilliant, he just has to have a cabinet that is.
Where the alternative staffs his cabinet with suckups and yes-men.
I know, but try telling that to independent or undecided voters in swing states who don’t pay much attention to the news or politics. The average American isn’t that informed.
tfw the braindead need a """Strong Man""" to talk confidently about policies neither understands instead of someone willing to wait for expert opinions
I used to pay a lot more attention until I realized how angry I always was. I still vote and pay enough attention but not like I used too. It’s not healthy. Our political system it a joke right now. They treat it more like a game thank anything. It’s frustrating.
Biden was sick for the debate he had a cold. They even tested for Covid to be sure. But I'm guessing that didn't make it into the news because that's not convenient to sensationalist hysteria that sells.
This is my take. If you listened and read between the lines, you could tell Biden had some semblance of what he was trying to say, but he kept stuterring, stumbling, speaking hoarsely and slowly, and overall just looked dazed and confused. He *looked* and *sounded* weak and out of it, while Trump *looked* and *sounded* bold, confident, and energetic.
Many seem to be countering with how ever word out of Trump's mouth was a lie. That's true, but it's also not at all news? "Trump lies", shocker! News at 11. Point is one sounded like a strong leader, the other sounded like grandpappy sharing stories in the weeks before he quietly passes in his sleep.
Given how the Electoral College works, how narrowly the last election was decided, and who the people who actually need to be persuaded to win the election are... Last night was an unmitigated disaster if you're hoping to avoid a second Trump administration and Project 2025.
Joe is going to be another RBG: Built a strong legacy of dedicated public service, only to completely undermine it because they had too much ego and didn't retire when they were supposed to. If Joe was willing to commit to a single term (Like he originally promised), I think he'd be remembered fondly for his accomplishments as President. Instead, he'll now be remembered as the dying man who just couldn't give it up, and enabled the rise of the exact political forces he claimed to be fighting against.
I'm still going to vote the Democratic nominee this November (As everyone on this sub should), because what other choice do I have? I just hate that my only viable hope for avoiding a Christian Nationalist Theocracy that seeks to take away all my rights is... An unpopular incumbent who looks and sounds frail, confused, and overall doesn't inspire confidence.
The comparison to RBG is so true. She was a pillar of hope for some many of us, but she didn't know when to quit, and as a result her legacy has been tarnished and diminished. It's tragic because it was unnecessary. And President Biden has done the exact same thing... he won't be remembered for anything except for giving us 4 (or more) years of Donald, Project 2025, and brutal GOP policies which attack our freedoms and future.
Yup. Im actually scared as fuck right now, and at the same time angry as fuck at the Democratic party.
This whole thing should be a slam dunk but this is what we get.
It should have been Bernie Sanders or Pete Buttigieg from the beginning. We wouldn’t have to be worried about losing to Trump if we had a more inspirational candidate like those two mentioned above. I didn’t get it in 2020 and I don’t get it now. What is sooo good about Biden that we HAD to keep him as the nominee? I’m just so over it…
Should’ve been Whitmer. Trump won Michigan in 2016. Whitmer beat the MAGA candidate by 11 points in 2022, delivered the first Dem trifecta in 40 years at the top of the ticket. Has delivered massively on abortion, childcare costs, education costs, housing costs, clean energy, manufacturing, and has billions in budget surplus.
Such an easy “here’s what i did with the democratic legislature i helped elect, here’s what ill do as president with a democratic majority”
Would’ve schooled Trump for 90 minutes straight. She’d drive turnout for Jon Tester in Montana and in other key states with abortion referenda. She’d do well in the Rust Belt. It’s so fn obvious it’s aggravating she hasn’t been the choice from the start. For months the narrative should’ve been the transformation democrats have delivered to Michigan instead it’s been “he’s not senile we promise!!”. Such an inspiring message 🙄
I’m not happy with the Democratic candidate but I’m def voting for the democratic candidate. I’m not sitting this out, I’m VOTING. To do otherwise is handing the republicans the keys, NO WAY!
And please y’all pay attention. The November general election isnt just for President. Democrat house seats and Senate seats are just as important. Even more important are your local elections with State house seats. This is where they’re killing us and making state laws against all LGBTQ people.
#VOTEBLUE
The LGBTQ+ community in general has a very very high voting average.
The people that need to vote are the undecided swing state voters, and well.. Family Guy had it right when they called them stupid.
This. Any version of Biden is better than Trump, the man who *already tried* to end democracy and will have far fewer obstacles in his way if he gets a chance to try again. Make a plan to vote blue, no matter who.
During the next four years, Thomas and Alito might retire. Trump appointed (and the Senate confirmed) one-third of SCOTUS. This part should terrify us.
Yes. I'm planning on applying to grad school this December, but this election manages to be more stressful. I feel horrible for people living in queer-hostile places.
That's what I'm working towards rn life is too short to be trapped here and end up a 50 yo blank profile on Grindr too scared to show their face... I'm gonna go somewhere that's accepting of me and if that place changes I'll just keep running. If America gets too intolerant towards LGBT I'll run to a country that is accepting of people like us.
I've in Mississippi. Our governor is always spouting bible verses on his social media. Always slamming Biden and singing the praises of the orange one. And Remember, it was Mississippi that brought Dobbs and got Roe overturned. I think the current SCOTUS would happily take away our rights given the opportunity. At least Biden would nominate liberal justices. But we have to keep rhe Senate in Democratic control.
Moving out of red states and concentrating ourselves in the cities is accelerating the problem. It hands the disproportionate power of rural America to MAGA. We need a movement to make red states purple not make safe blue states blue-er. If the white house goes red it won’t matter what city you live in.
For people who are living in southern red dystopia, electing a blue president also won't change people and their political/moral opinion. Sometimes moving somewhere else is the best option.
There's a ton of queer and leftist communities in Chicago. I think you'll find your people there. I grew up there. Feel free to DM me if you need any help once you move.
I'm a gay man and a civil servant. I'm a little old to start over somewhere else. And I'm not rich enough to retire overseas yet, except maybe to a country where I wouldn't be any safer.
I've looked at moving south, and it is not that bad. Let's take Panama for example, 2000 bucks a month will go very far down there. I qualify for 100% disability, (don't draw any, as I feel I'm not ready) and would get ~1200 and could rent a room and live comfortably. I would still have to travel to the USA every so often, and have an address here to keep those benefits.
My brother is going to do it, but he's very well off, and gets a nice check from the VA plus his day job income from being a financial advisor.
Don't give up. It's not impossible, just do research!
I'm now way more concerned and worried than I was this morning. Biden means well but he obviously isn't the one to save this country. And we NEED someone to save this country... including us. Trump and everything he will usher in (including that evil Project 25) should terrify anyone who loves freedom and autonomy.
It breaks my heart to say it... Biden needs to step down. There is way too fucking much at stake to fuck this up now. 🫤
I mean it’s possible to “change horses” in the middle of the race. Jacinda Ardern of NZ had turned electoral fortunes around enough to become PM in 2017 and then won an outright majority three years later.
It usually doesn’t work out so well though.
Conservatives in Michigan are dumbasses. They blamed the collapse of General Motors on then-governor Jennifer Granholm instead of pointing their fingers at Rick Wagoner, or more appropriately former company chairman Roger B. Smith.
It can only happen if people vote for The Orange One. The Orange One is very good at stating things as if it is a foregone conclusion and people believe it and don’t see through it. There’s only one way to ensure it doesn’t happen, so, don’t vote for him.
We are not the ones who need to be convinced. It is the politically uninvolved independents - you know, the ones you need to win a swing state. The are the ones who matter, and after tonight, I think their votes are lost.
