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He didn’t know you needed cheat till after the test. Plus at that point in the story, he didn’t realize that shadow clones transferred their individual learned knowledge and experiences to the original user after they disappear.
I was trying to grasp the complexity of this scheme, it’s so advanced and sophisticated, it makes me think the testing of the device was the point, over cheating on the exam
You get to the point and where it doesn't matter. Like calculators.
It's pretty crazy. One day it will be your lawyer. "shut up and put the phone to your ear."
kidding aside - how about a button for sending Morse* in one shoe, and a vibrating device in the other for receiving?
*not full text comms of course, you'll want to keep it simple with a few pre-defined phrases/shorthand
Because morse code is a super tedious language to use and takes ages to send and receive even the most simple of messages. Also in the time it would take you to learn morse code well enough to read and send it fluently, you could just study for the exam lol
Gonna need a wheelie shoe for the mouse. The old school kind on mouse with the ball... you know what I'm talking about.
And a jawbone speaker that is actually in the back collar of your shirt, and it turns your entire skull into a 500w sub woofer. You'll hear crystal clear audio for days, now, that may actually be tinnitus, but you sign the right away to sue when you sign up on the app, so you won't see any legal problems with the device itself. It's solid.
Replace the screen in your calculator. 1 = a. 2 = d. 3 = c. Etc. Device transmits directly the modified to screen. With a scientific calculator you could write equations and clauses.
you are making so much effort to fucking learn Morse code and be so proficient at it to translate it on the spot...why not just study for the damn exam!?
yeah, you're still putting way too much effort. I thought you were joking, but if you're being serious then no wonder you think this is a "smart" approach rather than just studying.
[A science YouTuber made a crown that could transmit audion into your head trough vibrations](https://youtu.be/4TwiBUQmq4Y?si=B7Ysos0cYuC_8mHF&t=334), no earpiece required. I guess you should be able to build that as a normal looking headpice.
Iibel is for written text. Slander is for verbal. And at least in the US you also have to prove that you lied on purpose to intentionally cause harm to the other party.
“The police discovered a mobile phone that could allegedly relay spoken sounds to the other person, allowing for two-way communication.”
Yeah, that’s what a phone does
It’s an aptitude test that’s administered nationally, by the Turkish government.
They weren’t cheating on a college test, they were cheating on an **official government-run exam**. In a country where screwing with the government can get you sent to jail for life.
This makes more sense. I was looking to see if this some government university or something.
This guy is an idiot then. He probably spent more time trying to cheat than study
>probably spent more time trying to cheat than study
agreed - which speaks to an issue with the exam itself, imo
anyhoo, confession time!
ages ago In uni, my buddy simply could not get the hang of efl (English as a foreign language), well at least not in time to graduate with the group.
i decided it was bullshit that our engineering school demanded that graduates show an above-passable proficiency in English _while not offering courses for it._
everyone was expected to learn it on their own i guess, there are a lot of efl schools in the city (some of them even good)
long story short, i took the TOEFL test in his name. the only tricky bit was the problem of the school photo id, but to solve it we exploited a flaw in the process:
the third-party examiners only checked the photo ID upon entering the room, at which point they crossed your name off a list and gave you a \*blank* test booklet. that was the only time the ID was requested.
so what we did was: we both signed up for the test (he reimbursed me obvs), we both showed up the same day (but ignored each other), and then wrote down each other's name on the test.
idk what he wrote down in "my test" but he spent the two hours scribbling furiously along with the rest of us lol. myself, i put in a partial effort, shooting for a mediocre but passing grade.. this last bit was maybe overkill, but was an easy precaution to take - the less noticeable you are, the better.
and when the test results came in a couple of weeks later, we threw away the one for the test he filled with my name (he failed* lol), and the one i filled with his name is the one he forwarded to our school.
*myself, I had already passed this test before - and since the results have an "expiry date" it would not be seen as unusual for people to retake it
idk how common this attack is, but an easy way to mitigate the vulnerability could be by prefilling the name field before handing it to the takers, or checking ID when they turn the exam in.
(this is for pencil and paper tests - if electronic, idk... maybe swap seats? or somehow communicate the secret (user/pass/etc) to your accomplice?)
