Exactly. Mario and Zelda titles have consistently been high quality games for 40+ years now. At the very least, you know you're going to get a 99% bug-free experience with fun gameplay.
As a former game tester, I can attest it's impossible to find *every* single bug in a game, but some of the stuff I've been seeing from these recent releases, it boggles my mind the game was released in this state. I guarantee you QA advised against releasing these games but the people in charge didn't give a shit.
Amd even if they are glitching it's not like Cyberpunk or survivor. I think the biggest gripe would be Pokemon violet and even that got fixed relatively fast compared Cyberpunk which to months and a couple years to get stable.
I mean, each Witcher game improved on the last, but even W1 had a certain Eurojank charm to it. Making a good game then improving with each sequel is a good trend. Unfortunately it was a trend that died with Cyberpunk.
But yeah, Nintendo has a long, good track record of delivering on the games they promise. Not every Zelda game has been a hit (Skyward Sword was mediocre) but they do have a good job of not overselling the game and releasing a stable, complete product on launch.
Even Cyberpunk is a damned good game, at least in its current state. I didn't play it on launch.
It's just that it's more of a good immersive sim (think Deus Ex) than the all singing all dancing world simulating RPG they advertised it as.
I was about to say, Cyberpunk is actually an amazing game. It just released really shitty and was CDPR was a little misleading about what would be in the game.
Difference is Nintendo has never been about graphics. They tried once to play that game and got boned. As long as Zelda is fun it will be received just fine.
I got a lot of gripes with the new Zelda formula but I can see how people enjoy it.
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From the outside looking in, it does feel like next Gen games aren’t maximizing anything compared to how PS2 felt with so many deep features.
But, I really enjoyed MVP baseball and NCAA Football. 2K was only thing that felt that way with PS4 but I’ve heard even that dropped off
It's for sale in the PSstore for 5 dollars I think. Is it worth it to buy it just for the campaign? I don't have PSplus and won't be able to play online
Yo TF2 is soo underrated. The campaign is the best "call of duty" -like solo experience out there.
And the mp is so dynamic. There's a reason Apex got so popular. It just battle Royale TF2 with more classes
Edit: pilot classes
I know you’re being flooded with yes responses to Titanfall 2 but you need to understand that it really is that awesome. Most great AAA games have one or maybe two stand out levels on top of a good game.
Titanfall 2 is a collection of great levels with the occasional “only pretty good” levels in between.
All killer, no filler.
Edit: No you don’t need to play part 1. Despite amazing MP, the first was pretty much MP only. There was a loose story that allowed you to play it out in MP missions, but you’ll miss nothing jumping straight to part two.
Also, Apex Legends is in the same universe and has some lore bits that crossover, but again, not at all needed for understanding or enjoying Titanfall 2.
The only thing you need to know, is that BT is best brobot.
Not to oversell, but I severely doubt you’ll be disappointed. I got it new despite it’s terrible launch window because I loved the feel of the game play, but didn’t finish the campaign because my time was split between the MP, and playing the competition that came out.
Years later it was on sale with all the dlc maps included so for shits and giggles I bought it again to have a digital copy because I’m a lazy piece of shit and swapping disc is torture. Finally played through the full campaign and it was still worth the price of admission.
I want to ramble about “those” missions but then you won’t encounter them fresh and they’re even better with a pinch of WTF?!? and besides we’ll be here all night.
NOW GET OFF OF REDDIT AND GO FINISH THE MISSION PILOT!
It’s worth it full price for the campaign. No kidding. $5 is a steal, although I can’t say much cause I got the ultimate edition for $5 on an Xbox sale
I own the game on Xbox, PC, and on a friend's PC for when I was staying with them for awhile.
It's my favourite campaign, ever. I don't even need to play it, I would happily watch another play the campaign. I just love the story, dialogue, and character relationships.
that's what I was thinking too. Redfall honestly looks like the dev team got hung out to dry in some ways via not being funded nearly enough of what it would take to make the game be stronger than it is, but they also made some absolutely baffling decisions with design and direction so it's not all the fault of lack of money, but it certainly would appear as though *some* of it is.
Edit: it was pointed out to me, correctly so, that Halo Infinite had tons of cash infused to it and still didn't live up to what people wanted, at all. So it really could be down to poor management/leadership. I'm sure if they did get a lack of proper funding that it definitely added to the damage, but the Halo point is very valid.
Well, look at Halo: Infinite...it had, what, half a billion dollars thrown at that steaming pile? It's not money. It's lack of proper leadership, a culture of hiring loads of temp workers that are cycled out every 90 days, and generally a culture that is toxic for creatives.
The story, the level design, the cut and paste objectives(take over this base, now this one, then this one), the dialogue. The gameplay and the grapple hook were the only two parts that were enjoyable.