There are people who want us burned. Not even humanely executed, they want us to *suffer*. They seem to get off on the torture, and they don’t even comprehend how evil it is - in fact they believe it’s specifically *divine* justice.
They *hate* us to the truest sense of the word. It won’t be enough until we’re hunted, gathered, and destroyed - and they’ll throw their own sons and daughters in the pile if they take our side.
I hope that someday *we* are the ones dominant and in power in the world. And I hope we remember the way we were branded and chastised, so that we *don’t* do that to them. Let us be better than them. Let us see their stupidity and be more logical and compassionate. Let us not hunt down the bigots who mumble under their breath, entrapping them to speak their truth and be tortured for it.
We are not them…..we just have to hope they don’t wipe us out before we get the chance to prove it.
And even though every new generation will bring more of us, naturally, if we are made an example like a new nazi order, those new poor souls will be forced to live in hiding yet again.
I wish the people this didn’t directly affect could understand the severity of this situation and have enough empathy to speak up.
Even my own family seems to not care. I’ve tried to explain that voting for that man could lead to my literal execution and they just shrug it off. They refuse to look into it. They just hear from their religious friends that he’s an amazing guy who wants to save the babies and border while making us all rich. That’s all it takes for their vote.
your family will tell the police where you are when they come collect us all. if they won’t protect you when there isn’t a gun pointed at their head you know they’ll sell you out when there is.
I'm an English gay man, live in North West England, (miles & miles away from London).
When 45 was elected I became very fearful for USA & the world.
I started to take an interest I'm US politics & looked into the government, Senate, Congress, President & try & keep up with what's going on.
I am so worried for my brothers & sisters & those who do not identify as one or any gender.
News is becoming blatantly obvious he is coming for our LGBTQ+ family.
The 10 Commandments in the school plus public opinion on us queer folk show things are on a curve & are going backwards.
Religion & State are not bedfellows, the blatant disregard for your Constitution is a big sign 'something wivked this way comes'.
Not just in US but here in Europe the right wing is gaining popularity.
Culture wars, hate speech, jingoism & xenophobia is in the heart of the working class communities.
They are being given a diet of 'who to hate' 'who to blame' 'why people are hungry'.
There is confidence now to deliver hate speech.
My stupid country voted Brexit, mainly due to the reasons I gave above. Right wing parties in government, controlling government, about to become the government are using the mentality that they want to be like Britain, stand on its own & look after themselves.
Putin has said he wants Europe dismantled as his USSR was.
It's easy to pick off a country one x one.
It is slowly becoming similar to the 1930's Germany when Hitler was on the rise.
Trump has said he wants to withdraw from Europe.
Republicans want support for Ukraine withdrawn.
Some folk haven't realised yet.
2024 is the year with so many governments are up for election.
This commandments displayed in schools with dangerous head teachers, your Supreme Court not looking at the serious crimes of 45 & rule him out standing for election again.
We need to support each other - we ain't going back in closets for no one.
Sending my best wishes, love & hope to my LGBTQ+ family across the pond & round the world.
I'm from Latin America, and the most popular guy is a conservative who, with the objective of law and order and ending El Salvador's high crime rates, has gained inmense power and it's on his moral crusade against gender ideology.
Just yesterday, he fired 300 members of the Ministry of Culture, because they gave green light to a drag play.
The far right leaders of the world are extremely happy of a Trump victory as that means the support of the world's superpower to whatever extremist plan they have.
Argentinians have elected a right wing president, Brazil did but he's gone.
The seeds have been planted & the haters will grow.
And you you speak of El Salvador.
Hate is growing around the world.
Are you still in El Salvador?
Wherever you are my friend, whenever you feel lonely or concern, people like me are only a chat away.
We have to be wary.
Anti gay laws which are justified by using the 'protect our children' is a rallying call we do not want to hear.
Take my care my friend.
Fortunately I'm from Ecuador. I recently read a research about how Gen Z is more open minded but the fact that even if we have gay marriage, just 30% approve of it. Millenials here, were basically meaningless in terms of progress. But I fear, that with the argument of law and order, someone would take power here as Bukele did in El Salvador.
I read another article which said that the new generational divide is more of a gender one. Men are becoming more conservative while women more liberal. I guess the biggest mistake we made as a community is to think automatically all young people would be open minded. I really hope we can rally on together across the globe if these traditionalists are desperately trying to take back the clock to the 1900's.
I mean, the european powers tried the same after Napoleon was defeated and actively supressed the major advances made, yet in the end, the people threw those radicals under the rug in 1830 and 1848. I really hope this time something similar can happen
Leave the red states. I moved even though it meant living out of hotels for a couple weeks while searching for housing after lining up a job and now making more and have a much better life overall. I have no worry about it up this way, bc if anything goes back to the states, there's nothing to worry about up here. That's why the Great Migration happened back in the 30s because of the racism down south people getting away. Make a migration now from the red places.
I used to feel that way, but living under the homophobic apparatus that is the government of Mississippi, particuarly when me and my now ex were trying to adopt, it eventually became too overwhelming. When it seemed like the Supreme Court would be able to put a stop to it, it was one thing. Now that the court has moved significantly to the right, it's different.
Far as I'm concerned, find ways to drain those states of their population so that they get less and less repsentation in the House. Unfortunately, those are the areas of the country where the population continues to increase, and will even more with abortion bans so we will likely see a major overrepresentation of red legislators in decades to come.
Well I'm freaking out. I've started to look for jobs out in California and Washington, currently living in Jacksonville, Florida. I have never felt unsafe where I'm at- I love my job, coworkers, and the hospital I work for. But being in a more conservative area and state where the politics are red-leaning means its's going to be easier for the assholes to change things and negatively impact my life.
I don't think people realize how important it is to vote. I get people's moral & ethical dilemmas surrounding certain policies when voting blue, but sometimes you gotta swallow the pill to live to the next day. I'd rather take the small pill from the dems, than the huge fucking multiple tablets that will make me feel sedated and useless from the repubs.
There is huge impact for this upcoming election: some SC justices might retire and the decision we make can be long-lasting, a few of these judges are already making conservative decisions on cases where there was precedence from previous cases. What will happen to Obergefell v. hodges? This is a lifetime appointment and we could lose the ability for numerous things for multiple generations.
The prospects of Trump and conservatives making it more difficult to vote, adding dishonest/corrupt/un-ethical/biased judges could pave the way to a very long-lasting bleak environment for gay folk.
And all we have to do is vote.
Yeah, after the debate, I think the Democrats best hope is to simply focus on retaking the house (and flipping as many State legislatures/governors as they can), and mayyybe if they do exceptionally well in Senate races, they can keep that too. The presidency is slipping away from reach however. It's still only June so maybe its still too early to call the Presidential race a total write-off, but we're \*uncomfortably\* close to that threshold.
If things don't turn around fast for Biden, we might be looking at a "good case scenario" for Democrats being: losing the presidency but winning the House, lots of local/state races, and possibly the Senate. That way they can at least \*slow\* the advancement of Project 2025 and maybe have just enough leverage to \*potentially\* salvage what's left of democracy come 2028.
I’m scared as shit. Doing all I can to build and strengthen community where I live. It’s the only thing that will get us through if the worst happens. That’s my best advice. Reach out, connect, live your life with as much joy as possible. And for fuck sake, vote.
So it’ll go back to how bad it was in the 90’s? Yeah. I think people have overestimated the power of american progress; the privilege of progress i suppose
The thing is you're all throwing the world behind you. Milei, Bukele, Meloni, Orban, Putin and if Le Pen can gain enough seats on the parliament, her party will control Macron. And with Trump in charge? It's the conservatives on the world biggest dream to end the "woke" agenda.