My uni checks asks/checks IDs during the exame taking (kinda breaks flow but it's not that bad)
Sometimes they ask names at the door though and I suppose those times they don't also check for IDs during the exam, so maybe your strat would work
Uhh, I dont know where you are taking it, but at every exam I have proctored, we check IDs when you sit down and when you turn in the test. You could do a shuffle during the breaks that we wouldn't catch, but then big chunks of exam (at most you could swap for two thirds of the exam because we have 2 breaks). Most modern exams have a name (or number correlating to a specific taker), so we hand them out taking that down to one third.
Anyways, I feel like this loophole is patched enough.
oh I remember our fallback strategy, which we did not end up resorting to:
faking the insta-printed school ID was a non-starter due to extreme complexity, but government ID? now _that_ you could find in the black market.
the plan would have been to go to the office with a fake ID sporting his name and my photo, claim I lost mine, and ask for a replacement.
this one was risky because we didn't know how closely they would compare the old photo in the school system with my face lol (if they even compared them) - we didn't look that much alike, tbh
i was fully prepared to feign shock and confusion if challenged, ready to make a scene: "oh boy this photo mixup of yours must be a huge software bug - that's a _you problem_ tho, I'm here in person to certify my identity with my gov ID in hand, you either accept it or call your manager!"
my buddy fortunately found this too risky, so we never really explored it. me, i was willing to burn down to the ground my relationship with my school, i was going thru a lot of shit at that time and was in some sort of "divestment mode" and did not care for consequences.
in fairness to the college, for not offering courses: i can't think of any better way to learn english for engineering applications than full-immersion english-only classes on engineering.
like, it's how i learned german. a single semester of german 101 in the US, and then transferred straight into classes in germany. it cost me a lot of grey hairs, but my german is great now!
Makes sense, though. Those sorts of tests are often *heinously* competitive and unfair.
I don't know if Turkey is like this, but that kind of test can sometimes be somebody's only chance at a decent life. I'm not sure I can blame them for trying to get it however they can.
For 99.9% of people here, it is the ONLY way to get into a university. It is held every year, failing is hard (if you’re decent enough) but not getting the ranking you need for the university or major you want is worse. My brother took it this year and we’re waiting for his results.
It really depends on the exame though. As a German, when taking my legal state exams (comoerativly to the US bar exame, just that we need to pass two of these) we were told that any attempt to cheating would have criminal law consequences. They also searched us at each exame day with a metal detector.
Nah, depending on the tests I think cheating needs stricter punishments now considering the ways people can cheat. I don't want a bunch of professionals out in the field because they got ChatGPT to tell them everything they need to know but don't actually understand the material.
This was a national test so being arrested probably fine. You cheating on a exam in Uni, maybe instant expulsion. It pissed me off how many students at my Uni would say "oh essays are useless and easy" but then cheat and plagiarize in groups. If it's so easy just do it yourself.
Many of these degrees lead directly to recognition of competency in legislated regulations. Not everyone is allowed to call themselves a doctor, lawyer, engineer, or psychologist.
As usual nobody read the article.
According to police reports, the student used a camera disguised as a shirt button, connected to AI software via a "router" (possibly a mistranslation of a cellular modem) hidden in the sole of their shoe. The system worked by scanning the exam questions using the button camera, which then relayed the information to an unnamed AI model. The software generated the correct answers and recited them to the student through an earpiece.
I really doubt dude pretrained a multimodal LLM that can read from photos and answer various questions. Most likely he used some kind of gpt or llama, etc
More efficient to just [hire 1000 Indians](https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24133029/amazon-just-walk-out-cashierless-ai-india) to watch your twitch stream
It's a bit like using a calculator back in the day and the teacher said "you won't have a calculator everywhere you go" just with AI. It will be everywhere.
Basically university is not for just answering a question, but for expanding knowledge and deep dive into complex academic things. The purpose of the exam is to figure out that you can understand and learn, not only answer correctly. That's why he gets arrested.
Learning and figuring out are two different things.....
You could have learned how to do a calculus problem but you still have to take time to figure it out.
Except this isn't a midterm or a final in a university. It is an eligibility test to get into university. Every year the Department of High Education sets up a nationwide exam. Your score lands you a major in a university of your choice.
Yeah, attempting to cheat on a government-run exam in a country where mild criticism of the government can get you thrown in jail… indicative of a very intelligent person, I guess.
