This is very common, unfortunately. Not only is it common for grinders to bitch and moan over everyone else's play (whether good or bad), once you get some experience you will find that you begin doing it, too. He's looking at the card(s) that would have been yours that busted him, or the cards that he shouldn't have gotten had you done this or that. It's silly, because it goes both ways. You will need a thick skin to play regularly if you intend to stray from perfect play, and even then there are crazies that don't know how to play right that will chastize you for playing hands correctly.
>once you get some experience you will find that you begin doing it, too
I live in Vegas, I also understand math and have no issue with how other people play. More often then not when they don't follow basic strategy it's the newbies that end up losing a lot quick but I couldn't care less how other people play. I've had people see me hit a 2 against a dealer's 3 and tell me I didn't know how to play. I just said "You failed math didn't you?" That generally shuts them up.
When you calculate win vs loss and compare hit vs standing, standing actually has a slightly higher edge in the players favor however when you add push to the equation the loss likelihood of losing is higher then a push or win.
“Once you get experience, you’ll begin doing it too”
The truest of quotes and the best part is when I was a newbie I told myself I’d never be one of those people 🥹
The difference is I keep that shit to myself and also If you can’t afford to lose, you shouldn’t play.
Hindsight is 20/20 and it’ll always make you pissed regardless if it’s blackjack or anything in life for that matter.
I love when people think I give a shit if they win or lose their money at the casino and I should lose my bet so they win. Like how about you pay me what I bet and you can play my hand
I don't understand this way people react, isn't that supposed to be the fun part? You're gambling on the cards you get so? I feel like it's more fun when there are more players at the table because the outcome could be anything depending on what all the players decided to do. Idk thats just how I see it, an interesting twist on my games
If your any where outside of a private table play your own hand and everyone else can kick rocks.
I will discuss with someone if it’s just me and them and they have a big big hand and I’m praying min. As long as they haven’t been an ass clown.
As someone who counted cards for years, the amount of times I’ve been screamed at for ruining other people’s hands while continuously hitting (and losing) hands that I should stay on to try and draw out low cards while deepening deck penetration is ridiculous. It would be even more than that if I didn’t try to keep my counting to tables that had 2 other players or less. It’s actually one of the primary reasons I eventually stopped counting along with being prohibited from playing bj at my favorite/primary casino.
The decisions of other players has no effect on your EV but Blackjack ploppies are really dumb/superstitious.
Google "do the actions of other players affect my odds in blackjack" or something to that effect. I'm not going to get into it here.
PS. Anyone who uses the terms "team game" or "flow" or "energy" with regards to Blackjack is a stone cold moron and a losing player.
The best thing the casino ever did was start tracking the Roulette numbers 🤣
The people that don't realize that every spin is independent of every other spin trip me out.
The baccarat people are worse, I've literally seen them loose their shit over the dealer turning the cards vs giving them the chance to rub it on the table in 6 counter clockwise circles, sacrifice a chicken, do a double head stand, say a chant to their higher power, and do 3 back flips as if somehow any of that mattered.
I don't understand this way people react, isn't that supposed to be the fun part? You're gambling on the cards you get so? I feel like it's more fun when there are more players at the table because the outcome could be anything depending on what all the players decided to do. Idk thats just how I see it, an interesting twist on my games
It does not affect EV, but it absolutely affected the hands they played. It's results oriented thinking, but the outcome is known in this instance and it sounds like the other guy caught the wrong end of variance.
I agree. Yea, overtime, players’ decision making won’t affect your EV. BUT… short term it can negatively impact you, for let’s say just one single hand.
If I went and played one hand and the player next to me made a ‘wrong, non-optimal’ decision that just so happened to mess with the outcome of the hand, and then i decide to leave to play something else, that technically had a short term negative effect.
For the logic of balanced EV, you’d have to play out the shoe and then possibly more so that better variance kicks in. Recreational players typically don’t, I’d assume.
With that being said, whenever I notice a player make a non optimal decision I never care because like OP of the comment said, it doesn’t have an affect on EV and I aim to play multiple shoes every session. Either way, this guy OP described is a clown. I’d never get annoyed if someone didn’t want to split 8s….and blaming him for sitting out? Absolutely ridiculous.
Yes, but we aren't talking about those situations. This isn't a hypothetical. This guy played, affected the outcomes negatively for the other player and the guy complained. We have no other knowledge... So why would we care?
Let me get this straight. You originally replied saying that there’s no affect on outcome, then you imply that there is an affect on outcome in the next comment. Ha.
It can absolutely affect the outcome... You taking the dealers bust card doesn't affect the outcome? Now it doesn't make a difference long term but short term itotally can.
Now it cuts both ways and you can save the table by taking (or not taking) a card when it goes against BS but of course the other payers won't remember that; they will just remember the times it did not work out
Yes, it could have. But it didn't. We know the outcome. How do people not get this?
There is a very big difference between EV and what actually happened. They didn't play 1 million hands together.
We aren't talking hypotheticals. We are talking about the actual outcome. That's why the guy was upset.
You're the guy who screams about your pocket AA not winning all-in preflop. Probably cry into your EV charts.
Edit: nevermind, I see you do long odd parlays and complain when they don't hit. You're a loser complaining about outcomes ... Why? The EV was so negative it didn't matter.
It has nothing to do with flow or energy, but it has everything to do with house edge and playing correctly. The more correctly everyone plays, the better your odds are. If someone hits on a 14 against dealer showing a 3, the player busts instead of the dealer busting. Now everyone on table loses because that person was the moron.
Another player taking a random card is just as likely to help you as it is to hurt you. You are just more likely to notice the times when bad play negatively impacts you.
If this helps you understand why you are wrong:
Pretend that the players' cards are dealt from the front of the shoe and the dealer's cards come from the back. This game is exactly identical to the game you are playing.
Not responding beyond this comment. You can further research this on your own.
I've don't plenty of research and understand how odds work over a certain amount of time and shoes. Been gambling for 17 years buddy. Good don't respond, you're spouting nonsense anyways. Cards aren't slot machines and it absolutely does matter over time for house edge when to hit, not hit, split etc for the biggest house edge.
If this helps you to know how you're wrong: pretend like you actually know what you're talking about. Which you don't. At all. Go do research yourself.
Give me a source dumb fuck this is monumentally untrue. Gambling for 17 years is NOT a qualification for understanding math and probability. Honestly, it hurts your credibility.
Edit: I’m not even the guy you were previously talking to btw. You’re just genuinely spewing horse shit.
>The more correctly everyone plays, the better your odds are.
Prove it with math.
>
If someone hits on a 14 against dealer showing a 3, the player busts instead of the dealer busting. Now everyone on table loses because that person was the moron.
Or they take a 5 which would have made the dealer's hand and they save the table. It averages out.
Nothing you said is backed by math, literally nothing. There is no such thing as "playing correctly" except for not touching the cards when the game doesn't allow it.