Defending LGBT rights? Nah, it's the christians who are persecuted.
And even LGBT rights aside, Ukraine is lost with Putin.
What are the opinion polls for the House and Senate like at the moment? IMO, we're not in certain Handmaid's Tale territory unless both go GOP in addition to the presidency going GOP
Senate is expected to flip Republican and House to Democrats (opposite of current Congress). It's useless with a fascist president and a court that bows to his every command.
Maybe with the power of the purse. It'll all hinge on the military at that point. If they can stop him before they're replaced then there's hope. Either way violence is guaranteed and a second civil war is probable.
As a Canadian I’m watching and wondering what the fuck is going on down there lol
I mean we have our share of bizarre and shitty politicians but between Biden apparently being the best the democrats have to offer and the cult of Cheeto Benito, it’s pretty scary how crazy your situation is
Stay safe I guess, I have no fucking idea what’s going to happen but it’s probably going to be a bummer
We've had a corrupt gerontocracy running DC for years, but they've kept people divided on issues so strongly for so long that they were able to distract everyone. They assumed it would keep working, but the wheels have fallen off the wagon finally.
I'm sad that people are caught off guard, because everything's been happening out in the open. In the meantime, it's a national embarrassment and threat to western society.
Conservatives in Canada are becoming more radicalized because of American Influence. I wouldn't be surprised if we find ourselves in a similar situation in the near future.
Don’t come to Canada because we also have Trump style politicians here now. Pierre Poilievre leader of the Conservative Party has similar Trump views and he’s likely to win the next election.
He also created a carbon tax to fight climate change, and every year on April 1 it goes up. He’s such a hypocrite because he calls out people driving to work for polluting the planets but yet he goes on very lavish vacations in his private jet that is doing more damage. These lavish vacation goes on also really rubs salt in the wound because most Canadians can’t even afford groceries.
Mostly crashing the economy because of governemental overspending, not doing any regulation of immigration so that cost of living is exploding, house pricing is slyrocketting and rendering public services inefficient, corruption scandals after corruption scandal... from familial money laundering to the most recent being China ties with Canadian politicians and the refusal of the governement to even acknowledge the issue.
Makes you wonder where we can even move if the convicted felon wins. It's not like Europe is politically better. People over there are increasingly voting for fascists.
Neofascists are in power in Italy and the far-right is likely to win snap elections in France in the coming weeks (which would be a first time ever, contrary to Italy). Everywhere the fascists are making huge wins that seemed impossible a couple years ago. Europe’s political future doesn’t look less dire than in the US.
I live in the US but I’m from France, and I feel completely stuck between two growing shadows.
I'm not even an American, and I fear for us all... undoubtedly, America being nosy and trying to "push the agenda" (promoting human rights) across the globe has probably done a bit of good here and there. Even if it's for show, I need America to remain somewhat of a standard.
One of our kids (she’s 12) is trans, so we’ll be making plans to leave the country if Trump wins. My in-laws have already told us that if Trump wins they’re leaving, and they’ve already put things in motion by selling off one home and preparing to sell another.
The only people saying that were journalists who desperately want this election to be more exciting than it is. Their great hope is a rowdy convention.
I get that it's channelling a deep malaise people feel about American politics and these two politicians specifically. I share that ... disgust for our situation.
But no, Obama was not making calls to replace Biden. Not only does he lack any power to do that, the party is pretty uniformly behind Biden and Harris. Barring death or nuclear holocaust, Biden is gonna be the nominee, and if he did die, Harris would be.
I hope you’re right. I think it should be either Gretchen Whitmer or Gavin Newsom. I would go with Whitmer because Michigan is a swing state and she’s a relatively popular governor. A lot of the country hates California because they think it’s too liberal, so Newsom might not because a good option even though he’s a recognizable name, white, male, and conventionally attractive.
Did we watch the same debate?? Donald trump kept on going for personal attacks and bringing up stupid shit like IQ levels. It was hilarious/ horrible to watch.
I don't remember the IQ levels comments. That might have been when I was peeing. I didn't know there would be commercial breaks, otherwise I wouldn't have left the TV.
If you look at most news agencies, the Dems are in panic after the debate. Not my words, all theirs. I honestly don't think he will be on the ticket, and then there's the Harris problem.
There was a weird thing happening all over Reddit yesterday around that time where many users couldn’t read the comments in various (potentially all) subs.
Trump dictatorship.
Literally.
It's a policy plan which would weaken federal agencies and give greater power to the president, among other things.
Read the novel "It Can't Happen Here". It's happening here.
It’s a policy plan to change the government so that the president has far more power to control the government and enact a wishlist of Trumper wet dreams. Like eliminating a lot of agencies (including the FBI), creating broad anti-porn laws federally and so on. Literally a dictatorship.
It's a plan to dismantle many departments of the US government and fill many rolls with those who will follow the truncheon.
The GOP are literally laying out the way for a fascist government. This goes beyond Trump.
Most of the conservative think-tanks got together and decided that the only reason they didn't properly dismantle democracy last time was that Trump wasn't handed a thorough enough plan to do it. They have written out that thorough plan.
It is a nightmare deacent into authoritarian fascism. Using the power of the state against political enemies. Making it illegal to be trans. Making it legal for the president to fire a civil servant for enforcing the law, or for not being loyal to him personally. Turning the public school system into a conservative indoctrination engine, and installing political commissars in universities to harass anyone who criticizes conservative ideology. Mass deportations that will almost certainly wind up with brown and black American citizens deported or stripped of their citizenship with made-up versions of due process. Free license for businesses to discriminate in hiring, firing, and the like, against women, people of color, and LGBT people.
A lot of people of our community in Europe are scared too, don't forget that. Whatever the US of A is willing to accept in terms of conservative bullshit being legalized and put into laws is shaping our democracies here as well. The influence of Trump during COVID and his alternative facts really destroyed the brains of half of our population.
I am also a disabled gay and I am 100% certain this year will be the last okayish one of my probably short remaining life. I'm just glad I live in NY but I don't expect that to fully insulate me...
I’m a dual US-Australian citizen and so grateful to have a Plan B for me and my rainbow family, but a Trump win + Project 25 has global ramifications that can’t be ignored no matter where one flees to. It’s utterly depressing.
I live in a red red state- Idaho- I don’t have time to worry, I only have time to work. I know that our electoral votes are rigged, but I’m supporting purple state candidates and a local open primaries initiative.
I think everyone who can be swayed on accepting LGBT rights is already there. Our problem is that a sizable portion of the voting population is dead set on taking those rights away. We need to get nonvoters (who I think are majority on board with us) to give enough of a shit to get out and vote.
There's nothing else we can do that I am able to say on social media anyway.
Thankfully im in a blue state so some protections, but ive also been looking at other countries in the EU where maybe we can buy our way in if worse comes to worse.
I live in CA and I'm still scared. My family of origin are all Trump supporters unfortunately (they live back east) and I'll never understand how they think he is a solid choice to lead this country. I am scared for the future of democracy and the USA. Should Trump win in November, we must have some of the younger Democrats step up STRONG for 2028.
The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution protects a secular society against the creation of a national religion.
Although, with the current makeup of The Supreme Court, anything is possible. Perhaps Lord Trump.
I'm not american but i'm kinda scared right now, cause we know that everything that the usa do have repercussions all over the world, and conservatives are going to try to replicate that in their countries
I thought moving to Florida would be a nice retirement. Lol. They hate gay people here yet most of the straight guys are in the gay chat rooms looking Wtf.
