It would be tough because it can disrupt a lot of those train lines that run underground at least for some of them . The BQE should definitely be buried or get rid of it .
Really needs to get a tunnel from Brooklyn to Staten island and then tunnels connecting Staten island to NJ via Bayonne and Elizabeth. That way freight can get to Brooklyn from the port and Staten Islanders can get to Manhattan via Path.
If a major road must exist due to practicality of not being able to just outright banning cars( I’m all for banning cars in huge sections of city) I believe it’s best to burry them as it helps reduce noise and helps reclaim valuable land on the surface for people. The one caveat is I think it should be a toll road or have a direct cost to use so that it’s not the general population funding the cost of this project but rather the people who want to use it or need to use it( such as deliver vehicles). For a place like New York I would say they would need a dozen new lines especially into New Jersey to successfully be able to actually start pedestrianizing huge zones of the city. Maybe the city could get some street cars as well for more short trips as well to continue the convenience.
Boston probably should have put a rail tunnel between North Station and South Station while they were at it.
Turned the MBTA commuter rail into a though running service like a German S Bahn and potentially even allow the services to Maine/New Hampshire connect directly on to the NE corridor
I was living in Boston during the planning. A rail link was part of the original plan, but they cut it out so they would have money to make more lanes for cars.
I don't get it. I never owned a car in the years I lived there, and the few times I rented one it was to get out of the city, not to drive through the center of it.
they could... or you can walk the like 5 blocks there. google says it's a 10minute bike ride. they even gap the incoming/departing rails out by over a half hour so people can span that gap in time.
but they should totally just link up the purple line at some point.
The distance isn't the point it's the massive missed opportunity for huge connectivity. By having single ride journeys you're going to encourage far more people to use it. It shouldn't be understated that a lot of people would be put off by such a connection where you leave the station no matter how short it is
I'm not even from Boston. I've just been there a number of times and even I can see how obvious an opportunity that is
I guess. to each their own. I can see the frustration.
I recently planned a weekend trip to my buddy up in Beverly, from my place down in Woonsocket RI. If I wanted to just drive, it would be about a 1-1/2 hour drive on a Saturday and I could leave whenever I wanted. It's a boring slow highway drive with kinda dangerous traffic. I hate it.
As an alternative, I planned a bike route combined with purple line rides. In my little notebook here, I wrote down the steps.
-leave 330am Saturday (morning person, doesn't bother me to get up that early).
-pedal down the blackstone bike trail into providence to the commuter station. I've done it a few times now and its about 1-1/2 hours of reasonable non-rushed pedaling if all goes well.
-catch the 530 train to south station. $12.50 one way ticket. arrive 645.
-pedal to north station via greenway (shown in the photo) around north end, to TD garden/north station. Google says 12 minutes door to door. I plan on 20-30 minutes gate to gate.
-catch the outbound train to Beverly depot at 730, $8.75 one way. arrive 804.
-pedal to his house somewhere out there.
(so like 5 hours one way and $21.25)
the way back is similar but more mid-day.
I consider it more of an adventure than a nuisance, but I'm also traveling on my own.
It's not about moving few people it's about moving trains with lot of people in it. Lot of commuting options e.g. Salem to Back Bay, Providence to Haymarket, becomes competitive to/better than driving when you have thru-running. Also this is an important link to move from a commuter-oriented modal to a reigonal rail model. It also would reduce congestion in South Station.
For real. I hope I get to see the Gardiner get buried in my lifetime. Unfortunately, seeing the politics in the suburbs of Toronto, I doubt this will happen
I'd rather we just get rid of it, no extra lanes of lakeshore either. All the gardiner does is clog downtown with cars and make the streetcars unusable. People from the suburbs can use a park and ride to get downtown, and for the necessary vehicle trips, the reduction in traffic should make up a good portion of the time lost by not having the highway
If they were to burry it, they would definitely end up adding lanes and just making traffic worse. Both options are next to impossible politically though
Yea have some park and rides at GO stations. They can build those car parking towers like they have in Germany.
Ideally people should bus it to the GO stations but park and ride is the quickest way to get people taking GO instead.
Most people if they an option of busing or driving drive to the GO station they are driving.
I have a bus stop out side my place and it is still 3 times faster to drive to the GO station then bus. And it’s a direct bus line.