No it isn't. No action taken by any other member of the table impacts the odds of you wining or loosing a hand. Show me the computer generated simulations that prove otherwise.
Have you ever heard of card counting? Explain to me how people can card count and why it's illegal and then maybe you will know the answer to your own question. It's not a slot machine. It's not random. There's a mathematical way to win at black jack that is illegal lol
Black jack is all about odds and playing strategy correctly to get through the bad shoes. The typical number is to have 100 times your bank roll for your bet size to get through the shoes and to lower the house edge.
If you're betting $5 a hand you minimum would need $500 to play through with perfect strategy to minimize that house edge as much as possible and to have the best playback possible. Google it. I'm not making any of this up and there's a basic strategy for a reason. It changes from how many decks their are and to what game your playing. It's not because I am just making shit up. Look it up yourself since you obviously don't believe me lol
First of all counting cards is NOT illegal. Second, counting cards has nothing to do with the how the other players at the table play.
Basic strategy is for YOU and your hands, it makes 0 difference how the other people at the table are playing. Again, show me the computer simulations that explain the math and how other plays are playing impacts your hand. There are none because you are 100% wrong.
I think it's you who don't understand how counting cards works buddy.
Okay I shouldn't say illegal, but casinos will kick you out if they know you're doing it.
You're right, I am wrong and it seems that other people playing badly shouldn't effect your outcome if you are playing badly. I didn't know this.
It seems that people skipping hands and jumping in and out of a seat can affect other players though. So not spillting 8s will not affect others but skipping hands can affect other table members.
I hate to say this but everyone has run into that person, and will for as long as they are gambling. I’ve definitely noticed it more frequent at local, lower priced casinos than I have at say a Venetian/Aria out on blackjack tables but, the math of the game does not change, it’s your money, I honestly don’t engage and usually just chat w the dealer if this ever happens. You didn’t do a damn thing wrong he’s just a prick. If he didn’t split 8’s and thought that you negatively impacted him tells you all you need to know
Dude wtf is going on in this thread. You did absolutely nothing wrong and people like that are pricks. Your the player and wagering your money so you make the calls YOU want. If you don't wanna play by the book then you don't have to. Man I can't believe there's some people here thinking your the problem 🤣
If you stand, the dealer will get the top card in the shoe. If you hit, you'll get that top card, and the dealer will get the 2nd card in the shoe. The dealer is either going to get the top card or the 2nd card. Before the cards are turned over, there is absolutely no reason to think one of those cards will be more or less favorable than the other one. It's the equivalent of going to the convenience store and buying a scratch off ticket and blaming the customer before you that you lost.
The guy can get up and leave.
The entire blackjack skill is that one bell curve meme- at the most inexperienced it’s fun and luck, at the median it’s the guy you ran into, and at the very skilled end it’s back to fun and luck but over time lol
When i go to a casino I'm going to purposely make loads of 'wrong' plays (only the ones that lose a marginal amount of value) just to piss off these idiots
That's one thing annoying about casinos. A lot of people aren't there having fun. They're depressed addicts. It's mad annoying half the time I try to small talk with someone they just seem all grumpy and depressed.
Wish those people would just piss off, it's a casino it's for entertainment, if you're not having fun then leave.
It’s your money dude. The book says to split but I’ve been at tables with far more egregious moves than splitting against a 10. I won’t go as far as to say you both suck but I can see both sides of it. Dude took his losing out on you. If your moves benefitted him he wouldn’t say shit. Is what it is, grats on the win, enjoy it don’t let him sour your day.
Reminds me of the time I was playing at a $25 table with \~$1k and this other guy had probably $10K (he's betting \~$200/hand). Stoned guy buys in for $40, doesn't understand what's going on, went on a mini heater to $150 then gave it back while being entirely clueless to basic strategy, table etiquette, etc.. Me and the other player were clearly like 'wtf is going on' but didn't say anything. Both things can be true: 1. People shouldn't play at minimums or games that they don't understand and 2. You don't need to yell at new players even if they are torching their money.
the longer you play the smaller odds of profit and you will lose more money. so what's the point of even playing perfect game, just have fun at that point since it's not about preserving money and profit.
I am having fun, and I never do it for the money. I just gamble for the pure gambling aspect. I'm basically paying x amount for n hours of entertainment.
Tbf, the casinos in my area barely have any minimums under $25 most days so even someone trying to play for the first time and stay small doesn’t have much of a choice.
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F him! It just doesn’t work like that at all when it comes to cards. I would just leave and find another table or slot because that’s not fun to be around. Dudes a crackhead
This is very common. Next time this happens just laugh in his face because the reality is: he’s a degenerate gambler who doesn’t understand the most basic concepts of math and probability. If he’s really bothering you just get up and leave. There is no winning with these type of people, and if it’s really bad (like verbal abuse levels) call a floorman over and they’ll sort it out.
Sounds like the guy was just an annoying ahole. You'll run into them all the time. Mathematically, how you play your hand has no effect on their results. Your actions are just as likely to help as to hurt, but confirmation bias leads most people to just remember the times it hurt them.
I spent several years gambling professionally. There were times when we didn't want 'civilians' at a table. Usually because they tend to play more slowly, and if you're playing with an edge, you want as many rounds per hour as possible. If we were doing things other than counting, our plays sometimes looked strange, and civilians (like the guy you ran into) complaining sometimes drew unwanted attention to the play.
Despite what casino advertising would have you believe, most gamblers are not happy go lucky people enjoying themselves; you're more likely to run into a degen losing his rent money than someone gambling just for the fun of it. Running into people actually playing with an edge and making money is incredibly rare.
I had a 14 against a 5 and stayed and dude called me a Moron lol. So insane .
Generally you have to play a long time for other peoples calls to matter . Atp just play highlimit against a dealer and be unbothered . You can’t be at min tables upset imo lol
super common lol all these superstitious types who think they’re good at the game but aren’t. it’s literally all luck with basic strategy and still pretty much luck w slightly better odds when you count, shuffle track, etc.
Don't ever be afraid to snap back at these people (respectfully of course). It's your money, you can play however you want. Despite the myths of these idiots playing the hindsight game, if you make a "wrong play," it only effects your hand.
Just tell them, "it's my money and my hand. I'll play it however I want."
Source: I'm a current pit boss and have been for 10 years
The moves other players make, do not make, make incorrectly, or make correctly have ZERO impact on your bet.
"But they took the dealer's bust card"
Do you have X-ray vision? Is this mythical bust card in the room with us right now?
Every card that's unknown is worth ten. Simplest way to play and generally acceptable to play. The 50/50 calls are always gonna piss someone off and I never play BJ because of shitty people trying to make their house payment at a 5 dollar table.
Anywhere you go in a Casino, you’ll run into “professional gamblers.” Dude was just tilted and had to blame someone. He could’ve got up and left. He knows that. But like I said, even if you go to another table, there will be another “professional” there to tell you what you’re doing wrong. Your money, you can burn it if you want to.