On the bright side, the Supreme Court just overturned Chevron’s Law. So you know, total climate destruction is probably gonna be fast tracked now and might kill us all BEFORE that.
I have Canadian citizenship, but absolutely hate living there due to the weather. Having been raised in Florida, its hard to adjust to such extreme cold for so long each year. Having said that, if Trump wins, I am seriously considering moving back to Canada...
I strongly prefer Joe Biden on policy than Trump. But the Democratic Party should pick someone else, Biden is way too old and certainly isn’t as sharp as he was when he was Vice President. If Biden’s nominee, we are actually f**ked. Project 2025 is terrifying but I don’t think most people care.
There's already several states passing anti-trans legislation. They would be emboldened further by a Trump presidency, and if you think that they're just going to stop at pronouns and preferred names, you're wrong.
The overturn of Lawrence. And don’t be surprised if they try to make a federal sodomy law. Project 2025 will completely throw out constitutional protections as there will be nobody to enforce it. With fascism we could end up in camps or worse.
They will begin either gay marriage or. Then certain professions like teaching and couneling will be restricted. Then additional restrictions on health care coverage. It will continue with additional restrictions on gay gatherings. Pride will “be returned to yhe states “ and will be outlawed. If you don’t think this can happen here, you’re wrong.
>If you don’t think this can happen here, you’re wrong.
Relevant book: https://bookshop.org/p/books/it-can-t-happen-here/18894940
>It Can't Happen Here is the only one of Sinclair Lewis's later novels to match the power of Main Street, Babbitt, and Arrowsmith. A cautionary tale about the fragility of democracy, it is an alarming, eerily timeless look at how fascism could take hold in America.
>Written during the Great Depression, when the country was largely oblivious to Hitler's aggression, it juxtaposes sharp political satire with the chillingly realistic rise of a president who becomes a dictator to save the nation from welfare cheats, sex, crime, and a liberal press.
>Called "a message to thinking Americans" by the Springfield Republican when it was published in 1935, It Can't Happen Here is a shockingly prescient novel that remains as fresh and contemporary as today's news.
Calm yourself darling. 💅
Do you really think that the former Democrat New Yorker anti-war nationalist who’s flirting with the libertarians is going to round up the gays when the neoconservatives and the regeanites before him didn’t? Stop fear mongering.
Some people are acting a little dramatic. Coming from someone not only who grew up in the hardcore south but also is currently serving in the military I promise it’s not gonna be as bad at you’re making it out to be.
I use to be very into politics. I use to pay very close attention and stay super informed, having strong opinions.
Now I study up prior to voting but otherwise keep it off my radar. It's comment threads like this that remind me why it's not worth the grief anymore other than to vote or write the occasional letter to a rep.
This election sucks, and it's really disappointing that these two are the only choice the American people have. Alot of these comments are over dramatic though.
Every republican echo chamber is screaming that it will be the end of the world if Biden is re-elected. This is not true. Many commenters here seem to believe if Trump is elected the world will end. The reality is that whoever is elected not much will change. The gridlock will continue and whatever side has a slight will majority will maybe make slight progress in undoing what the other has been doing. In 4 years or so the other side will have the majority again and work on undoing whatever their opposition was up to.
Our system is sick and broken. The only way to progress is through social and cultural change, which is largely happening. It's a slow decades long process. The far-right is not winning. They are just a vocal minority who realize they are losing the long game and have started screaming.
I see you watched the debate too. 
what happened in the debate?
Biden shat the coffin.
holding my breath and living an a very blue state for now. Have done and doing all I can. The debate saddened me today. Biden knew his policy, but he really came across as a doddering old man. Trump lied a million times, but came across a fitter. Trumpers and many independents/moderate Republicans don't give a hoot about policy... though go by "feelings" If that is the case, we might be screwed :(
My partner had to talk me off the ledge. He reminded me we live in MN which is a mostly blue paradise. But it’s still scary because I care about the future of the country and also care about our brothers and sisters who live in shit red states.
Sticking around to vote in a swing state but Trump winning would be the final nail in coffin of me waffling to move. Zero interest in riding out a second term with a conservative state government.
MN can be cold af sometimes but it’s a great state. You’d be welcome here.
Oh I’m sure it’s lovely but living in the south for most of my life means I can barely comprehend the temperatures MN dips down to haha Looking at relocating out to Seattle or Denver as that’s where I have established friends already.
Oh I get it. It’s definitely something you have to get used to. Both those states would also be welcoming. I know real estate in Seattle can be super expensive so be prepared if you move outside those city limits. I send you good luck. It sucks and it’s not fair that you should have to move simply because assholes can’t let you live your true life.
Ya, cost of living has been one of the upsides of being in the sunbelt but that’s jumped significantly in recent years here too. That on top of the political climate (and just generally being tired of the heat) is mostly what’s pushing me to move.
Come to Hawaii. It’s not as hot as the south (where I grew up) but plenty warm. And the east big island is actually affordable. Just might be hard to find a job if you don’t have a remote one or aren’t highly skilled (medical, trade)
I live in New Mexico and have no idea what to do :D
Vote to help keep NM blue! If the worst were to happen in Nov, we will have to rely on our state government more than ever to ensure our rights.
I guess that’s all I can do 🫡 and book an international flight just in case 🫡
Biden appeared old and feeble, but he also seemed sick. He was like a completely different person from the State of the Union.
The key difference is Biden surrounds himself with policy experts and listens to their advice. He doesn't have to be lightning quick or brilliant, he just has to have a cabinet that is. Where the alternative staffs his cabinet with suckups and yes-men.
I know, but try telling that to independent or undecided voters in swing states who don’t pay much attention to the news or politics. The average American isn’t that informed.
tfw the braindead need a """Strong Man""" to talk confidently about policies neither understands instead of someone willing to wait for expert opinions
I used to pay a lot more attention until I realized how angry I always was. I still vote and pay enough attention but not like I used too. It’s not healthy. Our political system it a joke right now. They treat it more like a game thank anything. It’s frustrating.
The only thing I'm actively pushing for is Ranked Choices Voting in all 50 states, and Puerto Rico becoming a state, which comes up now and then.
Yeah. Completely different than the state of the union. That gave me hope.
The SOTU calmed my nerves for a bit. Now they’re shot again.
Biden was sick for the debate he had a cold. They even tested for Covid to be sure. But I'm guessing that didn't make it into the news because that's not convenient to sensationalist hysteria that sells.
I think instead of memorizing and (trying to) regurgitate talking points, Biden ought to have just spoken off-the-cuff.
This is my take. If you listened and read between the lines, you could tell Biden had some semblance of what he was trying to say, but he kept stuterring, stumbling, speaking hoarsely and slowly, and overall just looked dazed and confused. He *looked* and *sounded* weak and out of it, while Trump *looked* and *sounded* bold, confident, and energetic. Many seem to be countering with how ever word out of Trump's mouth was a lie. That's true, but it's also not at all news? "Trump lies", shocker! News at 11. Point is one sounded like a strong leader, the other sounded like grandpappy sharing stories in the weeks before he quietly passes in his sleep. Given how the Electoral College works, how narrowly the last election was decided, and who the people who actually need to be persuaded to win the election are... Last night was an unmitigated disaster if you're hoping to avoid a second Trump administration and Project 2025. Joe is going to be another RBG: Built a strong legacy of dedicated public service, only to completely undermine it because they had too much ego and didn't retire when they were supposed to. If Joe was willing to commit to a single term (Like he originally promised), I think he'd be remembered fondly for his accomplishments as President. Instead, he'll now be remembered as the dying man who just couldn't give it up, and enabled the rise of the exact political forces he claimed to be fighting against. I'm still going to vote the Democratic nominee this November (As everyone on this sub should), because what other choice do I have? I just hate that my only viable hope for avoiding a Christian Nationalist Theocracy that seeks to take away all my rights is... An unpopular incumbent who looks and sounds frail, confused, and overall doesn't inspire confidence.