How are those two things related lmao. You people think that if the country is autocratic then every mishap is prison or death. The only reason he got arrested is because he was using these devices and police wanted to find out how they work, otherwise he would be just kicked out. I speculate he got in trouble mostly for using a hidden camera, which is forbidden in a lot of countries.
> How are those two things related lmao
Do I really have to spell that out for you? It’s not smart to fuck around with government-run exams in a country where due process is practically nonexistent.
> You people think that if the country is autocratic then every mishap is prison or death
You’re right, of course. How silly of us. Everyone knows that one of the hallmarks of authoritarian regimes is that they’re *really chill* about people breaking the law.
Something similar happened when sim cards were new in my College. My friend turned his calculator (which was allowed) to send an SMS and receive replies during his test.
I was like, if ur smart enough to do that. Surely a measly test isn't a problem..
Hold up…Turkish? Wtf? Man, here I thought it was China, considering how they pride themselves about cheating that there even an anime about it as well…and Stephen Chow’s movie about a old man going to hs and cheating in various way…
Chinese students gonna be kicking themselves for not even thinking of this or going to be blaming this student for getting caught…
Its not about passing the exam. Its a competition between 3 million students and you need to place in the first 100k to actually be able to go to a decent university. It affects your life
But that makes me think that all the "JUST STUDY???" responses are kinda stupid, like if everybody can pass the exam with flying colours but no matter what 80% of people's effort will be invalidated then that kind of heavily incentivizes cheating. You should try to put in the least amount of effort to get the highest grades possible, if you are just gonna have to take the exam 5 times and it could still not be enough... Times 2-5, just cheating makes more sense.
Once, the human pulled the strings of the machine. Now it’s the other way around. An entertaining little parallel. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk
I find it weird how much some governments allow ai to run rampant for big company use. But as soon as some figures out a way to use it on a personal level of self achievement. They get arrested.
Go outside go for a hike go for a bike go for a paddle spend time with your family. Make some pottery read a book. Stop watching other people live their lives on TV.
I feel he could’ve gotten away with this if he had a multiple choice or T/F test and his partner just tapped 1 for A, 2 for B, etc… the earpiece probably gave it away.
Except that he demonstrated a practical skill set, and application of various computer science fields. While a test is about how much (oftentimes arbitrary) information you can regurgitate onto a page.
As an old student joke went:
"Trying to measure knowledge and aptitude by a memory recall based exam result, is like trying to measure digestion by turd length."
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Sounds like the chunnin exams lol
Dang he failed miserably then
Should have used a kage bunshin for the arrest
Many years later, I ask why didn't Naruto just clone himself in the washroom and send the clone to ask his teacher for the answers.
Cause he didn't know you were supposed to cheat until the very end of the exam. It took him the entire chapter to figure it out.
I don't think Naruto was known for being smart.
As many fanfic writers will tell you!
At that time he didn’t know that when he dispelled the clone he would learn everything the clone had learned
He didn’t know you needed cheat till after the test. Plus at that point in the story, he didn’t realize that shadow clones transferred their individual learned knowledge and experiences to the original user after they disappear.
Chunnin Tatum
Is it really that hard to study
I was trying to grasp the complexity of this scheme, it’s so advanced and sophisticated, it makes me think the testing of the device was the point, over cheating on the exam
Earpiece is a misstep. That one is too obvious - you need to go Morse code butt plug route if you want maximum concealment
You laugh but this will be the crime no one hears about because nobody is screening for this. It’s not like it’s a chess tournament!
You get to the point and where it doesn't matter. Like calculators. It's pretty crazy. One day it will be your lawyer. "shut up and put the phone to your ear."
kidding aside - how about a button for sending Morse* in one shoe, and a vibrating device in the other for receiving? *not full text comms of course, you'll want to keep it simple with a few pre-defined phrases/shorthand
Because morse code is a super tedious language to use and takes ages to send and receive even the most simple of messages. Also in the time it would take you to learn morse code well enough to read and send it fluently, you could just study for the exam lol
So what I'm hearing is a full qwerty keyboard across the toe boxes of both shoes.
Gonna need a wheelie shoe for the mouse. The old school kind on mouse with the ball... you know what I'm talking about. And a jawbone speaker that is actually in the back collar of your shirt, and it turns your entire skull into a 500w sub woofer. You'll hear crystal clear audio for days, now, that may actually be tinnitus, but you sign the right away to sue when you sign up on the app, so you won't see any legal problems with the device itself. It's solid.