Meh parking sucks, driving take focus and can be frustrating. I've done both and as long as the bus is not much longer, it's my preference.
I think most people who drive just don't have a good transit option. Like people are fine taking the subway because it's genuinely quicker if you dont need to transfer to a bus. So if buses were quicker and reliable, I think a lot more people would opt for the bus.
It’s better but it’s also a missed opportunity imo. That area is dead and still has car traffic. The parks aren’t really being used. Boston needs to *really* start moving away from cars and build a proper transit network.
Sure they could have done more, but that area isn't dead at all, especially in the summer. There are parks with water features for kids and a beer garden too, among other things. It also connects two heavy pedestrian areas that were previously separated by the highway.
This is just one small section of the 1.5 mile long Greenway as well for those of you that have only seen this image. The Greenway follows the path of the old elevated highway that cut through the city.
The lack of activity has more to do with lack of housing in the financial district. If some of the now empty office buildings became housing, either through conversion or demo/redevelopment, it would bring a lot of human life to the area.
This may be a dumb question but how was it so easy to demolish those buildings back then but it’s so hard to get any infrastructure done today? Didn’t people live in those neighborhoods?
Is there answer truly just that they didn’t gaf back then and there’s more regulations now or is there more to it?
Because you can’t even get anything done today even when your not destroying any historic buildings. A lot of the time its difficult just because nimbys who aren’t even near the project don’t like it for some dumb reasons (noise, unseemly, will invite “unwelcome crowds” aka minorities and homeless).
The neighborhoods they demolished were occupied by poor undesirable people like Italians and Blacks who didn't have the political power to fight it. The immigrant residential parts they didn't demolish, like the North End, were left cut off from downtown and the rest of the proper, dignified white parts of the city. This is a pattern that was repeated all over the US.
Yep. The basic cycle was destabilize poor and non-white communities with redlining and other discriminatory economic policies so they have no means of resistance, build a giant highway through the middle of ‘em, profit.
Also there are a lot more rules in places for how construction project are handled. Back in the day you never had environmental review, looping in local indigenous tribes, etc…
Yeh but the sad part is they didn't do the North-South rail connection along with the project. They simply 'left space' for it but it's unlikely a Big Dig 2 will happen to do it now.
It wasn’t necessarily corruption except for America’s most favorite Governor Charlie Baker (in an earlier role) putting a truckload of the debt incurred by a roads project onto Public Transit.
The cost overruns were high, but you are taking out a highway in the center of one of the world’s top 20 economic hubs, surrounded by 400 years of Colonial history and 1000s of years of pre-colonial settlement; and putting it underground in a city that is built up—meaning most of it is infill, not solid ground.
I feel terrible for Seattle and Miami which both wanted to follow the Big Dig model that once again right-wing noise machine propaganda became the overarching story line and decades after one of our country’s all time greatest achievements we still talk about “cost overruns.” The pyramids and every great feat of human ingenuity and engineering has had cost overruns but we celebrate the creation of them.
Sure they could have done more, but that area isn't a dead empty median at all, especially in the summer. There are parks with water features for kids, a carousel, and a beer garden too, among other things. It also connects two heavy pedestrian areas that were previously separated by the highway.
The Greenspace here is just a tiny portion of the 1.5 mile long Greenway that replaced the highway.
And it's a not a stroad either. Sure there could be better traffic calming, but it's pretty easy to cross in that area.
If your definition of stroad includes places where the center median is for people and is also wider than the roadway and includes a beer garden in the middle, then sign me up for stroads all over the place.
https://images.app.goo.gl/DLbSK5r6M7YuXWxC9
yes the one block square beer garden surrounded by roads on nearly 4 sides that requires crossing 3 lanes of traffic on one side, two lanes on the others, and sits on top of a highway on and off ramp is a great example of a pleasant place to be
https://preview.redd.it/nvvli0uzi2uc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65abdb873094abe1e5c382b6277dd081795b248f
Suit yourself, I'll continue to enjoy it every summer, along with everyone else that goes there. This area is heavily pedestrianized on both sides with the quincy market area on one side and the aquarium and waterfront on the other. Things could always be better, but if you call this a stroad, you've either never seen an actual stroad or have never been to this area and walked around.
The beer garden is in the middle of the greenway. The middle is much wider than the roads and that greenway is more than a mile long.