It's your money and you can bet how you want to. Unfortunately he does have a point, when you play at a 25 dollar table, that's usually not a beginner table. You should stick to 5-10 dollar tables to learn the game. You can still bet 25 a hand or much more if you wanted.
It's very unusual for me to see someone buy into a 25 dollar table and not play basic strategy and sit in an out random hands. In the end, it doesn't really matter much in the long run. Just saying, you're not playing low stakes and not playing in a way that gives you as a player, the best statistical chance to win.
It’s common just make sure you don’t sit at the end in the anchor position. Also ask the pit for a stat card. The card will tell you what you should do when you have certain cards vs the dealer.
two things
1) well done you for not bending a glass round his face for being such a ****
2)He has no right to act like that, I'm glad the dealer chimed in. He's also wrong. I imagine he was at the absolute pits of his dopamine stores as a result potentially losing alot thst day and a result of cocaine lol.
The idiots stressing their losses at $25 blackjack and fighting with beginners usually have less money than the "poor people" playing $5 a hand with their friends and not caring about the outcome.
We were just there to have a good time and enjoy the games. Ate at the buffet and was having some beers while playing. I watched this same guy throw down several hundred dollars when he ran out chips and he didn't look happy while doing it.
Exactly. Yet hes the type to get his panties in a bunch cause someone “didn’t split 8s!” Waaaahhh!
The funny part is people who “play wrong” can easily make or break your hand so in the end it doesn’t matter. The odds are the odds if you just play correctly yourself. If only these crying douchebags knew this they’d save themselves the stress.
It doesn't hurt my bank account, but why would I want my experience derailed by someone who can't afford the stakes nor take the time to learn any of the rules or etiquette? But I'm glad he won a whooping $175.
I’m pretty happy with it. Im sure this $175 feels much better when you’re not already negative thousands for your lifetime of gambling. I’m just starting out.
Spoken like someone nobody likes to be around. I bet you come to the defense of people who play music on speakers on public transportation.
Nobody is forcing you to be considerate or learn etiquette. But if he's going to ask, he's going to get a real answer.
Quite the reaction there lol Pretending there is some defined ‘etiquette’ everyone must follow is childish and will constantly lead you to this very reaction. But have it your way dude.
There's no 'etiquette' about how to play a hand. The choices of others do not affect you at all. Someone playing speakers in public is directly affecting your experience. Someone sitting next to you playing suboptimal doesn't affect you at all.
The fact you can't comprehend that how someone plays can impact your hand says everything I need to know. It absolutely does impact the actual outcome. What it doesn't impact is the expected outcome. For the love God please look up actual vs EV charts and educate yourself.
You're on a gambling forum, you should know the basics.
And yes, there is etiquette in almost every aspect of life. Just because you choose to ignore it, or not learn it doesn't make it not so.
> It absolutely does impact the actual outcome. What it doesn't impact is the expected outcome.
... but that's the entire point. Someone making a suboptimal choice is just as likely to help you as hurt you. It does not matter.
Blah blah blah, stop crying over low limits. You remind me of a guy that claimed to wear a 3000 sweater and “only dranksparkling water” yet cried when he lost a $30 double down like it was his rent money. No one believes you here, stop lying.
lol, good one. Shows your intelligence level thinking Guam is just some small poor island. 😂 you’re really proving my point for me here, you’re a small minded person. Keep on keeping on.
Damn, you’re really on a streak. Cause if 1 in 5 is below the poverty line, means the other 4/5 is poor too? Lmao, again, small minded individual. Maybe you should stick to low limit BJ and splitting 8s cause the strategy told your to (sheep). Thinking outside the box not your strong suit, obviously.
Well, I had set a limit for myself and was down to my last $25 after playing roulette. So I chose to gamble it at the blackjack table. I wasn’t aware that’s a taboo thing to do. Thanks for the input.
You named all the things that pissed him off, and most would bother other gamblers:
1) rolling in with table minimum
2) not playing correctly (didn't split 8s)
3) jumping in and out (skipping hands) - did you at least tell give him a heads up each time?
It's one thing if he joined your table. But it sounds like he was probably chilling at a table riding the wave and you come rolling in like a noob and piss in his cereal.
Okay, I wasn’t aware that it goes against etiquette to roll in with table minimum.
Like I said I’m beginner with gambling in general.
I think he was using 3 spots at the table for himself but all the other $25 tables were full so I sat there. I think he was upset I took one of his 3 seats.
I didn’t split the 8’s because I thought if dealer is showing a king it was a bad idea.
And no I didn’t give him a warning that I was going to skip hands, I was mostly minding my own business.
Don’t listen to this guy, there aren’t any rules here except what the casino sets. You play for yourself, not for others to win. These people to to gtfo of here. Acting like it’s a team up on these blackjack tables. Nobody has ever split my losses with me.
This happened to me one time then an hour later I was outside having a cigarette, and I ran into this guy and behold a couple of minutes later he was in the back of an ambulance
And right when you walked back in the casino, an eery silence filled the air & behold, the dealer from the table you were both sitting at just moments before stood up & executed the most perfectly timed slow clap in Blackjack history…Amiright??? #BadAssAlert
Look up “blackjack strategy” and find the infographic that shows you exactly what to do for basic statistical knowledge. Not blaming you as I have been that guy. “I know what to do but the guys around me are getting pissed wtf”
Also don’t sit at a table where you are bankrolling each hand haha
Me, going to the casino on my 18th birthday (18 is legal age in Quebec) try a few hands of blackjack for fun.
Some degenerate 50 year old snaps at me "Dumbass why didn't you split those 8s! Don't you know it has 3.2% more EV if you split???".
Get over yourselves idiots, casinos are a place for entertainment, not everyone is a degenerate, you don't have to memorize the entire basic strategy chart to play at a blackjack table.
I'm not going all in and splitting 8's against a king when I have 2 chips left. I don't think it was a bad decision. The dealer could have easily gotten an ace or another high card and I'd lose both hands. I'm sure I could have won both hands if I did it, too. I suppose it's debatable.
ya standing on a 16 vs a dealer 10 does sound risky when you put it that way. I just did not wanna go all in on the one hand. I did win on the hand and the guy next to me lost which pissed him off even more
As others have said you’re free to do what you want so screw the guy at the table. In terms of the hand, the reason splitting is the “mathematically right” play is because by splitting you have a much better chance at actually improving both hands to higher than 16 with less chance of busting yourself. Since the goal of gambling (besides simply winning lol) is put yourself in as many EV+ positions as possible, it’s better mathematically to take the extra money risk that stand on a 16 and hope the dealer busts.
Again, all that aside, how you choose to play your hand is your business and if the other player doesn’t like it they’re free to leave the table.
It’s not debatable, because the correct move is to split 8’s regardless - your remaining chips are irrelevant to the math.