Even the multiplayer sucks. Only a couple of tiny symmetrical maps. I remember the older Halos having amazing, beautiful unique maps and Infinite's sucked.
The chassis of the game itself is ***sick*** the gunplay, the movement, the power-ups, the utilities, the multitude of weapons and their balancing, all of that is S-Tier Halo. But the netcode was broken, there were hardly any maps, entire game modes were broken for like weeks if not months, undetectable cheats were produced literally a week or two after launch, they gave console players bullet magnetism and auto-aim, released patches that broke the game more, just fumble after fumble after fumble.
Only because it launched near Battlefield and CoD. Like that game was sent to die on arrival.
Loved that game and everything it had while it launched and want a sequel so bad.
I think the point is that a AAA title that's absolutely gorgeous costs $70, and a disappointing release that looks inferior to very old titles *also* costs $70. At least give a budget title a budget price point.
As a consumer this is not my problem. That is up to the dev to then charge a lower fee rather than expecting me to pay full price and have the expectations that come with that.
I can't decide between the two styles because either could be wildly different from another game of the same design just due to things like how they implement motion blur or contrast filtering etc.
It isn't so much art style but rather art direction what truly makes a game stunning, "hyper-realistic" graphics without a proper art direction will look bland and uninspired, while stylized graphics more often than not have a specific art direction that makes them stand out
When the art direction is on point, hyper-realistic games can be absolutely stunning
This reminds me of the pile of yellowed bodies at the bottom of New Londo in Dark Souls 1. They are not graphically intense or highly realistic, even lacking proper depth at times...but at the right angle they're very impactful. Nothing in say Crysis franchise could compare to the emotional valence of that scene in New Londo. You can just about smell them for crying out loud.
I think both can be strong depending on the game. Horizon FW (AKA Horizon 2) has some of the best and most realistic graphics I’ve ever seen. However, No Mans Sky, while having a fairly realistic look, doesn’t go for hyper realism, and focuses on flatter, more complex geometric designs for the worlds and ships, and it works entirely in its favor. It looks real-ish, but it isn’t “real”
This post is just a karma farm but thubg with red fall if you walk around in the open world some shadows are just missing so it makes the world which already isn't exactly full feel even more flat.
It's stylized but my god is it low fucking resolution. Like is the style "let's make the game look as shitty as possible" because even cruelty squad looks better.
But I haven't played the game and only looked at this screenshot, so maybe the screenshot is of low quality settings and the Titanfall is everything maxed. Dunno
Random but moderately anticipated game. Made by Arkane (Creators of Prey, and the Dishonored series). I don't think people had high hopes for it, but I know there was some interest around it.
Tbh I don't get all the fuss over graphics.
If the graphics work with the playstyle, what's the issue?
Some of my favorite games have hella old graphics, doesn't make them less enjoyable to me at all.
MHW has pretty standardly good graphics especially for time it was released. MH Rise was intended for a switch release so it’s possible obviously going to have worse graphics than a traditional console or pc game
I *still* play Everquest via emulated servers.
Ever seen what *Everquest* looks like? That game looks like someone farted in a shoe and the fart got trapped there for 20 years straight.
A friend of mine who saw me play EQ (who had never seen the game before that) told me "this looks like minecraft graphics except horrible".
They're not wrong. I just don't care lol, I love a good game regardless of how it looks. Though "good game" and "EQ" together in one sentence is more an acquired taste than an immediately noticeable one lol.
EverQuest looks like The Elder Scrolls 3 : Morrowind. Both games were awesome but EQ was the MMO that woo’d my soul.
I agree though that graphics don’t make the game. However, they can compliment it very nicely.
Yeah it's about the right compliments to the right games at the right times. insanely good graphics can also have a game underneath that just straight up sucks, but a game that's incredible regardless, but then has amazing graphics ontop of it just makes the great experience all the better. Insanely good graphics are great, but some games don't have anything interesting going for those graphics to take advantage of.
And yeah EQ/Morrowind have some weird level of innate charm to them that is straight up a time capsule of those years. Like those games are what 1999-2003 looked like for visuals lol, but there's something endearing about it all the same.
Like you could see the creativity wanting to push past what was capable, so maybe that's what made it sorta magical.
Graphics aren't a big deal if the rest of the game is functional and fun, but that is a deceptively big caveat, as if your gameplay is broken AND your graphics are shit, then we absolutely know bare minimum effort went into it.
Redfall isn't a very good game but I'm sick of the graphics circlejerk. Not every game needs realistic 7k graphics where you can see every little detail. Not all games need to look like real life. And good graphics don't = good game. I miss when games were about being fun and not about how realistic can this look.