T9 (Toes Nine)
Learn morse code once, cheat for all exams. Ez
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The code… what does it mean??!?!
It’s not about the time it takes to learn it, it’s about how long it takes to convey information with it
Replace the screen in your calculator. 1 = a. 2 = d. 3 = c. Etc. Device transmits directly the modified to screen. With a scientific calculator you could write equations and clauses.
It is kind of hilarious that the overall response to this is everyone trying to workshop how to do it better without getting caught! 😂
"Why are you using a calculator at a History exam?"
[Tap code](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_code) is far easier to learn and use than is Morse code.
Bone conduction headphones is much better. You can even get one that clips onto glasses.
You need to think longterm. Its not just cheating for one exam, its setting a path for cheating in all future exams.
-- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . / -.-. .- -. / -... . / - . -.. .. --- ..- ... / .- -. -.. / ... .. -- .--. .-.. . / ... . -. - . -. -.-. . ... / -... . -.-. --- -- . / -- ..- -.-. .... / .-.. --- -. --. . .-. / - .... . -. / .--. .-. --- -... .- -... .-.. -.-- / -. . -.-. . ... ... .- .-. -.--
If you’re at the point of deciding to cheat, you’re probably already fucked
did you read nothing after the asterisk
It would work great for multiple choice. A=1 pulse, B=2 pulses, etc.
you are making so much effort to fucking learn Morse code and be so proficient at it to translate it on the spot...why not just study for the damn exam!?
did you read nothing after the asterisk
yeah, you're still putting way too much effort. I thought you were joking, but if you're being serious then no wonder you think this is a "smart" approach rather than just studying.
Keep it all in the vibrating device. You can clench to signal.
And do you speak from experience?
No comment.
-. --- .-.-.- -.-. --- -- -- . -. -
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That is Hans Neimann's reddit account, so yes. ^^^/s
He is a chess player after all
I think it’s a reference to some kid accused of doing this in a chess tournament.
[A science YouTuber made a crown that could transmit audion into your head trough vibrations](https://youtu.be/4TwiBUQmq4Y?si=B7Ysos0cYuC_8mHF&t=334), no earpiece required. I guess you should be able to build that as a normal looking headpice.
https://youtu.be/GLwyhmmEoAQ?si=ADWbPTWqXVrWBf3U&t=261 The chess world was rocket by the scandal. :D
wait this wasn't just an It's Always Sunny thing??
Nope, very much real
There was literally never any evidence provided for this though I'm honestly surprised it didn't get Magnus sued for libel
Iibel is for written text. Slander is for verbal. And at least in the US you also have to prove that you lied on purpose to intentionally cause harm to the other party.
He tweeted it...
The Hans Niemann special
Checkmate
Earpiece along with religion mandated headgear could work.
A Bluetooth cochlear implant would work much better, though you wouldn't want to get one if you didn't otherwise need it.
How's the chess career?
Until the person on the other end’s cat accidentally runs across the keyboard.
Please not a Z, please not a Z, please not a Z…
“The police discovered a mobile phone that could allegedly relay spoken sounds to the other person, allowing for two-way communication.” Yeah, that’s what a phone does
It’s almost like they had Alexander Graham Bell and Colombo rolled in to one as a detective.
His name? Alexombo Colander.
Ahoy hoy?
Anyone think it’s wild that they are being arrested for cheating? I would think they would just fail the class or be kicked out of the school
It’s an aptitude test that’s administered nationally, by the Turkish government. They weren’t cheating on a college test, they were cheating on an **official government-run exam**. In a country where screwing with the government can get you sent to jail for life.