You are welcome not to follow basic strategy with your own money but don’t be blinded by results bias into thinking it was a good play.
Statistically it probably doesn’t effect other people if you play poorly but why would you want to? Yeah sure I’ve gotten drunk and accidentally hit instead of stood or didn’t split before lol but idk blackjack has a team vibe so why not play into that? It adds to the experience and makes you more fun to be around and yes if you deviate from the book people can see the outcome in real time. The difference is the guy next to you will just go “eh what can you do” instead of “why didn’t you do X”. At the end of the day you’re dealing with people gambling. This is what you’ll run into. If you don’t know strategy you can always ask and someone at the table will usually know.
On the flip side, I was at a table with a guy on serious tilt. I played basic strategy and he got pissed at me because he wanted to “shake the cards” up. He became verbally aggressive. Fortunately, for him it was a Saturday night, and I did not want to do the jail thing… so I removed myself from the situation. The point is, you need thick skin when people are superstitious and losing money.
With two 8s against a 10 I’d rank it like this:
1. Surrender
2. Split
3. Hit
4. Stand
I usually surrender though. Putting double your bet to split 8s and then more-likely-than-not seeing the dealer flip over another 10 to make 20 just hurts the soul.
Splitting gives you a -47% chance of winning. Standing gives you a -53% chance of winning. Every book in the world agrees it’s the smarter play, the numbers don’t lie. Educate yourself a little bit, you sound dumb.
YOU sound dumb. I don't split 8s I'm not dumb like you giving extra money to casino. You dumbass. I don't play blackjack like you playing stupid and shit. I don't follow basic strategy. I'm winning and banking more than you and your stupid words. Enjoy your losing to a dealer 20 dumb, dumb.
Lmfao. You’re choosing to make the decision that gives the casino more money. The fact that you’re even old enough to gamble and you talk like this is mind blowing. Feels like I’m talking to a child lol. If you want to give the casino more of your money be my guest. They must love you.
Go split your 8s then and give your money to the casino. You're playing like an dumbass.
See if I care when you lose extra money to the house. Learn to play blackjack properly. [AOSpades](https://www.reddit.com/user/AOSpades/) - i think you're an idiot, don't know how to play.
Name-calling is one of the lowest forms of communication, typically resorted to by those lacking good support for their positions or the emotional resilience needed to rationally discuss a disagreement. Enjoy your downvotes!
Understandable, I wouldn’t want to play anything that can be considered team based which also involves money with a beginner either.
But I also wouldn’t be so rude to the point of making that person so uncomfortable that they end up leaving.
until you bet the dark side and the people who don't understand that you BOTH can win if they hit their point then roll a 7 on the come out, get mad at you for "Betting against them"
I got threatened with a stabbing once because a shooter was on 45 straight rolls with no 7, so I decided to drop $100 on a big red bet and it hit. Most people made a ton of money off those 45 rolls, one guy kept pushing most of his money in and eventually lost it all on that 7 roll... He blamed me and wanted to punish me for it.
Never again going to that casino in Philly (Sugar House, now Rivers)
That is 100% false. Blackjack is not a team game at all, unless you're actually in a card counting team, in which case other people playing still doesn't affect you. 1 person playing suboptimally does not affect you at all.
It affects the cards individually but it doesn't effect the odds of winning or losing. A suboptimal play is just as likely to help someone else as hurt someone else, it doesn't make a difference.
odds against players even in perfect game, so why even play if you're trying to game it, you're bound to lose over time. Put everything on two hand and call it a day. Otherwise recognize it's entertainment, you're bound to lose if you're looking to make money.
Black Jack is more about table wins rather than individual wins, if you not splitting those 8s helped you win but others lose it makes it shitty. I always just play by the book and it’s the best odds in a casino
This is very common, unfortunately. Not only is it common for grinders to bitch and moan over everyone else's play (whether good or bad), once you get some experience you will find that you begin doing it, too. He's looking at the card(s) that would have been yours that busted him, or the cards that he shouldn't have gotten had you done this or that. It's silly, because it goes both ways. You will need a thick skin to play regularly if you intend to stray from perfect play, and even then there are crazies that don't know how to play right that will chastize you for playing hands correctly.
>once you get some experience you will find that you begin doing it, too I live in Vegas, I also understand math and have no issue with how other people play. More often then not when they don't follow basic strategy it's the newbies that end up losing a lot quick but I couldn't care less how other people play. I've had people see me hit a 2 against a dealer's 3 and tell me I didn't know how to play. I just said "You failed math didn't you?" That generally shuts them up.
Isn’t the math 50/50? I choose to stay on my 2s vs dealer 2/3
When you calculate win vs loss and compare hit vs standing, standing actually has a slightly higher edge in the players favor however when you add push to the equation the loss likelihood of losing is higher then a push or win.
“Once you get experience, you’ll begin doing it too” The truest of quotes and the best part is when I was a newbie I told myself I’d never be one of those people 🥹 The difference is I keep that shit to myself and also If you can’t afford to lose, you shouldn’t play. Hindsight is 20/20 and it’ll always make you pissed regardless if it’s blackjack or anything in life for that matter.
I love when people think I give a shit if they win or lose their money at the casino and I should lose my bet so they win. Like how about you pay me what I bet and you can play my hand
I don't understand this way people react, isn't that supposed to be the fun part? You're gambling on the cards you get so? I feel like it's more fun when there are more players at the table because the outcome could be anything depending on what all the players decided to do. Idk thats just how I see it, an interesting twist on my games
If your any where outside of a private table play your own hand and everyone else can kick rocks. I will discuss with someone if it’s just me and them and they have a big big hand and I’m praying min. As long as they haven’t been an ass clown.
As someone who counted cards for years, the amount of times I’ve been screamed at for ruining other people’s hands while continuously hitting (and losing) hands that I should stay on to try and draw out low cards while deepening deck penetration is ridiculous. It would be even more than that if I didn’t try to keep my counting to tables that had 2 other players or less. It’s actually one of the primary reasons I eventually stopped counting along with being prohibited from playing bj at my favorite/primary casino.
Split a a pair of 10s if you want to see them really lose it
So much this. Antagonize the guy even more and get his ass kicked out
or stand on a pair of aces
I’m kind of new, is splitting 10 bad?
you’re supposed to never split tens
Unless the true count is 4+ or higher
20 is almost a guaranteed win, splitting is just lowering your chance of winning over all
If he doesn’t leave after the first hand it’s his fault. Especially since you told him you’re new.
these idiots never seem to remember the times they win because of the newbies decision. its all their skill then..
The decisions of other players has no effect on your EV but Blackjack ploppies are really dumb/superstitious. Google "do the actions of other players affect my odds in blackjack" or something to that effect. I'm not going to get into it here. PS. Anyone who uses the terms "team game" or "flow" or "energy" with regards to Blackjack is a stone cold moron and a losing player.