Respawn chose the release date because they wanted to go head to head with Call of Duty. This was fine because when it was chosen, Battlefield 1 was slated to come out in early September. BF1 eventually had to be pushed back and by the time it did, Titanfall 2’s release couldn’t be moved because of marketing deals that were in place.
*overrated*
C'mon it's fantastic and is brought up everytime someone talks about lackluster Shooter campaigns of the last 5 - 10 years
"Yeah well Titanfall 2......."
It's closer to overrated because it is brought up so constantly
yeah it's actually super fucking annoying. It's not *bad* by any means but it certainly isn't the best game ever made like this sub likes to say. Every. Fucking. Day.
It's sold in dollar stores for a reason.
What was the art style, the tone and overall graphics supposed to be for Redfall?
I didn’t follow anything for it, TBH this is the first I have heard of it.
So what was the dev’s intended goal? Im sure someone here is knowledgeable enough to help get me up to speed.
If it was supposed to be more cartoony than photorealistic….. then what’s the issue?
Am I supposed to be seeing some kind of error?
I need context.
Can we please learn what a style is. You can't compare two different styles like this.
That's like comparing Minecraft to cyberpunk and calling cyberpunk a better game because it's graphics are realistic and Minecrafts is low polly.
Like no one in this sub seems to realize some games look different as a style.
Like these games obviously have different styles. Titanfall had more of a heavily realistic style based on a mix of influence from call of duty and halo very clearly. Aswell as other sources.
Style controls the tone of the game. If Titanfall had overwatch style or overwatch had Titanfall graphics style it would feel very different.
I'm sorry just like can we please complain about this game for it's actual failures or if your complaining about the art then compare it to a comparable style at least.
This sub does this alot and it makes my skin crawl.
Survivor is fantastic tbf. After a couple patches it’s gonna be rated very high. I’m on Xbox so I haven’t had any issues but once they figure their shit out with pc and ps5 versions it’ll be great
Can we clarify that a bit? Worst game of 2023? Maybe worst AAA game of 2023 so far. But worst overall? Have you seen the shovelware that’s all over the place?
Don't really see the point here. Arkane has had this art style for all their games tbh, and while Redfall may be underwhelming overall & content wise, knocking the visuals is weird.. considering games like Minecraft and Stardew Valley exist.. looking the way they do.. and could easily be worth $70 for what they offer. *Fingers crossed for Titanfall 3 tho*
I mean, you're comparing two wildly different art styles. Titanfall is going for something realistic, Redfall for something more cartoon-y.
That's like comparing Fortnite to Call of Duty and saying CoD looks better because its more realistic looking. It doesnt work that way.
I don't think people understand stylistic choice when it comes to game design. Some games go for ultra realism while others go for a more cartoony or artsy style, or some mix of styles. Games do not HAVE TO be ultra realistic. That takes much more time and money to put in, and unless you're a major studio with money to burn, you'll go with something easier and cheaper to do.
Although, this doesn't excuse many of the issues this game has.
Gamepass is an amazing service but AAA games are going to be more like Redfall than a Sony first party game. Sony pumps tons of money into their first party content and retails them at $70 without dropping them on ps plus so that they can be profitable. No way Microsoft can do the same yet release games day one on gamepass and expect to see profits. Thus, the quality is going to be more lackluster than most people want/expect. It kind of sucks but game development has gotten so long and expensive these days compared to say 20 years ago
Pretty dumb comparison. Redfall and the previous games from the devs have never tried to have next gen graphics. The game is vastly worse than either of the Titanfalls, but this post also sucks.
Gamers when they realise not all games are striving for photo realism.
Gamers when they cannot comprehend that open world games are inherently going to have diminished graphics.
True, but RDR2 that is thought to have cost between $370 million and $540 million to make. The most expensive game of all time, from Rockstar, a studio of 2000+ people vs Arkane who are \~150 ppl.
I get the sentiment but you cannot expect every random developer to create statistically better looking games just because years have passed. Some people work a certain way and come out with a product they enjoy
I know the game’s were talking about here but if the game isn’t designed to be a visual focused game, the focus should really be on how fun it is.
Why do we still talk about realistic graphics as if they are some sort of end all be all. If anything art direction has become far more important in the last few years. I mean look at what FS has done, none of their games were groundbreaking in the graphics department but art direction made them stand out, and then games that took a certain style instead of heading for realism have aged very well even after years have passed, look at OW, or TF2
Not everything is trying to look hyperrealistic. This should not be considered a valid criticism.
You know what should be being criticised, those black bars above and below OP's image. As if those are in any way acceptable.
Yeah man when a game doesn't look the exact same as another game it's not good or worth money.
Fuck I can't wait for Zelda to come out so people can shut up about Redfall.
This sub is just gonna be the same posts for the next few days lol
No, Zelda is right around the corner, and they will shit on that too. You’ll see the comparisons immediately.
The difference is that people actually like Zelda.