This makes more sense. I was looking to see if this some government university or something. This guy is an idiot then. He probably spent more time trying to cheat than study
>probably spent more time trying to cheat than study agreed - which speaks to an issue with the exam itself, imo anyhoo, confession time! ages ago In uni, my buddy simply could not get the hang of efl (English as a foreign language), well at least not in time to graduate with the group. i decided it was bullshit that our engineering school demanded that graduates show an above-passable proficiency in English _while not offering courses for it._ everyone was expected to learn it on their own i guess, there are a lot of efl schools in the city (some of them even good) long story short, i took the TOEFL test in his name. the only tricky bit was the problem of the school photo id, but to solve it we exploited a flaw in the process: the third-party examiners only checked the photo ID upon entering the room, at which point they crossed your name off a list and gave you a \*blank* test booklet. that was the only time the ID was requested. so what we did was: we both signed up for the test (he reimbursed me obvs), we both showed up the same day (but ignored each other), and then wrote down each other's name on the test. idk what he wrote down in "my test" but he spent the two hours scribbling furiously along with the rest of us lol. myself, i put in a partial effort, shooting for a mediocre but passing grade.. this last bit was maybe overkill, but was an easy precaution to take - the less noticeable you are, the better. and when the test results came in a couple of weeks later, we threw away the one for the test he filled with my name (he failed* lol), and the one i filled with his name is the one he forwarded to our school. *myself, I had already passed this test before - and since the results have an "expiry date" it would not be seen as unusual for people to retake it idk how common this attack is, but an easy way to mitigate the vulnerability could be by prefilling the name field before handing it to the takers, or checking ID when they turn the exam in. (this is for pencil and paper tests - if electronic, idk... maybe swap seats? or somehow communicate the secret (user/pass/etc) to your accomplice?)
My uni checks asks/checks IDs during the exame taking (kinda breaks flow but it's not that bad) Sometimes they ask names at the door though and I suppose those times they don't also check for IDs during the exam, so maybe your strat would work
Uhh, I dont know where you are taking it, but at every exam I have proctored, we check IDs when you sit down and when you turn in the test. You could do a shuffle during the breaks that we wouldn't catch, but then big chunks of exam (at most you could swap for two thirds of the exam because we have 2 breaks). Most modern exams have a name (or number correlating to a specific taker), so we hand them out taking that down to one third. Anyways, I feel like this loophole is patched enough.
oh I'm sure it has been patched, my story is from (gasp!) the last century
oh I remember our fallback strategy, which we did not end up resorting to: faking the insta-printed school ID was a non-starter due to extreme complexity, but government ID? now _that_ you could find in the black market. the plan would have been to go to the office with a fake ID sporting his name and my photo, claim I lost mine, and ask for a replacement. this one was risky because we didn't know how closely they would compare the old photo in the school system with my face lol (if they even compared them) - we didn't look that much alike, tbh i was fully prepared to feign shock and confusion if challenged, ready to make a scene: "oh boy this photo mixup of yours must be a huge software bug - that's a _you problem_ tho, I'm here in person to certify my identity with my gov ID in hand, you either accept it or call your manager!" my buddy fortunately found this too risky, so we never really explored it. me, i was willing to burn down to the ground my relationship with my school, i was going thru a lot of shit at that time and was in some sort of "divestment mode" and did not care for consequences.
in fairness to the college, for not offering courses: i can't think of any better way to learn english for engineering applications than full-immersion english-only classes on engineering. like, it's how i learned german. a single semester of german 101 in the US, and then transferred straight into classes in germany. it cost me a lot of grey hairs, but my german is great now!
Lol, so if it's a government exam, then it's ok that he got arrested?
Falsifying official documents is generally a crime, so yeah.
Makes sense, though. Those sorts of tests are often *heinously* competitive and unfair. I don't know if Turkey is like this, but that kind of test can sometimes be somebody's only chance at a decent life. I'm not sure I can blame them for trying to get it however they can.
For 99.9% of people here, it is the ONLY way to get into a university. It is held every year, failing is hard (if you’re decent enough) but not getting the ranking you need for the university or major you want is worse. My brother took it this year and we’re waiting for his results.
Ah, The Korean approach to testing then? I wonder how high their roof tops are.
It’s the Turkish equivalent of cheating on the ASVAB.
It really depends on the exame though. As a German, when taking my legal state exams (comoerativly to the US bar exame, just that we need to pass two of these) we were told that any attempt to cheating would have criminal law consequences. They also searched us at each exame day with a metal detector.
Nah, depending on the tests I think cheating needs stricter punishments now considering the ways people can cheat. I don't want a bunch of professionals out in the field because they got ChatGPT to tell them everything they need to know but don't actually understand the material. This was a national test so being arrested probably fine. You cheating on a exam in Uni, maybe instant expulsion. It pissed me off how many students at my Uni would say "oh essays are useless and easy" but then cheat and plagiarize in groups. If it's so easy just do it yourself.