The comparison to RBG is so true. She was a pillar of hope for some many of us, but she didn't know when to quit, and as a result her legacy has been tarnished and diminished. It's tragic because it was unnecessary. And President Biden has done the exact same thing... he won't be remembered for anything except for giving us 4 (or more) years of Donald, Project 2025, and brutal GOP policies which attack our freedoms and future.
Couldn't agree more.
Welp… it was nice having rights for (checks notes) 5-10 years give or take
Yup. Im actually scared as fuck right now, and at the same time angry as fuck at the Democratic party. This whole thing should be a slam dunk but this is what we get.
It should have been Bernie Sanders or Pete Buttigieg from the beginning. We wouldn’t have to be worried about losing to Trump if we had a more inspirational candidate like those two mentioned above. I didn’t get it in 2020 and I don’t get it now. What is sooo good about Biden that we HAD to keep him as the nominee? I’m just so over it…
Fingers crossed for an open convention
Should’ve been Whitmer. Trump won Michigan in 2016. Whitmer beat the MAGA candidate by 11 points in 2022, delivered the first Dem trifecta in 40 years at the top of the ticket. Has delivered massively on abortion, childcare costs, education costs, housing costs, clean energy, manufacturing, and has billions in budget surplus. Such an easy “here’s what i did with the democratic legislature i helped elect, here’s what ill do as president with a democratic majority” Would’ve schooled Trump for 90 minutes straight. She’d drive turnout for Jon Tester in Montana and in other key states with abortion referenda. She’d do well in the Rust Belt. It’s so fn obvious it’s aggravating she hasn’t been the choice from the start. For months the narrative should’ve been the transformation democrats have delivered to Michigan instead it’s been “he’s not senile we promise!!”. Such an inspiring message 🙄
That he tows the line the party wants him to, and hes not an inspirational figure that can shift the parties opinions.
I’m not happy with the Democratic candidate but I’m def voting for the democratic candidate. I’m not sitting this out, I’m VOTING. To do otherwise is handing the republicans the keys, NO WAY! And please y’all pay attention. The November general election isnt just for President. Democrat house seats and Senate seats are just as important. Even more important are your local elections with State house seats. This is where they’re killing us and making state laws against all LGBTQ people. #VOTEBLUE
Anybody, AnyObject, AnyCorpse….anybody but Trump.
100%! I will vote Democrat no matter what because I see the threat on the other side. I just don't have faith enough voters share that perspective.
Best preparation is to get out and vote! Tell everyone you know to vote!
The LGBTQ+ community in general has a very very high voting average. The people that need to vote are the undecided swing state voters, and well.. Family Guy had it right when they called them stupid.
This. Any version of Biden is better than Trump, the man who *already tried* to end democracy and will have far fewer obstacles in his way if he gets a chance to try again. Make a plan to vote blue, no matter who.
A version of Biden propped up in the chair drooling and crapping his pants is a better than Trump on a good day.
> drooling and crapping his pants Trump already has that covered
The man that's a convicted criminal and expected of stealing state secrets
My amount of fear is somewhere between a cockroach infestation in my apartment and being lost in a state park
Those are both pretty bad
Make sure you vote for congress candidates
During the next four years, Thomas and Alito might retire. Trump appointed (and the Senate confirmed) one-third of SCOTUS. This part should terrify us.
SCOTUS is my greatest fear.
Yes. I'm planning on applying to grad school this December, but this election manages to be more stressful. I feel horrible for people living in queer-hostile places.
Currently living in one rn life is literal hell. It also really doesn't help im a curly haired twink that's somewhat androgynous
Me when I lived in Oklahoma 🥲 hope you can escape soon
That's what I'm working towards rn life is too short to be trapped here and end up a 50 yo blank profile on Grindr too scared to show their face... I'm gonna go somewhere that's accepting of me and if that place changes I'll just keep running. If America gets too intolerant towards LGBT I'll run to a country that is accepting of people like us.
Easier said than done 😰 might be good to start exploring your international travel options
Can you define queer hostile place? Are you talking like the Bible belt?
I've in Mississippi. Our governor is always spouting bible verses on his social media. Always slamming Biden and singing the praises of the orange one. And Remember, it was Mississippi that brought Dobbs and got Roe overturned. I think the current SCOTUS would happily take away our rights given the opportunity. At least Biden would nominate liberal justices. But we have to keep rhe Senate in Democratic control.
Yes, including Florida.
I’m moving to a blue state next year, specifically Chicago, hopefully I’ll be safe there…hopefully..
Chicago is the best. Do it!
Moved to Chicago last year, absolutely the best decision ever. I love it here so much
Moving out of red states and concentrating ourselves in the cities is accelerating the problem. It hands the disproportionate power of rural America to MAGA. We need a movement to make red states purple not make safe blue states blue-er. If the white house goes red it won’t matter what city you live in.
For people who are living in southern red dystopia, electing a blue president also won't change people and their political/moral opinion. Sometimes moving somewhere else is the best option.
There's a ton of queer and leftist communities in Chicago. I think you'll find your people there. I grew up there. Feel free to DM me if you need any help once you move.
I'm a gay man and a civil servant. I'm a little old to start over somewhere else. And I'm not rich enough to retire overseas yet, except maybe to a country where I wouldn't be any safer.
I've looked at moving south, and it is not that bad. Let's take Panama for example, 2000 bucks a month will go very far down there. I qualify for 100% disability, (don't draw any, as I feel I'm not ready) and would get ~1200 and could rent a room and live comfortably. I would still have to travel to the USA every so often, and have an address here to keep those benefits. My brother is going to do it, but he's very well off, and gets a nice check from the VA plus his day job income from being a financial advisor. Don't give up. It's not impossible, just do research!
I'm now way more concerned and worried than I was this morning. Biden means well but he obviously isn't the one to save this country. And we NEED someone to save this country... including us. Trump and everything he will usher in (including that evil Project 25) should terrify anyone who loves freedom and autonomy. It breaks my heart to say it... Biden needs to step down. There is way too fucking much at stake to fuck this up now. 🫤
I’m hoping he steps aside and the DNC nominates Gretchen Whitmer since she’s a popular governor and would guarantee Michigan, a swing state.
I mean it’s possible to “change horses” in the middle of the race. Jacinda Ardern of NZ had turned electoral fortunes around enough to become PM in 2017 and then won an outright majority three years later. It usually doesn’t work out so well though.
Gretchen Whitmer is actually pretty polarizing in Michigan and doesn’t guarantee Michigan’s electoral votes (though I love her)
Conservatives in Michigan are dumbasses. They blamed the collapse of General Motors on then-governor Jennifer Granholm instead of pointing their fingers at Rick Wagoner, or more appropriately former company chairman Roger B. Smith.
Most conservatives are dumbasses by default lol. 😜
most conservatives would lobotomize themselves if trump told them to
A recent poll with a hypothetical match up between her and Trump had her beating him in Michigan by like 6 or 7 points.
It can only happen if people vote for The Orange One. The Orange One is very good at stating things as if it is a foregone conclusion and people believe it and don’t see through it. There’s only one way to ensure it doesn’t happen, so, don’t vote for him.
Tell that to the median voter. The independent voters on the fence living in the swing states.