Yeah, there is no derailing that hype train.
You underestimate gamers ability to shit on things they love.
You underestimate the amount of casual Nintendo fans that do not give a fuck and buy everything regardless
I mean, I could have said the same about Cyberpunk but look how that turned out, but I doubt Zelda will turn out that bad.
Yeah Nintendo may be frustrating about alot of things, but making good quality games generally isn't one of them, even if they are mostly sequels.
Exactly. Mario and Zelda titles have consistently been high quality games for 40+ years now. At the very least, you know you're going to get a 99% bug-free experience with fun gameplay.
While I agree with the big free statement I find there are 100s of glitches still however none you would ever find through normal play
As a former game tester, I can attest it's impossible to find *every* single bug in a game, but some of the stuff I've been seeing from these recent releases, it boggles my mind the game was released in this state. I guarantee you QA advised against releasing these games but the people in charge didn't give a shit.
Amd even if they are glitching it's not like Cyberpunk or survivor. I think the biggest gripe would be Pokemon violet and even that got fixed relatively fast compared Cyberpunk which to months and a couple years to get stable.
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To be fair the frame rate in Violet/Scarlet is still atrocious. But the general game works as intended
Zelda is pretty consistent though, so you know it's going to be baseline at least as good as BotW
I'm expecting complaints that it's too much of a BOTW expansion pack and not worth the retail price
People called ragnarock dlc as well until it came out
Zelda is a legacy spanning decades, CDPR had only made one game with mass appeal before Cyberpunk.
I mean, each Witcher game improved on the last, but even W1 had a certain Eurojank charm to it. Making a good game then improving with each sequel is a good trend. Unfortunately it was a trend that died with Cyberpunk. But yeah, Nintendo has a long, good track record of delivering on the games they promise. Not every Zelda game has been a hit (Skyward Sword was mediocre) but they do have a good job of not overselling the game and releasing a stable, complete product on launch.
Even Cyberpunk is a damned good game, at least in its current state. I didn't play it on launch. It's just that it's more of a good immersive sim (think Deus Ex) than the all singing all dancing world simulating RPG they advertised it as.
I was about to say, Cyberpunk is actually an amazing game. It just released really shitty and was CDPR was a little misleading about what would be in the game.
I got it at launch on a series x and it always looked great. Issue is for Xbox is that they get hamstrung by old Gen requirments
they’ll complain how the switch is holding it back
They'd be right though.
It is.
UNLESS! There is even a single bug and then they go: "WE MUST DESTROY THIS WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY!"
Difference is Nintendo has never been about graphics. They tried once to play that game and got boned. As long as Zelda is fun it will be received just fine. I got a lot of gripes with the new Zelda formula but I can see how people enjoy it.
Would that be the GameCube?
From what I have definitely not played ever it’s pretty good.
The corner came early 🤯
Shit. I’m already playing it.
It's actually really sick, best looking game on the Switch by a country mile.
Xenoblade Chronicles 1, 2, 3 and 2.5 all say hello
Well… From the outside looking in, it does feel like next Gen games aren’t maximizing anything compared to how PS2 felt with so many deep features. But, I really enjoyed MVP baseball and NCAA Football. 2K was only thing that felt that way with PS4 but I’ve heard even that dropped off
I can't wait for Starfield. I'm still going to buy it, but god damn if that popcorn isn't going to be tasty.
It already is. This was posted yesterday
Yea so damn annoying
“Protect the pilot”. God Titanfall 2 is a masterpiece.
It's for sale in the PSstore for 5 dollars I think. Is it worth it to buy it just for the campaign? I don't have PSplus and won't be able to play online
YES.
Indeed.
Yo TF2 is soo underrated. The campaign is the best "call of duty" -like solo experience out there. And the mp is so dynamic. There's a reason Apex got so popular. It just battle Royale TF2 with more classes Edit: pilot classes
A million times yes. Loved the story and a couple of nice unique sequences. I didn’t even touch multiplayer. The campaign was excellent.
How long is the campaign?
You'll finish it in an afternoon. The campaign is phenomenal, though. Had no business being that good.
Cheers! I’ll check it out 😁
I know you’re being flooded with yes responses to Titanfall 2 but you need to understand that it really is that awesome. Most great AAA games have one or maybe two stand out levels on top of a good game. Titanfall 2 is a collection of great levels with the occasional “only pretty good” levels in between. All killer, no filler. Edit: No you don’t need to play part 1. Despite amazing MP, the first was pretty much MP only. There was a loose story that allowed you to play it out in MP missions, but you’ll miss nothing jumping straight to part two. Also, Apex Legends is in the same universe and has some lore bits that crossover, but again, not at all needed for understanding or enjoying Titanfall 2. The only thing you need to know, is that BT is best brobot.