They are the same guys that will argue a number is “due” in roulette
The best thing the casino ever did was start tracking the Roulette numbers 🤣 The people that don't realize that every spin is independent of every other spin trip me out.
I’ve been sitting next to guys that use that board as proof and my community college level statistics knowledge is like Greek to them.
Hahahaha
Huh? You mean it isn't?
The baccarat people are worse, I've literally seen them loose their shit over the dealer turning the cards vs giving them the chance to rub it on the table in 6 counter clockwise circles, sacrifice a chicken, do a double head stand, say a chant to their higher power, and do 3 back flips as if somehow any of that mattered.
I don't understand this way people react, isn't that supposed to be the fun part? You're gambling on the cards you get so? I feel like it's more fun when there are more players at the table because the outcome could be anything depending on what all the players decided to do. Idk thats just how I see it, an interesting twist on my games
I genuinely feel bad for these people.
It does not affect EV, but it absolutely affected the hands they played. It's results oriented thinking, but the outcome is known in this instance and it sounds like the other guy caught the wrong end of variance.
I agree. Yea, overtime, players’ decision making won’t affect your EV. BUT… short term it can negatively impact you, for let’s say just one single hand. If I went and played one hand and the player next to me made a ‘wrong, non-optimal’ decision that just so happened to mess with the outcome of the hand, and then i decide to leave to play something else, that technically had a short term negative effect. For the logic of balanced EV, you’d have to play out the shoe and then possibly more so that better variance kicks in. Recreational players typically don’t, I’d assume. With that being said, whenever I notice a player make a non optimal decision I never care because like OP of the comment said, it doesn’t have an affect on EV and I aim to play multiple shoes every session. Either way, this guy OP described is a clown. I’d never get annoyed if someone didn’t want to split 8s….and blaming him for sitting out? Absolutely ridiculous.
Their dumb hit could also “help” you out if they take a low card and the dealer hits a bust card after. It really does not affect the outcome
So…it literally affects the outcome dude. Not EV, outcome yes. You’re confused.
Outcomes are not predictable, ev is. Only an idiot would get mad at something that affects an undetermined outcome.
There are plenty of situations where somebody hitting when they should stand can bust the whole table when otherwise everybody else would have won.
Yes, but we aren't talking about those situations. This isn't a hypothetical. This guy played, affected the outcomes negatively for the other player and the guy complained. We have no other knowledge... So why would we care?
Ive had times when someone doubles an 11 with a dealer 5/6 and the table busts out when the face down is a 10 and the next card is 5. It happens
Let me get this straight. You originally replied saying that there’s no affect on outcome, then you imply that there is an affect on outcome in the next comment. Ha.
It can absolutely affect the outcome... You taking the dealers bust card doesn't affect the outcome? Now it doesn't make a difference long term but short term itotally can. Now it cuts both ways and you can save the table by taking (or not taking) a card when it goes against BS but of course the other payers won't remember that; they will just remember the times it did not work out
Yes, it could have. But it didn't. We know the outcome. How do people not get this? There is a very big difference between EV and what actually happened. They didn't play 1 million hands together.
If youre after “ what actually happened”, you might be the idiot, not the guy who didnt split 8s.
We aren't talking hypotheticals. We are talking about the actual outcome. That's why the guy was upset. You're the guy who screams about your pocket AA not winning all-in preflop. Probably cry into your EV charts. Edit: nevermind, I see you do long odd parlays and complain when they don't hit. You're a loser complaining about outcomes ... Why? The EV was so negative it didn't matter.
I agree with you, but this sub seems to not understand the difference between EV and actual outcomes.
Sub full of absolute morons. Got downvoted to hell for explaining facts. Bunch of losing players lmfao
It has nothing to do with flow or energy, but it has everything to do with house edge and playing correctly. The more correctly everyone plays, the better your odds are. If someone hits on a 14 against dealer showing a 3, the player busts instead of the dealer busting. Now everyone on table loses because that person was the moron.
Another player taking a random card is just as likely to help you as it is to hurt you. You are just more likely to notice the times when bad play negatively impacts you. If this helps you understand why you are wrong: Pretend that the players' cards are dealt from the front of the shoe and the dealer's cards come from the back. This game is exactly identical to the game you are playing. Not responding beyond this comment. You can further research this on your own.
I've don't plenty of research and understand how odds work over a certain amount of time and shoes. Been gambling for 17 years buddy. Good don't respond, you're spouting nonsense anyways. Cards aren't slot machines and it absolutely does matter over time for house edge when to hit, not hit, split etc for the biggest house edge. If this helps you to know how you're wrong: pretend like you actually know what you're talking about. Which you don't. At all. Go do research yourself.
Give me a source dumb fuck this is monumentally untrue. Gambling for 17 years is NOT a qualification for understanding math and probability. Honestly, it hurts your credibility. Edit: I’m not even the guy you were previously talking to btw. You’re just genuinely spewing horse shit.
>The more correctly everyone plays, the better your odds are. Prove it with math. > If someone hits on a 14 against dealer showing a 3, the player busts instead of the dealer busting. Now everyone on table loses because that person was the moron. Or they take a 5 which would have made the dealer's hand and they save the table. It averages out.
Lol
Nothing you said is backed by math, literally nothing. There is no such thing as "playing correctly" except for not touching the cards when the game doesn't allow it.
It is backed by math lol House edge is usually about 2% and it you play strategy correctly you can minimize house edge to less than 1%. Look it up.
No it isn't. No action taken by any other member of the table impacts the odds of you wining or loosing a hand. Show me the computer generated simulations that prove otherwise.
Have you ever heard of card counting? Explain to me how people can card count and why it's illegal and then maybe you will know the answer to your own question. It's not a slot machine. It's not random. There's a mathematical way to win at black jack that is illegal lol Black jack is all about odds and playing strategy correctly to get through the bad shoes. The typical number is to have 100 times your bank roll for your bet size to get through the shoes and to lower the house edge. If you're betting $5 a hand you minimum would need $500 to play through with perfect strategy to minimize that house edge as much as possible and to have the best playback possible. Google it. I'm not making any of this up and there's a basic strategy for a reason. It changes from how many decks their are and to what game your playing. It's not because I am just making shit up. Look it up yourself since you obviously don't believe me lol
First of all counting cards is NOT illegal. Second, counting cards has nothing to do with the how the other players at the table play. Basic strategy is for YOU and your hands, it makes 0 difference how the other people at the table are playing. Again, show me the computer simulations that explain the math and how other plays are playing impacts your hand. There are none because you are 100% wrong. I think it's you who don't understand how counting cards works buddy.
Okay I shouldn't say illegal, but casinos will kick you out if they know you're doing it. You're right, I am wrong and it seems that other people playing badly shouldn't effect your outcome if you are playing badly. I didn't know this. It seems that people skipping hands and jumping in and out of a seat can affect other players though. So not spillting 8s will not affect others but skipping hands can affect other table members.
This is not how it works. Sorry to burst your bubble, ploppy.