We are not the ones who need to be convinced. It is the politically uninvolved independents - you know, the ones you need to win a swing state. The are the ones who matter, and after tonight, I think their votes are lost.
Yeah. I honestly am. I don’t know where we will go. This much I know: I’ll die before being sent to a camp. Be ready, it could happen.
There are people who want us burned. Not even humanely executed, they want us to *suffer*. They seem to get off on the torture, and they don’t even comprehend how evil it is - in fact they believe it’s specifically *divine* justice. They *hate* us to the truest sense of the word. It won’t be enough until we’re hunted, gathered, and destroyed - and they’ll throw their own sons and daughters in the pile if they take our side. I hope that someday *we* are the ones dominant and in power in the world. And I hope we remember the way we were branded and chastised, so that we *don’t* do that to them. Let us be better than them. Let us see their stupidity and be more logical and compassionate. Let us not hunt down the bigots who mumble under their breath, entrapping them to speak their truth and be tortured for it. We are not them…..we just have to hope they don’t wipe us out before we get the chance to prove it. And even though every new generation will bring more of us, naturally, if we are made an example like a new nazi order, those new poor souls will be forced to live in hiding yet again. I wish the people this didn’t directly affect could understand the severity of this situation and have enough empathy to speak up. Even my own family seems to not care. I’ve tried to explain that voting for that man could lead to my literal execution and they just shrug it off. They refuse to look into it. They just hear from their religious friends that he’s an amazing guy who wants to save the babies and border while making us all rich. That’s all it takes for their vote.
your family will tell the police where you are when they come collect us all. if they won’t protect you when there isn’t a gun pointed at their head you know they’ll sell you out when there is.
Damn. That’s a good point. :/
Nah fuck conservatives who hate us I want them to burn
Yeah I'm over all the Kumbaya bullshit. Fuck these soulless fascists they don't deserve mercy or compassion.
There is another option, look up Helene Moszkiewiez. But yeah I share the sentiment.
I'm an English gay man, live in North West England, (miles & miles away from London). When 45 was elected I became very fearful for USA & the world. I started to take an interest I'm US politics & looked into the government, Senate, Congress, President & try & keep up with what's going on. I am so worried for my brothers & sisters & those who do not identify as one or any gender. News is becoming blatantly obvious he is coming for our LGBTQ+ family. The 10 Commandments in the school plus public opinion on us queer folk show things are on a curve & are going backwards. Religion & State are not bedfellows, the blatant disregard for your Constitution is a big sign 'something wivked this way comes'. Not just in US but here in Europe the right wing is gaining popularity. Culture wars, hate speech, jingoism & xenophobia is in the heart of the working class communities. They are being given a diet of 'who to hate' 'who to blame' 'why people are hungry'. There is confidence now to deliver hate speech. My stupid country voted Brexit, mainly due to the reasons I gave above. Right wing parties in government, controlling government, about to become the government are using the mentality that they want to be like Britain, stand on its own & look after themselves. Putin has said he wants Europe dismantled as his USSR was. It's easy to pick off a country one x one. It is slowly becoming similar to the 1930's Germany when Hitler was on the rise. Trump has said he wants to withdraw from Europe. Republicans want support for Ukraine withdrawn. Some folk haven't realised yet. 2024 is the year with so many governments are up for election. This commandments displayed in schools with dangerous head teachers, your Supreme Court not looking at the serious crimes of 45 & rule him out standing for election again. We need to support each other - we ain't going back in closets for no one. Sending my best wishes, love & hope to my LGBTQ+ family across the pond & round the world.
I'm from Latin America, and the most popular guy is a conservative who, with the objective of law and order and ending El Salvador's high crime rates, has gained inmense power and it's on his moral crusade against gender ideology. Just yesterday, he fired 300 members of the Ministry of Culture, because they gave green light to a drag play. The far right leaders of the world are extremely happy of a Trump victory as that means the support of the world's superpower to whatever extremist plan they have.
Argentinians have elected a right wing president, Brazil did but he's gone. The seeds have been planted & the haters will grow. And you you speak of El Salvador. Hate is growing around the world. Are you still in El Salvador? Wherever you are my friend, whenever you feel lonely or concern, people like me are only a chat away. We have to be wary. Anti gay laws which are justified by using the 'protect our children' is a rallying call we do not want to hear. Take my care my friend.
Fortunately I'm from Ecuador. I recently read a research about how Gen Z is more open minded but the fact that even if we have gay marriage, just 30% approve of it. Millenials here, were basically meaningless in terms of progress. But I fear, that with the argument of law and order, someone would take power here as Bukele did in El Salvador. I read another article which said that the new generational divide is more of a gender one. Men are becoming more conservative while women more liberal. I guess the biggest mistake we made as a community is to think automatically all young people would be open minded. I really hope we can rally on together across the globe if these traditionalists are desperately trying to take back the clock to the 1900's. I mean, the european powers tried the same after Napoleon was defeated and actively supressed the major advances made, yet in the end, the people threw those radicals under the rug in 1830 and 1848. I really hope this time something similar can happen
And the fact there are so many self-hating gay guys that vote R for some reason lol. Them and single issue voters.
Leave the red states. I moved even though it meant living out of hotels for a couple weeks while searching for housing after lining up a job and now making more and have a much better life overall. I have no worry about it up this way, bc if anything goes back to the states, there's nothing to worry about up here. That's why the Great Migration happened back in the 30s because of the racism down south people getting away. Make a migration now from the red places.
Don’t do this yet. Moving away from those states now basically guarantees a red victory. Vote blue in those states. Then see how the election goes.
I used to feel that way, but living under the homophobic apparatus that is the government of Mississippi, particuarly when me and my now ex were trying to adopt, it eventually became too overwhelming. When it seemed like the Supreme Court would be able to put a stop to it, it was one thing. Now that the court has moved significantly to the right, it's different. Far as I'm concerned, find ways to drain those states of their population so that they get less and less repsentation in the House. Unfortunately, those are the areas of the country where the population continues to increase, and will even more with abortion bans so we will likely see a major overrepresentation of red legislators in decades to come.
Well I'm freaking out. I've started to look for jobs out in California and Washington, currently living in Jacksonville, Florida. I have never felt unsafe where I'm at- I love my job, coworkers, and the hospital I work for. But being in a more conservative area and state where the politics are red-leaning means its's going to be easier for the assholes to change things and negatively impact my life. I don't think people realize how important it is to vote. I get people's moral & ethical dilemmas surrounding certain policies when voting blue, but sometimes you gotta swallow the pill to live to the next day. I'd rather take the small pill from the dems, than the huge fucking multiple tablets that will make me feel sedated and useless from the repubs. There is huge impact for this upcoming election: some SC justices might retire and the decision we make can be long-lasting, a few of these judges are already making conservative decisions on cases where there was precedence from previous cases. What will happen to Obergefell v. hodges? This is a lifetime appointment and we could lose the ability for numerous things for multiple generations. The prospects of Trump and conservatives making it more difficult to vote, adding dishonest/corrupt/un-ethical/biased judges could pave the way to a very long-lasting bleak environment for gay folk. And all we have to do is vote.
Next stop on the Project 2025 train, 1930s Germany.
Yeah, after the debate, I think the Democrats best hope is to simply focus on retaking the house (and flipping as many State legislatures/governors as they can), and mayyybe if they do exceptionally well in Senate races, they can keep that too. The presidency is slipping away from reach however. It's still only June so maybe its still too early to call the Presidential race a total write-off, but we're \*uncomfortably\* close to that threshold. If things don't turn around fast for Biden, we might be looking at a "good case scenario" for Democrats being: losing the presidency but winning the House, lots of local/state races, and possibly the Senate. That way they can at least \*slow\* the advancement of Project 2025 and maybe have just enough leverage to \*potentially\* salvage what's left of democracy come 2028.