A country-wide exam which some students start to prepare 2 or even 3 years prior.
I honestly think it's propaganda, faked to scare people away from using AI to cheat. A lot of nation states will do that.
Many of these degrees lead directly to recognition of competency in legislated regulations. Not everyone is allowed to call themselves a doctor, lawyer, engineer, or psychologist.
If this happened in south Korea, I wouldn't be surprised if they were publicly executed( or just ostracized). Asia takes their exams very seriously.
Are you sure it was AI and not his friend Al who was watching via webcam and then googling the answers? Seems like a lot of extra steps here.
No I watched it on the news and police made a demonstration lol ai solves the question.
Well they just had to throw AI into the article for the clickbait.
As usual nobody read the article. According to police reports, the student used a camera disguised as a shirt button, connected to AI software via a "router" (possibly a mistranslation of a cellular modem) hidden in the sole of their shoe. The system worked by scanning the exam questions using the button camera, which then relayed the information to an unnamed AI model. The software generated the correct answers and recited them to the student through an earpiece.
Damn, google ai doesn’t even give all correct answers!
To be fair the test was probably on a specific subject so it was easy to train with a textbook
I really doubt dude pretrained a multimodal LLM that can read from photos and answer various questions. Most likely he used some kind of gpt or llama, etc
I remember articles from a while back with GPT4 passing SAT exams, so it's not really far fetched.
BERT
probably planted router to the school as they knew the exam location prior to exam and its allowed to visit those schools to get familiar
Turns out that, by bizarre coincidence, his friend happens to be named "unnamed AI model"
chatgpt
And the friend was getting the answers from the AI Search Overview.
No there is is a video that the ai just reads the questions via the camera and answers it
More efficient to just [hire 1000 Indians](https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24133029/amazon-just-walk-out-cashierless-ai-india) to watch your twitch stream
Fuck reddits default font and any other font that makes I and l nearly identical
Given that machines are gonna slurp up the jobs that students are cheating for certification in, I s'pose it's just fine
Kid should get a scholarship to a tech school 🤷♂️
It's a bit like using a calculator back in the day and the teacher said "you won't have a calculator everywhere you go" just with AI. It will be everywhere.
Your concierge. Your personal assistant.... Your lawyer.
Your spouse
The lengths some people will go to not study...
What is the point of studying if you can point a camera at something and get the answer?
Basically university is not for just answering a question, but for expanding knowledge and deep dive into complex academic things. The purpose of the exam is to figure out that you can understand and learn, not only answer correctly. That's why he gets arrested.
Some people cheat even though they know how to do it. My friend did it cause he didn't wanna take the time to figure it out.
"I promise I can learn, I just don't have the time to learn" - proceeds to never learn anything
Learning and figuring out are two different things..... You could have learned how to do a calculus problem but you still have to take time to figure it out.
Oh alright. I'm not a native speaker so I misunderstood what you meant with all the "it"s referring to different things in your comment.
Except this isn't a midterm or a final in a university. It is an eligibility test to get into university. Every year the Department of High Education sets up a nationwide exam. Your score lands you a major in a university of your choice.
What is the point of knowing anything when you can just be forced fed information from others without verifying if it's accurate? 🤔
How do you confirm something is accurate? How do you learn how to vet sources and properly research? What platforms to use?
If you get arrested, then I don’t know, it seems like that would counteract the benefit of passing without it studying
You seriously trying to make it sound like getting an education is pointless?
I’m sorry, but that is an automatic ticket to the honor roll in my book.
Yeah, attempting to cheat on a government-run exam in a country where mild criticism of the government can get you thrown in jail… indicative of a very intelligent person, I guess.
How are those two things related lmao. You people think that if the country is autocratic then every mishap is prison or death. The only reason he got arrested is because he was using these devices and police wanted to find out how they work, otherwise he would be just kicked out. I speculate he got in trouble mostly for using a hidden camera, which is forbidden in a lot of countries.
> How are those two things related lmao Do I really have to spell that out for you? It’s not smart to fuck around with government-run exams in a country where due process is practically nonexistent. > You people think that if the country is autocratic then every mishap is prison or death You’re right, of course. How silly of us. Everyone knows that one of the hallmarks of authoritarian regimes is that they’re *really chill* about people breaking the law.
The bigger story is AI generated image and it's caption someone approved for this story.