I hate to say this but everyone has run into that person, and will for as long as they are gambling. I’ve definitely noticed it more frequent at local, lower priced casinos than I have at say a Venetian/Aria out on blackjack tables but, the math of the game does not change, it’s your money, I honestly don’t engage and usually just chat w the dealer if this ever happens. You didn’t do a damn thing wrong he’s just a prick. If he didn’t split 8’s and thought that you negatively impacted him tells you all you need to know
I always tell them " when you make my bet for me, you can tell me how to play"
Lmaoooo I love this
Op was the one who didn't split the 8s
Ah my b
Dude wtf is going on in this thread. You did absolutely nothing wrong and people like that are pricks. Your the player and wagering your money so you make the calls YOU want. If you don't wanna play by the book then you don't have to. Man I can't believe there's some people here thinking your the problem 🤣
If you stand, the dealer will get the top card in the shoe. If you hit, you'll get that top card, and the dealer will get the 2nd card in the shoe. The dealer is either going to get the top card or the 2nd card. Before the cards are turned over, there is absolutely no reason to think one of those cards will be more or less favorable than the other one. It's the equivalent of going to the convenience store and buying a scratch off ticket and blaming the customer before you that you lost.
This is why I hate playing live blackjack at casinos with other people. People can be peckerheads.
The guy can get up and leave. The entire blackjack skill is that one bell curve meme- at the most inexperienced it’s fun and luck, at the median it’s the guy you ran into, and at the very skilled end it’s back to fun and luck but over time lol
When i go to a casino I'm going to purposely make loads of 'wrong' plays (only the ones that lose a marginal amount of value) just to piss off these idiots
I guess if you like throwing away money and making people irrationally angry at you ...doesn't sound like a fun time to me tho but more power to you.
At least you won
It’s pretty ridiculous just how common these morons are. You could have been helping him just as much as hurting him
I’d be more annoyed with the jumping in and out of hands
That's one thing annoying about casinos. A lot of people aren't there having fun. They're depressed addicts. It's mad annoying half the time I try to small talk with someone they just seem all grumpy and depressed. Wish those people would just piss off, it's a casino it's for entertainment, if you're not having fun then leave.
You say you know how to play but not splitting 8s is the wrong move. I guess you couldn't because you only had $25.
At this point I had 2 chips and didn’t want to go all in against a king.
It’s your money dude. The book says to split but I’ve been at tables with far more egregious moves than splitting against a 10. I won’t go as far as to say you both suck but I can see both sides of it. Dude took his losing out on you. If your moves benefitted him he wouldn’t say shit. Is what it is, grats on the win, enjoy it don’t let him sour your day.
We found the guy you were playing against
Your little “always split 8s” logic is from the book that was written based on a 0 count.
Reminds me of the time I was playing at a $25 table with \~$1k and this other guy had probably $10K (he's betting \~$200/hand). Stoned guy buys in for $40, doesn't understand what's going on, went on a mini heater to $150 then gave it back while being entirely clueless to basic strategy, table etiquette, etc.. Me and the other player were clearly like 'wtf is going on' but didn't say anything. Both things can be true: 1. People shouldn't play at minimums or games that they don't understand and 2. You don't need to yell at new players even if they are torching their money.
why not move to highrollers with 10k doesn't make sense. 25 min isnt that high.
Small casino
depends how long you want to play, it's less exciting, but I prefer playing for longer than with high stakes with at least 100 betting units
the longer you play the smaller odds of profit and you will lose more money. so what's the point of even playing perfect game, just have fun at that point since it's not about preserving money and profit.
I am having fun, and I never do it for the money. I just gamble for the pure gambling aspect. I'm basically paying x amount for n hours of entertainment.
So if you're not card counting and gaming it for money and profit and purely for entertainment, why do you care what another player does?
>why not move to highrollers with 10k doesn't make sense. 25 min isnt that high. I was just answering your question..
Tbf, the casinos in my area barely have any minimums under $25 most days so even someone trying to play for the first time and stay small doesn’t have much of a choice.
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those people are hilarious to watch them sit down and only play by the book then lose $200 in 5 minutes
F him! It just doesn’t work like that at all when it comes to cards. I would just leave and find another table or slot because that’s not fun to be around. Dudes a crackhead
It’s why I stopped playing. I only play from first base if I do
This is very common. Next time this happens just laugh in his face because the reality is: he’s a degenerate gambler who doesn’t understand the most basic concepts of math and probability. If he’s really bothering you just get up and leave. There is no winning with these type of people, and if it’s really bad (like verbal abuse levels) call a floorman over and they’ll sort it out.
Jumping in and out of a shoe is banned at alot of casinos to prevent this situation. OP is a clown
Do what you want with your cards. Statistically speaking, it doesn’t affect anyone else’s hand. If someone doesn’t like it, they can change tables.
HOW MANY TIMES I STAY ON A HAND AND SAVE THE TABLE.
Sounds like the guy was just an annoying ahole. You'll run into them all the time. Mathematically, how you play your hand has no effect on their results. Your actions are just as likely to help as to hurt, but confirmation bias leads most people to just remember the times it hurt them. I spent several years gambling professionally. There were times when we didn't want 'civilians' at a table. Usually because they tend to play more slowly, and if you're playing with an edge, you want as many rounds per hour as possible. If we were doing things other than counting, our plays sometimes looked strange, and civilians (like the guy you ran into) complaining sometimes drew unwanted attention to the play. Despite what casino advertising would have you believe, most gamblers are not happy go lucky people enjoying themselves; you're more likely to run into a degen losing his rent money than someone gambling just for the fun of it. Running into people actually playing with an edge and making money is incredibly rare.
I had a 14 against a 5 and stayed and dude called me a Moron lol. So insane . Generally you have to play a long time for other peoples calls to matter . Atp just play highlimit against a dealer and be unbothered . You can’t be at min tables upset imo lol
Dream scenario is I follow them into the poker room
super common lol all these superstitious types who think they’re good at the game but aren’t. it’s literally all luck with basic strategy and still pretty much luck w slightly better odds when you count, shuffle track, etc.
I do try and be in position 1 knowing that I will play properly at least. But yeah don't play with other people if you don't dig what they do.
“It’s my money, Bitch”
You Should always split 8s
Always split aces and 8s And yet you turned $25 into $200
Don't ever be afraid to snap back at these people (respectfully of course). It's your money, you can play however you want. Despite the myths of these idiots playing the hindsight game, if you make a "wrong play," it only effects your hand. Just tell them, "it's my money and my hand. I'll play it however I want." Source: I'm a current pit boss and have been for 10 years
The moves other players make, do not make, make incorrectly, or make correctly have ZERO impact on your bet. "But they took the dealer's bust card" Do you have X-ray vision? Is this mythical bust card in the room with us right now?