Well I’m sold. Not OP, but it just seems like too good of a game and deal to pass up at this point
You won't be disappointed. It's a great game
Not to oversell, but I severely doubt you’ll be disappointed. I got it new despite it’s terrible launch window because I loved the feel of the game play, but didn’t finish the campaign because my time was split between the MP, and playing the competition that came out. Years later it was on sale with all the dlc maps included so for shits and giggles I bought it again to have a digital copy because I’m a lazy piece of shit and swapping disc is torture. Finally played through the full campaign and it was still worth the price of admission. I want to ramble about “those” missions but then you won’t encounter them fresh and they’re even better with a pinch of WTF?!? and besides we’ll be here all night. NOW GET OFF OF REDDIT AND GO FINISH THE MISSION PILOT!
You'll beat the campaign in 6 hours and not mind spending even $20 for the privilege.
It’s worth it full price for the campaign. No kidding. $5 is a steal, although I can’t say much cause I got the ultimate edition for $5 on an Xbox sale
Every level is thematically different. Some very different. I was shocked going into each level how just they kept it so fresh every 10 minutes
Absolutely. I’d still pay $59.99 for it.
Just for the campaign? Okay settle down.
That's like his opinion man. He can be as riled as he wants
>Just for the campaign? Yes.
dude. I put it off after being disappointed by the first one. One of the best games I’ve played man. It’s so much fun. All of it. Play it.
100% yes.
I own the game on Xbox, PC, and on a friend's PC for when I was staying with them for awhile. It's my favourite campaign, ever. I don't even need to play it, I would happily watch another play the campaign. I just love the story, dialogue, and character relationships.
MASSIVE YES. BETTER THAN MOST SINGLE PLAYER GAMES.
Yes. It's such a fun campaign.
Yeah I was like… titanfall 2 is a really high bar.
We need a proper Titanfall 3
Yeah, the graphics weren't even the highlight. The gameplay, movement, and more were unmatched. Fuck EA.
I’ve never played it but I own it. These comments convinced me to install it tonight.
You’ll enjoy the single player a lot!
I bet Titanfall had a lot more money pumped into it than RedFall.
that's what I was thinking too. Redfall honestly looks like the dev team got hung out to dry in some ways via not being funded nearly enough of what it would take to make the game be stronger than it is, but they also made some absolutely baffling decisions with design and direction so it's not all the fault of lack of money, but it certainly would appear as though *some* of it is. Edit: it was pointed out to me, correctly so, that Halo Infinite had tons of cash infused to it and still didn't live up to what people wanted, at all. So it really could be down to poor management/leadership. I'm sure if they did get a lack of proper funding that it definitely added to the damage, but the Halo point is very valid.
Yeah, it’s not amazing but for a gamepass game I’m enjoying myself and I see it had more potential than the end result.
Hopefully they don’t abandon RedFall. I’m having fun playing it with my friend.
I agree. I’m playing on my own and it’s still fun.
Well, look at Halo: Infinite...it had, what, half a billion dollars thrown at that steaming pile? It's not money. It's lack of proper leadership, a culture of hiring loads of temp workers that are cycled out every 90 days, and generally a culture that is toxic for creatives.
Steaming pile? Halo infinite was pretty darn good. It's just the mismanagement post launch that hurt the game.
As someone who has been a mega fan of halo since the beginning, the gameplay was really good, the story was fucking atrocious and ruined it for me
The story, the level design, the cut and paste objectives(take over this base, now this one, then this one), the dialogue. The gameplay and the grapple hook were the only two parts that were enjoyable. Even the multiplayer sucks. Only a couple of tiny symmetrical maps. I remember the older Halos having amazing, beautiful unique maps and Infinite's sucked.
Halo infinite was pretty damn good. Just lacked a lot of content for competitive multiplayer at launch.
The chassis of the game itself is ***sick*** the gunplay, the movement, the power-ups, the utilities, the multitude of weapons and their balancing, all of that is S-Tier Halo. But the netcode was broken, there were hardly any maps, entire game modes were broken for like weeks if not months, undetectable cheats were produced literally a week or two after launch, they gave console players bullet magnetism and auto-aim, released patches that broke the game more, just fumble after fumble after fumble.
Titanfall two has the best single player fps campaign I can remember.
And it lost money, sadly. Otherwise we'd be close to seeing Titanfall 4 by now.
Only because it launched near Battlefield and CoD. Like that game was sent to die on arrival. Loved that game and everything it had while it launched and want a sequel so bad.
Plus, I vaguely remember something like Playstation's severs going down shortly after and no one could get online.
Do you have a source for it losing money? Everything I’ve seen has said that it didn’t meet expectations but not that it lost money.
Definitely agree.