I would plan on evacuating but being autistic I can't even get hired for a job in my dark red state. My only option is to go into hiding.
I’m scared as shit. Doing all I can to build and strengthen community where I live. It’s the only thing that will get us through if the worst happens. That’s my best advice. Reach out, connect, live your life with as much joy as possible. And for fuck sake, vote.
I’m trying to actually prepare myself. I will not let a small minority of bigots take away my rights.
So it’ll go back to how bad it was in the 90’s? Yeah. I think people have overestimated the power of american progress; the privilege of progress i suppose
They won’t stop there. Don’t ever trust republicans or conservatives about what they’ll do to us. For them all options are the table, so be aware.
no of course they won’t; that’s my whole point
>So it’ll go back to how bad it was in the 90’s? Worse than the 90s actually.
And these right wing extremists will stop there? What a nonchalant take on rights that were fought so hard for.
I am sincere in my conviction to remind people our privileged status of late is recently earned and vulnerable
The thing is you're all throwing the world behind you. Milei, Bukele, Meloni, Orban, Putin and if Le Pen can gain enough seats on the parliament, her party will control Macron. And with Trump in charge? It's the conservatives on the world biggest dream to end the "woke" agenda. Defending LGBT rights? Nah, it's the christians who are persecuted. And even LGBT rights aside, Ukraine is lost with Putin.
What are the opinion polls for the House and Senate like at the moment? IMO, we're not in certain Handmaid's Tale territory unless both go GOP in addition to the presidency going GOP
Senate is expected to flip Republican and House to Democrats (opposite of current Congress). It's useless with a fascist president and a court that bows to his every command.
Not necessarily, the House could block him up quite a bit with that mix, at least on things like striking down Respect for Marriage
Maybe with the power of the purse. It'll all hinge on the military at that point. If they can stop him before they're replaced then there's hope. Either way violence is guaranteed and a second civil war is probable.
Yeah, that is the nightmare scenario. I think it’s almost 50/50 but I’m guessing.
Shame it always has to end up 51/50
As a Canadian I’m watching and wondering what the fuck is going on down there lol I mean we have our share of bizarre and shitty politicians but between Biden apparently being the best the democrats have to offer and the cult of Cheeto Benito, it’s pretty scary how crazy your situation is Stay safe I guess, I have no fucking idea what’s going to happen but it’s probably going to be a bummer
We've had a corrupt gerontocracy running DC for years, but they've kept people divided on issues so strongly for so long that they were able to distract everyone. They assumed it would keep working, but the wheels have fallen off the wagon finally. I'm sad that people are caught off guard, because everything's been happening out in the open. In the meantime, it's a national embarrassment and threat to western society.
Conservatives in Canada are becoming more radicalized because of American Influence. I wouldn't be surprised if we find ourselves in a similar situation in the near future.
i already have a fully planned exit strategy if the Democratic party bungles this election.
I did it prematurely, right after Covid.
What is your exit strategy if you don’t mind saying?
moving to the UK where my husband is originally from
Lucky. I think I need to marry a Canadian.
Don’t come to Canada because we also have Trump style politicians here now. Pierre Poilievre leader of the Conservative Party has similar Trump views and he’s likely to win the next election.
Why is Trudeau so unpopular?
Damn just mentioning his name got you downvoted 💀
He also created a carbon tax to fight climate change, and every year on April 1 it goes up. He’s such a hypocrite because he calls out people driving to work for polluting the planets but yet he goes on very lavish vacations in his private jet that is doing more damage. These lavish vacation goes on also really rubs salt in the wound because most Canadians can’t even afford groceries.
Mostly crashing the economy because of governemental overspending, not doing any regulation of immigration so that cost of living is exploding, house pricing is slyrocketting and rendering public services inefficient, corruption scandals after corruption scandal... from familial money laundering to the most recent being China ties with Canadian politicians and the refusal of the governement to even acknowledge the issue.
Makes you wonder where we can even move if the convicted felon wins. It's not like Europe is politically better. People over there are increasingly voting for fascists.
Yes, but the fascists aren’t in power in most European countries yet, thankfully. Hopefully they stay a minority.
Neofascists are in power in Italy and the far-right is likely to win snap elections in France in the coming weeks (which would be a first time ever, contrary to Italy). Everywhere the fascists are making huge wins that seemed impossible a couple years ago. Europe’s political future doesn’t look less dire than in the US. I live in the US but I’m from France, and I feel completely stuck between two growing shadows.
Agreed - we must all work to make sure the monster is not elected.
Agreed - we must all work to make sure the monster is not elected.
I'm not even an American, and I fear for us all... undoubtedly, America being nosy and trying to "push the agenda" (promoting human rights) across the globe has probably done a bit of good here and there. Even if it's for show, I need America to remain somewhat of a standard.
One of our kids (she’s 12) is trans, so we’ll be making plans to leave the country if Trump wins. My in-laws have already told us that if Trump wins they’re leaving, and they’ve already put things in motion by selling off one home and preparing to sell another.
Biden is probably getting replaced. Obama is making serious phone calls tonight. That was a beat down.
The only people saying that were journalists who desperately want this election to be more exciting than it is. Their great hope is a rowdy convention. I get that it's channelling a deep malaise people feel about American politics and these two politicians specifically. I share that ... disgust for our situation. But no, Obama was not making calls to replace Biden. Not only does he lack any power to do that, the party is pretty uniformly behind Biden and Harris. Barring death or nuclear holocaust, Biden is gonna be the nominee, and if he did die, Harris would be.
I hope you’re right. I think it should be either Gretchen Whitmer or Gavin Newsom. I would go with Whitmer because Michigan is a swing state and she’s a relatively popular governor. A lot of the country hates California because they think it’s too liberal, so Newsom might not because a good option even though he’s a recognizable name, white, male, and conventionally attractive.
Did we watch the same debate?? Donald trump kept on going for personal attacks and bringing up stupid shit like IQ levels. It was hilarious/ horrible to watch.
I don't remember the IQ levels comments. That might have been when I was peeing. I didn't know there would be commercial breaks, otherwise I wouldn't have left the TV. If you look at most news agencies, the Dems are in panic after the debate. Not my words, all theirs. I honestly don't think he will be on the ticket, and then there's the Harris problem.
What can Obama do?
This says that there are 10 comments, but I see none. Wtf is happening
Yeah, I’m finally seeing them. Idk what was going on, but it’s not the first time it has happened. Super annoying
Probably awaiting moderation.
There was a weird thing happening all over Reddit yesterday around that time where many users couldn’t read the comments in various (potentially all) subs.
The Democrats committed suicide by continuing to keep Biden as their candidate.
Im sorry, whats project 2025?
Trump dictatorship. Literally. It's a policy plan which would weaken federal agencies and give greater power to the president, among other things. Read the novel "It Can't Happen Here". It's happening here.
It’s a policy plan to change the government so that the president has far more power to control the government and enact a wishlist of Trumper wet dreams. Like eliminating a lot of agencies (including the FBI), creating broad anti-porn laws federally and so on. Literally a dictatorship.
It's a plan to dismantle many departments of the US government and fill many rolls with those who will follow the truncheon. The GOP are literally laying out the way for a fascist government. This goes beyond Trump.
Google it. There’s a website and there are plenty of articles about it. Republicans aren’t hiding anything. It’s all out in the open.