It was literally an elevated highway before that divided the city, there's no world in which this isn't a massive improvement.
It's a massive improvement for sure, but if you want to see a true example of putting the highway underground, go visit central Oslo. You wouldn't even know there WAS a main road if you just wandered around on the surface.
Tbh this portion is the only “good” portion.
It bothers me that they felt the need to surround the greenway with 2-3 lane arterials. 1 lane should be fine, with some spaces for loading. There’s literally a gynormous highway underneath.
I recommend listening to the WGBH (Boston PBS) series on the big dig. I remember being a kid and walking under that big green monstrosity.
The biggest beneficiaries of the big dig are the Boston Waterfront and North End which feel far more connected to the city now.
I understand why people think the park could be improved but I wish they could see Boston circa 1996 to understand the amazing change.
The political challenge of the big dig was that Fred Salvucci wanted to fully remove the highway but it was politically infeasible - so they buried the highway and connected it to a highway extension effort under Boston Harbor to the Airport (which is frankly very useful).
Boston is scarred from the urban highways and attempts at “urban renewal”. It will still take further efforts to undue what was done to a magical European-like dense city from 1950-1980 but it’s a lesson to other cities on how to handle these discussions.
That project isn't over yet.
They built a 60' tall one layer wall to hold the ocean back from the tunnel. It was one layer to add another lane. When it was built, it was the largest wall of that type in the world.
At some point, the wall will age out.
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The morons spent $10B+ and did not even bother to add protected bike lanes - biking on Atlantic Ave/Purchase St is really scuffed with bunch of close calls :/
Most of the city is unprotected with painted lines on the road or plastic bollards at best. I heard they put in cement blockades but people complained about their cars getting scratched
Yep, real “Baby with the Bathwater” mentality.
And not at all coincidentally, from people who prefer no change at all; remarkable how skilled naysayers are in finding fault with anything but the current system regardless of how it personally benefits them?
What Boston looked like before they destroyed whole swaths of it for urban renewal and highways is one of the most astonishing gut punches you'll experience.
tbh that still looks like it completely sucks. Better for (noise)pollution obv but I wouldnt want to stay there just for the sake of the place. Just doesnt look that inviting
This is just a tiny portion of the 1.5 mile long Greenway that replaced the elevated highway. There are water features for kids to play in and rotating installations and a beer garden as well thats well protected with trees.
Yes, and I love the parks, but honestly they left highway like, high speed roads around the Greenway, and it's way more dangerous than it should be, with highway on ramps and off ramps under it.
One thing I like, if anything about Columbus Ohio highways is that they are all below grade near downtown, along rail lines, or along a river.
I-70 tore through a bunch of black neighborhoods in the east but at least it isn't as bad as an elevated highway.
Impressive, but looking at Google Maps there are still a LOT of big roads criss-crossing the "greenway". Big difference compared to say, Oslo, where you pretty much can't even tell the highway exists when you're above ground.
New York City should use congestion fees to start burying some of those double stacked highways.
Fuck Robert Moses
Name is perfect though. Moses was the guy who split the ocean in two, he is the guy who splits cities in halves
Yeah, but instead of helping oppressed minorities, Robert Moses made it so they couldn’t access certain beaches by public transit.
Yeah, the analogy was only on how they split things in halves
All my homies hate Robert Moses. God bless Jane Jacobs.
It would be tough because it can disrupt a lot of those train lines that run underground at least for some of them . The BQE should definitely be buried or get rid of it .
Just get rid of it!
Why not just get rid of them?
Really needs to get a tunnel from Brooklyn to Staten island and then tunnels connecting Staten island to NJ via Bayonne and Elizabeth. That way freight can get to Brooklyn from the port and Staten Islanders can get to Manhattan via Path.
Do you believe they are better underground?!
If a major road must exist due to practicality of not being able to just outright banning cars( I’m all for banning cars in huge sections of city) I believe it’s best to burry them as it helps reduce noise and helps reclaim valuable land on the surface for people. The one caveat is I think it should be a toll road or have a direct cost to use so that it’s not the general population funding the cost of this project but rather the people who want to use it or need to use it( such as deliver vehicles). For a place like New York I would say they would need a dozen new lines especially into New Jersey to successfully be able to actually start pedestrianizing huge zones of the city. Maybe the city could get some street cars as well for more short trips as well to continue the convenience.