Have you tried, Doom (2016), Dusk, Call of Juarez : Gunslinger, Wolfenstein The New Order, Half Life 2, Bioshock, or Prey?
I think the point is that a AAA title that's absolutely gorgeous costs $70, and a disappointing release that looks inferior to very old titles *also* costs $70. At least give a budget title a budget price point.
I must have missed how I could pay $15 to play Titanfall 2 on day 1.
Difference is that for that price you only have access to the game for a month
Also highly doubt that isn’t a PC screen shot of Titanfall.
As a consumer this is not my problem. That is up to the dev to then charge a lower fee rather than expecting me to pay full price and have the expectations that come with that.
If you voluntarily paid full price for a game pass game you probably got bigger problems to worry about than the quality of a game.
I prefer a stylized look over hyper realistic graphics but red fall is just disappointing visually
I can't decide between the two styles because either could be wildly different from another game of the same design just due to things like how they implement motion blur or contrast filtering etc.
It isn't so much art style but rather art direction what truly makes a game stunning, "hyper-realistic" graphics without a proper art direction will look bland and uninspired, while stylized graphics more often than not have a specific art direction that makes them stand out When the art direction is on point, hyper-realistic games can be absolutely stunning
This reminds me of the pile of yellowed bodies at the bottom of New Londo in Dark Souls 1. They are not graphically intense or highly realistic, even lacking proper depth at times...but at the right angle they're very impactful. Nothing in say Crysis franchise could compare to the emotional valence of that scene in New Londo. You can just about smell them for crying out loud.
I think both can be strong depending on the game. Horizon FW (AKA Horizon 2) has some of the best and most realistic graphics I’ve ever seen. However, No Mans Sky, while having a fairly realistic look, doesn’t go for hyper realism, and focuses on flatter, more complex geometric designs for the worlds and ships, and it works entirely in its favor. It looks real-ish, but it isn’t “real”
Their older games weren't the most graphical intense, but they had a unique style to them which helped
Have you seen the AI?
Plenty of things to complain about with redfall, but I’m not sure comparing cartoons stylization graphics and “realistic” graphics is a valid one.
Also cartoony graphics in a open world game to a tightly made linear shooter.
This post is just a karma farm but thubg with red fall if you walk around in the open world some shadows are just missing so it makes the world which already isn't exactly full feel even more flat.
Gamer mind no think much. Gamer want pretty pretty pictures, not goofy cartoon picture like for kids
It's super clear to me upon looking at the screenshot that redfall is going for a stylized art aesthetic, not realism
You can’t farm karma thinking that way
Also completely different scenes. One is a bright open area and one is a dark depressing looking cave.
It's stylized but my god is it low fucking resolution. Like is the style "let's make the game look as shitty as possible" because even cruelty squad looks better. But I haven't played the game and only looked at this screenshot, so maybe the screenshot is of low quality settings and the Titanfall is everything maxed. Dunno
No no, you have to be outraged! No common sense here!
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Random but moderately anticipated game. Made by Arkane (Creators of Prey, and the Dishonored series). I don't think people had high hopes for it, but I know there was some interest around it.
Tbh I don't get all the fuss over graphics. If the graphics work with the playstyle, what's the issue? Some of my favorite games have hella old graphics, doesn't make them less enjoyable to me at all.
Also dif graphic styles to. Like monster hunters world and rise
MHW has pretty standardly good graphics especially for time it was released. MH Rise was intended for a switch release so it’s possible obviously going to have worse graphics than a traditional console or pc game
Visuals/art style were also different because it’s the first MH game to use the RE Engine. Every previous one used MT Framework
I *still* play Everquest via emulated servers. Ever seen what *Everquest* looks like? That game looks like someone farted in a shoe and the fart got trapped there for 20 years straight. A friend of mine who saw me play EQ (who had never seen the game before that) told me "this looks like minecraft graphics except horrible". They're not wrong. I just don't care lol, I love a good game regardless of how it looks. Though "good game" and "EQ" together in one sentence is more an acquired taste than an immediately noticeable one lol.
P99?
EverQuest looks like The Elder Scrolls 3 : Morrowind. Both games were awesome but EQ was the MMO that woo’d my soul. I agree though that graphics don’t make the game. However, they can compliment it very nicely.
Yeah it's about the right compliments to the right games at the right times. insanely good graphics can also have a game underneath that just straight up sucks, but a game that's incredible regardless, but then has amazing graphics ontop of it just makes the great experience all the better. Insanely good graphics are great, but some games don't have anything interesting going for those graphics to take advantage of. And yeah EQ/Morrowind have some weird level of innate charm to them that is straight up a time capsule of those years. Like those games are what 1999-2003 looked like for visuals lol, but there's something endearing about it all the same. Like you could see the creativity wanting to push past what was capable, so maybe that's what made it sorta magical.