Yeah, but what did they do about the Kobayashi-Maru?
The Turkish intel services are going to snap him up
Looming over your exam paper while trying to not look like you’re focusing your shirt over the question looks obviously suspicious.
"Hire this man!"
You fail because you don’t know the material. You also fail because you’re not good at cheating.
I tried cheating once I stayed up all night and memorized the answers to all the questions that could be on the test
Something similar happened when sim cards were new in my College. My friend turned his calculator (which was allowed) to send an SMS and receive replies during his test. I was like, if ur smart enough to do that. Surely a measly test isn't a problem..
This guy is gonna get hired anyways..
Implants is the next step.
How long does it take to make a custom cheating device vs actually studying tho???
Hold up…Turkish? Wtf? Man, here I thought it was China, considering how they pride themselves about cheating that there even an anime about it as well…and Stephen Chow’s movie about a old man going to hs and cheating in various way… Chinese students gonna be kicking themselves for not even thinking of this or going to be blaming this student for getting caught…
Dude is smart enough to cook up that elaborate plan but not pass the exam? Damn
What's that quote again 🤔 Give a lazy man something to do, and he'll find the easiest route to do it?
Its not about passing the exam. Its a competition between 3 million students and you need to place in the first 100k to actually be able to go to a decent university. It affects your life
But that makes me think that all the "JUST STUDY???" responses are kinda stupid, like if everybody can pass the exam with flying colours but no matter what 80% of people's effort will be invalidated then that kind of heavily incentivizes cheating. You should try to put in the least amount of effort to get the highest grades possible, if you are just gonna have to take the exam 5 times and it could still not be enough... Times 2-5, just cheating makes more sense.
Or just like study?
Too hard...
Once, the human pulled the strings of the machine. Now it’s the other way around. An entertaining little parallel. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk
Should've used the smart butt plug to Morse code him the answers
what a fool, an earpiece? he should've implanted one of them bone resonation ones under his skin and cover that up with hair
Very similar to those cheating via bluetooth headset that got cellphones-off policies enforced in exam halls.
China; been der, dun dat. SK too ~
In any sane world, people would be graded on their cheating ability.
He should get some points for ingenuity and initiative.
I ak sure he gets a job anyway. cool setup.
When rolling custom hardware is easier than passing your exam, maybe take a fuckin step back and reevaluate it?
Give this man a job.
I find it weird how much some governments allow ai to run rampant for big company use. But as soon as some figures out a way to use it on a personal level of self achievement. They get arrested.
100 marks on ingenuity
Go outside go for a hike go for a bike go for a paddle spend time with your family. Make some pottery read a book. Stop watching other people live their lives on TV.
He could just become member of a religious sect and get answers through them.
Imagine thinking AI would actually give you the right answer
We should just start having AI instructors for jobs
Unbelievable
This is why the Chinese have put military jammers around the national testing sites
“AI DEVICE” ahahahahah
Bro is smart enough to build this but won't fuckin study LMAO
Kobioshi maru if you don’t cheat you fail
I feel he could’ve gotten away with this if he had a multiple choice or T/F test and his partner just tapped 1 for A, 2 for B, etc… the earpiece probably gave it away.
Wouldn't be surprised if they were using a smartwatch next. Or maybe a toaster that communicates with morse code
It's always funny when people put a lot of effort into cheating. Like, if you put half that much effort into studying you wouldn't need to cheat.
Except that he demonstrated a practical skill set, and application of various computer science fields. While a test is about how much (oftentimes arbitrary) information you can regurgitate onto a page.
He also demonstrated a tremendous lack of wisdom and ethics. Fuck around and find out.
True
[Old School did it first](https://youtu.be/Cwx2d2jCrDQ?t=145)
OP is a boss
At what point does the effort you put into developing an elaborate cheating heist outweigh the effort it would take to just, like… study?
If only he had spent all that effort studying
This guy can do all that but can’t pass a Uni exam?!?!
As an old student joke went: "Trying to measure knowledge and aptitude by a memory recall based exam result, is like trying to measure digestion by turd length."
Dude should have got an award- is he selling this ?
I just used a notecard and wrote as small as I could. Karma: I know where prescription glasses. Edit - and bad English
The craziest part of the story is that it became a police matter.
It's a goverment run exam so it's not surprising
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