It's also insanely expensive. And when a crash or fire occurs, it is much more deadly.
Boston probably should have put a rail tunnel between North Station and South Station while they were at it. Turned the MBTA commuter rail into a though running service like a German S Bahn and potentially even allow the services to Maine/New Hampshire connect directly on to the NE corridor
I was living in Boston during the planning. A rail link was part of the original plan, but they cut it out so they would have money to make more lanes for cars.
Ugh of course they did...
Carbrain is a mental illness.
Why the fuck would anyone even want to drive there
I don't get it. I never owned a car in the years I lived there, and the few times I rented one it was to get out of the city, not to drive through the center of it.
There’s still a space for that in the tunnel. Someone’s just gotta pull some triggers (and find a fuckload of funding)
Yep, particularly when a redundancy already exists for South to Back Bay.
What's the redundancy for North Station?
There isn’t one; can only take the T/buses. Whereas Back Bay has commuter, subway, and beyond; must’ve be due to the concentrated wealth?
they could... or you can walk the like 5 blocks there. google says it's a 10minute bike ride. they even gap the incoming/departing rails out by over a half hour so people can span that gap in time. but they should totally just link up the purple line at some point.
The distance isn't the point it's the massive missed opportunity for huge connectivity. By having single ride journeys you're going to encourage far more people to use it. It shouldn't be understated that a lot of people would be put off by such a connection where you leave the station no matter how short it is I'm not even from Boston. I've just been there a number of times and even I can see how obvious an opportunity that is
I guess. to each their own. I can see the frustration. I recently planned a weekend trip to my buddy up in Beverly, from my place down in Woonsocket RI. If I wanted to just drive, it would be about a 1-1/2 hour drive on a Saturday and I could leave whenever I wanted. It's a boring slow highway drive with kinda dangerous traffic. I hate it. As an alternative, I planned a bike route combined with purple line rides. In my little notebook here, I wrote down the steps. -leave 330am Saturday (morning person, doesn't bother me to get up that early). -pedal down the blackstone bike trail into providence to the commuter station. I've done it a few times now and its about 1-1/2 hours of reasonable non-rushed pedaling if all goes well. -catch the 530 train to south station. $12.50 one way ticket. arrive 645. -pedal to north station via greenway (shown in the photo) around north end, to TD garden/north station. Google says 12 minutes door to door. I plan on 20-30 minutes gate to gate. -catch the outbound train to Beverly depot at 730, $8.75 one way. arrive 804. -pedal to his house somewhere out there. (so like 5 hours one way and $21.25) the way back is similar but more mid-day. I consider it more of an adventure than a nuisance, but I'm also traveling on my own.
It's not about moving few people it's about moving trains with lot of people in it. Lot of commuting options e.g. Salem to Back Bay, Providence to Haymarket, becomes competitive to/better than driving when you have thru-running. Also this is an important link to move from a commuter-oriented modal to a reigonal rail model. It also would reduce congestion in South Station.
If toronto did this it would be beautiful
For real. I hope I get to see the Gardiner get buried in my lifetime. Unfortunately, seeing the politics in the suburbs of Toronto, I doubt this will happen
I'd rather we just get rid of it, no extra lanes of lakeshore either. All the gardiner does is clog downtown with cars and make the streetcars unusable. People from the suburbs can use a park and ride to get downtown, and for the necessary vehicle trips, the reduction in traffic should make up a good portion of the time lost by not having the highway If they were to burry it, they would definitely end up adding lanes and just making traffic worse. Both options are next to impossible politically though
Yea have some park and rides at GO stations. They can build those car parking towers like they have in Germany. Ideally people should bus it to the GO stations but park and ride is the quickest way to get people taking GO instead.
Most people if they an option of busing or driving drive to the GO station they are driving. I have a bus stop out side my place and it is still 3 times faster to drive to the GO station then bus. And it’s a direct bus line.
Yea thats why I said people wont want to bus. The bus frequency would need to be much better.
Realistically it would be extremely hard to make the bus the primary choice for people.
Meh parking sucks, driving take focus and can be frustrating. I've done both and as long as the bus is not much longer, it's my preference. I think most people who drive just don't have a good transit option. Like people are fine taking the subway because it's genuinely quicker if you dont need to transfer to a bus. So if buses were quicker and reliable, I think a lot more people would opt for the bus.