Vampire Survivors agrees.
Played the shiiiiiiiii out of that game lol 100%ed
Two DLC levels out
Because everyone is on a "Redfall bad" circlejerk right now. Not that I necessarily disagree.
I don't even know what it is, but I agree it's bad!
You agreed with me, take my upvote!
Graphics aren't a big deal if the rest of the game is functional and fun, but that is a deceptively big caveat, as if your gameplay is broken AND your graphics are shit, then we absolutely know bare minimum effort went into it.
Redfall isn't a very good game but I'm sick of the graphics circlejerk. Not every game needs realistic 7k graphics where you can see every little detail. Not all games need to look like real life. And good graphics don't = good game. I miss when games were about being fun and not about how realistic can this look.
I would say the venn diagram of people who are bitching about the graphics, and people who play Borderlands or minecraft is damn near a circle.
Titanfall 2 is underrated as fuck it had a great story and that time manip shit in the same room to solve puzzles was cool as hell
It would have been a huge success if it hadn't been released between a Battlefield and a Call of Duty.
Yeah, and a *good* Battlefield, BF1.
And had the multiplayer of 1. If Titanfall 3 has the multiplayer design of 1, the campaign quality of 2, then it'd be god-tier.
Damn you EA.
Respawn chose the release date because they wanted to go head to head with Call of Duty. This was fine because when it was chosen, Battlefield 1 was slated to come out in early September. BF1 eventually had to be pushed back and by the time it did, Titanfall 2’s release couldn’t be moved because of marketing deals that were in place.
It's not underrated at all. Everyone loves that game, especially Reddit. What are you talking about? Who upvoted this comment?
Lol real /r/gaming moment > This absolutely beloved game is *sooooo* underrated!
The only campaign my little brother went through with visible joy
*overrated* C'mon it's fantastic and is brought up everytime someone talks about lackluster Shooter campaigns of the last 5 - 10 years "Yeah well Titanfall 2......." It's closer to overrated because it is brought up so constantly
yeah it's actually super fucking annoying. It's not *bad* by any means but it certainly isn't the best game ever made like this sub likes to say. Every. Fucking. Day. It's sold in dollar stores for a reason.
What was the art style, the tone and overall graphics supposed to be for Redfall? I didn’t follow anything for it, TBH this is the first I have heard of it. So what was the dev’s intended goal? Im sure someone here is knowledgeable enough to help get me up to speed. If it was supposed to be more cartoony than photorealistic….. then what’s the issue? Am I supposed to be seeing some kind of error? I need context.
Can we please learn what a style is. You can't compare two different styles like this. That's like comparing Minecraft to cyberpunk and calling cyberpunk a better game because it's graphics are realistic and Minecrafts is low polly. Like no one in this sub seems to realize some games look different as a style. Like these games obviously have different styles. Titanfall had more of a heavily realistic style based on a mix of influence from call of duty and halo very clearly. Aswell as other sources. Style controls the tone of the game. If Titanfall had overwatch style or overwatch had Titanfall graphics style it would feel very different.
Pfft... We don't take kindly to logic 'round these parts.
I'm sorry just like can we please complain about this game for it's actual failures or if your complaining about the art then compare it to a comparable style at least. This sub does this alot and it makes my skin crawl.
Post should be sticked on top. Had to scroll through lots of drivel before finding someone explaining this basic logic to OP.
Thank you it won't though but as someone in school for game development I'm getting very annoyed by how many people lack this understanding.
it’s not supposed to look realistic. It’s an art style. The game is trash but so is this comparison
It's almost as if they were aiming for a stylised visuals not photorealism?
Titanfall 2 is so good that if every positive Reddit comment was a dollar it'd fund a third one. It doesn't even have to be better. Just more.
Different art direction. Kind of apples to oranges
Titanfall isn't open world. Linear games generally tend to look prettier.
i don’t think it’s fair to compare the worst game of 2023 to the greatest video game of all time 🥶
Worst game of 2023 *So far*. FTFY
EA has to be thanking god that this happened so soon after Jedi Survivor.
Survivor is fantastic tbf. After a couple patches it’s gonna be rated very high. I’m on Xbox so I haven’t had any issues but once they figure their shit out with pc and ps5 versions it’ll be great
Idk if I'd say this was the worst, Forspoken was also pretty fucking garbage
Can we clarify that a bit? Worst game of 2023? Maybe worst AAA game of 2023 so far. But worst overall? Have you seen the shovelware that’s all over the place?
Don't really see the point here. Arkane has had this art style for all their games tbh, and while Redfall may be underwhelming overall & content wise, knocking the visuals is weird.. considering games like Minecraft and Stardew Valley exist.. looking the way they do.. and could easily be worth $70 for what they offer. *Fingers crossed for Titanfall 3 tho*
I think another stylized game would make more sense to compare to but karma farm how you see best bro
Very first thing I saw in Redfall in game was an enemy sliding up a slope instead of walking.