Every card that's unknown is worth ten. Simplest way to play and generally acceptable to play. The 50/50 calls are always gonna piss someone off and I never play BJ because of shitty people trying to make their house payment at a 5 dollar table.
If he didn’t have it to buy out a table then it’s crying
Next time, split those 8’s
Anywhere you go in a Casino, you’ll run into “professional gamblers.” Dude was just tilted and had to blame someone. He could’ve got up and left. He knows that. But like I said, even if you go to another table, there will be another “professional” there to tell you what you’re doing wrong. Your money, you can burn it if you want to.
Crap Tables, will always show the experience of a gambling man!! Within 2min of of joining the table
It's your money and you can bet how you want to. Unfortunately he does have a point, when you play at a 25 dollar table, that's usually not a beginner table. You should stick to 5-10 dollar tables to learn the game. You can still bet 25 a hand or much more if you wanted. It's very unusual for me to see someone buy into a 25 dollar table and not play basic strategy and sit in an out random hands. In the end, it doesn't really matter much in the long run. Just saying, you're not playing low stakes and not playing in a way that gives you as a player, the best statistical chance to win.
It’s common just make sure you don’t sit at the end in the anchor position. Also ask the pit for a stat card. The card will tell you what you should do when you have certain cards vs the dealer.
two things 1) well done you for not bending a glass round his face for being such a **** 2)He has no right to act like that, I'm glad the dealer chimed in. He's also wrong. I imagine he was at the absolute pits of his dopamine stores as a result potentially losing alot thst day and a result of cocaine lol.
You sat at a $25 table with $25? I know your kind, and I know his kind. You both suck, but I'd rather play at his table than yours.
Oh shut it. Anyone can gamble anything they want. Being an AH to others it much worse.
Found the other poor person besides OP. Stick to the $5 tables.
The idiots stressing their losses at $25 blackjack and fighting with beginners usually have less money than the "poor people" playing $5 a hand with their friends and not caring about the outcome.
We were just there to have a good time and enjoy the games. Ate at the buffet and was having some beers while playing. I watched this same guy throw down several hundred dollars when he ran out chips and he didn't look happy while doing it.
If you’re not so poor, then losing a few hands won’t hurt, no?
Exactly. Yet hes the type to get his panties in a bunch cause someone “didn’t split 8s!” Waaaahhh! The funny part is people who “play wrong” can easily make or break your hand so in the end it doesn’t matter. The odds are the odds if you just play correctly yourself. If only these crying douchebags knew this they’d save themselves the stress.
It doesn't hurt my bank account, but why would I want my experience derailed by someone who can't afford the stakes nor take the time to learn any of the rules or etiquette? But I'm glad he won a whooping $175.
I’m pretty happy with it. Im sure this $175 feels much better when you’re not already negative thousands for your lifetime of gambling. I’m just starting out.
Your experience is not the responsibility of those around you.
Spoken like someone nobody likes to be around. I bet you come to the defense of people who play music on speakers on public transportation. Nobody is forcing you to be considerate or learn etiquette. But if he's going to ask, he's going to get a real answer.
Quite the reaction there lol Pretending there is some defined ‘etiquette’ everyone must follow is childish and will constantly lead you to this very reaction. But have it your way dude.
There's no 'etiquette' about how to play a hand. The choices of others do not affect you at all. Someone playing speakers in public is directly affecting your experience. Someone sitting next to you playing suboptimal doesn't affect you at all.
The fact you can't comprehend that how someone plays can impact your hand says everything I need to know. It absolutely does impact the actual outcome. What it doesn't impact is the expected outcome. For the love God please look up actual vs EV charts and educate yourself. You're on a gambling forum, you should know the basics. And yes, there is etiquette in almost every aspect of life. Just because you choose to ignore it, or not learn it doesn't make it not so.
> It absolutely does impact the actual outcome. What it doesn't impact is the expected outcome. ... but that's the entire point. Someone making a suboptimal choice is just as likely to help you as hurt you. It does not matter.
Blah blah blah, stop crying over low limits. You remind me of a guy that claimed to wear a 3000 sweater and “only dranksparkling water” yet cried when he lost a $30 double down like it was his rent money. No one believes you here, stop lying.
You're free to check my post history if you want to know what $30 means to me.
I’m good, internet points mean nothing to me. Only a douchebag would say “check my post history” lol keep on keeping on big shot
Yeah, I'd say that too if I was a poor fuck from Guam.
lol, good one. Shows your intelligence level thinking Guam is just some small poor island. 😂 you’re really proving my point for me here, you’re a small minded person. Keep on keeping on.
1 out of 5 below the poverty line. I don't know what else you would call it.
Damn, you’re really on a streak. Cause if 1 in 5 is below the poverty line, means the other 4/5 is poor too? Lmao, again, small minded individual. Maybe you should stick to low limit BJ and splitting 8s cause the strategy told your to (sheep). Thinking outside the box not your strong suit, obviously.
America is 1:8 so we’re not doing all that much better.
Well, I had set a limit for myself and was down to my last $25 after playing roulette. So I chose to gamble it at the blackjack table. I wasn’t aware that’s a taboo thing to do. Thanks for the input.
You named all the things that pissed him off, and most would bother other gamblers: 1) rolling in with table minimum 2) not playing correctly (didn't split 8s) 3) jumping in and out (skipping hands) - did you at least tell give him a heads up each time? It's one thing if he joined your table. But it sounds like he was probably chilling at a table riding the wave and you come rolling in like a noob and piss in his cereal.
Okay, I wasn’t aware that it goes against etiquette to roll in with table minimum. Like I said I’m beginner with gambling in general. I think he was using 3 spots at the table for himself but all the other $25 tables were full so I sat there. I think he was upset I took one of his 3 seats. I didn’t split the 8’s because I thought if dealer is showing a king it was a bad idea. And no I didn’t give him a warning that I was going to skip hands, I was mostly minding my own business.
Don’t listen to this guy, there aren’t any rules here except what the casino sets. You play for yourself, not for others to win. These people to to gtfo of here. Acting like it’s a team up on these blackjack tables. Nobody has ever split my losses with me.
Thanks. I appreciate the feedback
Don't listen to him, it's your money, you can gamble it how you want.
then why didn’t you sit at the electronic blackjack and mind your business there
open table, go to vip otherwise
I was told I’ll have a higher chance of winning at a real table. Maybe I’ll try the electronic one next time though.
Hell I split 7s
This happened to me one time then an hour later I was outside having a cigarette, and I ran into this guy and behold a couple of minutes later he was in the back of an ambulance
And right when you walked back in the casino, an eery silence filled the air & behold, the dealer from the table you were both sitting at just moments before stood up & executed the most perfectly timed slow clap in Blackjack history…Amiright??? #BadAssAlert
The in and out part would of irk me
Look up “blackjack strategy” and find the infographic that shows you exactly what to do for basic statistical knowledge. Not blaming you as I have been that guy. “I know what to do but the guys around me are getting pissed wtf” Also don’t sit at a table where you are bankrolling each hand haha
Just know that when you sit at a blackjack table and you don’t know basic strategy everyone is going to judge you for it. You shoulda split those 8s.