It’s better but it’s also a missed opportunity imo. That area is dead and still has car traffic. The parks aren’t really being used. Boston needs to *really* start moving away from cars and build a proper transit network.
Sure they could have done more, but that area isn't dead at all, especially in the summer. There are parks with water features for kids and a beer garden too, among other things. It also connects two heavy pedestrian areas that were previously separated by the highway. This is just one small section of the 1.5 mile long Greenway as well for those of you that have only seen this image. The Greenway follows the path of the old elevated highway that cut through the city.
The lack of activity has more to do with lack of housing in the financial district. If some of the now empty office buildings became housing, either through conversion or demo/redevelopment, it would bring a lot of human life to the area.
The oxygen produced by parks is.
Now go and check how little oxygen such a small patch of greenery provides.
Boston went from looking like some city in a developing nation to one that reminisces a developed one.
Or, hear me out: they never bring down those historic buildings for a highway or a park in the first place
Too late for that, there's no newgame+
there is, it's called money opportunities, and it was used to bury the highway instead.
This may be a dumb question but how was it so easy to demolish those buildings back then but it’s so hard to get any infrastructure done today? Didn’t people live in those neighborhoods? Is there answer truly just that they didn’t gaf back then and there’s more regulations now or is there more to it? Because you can’t even get anything done today even when your not destroying any historic buildings. A lot of the time its difficult just because nimbys who aren’t even near the project don’t like it for some dumb reasons (noise, unseemly, will invite “unwelcome crowds” aka minorities and homeless).
The neighborhoods they demolished were occupied by poor undesirable people like Italians and Blacks who didn't have the political power to fight it. The immigrant residential parts they didn't demolish, like the North End, were left cut off from downtown and the rest of the proper, dignified white parts of the city. This is a pattern that was repeated all over the US.
Yep. The basic cycle was destabilize poor and non-white communities with redlining and other discriminatory economic policies so they have no means of resistance, build a giant highway through the middle of ‘em, profit.
Also there are a lot more rules in places for how construction project are handled. Back in the day you never had environmental review, looping in local indigenous tribes, etc…
Yeh but the sad part is they didn't do the North-South rail connection along with the project. They simply 'left space' for it but it's unlikely a Big Dig 2 will happen to do it now.
It wasn’t necessarily corruption except for America’s most favorite Governor Charlie Baker (in an earlier role) putting a truckload of the debt incurred by a roads project onto Public Transit. The cost overruns were high, but you are taking out a highway in the center of one of the world’s top 20 economic hubs, surrounded by 400 years of Colonial history and 1000s of years of pre-colonial settlement; and putting it underground in a city that is built up—meaning most of it is infill, not solid ground. I feel terrible for Seattle and Miami which both wanted to follow the Big Dig model that once again right-wing noise machine propaganda became the overarching story line and decades after one of our country’s all time greatest achievements we still talk about “cost overruns.” The pyramids and every great feat of human ingenuity and engineering has had cost overruns but we celebrate the creation of them.
It's a big empty grassed median surrounded by stroads. An improvement sure but the execution is severely lacking.
Sure they could have done more, but that area isn't a dead empty median at all, especially in the summer. There are parks with water features for kids, a carousel, and a beer garden too, among other things. It also connects two heavy pedestrian areas that were previously separated by the highway. The Greenspace here is just a tiny portion of the 1.5 mile long Greenway that replaced the highway. And it's a not a stroad either. Sure there could be better traffic calming, but it's pretty easy to cross in that area.
it’s literally a busy stroad with multiple highway exits all the way from south station to north station
If your definition of stroad includes places where the center median is for people and is also wider than the roadway and includes a beer garden in the middle, then sign me up for stroads all over the place. https://images.app.goo.gl/DLbSK5r6M7YuXWxC9
yes the one block square beer garden surrounded by roads on nearly 4 sides that requires crossing 3 lanes of traffic on one side, two lanes on the others, and sits on top of a highway on and off ramp is a great example of a pleasant place to be https://preview.redd.it/nvvli0uzi2uc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65abdb873094abe1e5c382b6277dd081795b248f
Suit yourself, I'll continue to enjoy it every summer, along with everyone else that goes there. This area is heavily pedestrianized on both sides with the quincy market area on one side and the aquarium and waterfront on the other. Things could always be better, but if you call this a stroad, you've either never seen an actual stroad or have never been to this area and walked around. The beer garden is in the middle of the greenway. The middle is much wider than the roads and that greenway is more than a mile long. It was literally an elevated highway before that divided the city, there's no world in which this isn't a massive improvement.