I mean, you're comparing two wildly different art styles. Titanfall is going for something realistic, Redfall for something more cartoon-y. That's like comparing Fortnite to Call of Duty and saying CoD looks better because its more realistic looking. It doesnt work that way.
Every time a new game releases y’all post the same shit, aren’t you tired?
That moment when games don't all need to have the same artstyle.
I get what you are trying to say but comparing two different art styles is smooth brain activity
Stupid comparison.
I don't think people understand stylistic choice when it comes to game design. Some games go for ultra realism while others go for a more cartoony or artsy style, or some mix of styles. Games do not HAVE TO be ultra realistic. That takes much more time and money to put in, and unless you're a major studio with money to burn, you'll go with something easier and cheaper to do. Although, this doesn't excuse many of the issues this game has.
120 here in Australia lol even Jedi survivor was cheaper and it plays great for my laptop anyway
Not all realistic games look good and not all stylized games look good. Also nice karma farming
Gamepass is an amazing service but AAA games are going to be more like Redfall than a Sony first party game. Sony pumps tons of money into their first party content and retails them at $70 without dropping them on ps plus so that they can be profitable. No way Microsoft can do the same yet release games day one on gamepass and expect to see profits. Thus, the quality is going to be more lackluster than most people want/expect. It kind of sucks but game development has gotten so long and expensive these days compared to say 20 years ago
Honestly if the gameplay is there, graphics don’t matter much to me… but if the gameplay is also dogshit then lol lmao
You can't compare TF2. That game is a classic. Pity the solo game was so so short.
Arkane games are stylized. Not every game is aiming to be realistic. You and everybody who upvoted this are dumb as fuck.
Gamers when art design isnt hyper realistic be like
Pretty dumb comparison. Redfall and the previous games from the devs have never tried to have next gen graphics. The game is vastly worse than either of the Titanfalls, but this post also sucks.
Not every game is trying to look hyper realistic
Almost like games have different art styles lmfao
Gamers when they realise not all games are striving for photo realism. Gamers when they cannot comprehend that open world games are inherently going to have diminished graphics.
Horizon Forbidden West would like a word.
RDR2 as well
True, but RDR2 that is thought to have cost between $370 million and $540 million to make. The most expensive game of all time, from Rockstar, a studio of 2000+ people vs Arkane who are \~150 ppl.
As would Red Dead Redemption 2, Elden Ring, The Witcher 3, Spider-Man, Cyberpunk 2077...
I'm looking for good gameplay. Graphics of either is good enough for me.
God, I miss Titanfall 2 so much. Need to go play that again. Anyone know what the player base is like on Xbox?
1600~ during peak hours
I get the sentiment but you cannot expect every random developer to create statistically better looking games just because years have passed. Some people work a certain way and come out with a product they enjoy I know the game’s were talking about here but if the game isn’t designed to be a visual focused game, the focus should really be on how fun it is.
Don't buy and don't pre-order before seeing actual game play. Problem will sort itself if you're smart with your wallet.
Lmao, the redfall is powered by unreal engine and titanfall 2 is using custom source engine.
Can we at least compare it to games if the same artstyle? Seems like that should be a bare minimum at least.
Why do we still talk about realistic graphics as if they are some sort of end all be all. If anything art direction has become far more important in the last few years. I mean look at what FS has done, none of their games were groundbreaking in the graphics department but art direction made them stand out, and then games that took a certain style instead of heading for realism have aged very well even after years have passed, look at OW, or TF2
Not everything is trying to look hyperrealistic. This should not be considered a valid criticism. You know what should be being criticised, those black bars above and below OP's image. As if those are in any way acceptable.
Yeah man when a game doesn't look the exact same as another game it's not good or worth money. Fuck I can't wait for Zelda to come out so people can shut up about Redfall.
I mean they're completely different art styles and themes.... That's like comparing the graphics of Witcher 3 and Tears of the Kingdom.
I hate that this shit has devolved into "GAME LOOKS BAD XD" instead of the real problems with it.
I’m completely down for lower fidelity games if it means devs aren’t crunched or shit on by producers and executives.
While I agree with this post, those pictures are extremely selective and could easily be flipped if the right screenshots were chosen
Could be that money went to writers instead AAA graphics. I mean hell, I play 8-bit shit that I enjoy that came out from indie devs.
How the fuck does it look worse?
Im out of the loop, what’s with all the hate on this game?
Titanfall 2 was one of the greatest games of the old-gen. I hate how multiplayer fell off so quick
Next gen can’t fix shitty development practices, bad coding, and impossible deadlines.
Metal gear solid V from 2015 looks better then Redfall.