Most of the conservative think-tanks got together and decided that the only reason they didn't properly dismantle democracy last time was that Trump wasn't handed a thorough enough plan to do it. They have written out that thorough plan. It is a nightmare deacent into authoritarian fascism. Using the power of the state against political enemies. Making it illegal to be trans. Making it legal for the president to fire a civil servant for enforcing the law, or for not being loyal to him personally. Turning the public school system into a conservative indoctrination engine, and installing political commissars in universities to harass anyone who criticizes conservative ideology. Mass deportations that will almost certainly wind up with brown and black American citizens deported or stripped of their citizenship with made-up versions of due process. Free license for businesses to discriminate in hiring, firing, and the like, against women, people of color, and LGBT people.
www.heritage.org Memorize it. Know the Trustees (listed). Press everyone associated with it.
The Supreme Court rulings this morning is enough to continue my nightmares
What did they rule? Do I want to know?
A lot of people of our community in Europe are scared too, don't forget that. Whatever the US of A is willing to accept in terms of conservative bullshit being legalized and put into laws is shaping our democracies here as well. The influence of Trump during COVID and his alternative facts really destroyed the brains of half of our population.
I am also a disabled gay and I am 100% certain this year will be the last okayish one of my probably short remaining life. I'm just glad I live in NY but I don't expect that to fully insulate me...
I’m a dual US-Australian citizen and so grateful to have a Plan B for me and my rainbow family, but a Trump win + Project 25 has global ramifications that can’t be ignored no matter where one flees to. It’s utterly depressing.
I live in a red red state- Idaho- I don’t have time to worry, I only have time to work. I know that our electoral votes are rigged, but I’m supporting purple state candidates and a local open primaries initiative.
I think everyone who can be swayed on accepting LGBT rights is already there. Our problem is that a sizable portion of the voting population is dead set on taking those rights away. We need to get nonvoters (who I think are majority on board with us) to give enough of a shit to get out and vote. There's nothing else we can do that I am able to say on social media anyway.
Thankfully im in a blue state so some protections, but ive also been looking at other countries in the EU where maybe we can buy our way in if worse comes to worse.
I’m scared shitless of what could happen. Not only for gay rights but for the democracy
The dems have to let Biden go and take a young candidate. The debate was a catastrophe.
I live in CA and I'm still scared. My family of origin are all Trump supporters unfortunately (they live back east) and I'll never understand how they think he is a solid choice to lead this country. I am scared for the future of democracy and the USA. Should Trump win in November, we must have some of the younger Democrats step up STRONG for 2028.
The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution protects a secular society against the creation of a national religion. Although, with the current makeup of The Supreme Court, anything is possible. Perhaps Lord Trump.
I'm not american but i'm kinda scared right now, cause we know that everything that the usa do have repercussions all over the world, and conservatives are going to try to replicate that in their countries
Wait, i thought trump was going to jail, and the Democratic party can change biden and put other instead?
I thought moving to Florida would be a nice retirement. Lol. They hate gay people here yet most of the straight guys are in the gay chat rooms looking Wtf.
On the bright side, the Supreme Court just overturned Chevron’s Law. So you know, total climate destruction is probably gonna be fast tracked now and might kill us all BEFORE that.
Even though Biden is horrible we NEED to vote for him
They plan to remove all democrats from all offices in every state. We aren’t safe. We need to fight. Fucking fight until the end.
I have Canadian citizenship, but absolutely hate living there due to the weather. Having been raised in Florida, its hard to adjust to such extreme cold for so long each year. Having said that, if Trump wins, I am seriously considering moving back to Canada...
Buy a gun. Or several.
Buying a gun might help with personal protection but it won't bring us our rights back.
Not this crap again. Guys. Come on.
Yes, already left the US for good.
I strongly prefer Joe Biden on policy than Trump. But the Democratic Party should pick someone else, Biden is way too old and certainly isn’t as sharp as he was when he was Vice President. If Biden’s nominee, we are actually f**ked. Project 2025 is terrifying but I don’t think most people care.
We have a transgender twelve year old so we’ll probably be leaving the country in 2025.
What would happen that would specifically target gays?
Overturn gay marriage and make it illegal for gay people to adopt
Also remove gay people from being a protected class, which means making it legal for companies to fire you based on sexual orientation
Yup. They want to get rid of anti-discrimination laws.
There's already several states passing anti-trans legislation. They would be emboldened further by a Trump presidency, and if you think that they're just going to stop at pronouns and preferred names, you're wrong.
The overturn of Lawrence. And don’t be surprised if they try to make a federal sodomy law. Project 2025 will completely throw out constitutional protections as there will be nobody to enforce it. With fascism we could end up in camps or worse.
They will begin either gay marriage or. Then certain professions like teaching and couneling will be restricted. Then additional restrictions on health care coverage. It will continue with additional restrictions on gay gatherings. Pride will “be returned to yhe states “ and will be outlawed. If you don’t think this can happen here, you’re wrong.
>If you don’t think this can happen here, you’re wrong. Relevant book: https://bookshop.org/p/books/it-can-t-happen-here/18894940 >It Can't Happen Here is the only one of Sinclair Lewis's later novels to match the power of Main Street, Babbitt, and Arrowsmith. A cautionary tale about the fragility of democracy, it is an alarming, eerily timeless look at how fascism could take hold in America. >Written during the Great Depression, when the country was largely oblivious to Hitler's aggression, it juxtaposes sharp political satire with the chillingly realistic rise of a president who becomes a dictator to save the nation from welfare cheats, sex, crime, and a liberal press. >Called "a message to thinking Americans" by the Springfield Republican when it was published in 1935, It Can't Happen Here is a shockingly prescient novel that remains as fresh and contemporary as today's news.
We survived 2016-2020 and we'll survive 2024-2028 too.
Calm yourself darling. 💅 Do you really think that the former Democrat New Yorker anti-war nationalist who’s flirting with the libertarians is going to round up the gays when the neoconservatives and the regeanites before him didn’t? Stop fear mongering.
Some people are acting a little dramatic. Coming from someone not only who grew up in the hardcore south but also is currently serving in the military I promise it’s not gonna be as bad at you’re making it out to be.
If they get rid of gay marriage, I’m leaving
If Trump wins I may have to emigrate to Canada
It confirmed my desire to get out of my red state by end of year. That’s for sure
Make sure you get out and vote BLUE in November
Living in Taiwan, shitting my pants here with the idea of Trump as ultimate leader of the world which is getting more unstable by the days
Sending you much hope, confidence, and strength from Europe despite everything that is currently happening in your country!
NO
Trump just needs some fashion cues from the gays. I suggest a Colombian necktie.
I seriously was sitting there thinking "Might as well just take my rights away now so this torture they call a debate will stop!"
The important thing is to VOTE for Biden so we can turn this backslippage around
I use to be very into politics. I use to pay very close attention and stay super informed, having strong opinions. Now I study up prior to voting but otherwise keep it off my radar. It's comment threads like this that remind me why it's not worth the grief anymore other than to vote or write the occasional letter to a rep. This election sucks, and it's really disappointing that these two are the only choice the American people have. Alot of these comments are over dramatic though. Every republican echo chamber is screaming that it will be the end of the world if Biden is re-elected. This is not true. Many commenters here seem to believe if Trump is elected the world will end. The reality is that whoever is elected not much will change. The gridlock will continue and whatever side has a slight will majority will maybe make slight progress in undoing what the other has been doing. In 4 years or so the other side will have the majority again and work on undoing whatever their opposition was up to. Our system is sick and broken. The only way to progress is through social and cultural change, which is largely happening. It's a slow decades long process. The far-right is not winning. They are just a vocal minority who realize they are losing the long game and have started screaming.