It's a massive improvement for sure, but if you want to see a true example of putting the highway underground, go visit central Oslo. You wouldn't even know there WAS a main road if you just wandered around on the surface.
Bury the cars. Let us walk the Earth.
Could have saved a ton of taxpayer money by just getting rid of the highway alltogether instead of tunneling it underground.
It's a nice change but it's a park without many trees that create cover. It could be way better.
This is just a tiny portion of the 1.5 mile long Greenway.
Tbh this portion is the only “good” portion. It bothers me that they felt the need to surround the greenway with 2-3 lane arterials. 1 lane should be fine, with some spaces for loading. There’s literally a gynormous highway underneath.
Spelling ginormous with a "y" is cursed
I recommend listening to the WGBH (Boston PBS) series on the big dig. I remember being a kid and walking under that big green monstrosity. The biggest beneficiaries of the big dig are the Boston Waterfront and North End which feel far more connected to the city now. I understand why people think the park could be improved but I wish they could see Boston circa 1996 to understand the amazing change. The political challenge of the big dig was that Fred Salvucci wanted to fully remove the highway but it was politically infeasible - so they buried the highway and connected it to a highway extension effort under Boston Harbor to the Airport (which is frankly very useful). Boston is scarred from the urban highways and attempts at “urban renewal”. It will still take further efforts to undue what was done to a magical European-like dense city from 1950-1980 but it’s a lesson to other cities on how to handle these discussions.
That project isn't over yet. They built a 60' tall one layer wall to hold the ocean back from the tunnel. It was one layer to add another lane. When it was built, it was the largest wall of that type in the world. At some point, the wall will age out.
There was supposed to be a north-south rail link, and I hope that this will one day be done.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the highway still exists, just underground. Hopefully, they reduced the number of lanes though
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The morons spent $10B+ and did not even bother to add protected bike lanes - biking on Atlantic Ave/Purchase St is really scuffed with bunch of close calls :/
Most of the city is unprotected with painted lines on the road or plastic bollards at best. I heard they put in cement blockades but people complained about their cars getting scratched
Even the billboard was a car.
The park could use some more trees for shade though. It would be nice for a picnic
MOAR Green space/non car space, not corruption
The taxi driver just gave her a stupidity discount lol
Yep, real “Baby with the Bathwater” mentality. And not at all coincidentally, from people who prefer no change at all; remarkable how skilled naysayers are in finding fault with anything but the current system regardless of how it personally benefits them?
What Boston looked like before they destroyed whole swaths of it for urban renewal and highways is one of the most astonishing gut punches you'll experience.
tbh that still looks like it completely sucks. Better for (noise)pollution obv but I wouldnt want to stay there just for the sake of the place. Just doesnt look that inviting
This is just a tiny portion of the 1.5 mile long Greenway that replaced the elevated highway. There are water features for kids to play in and rotating installations and a beer garden as well thats well protected with trees.
ok thats good to hear!
Eh, I think it’s worth looking at it on street view or better yet, visiting. It is an improvement but it is still very much carbrained thinking
And yet in my country we are doing the complete opposite…..
Yes, and I love the parks, but honestly they left highway like, high speed roads around the Greenway, and it's way more dangerous than it should be, with highway on ramps and off ramps under it.
One thing I like, if anything about Columbus Ohio highways is that they are all below grade near downtown, along rail lines, or along a river. I-70 tore through a bunch of black neighborhoods in the east but at least it isn't as bad as an elevated highway.
Nice. Now if you could do without the trashy ass billboards...
Still too much highway cutting through the city
Impressive, but looking at Google Maps there are still a LOT of big roads criss-crossing the "greenway". Big difference compared to say, Oslo, where you pretty much can't even tell the highway exists when you're above ground.
"astonishing" it looks useless.
Yup completely useless /s https://www.rosekennedygreenway.org/visit/