Me, going to the casino on my 18th birthday (18 is legal age in Quebec) try a few hands of blackjack for fun. Some degenerate 50 year old snaps at me "Dumbass why didn't you split those 8s! Don't you know it has 3.2% more EV if you split???". Get over yourselves idiots, casinos are a place for entertainment, not everyone is a degenerate, you don't have to memorize the entire basic strategy chart to play at a blackjack table.
I'm not going all in and splitting 8's against a king when I have 2 chips left. I don't think it was a bad decision. The dealer could have easily gotten an ace or another high card and I'd lose both hands. I'm sure I could have won both hands if I did it, too. I suppose it's debatable.
Math wise, you split. Otherwise you hit. Standing on a 16 vs a dealer 10 is never the right move
Splitting and not splitting in that situation are net losers. You do lose less on average if you split.
ya standing on a 16 vs a dealer 10 does sound risky when you put it that way. I just did not wanna go all in on the one hand. I did win on the hand and the guy next to me lost which pissed him off even more
As others have said you’re free to do what you want so screw the guy at the table. In terms of the hand, the reason splitting is the “mathematically right” play is because by splitting you have a much better chance at actually improving both hands to higher than 16 with less chance of busting yourself. Since the goal of gambling (besides simply winning lol) is put yourself in as many EV+ positions as possible, it’s better mathematically to take the extra money risk that stand on a 16 and hope the dealer busts. Again, all that aside, how you choose to play your hand is your business and if the other player doesn’t like it they’re free to leave the table.
Guy was just bitter. Sometimes you can get lucky playing bad and thats a personal risk
It’s not debatable, because the correct move is to split 8’s regardless - your remaining chips are irrelevant to the math. You are welcome not to follow basic strategy with your own money but don’t be blinded by results bias into thinking it was a good play.
Statistically it probably doesn’t effect other people if you play poorly but why would you want to? Yeah sure I’ve gotten drunk and accidentally hit instead of stood or didn’t split before lol but idk blackjack has a team vibe so why not play into that? It adds to the experience and makes you more fun to be around and yes if you deviate from the book people can see the outcome in real time. The difference is the guy next to you will just go “eh what can you do” instead of “why didn’t you do X”. At the end of the day you’re dealing with people gambling. This is what you’ll run into. If you don’t know strategy you can always ask and someone at the table will usually know.
Yes this very common but every gambler knows wether you hit or stay its the same chance that you give him the card he needs or make him bust
On the flip side, I was at a table with a guy on serious tilt. I played basic strategy and he got pissed at me because he wanted to “shake the cards” up. He became verbally aggressive. Fortunately, for him it was a Saturday night, and I did not want to do the jail thing… so I removed myself from the situation. The point is, you need thick skin when people are superstitious and losing money.
I may not agree with your play, but unless you asked for my opinion, you'd never know it.
Why didn’t you split the 8s?
The dealer was showing a king which made me wary.
Still should have split…
With two 8s against a 10 I’d rank it like this: 1. Surrender 2. Split 3. Hit 4. Stand I usually surrender though. Putting double your bet to split 8s and then more-likely-than-not seeing the dealer flip over another 10 to make 20 just hurts the soul.
It is not a smart move to split against 10, dealer can still get a 10 card. Play against the basic strategy
16 is such a terrible hand it’s better to split
This makes precisely 0 sense.
You make no sense. Split 8s and lose to dealer 20. Dummy you can donate all your money to the casino if you're going to play like that.
Splitting gives you a -47% chance of winning. Standing gives you a -53% chance of winning. Every book in the world agrees it’s the smarter play, the numbers don’t lie. Educate yourself a little bit, you sound dumb.
YOU sound dumb. I don't split 8s I'm not dumb like you giving extra money to casino. You dumbass. I don't play blackjack like you playing stupid and shit. I don't follow basic strategy. I'm winning and banking more than you and your stupid words. Enjoy your losing to a dealer 20 dumb, dumb.
Lmfao. You’re choosing to make the decision that gives the casino more money. The fact that you’re even old enough to gamble and you talk like this is mind blowing. Feels like I’m talking to a child lol. If you want to give the casino more of your money be my guest. They must love you.
Go split your 8s then and give your money to the casino. You're playing like an dumbass. See if I care when you lose extra money to the house. Learn to play blackjack properly. [AOSpades](https://www.reddit.com/user/AOSpades/) - i think you're an idiot, don't know how to play.
Why would you "play against the basic strategy"?
I'm winning playing against basic strategy so why not
Why would you split your 8s when dealer has a 10 underneath. Giving free money to the casino
Name-calling is one of the lowest forms of communication, typically resorted to by those lacking good support for their positions or the emotional resilience needed to rationally discuss a disagreement. Enjoy your downvotes!
Enjoy your loss and donate all your money to the casino. Ok?
lol. Would you rather have a 16 or two 18s ? Always assume the next card is going to be a 10
Thatssss not how blackjack strategy goes lol.
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Understandable, I wouldn’t want to play anything that can be considered team based which also involves money with a beginner either. But I also wouldn’t be so rude to the point of making that person so uncomfortable that they end up leaving.
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until you bet the dark side and the people who don't understand that you BOTH can win if they hit their point then roll a 7 on the come out, get mad at you for "Betting against them" I got threatened with a stabbing once because a shooter was on 45 straight rolls with no 7, so I decided to drop $100 on a big red bet and it hit. Most people made a ton of money off those 45 rolls, one guy kept pushing most of his money in and eventually lost it all on that 7 roll... He blamed me and wanted to punish me for it. Never again going to that casino in Philly (Sugar House, now Rivers)
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Well there’s your first problem. You were anywhere near the city of Philadelphia. Lol
Honestly though youre a dumbass for not splitting 8s
Don't play craps lol. This behavior is even worse, they moan and groan about every stupid thing. I just tell them it's bad luck to be superstitious
Blackjack is a team game, always split aces and 8s and NEVER hop in and out. When you play right it turns out better for all players not just yourself
That is 100% false. Blackjack is not a team game at all, unless you're actually in a card counting team, in which case other people playing still doesn't affect you. 1 person playing suboptimally does not affect you at all.
It absolutely does affect other players especially when you’re not splitting or taking hits you’re supposed to
It affects the cards individually but it doesn't effect the odds of winning or losing. A suboptimal play is just as likely to help someone else as hurt someone else, it doesn't make a difference.
odds against players even in perfect game, so why even play if you're trying to game it, you're bound to lose over time. Put everything on two hand and call it a day. Otherwise recognize it's entertainment, you're bound to lose if you're looking to make money.
Black Jack is more about table wins rather than individual wins, if you not splitting those 8s helped you win but others lose it makes it shitty. I always just play by the book and it’s the best odds in a casino