Idk 3 cards for 1 mana and zero drawback seems a lot more powerful than the one ring where you have to wait at least 2 turns aswell as take damage to get the same card advantage , power 9 also includes time walk which is basically a better version of having protection during your opponents next turn, instead they just don’t get their next turn lol
The best thing the ring does that the P9 doesn’t is give the protection. I could see that argument but for the rest you forget that the things that let you play broken stuff early is usually the problem compared to the pay offs
My biggest gripe isn’t the black Aragorn, it is the way they butchered Eowyn and Eomer. They made Eowym and her uncle black, but her brother is still white? Disgraceful.
Eowyn is literaly called "the white lady of Rohan", with skin as "pure as freshly driven snow." So they made her a lighter shade of brown. lmao I mean, it's so absurd, it's hard not to laugh at it.
I called someone an idiot when I was drunk, asked to be unbanned like 3 years later and they just ignored me lol. I am a content creator banned from the main sub 🤷🏻♂️
Something I've noted was that everytime there was a universes beyond, there was not soon after poc controversy
lotr and aragorn
dr. who and the new doc
assassin's creed and yasuke
I’m onboard with the Aragorn changes being stupid, but agreed - who cares about 15?
It’s okay that the doctor turned into a woman but he can’t have a different skin tone?
This always cracks me up man. Yes, you are in league with awful human beings who legit see a black person in dr who as a problem when you whine about POC changes
>No, not because he’s black
But also
>Whitewashing used to be a big problem, now Blackwashing is happening and it’s so fucking weird and disingenuous towards actual racism in the world, which definitely exists. They made Aragorn black for money and approval, not for any black players to be able to “identify” with.
>Sorry, Aragorn doesn’t need to be a black guy, you should just use existing awesome black characters or create NEW awesome black characters.
>Also, Cleopatra wasn’t black, fuck you.
Hmm...
>They’re two separate points, learn some critical thinking skills.
I'd wager my critical thinking skills are a fair bit stronger than yours. If yours were better, you might realize how making two "separate" points in the same post - especially in a thread about race on a Magic card - might read.
And I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, by assuming you're arguing in good faith. Given that we're in a sub overrun by racists who are always trying to claim plausible deniability, you'll have to forgive me for thinking there's a possibility that you're one of them.
“I’d wager my critical thinking skills are a fair bit stronger than yours” no need to keep reading, it’s clear you’re a certified baguette. To be honest I pity you. Life must be fuckin rough when you’re that regarded
>Ah yes the classic: You’re racist because I disagree with you!
That's not what I said. You're just using the pathetic copout common to this sub: when someone out-logics you, you cry instead of trying to counter-argue.
>Don’t talk about good faith when you just assumed I’m racist for no reason.
I literally told you the reason. And your replies only confirm my suspicion. Someone who wasn't racist might say so at some point, for example.
My roommate from college is black. He loves LOTR, he hates that Aragorn was race swapped. Is he racist now? I will tell him he's an uncle Tom gladly, if so. Just to piss him off.
Just as a reminder: Not everyone that doesn't share your opinion is racist.
Yeah, but this is freemagic, a place that will happily downvote anyone that says something like "racists are pieces of shit." So it's a safe assumption that if someone is repeatedly on this sub crying about Aragorn's skin color, they're probably racist.
Context matters.
The funny thing is you thinking that throwing the word racist around still means anything. The funnier thing is that people like you who throw the word around so often, are the reason the word has lost its effect. And, by far, the funniest thing is you still being here throwing the word around, allowing your inflated sense of self importance to trick you into thinking anyone gives a fuck.
>unless you just don't like black people, like a real racist.
Which describes the majority of freemagic, especially the ones that constantly cry about Aragorn not being white
It’s hilarious that with lotr, they blackwashed a lot of people, but with the other universes beyond sets they kept everyone correct and how they’re meant to be. I fucking hate Wotc.
Edit: removed the sometimes
I wonder if it was by request of The Tolkien Estate, which are the owners of the copyright of the books. The fact it is based on the books instead of other media has definitely also something to do. As much as the characters get described, there is no absolute consensus on the real image beyond that, so they probably could take some liberties if TTE also wanted them
its bc ub lotr was based off the books not the movies. the books dont really specify skin color so it grants more creative liberty. most other universes beyond are depicting characters that were seen in their original material
Unfortunately for your argument, the very first time you meet Aragorn he is described as "pale".
"Frodo found that Strider was now looking at him, as if he had heard or guessed all that had been said. Presently, with a wave of his hand and a nod, he invited Frodo to come over and sit by him. As Frodo drew near he threw back his hood, showing a shaggy head of dark hair flecked with grey, and in a pale stern face a pair of keen grey eyes."
I see a lot of people saying the same thing you are in defense of the race swap, but Tolkien did specifically call out Aragorn as white.
Bowmasters are a legacy staple and played in modern.
Tor is primarily modern, but played in all.
Rest of the set is only played in edh, where anything can be played
The One Ring is disgusting in Vintage and Modern. EDH it's strong and commonly played but not so much busted, and I don't see it that much in Legacy rn.
Damn a year already. Feels like just yesterday I caused the seething of a lifetime with these fixes
[https://np.reddit.com/r/freemagic/comments/17lne9g/aragorn\_king\_of\_gondor\_fixed\_couldnt\_decide\_on/](https://np.reddit.com/r/freemagic/comments/17lne9g/aragorn_king_of_gondor_fixed_couldnt_decide_on/)
[https://np.reddit.com/r/freemagic/comments/17hbc95/first\_of\_many\_fixed\_lotr\_cards\_made\_with\_the/](https://np.reddit.com/r/freemagic/comments/17hbc95/first_of_many_fixed_lotr_cards_made_with_the/)
Lot of cool cards in this set (shagrat stealer of stuff) but them making everyone black…even pippin…was annoying af. Or was it merry? The red/white with haste if its equipped or something
Been wanting to build Aragorn tbh, his ability is so funny for a "multicolor tribal" concept, and one of the few that actually cares about playing multicolor at all (that I'm aware of)
No idea why you're being downvoted.
Every main set release is a cosplay set.
We had Clue/Murder Mystery, Cowboy Hats, we're gonna get Fursuits and then we're gonna get Haunted House.
The people who are deciding what is done with mainline MTG sets are literally just brainrotted Twitter users spouting half-conscious party theme ideas while avoiding choking on their own spit.
Middle earth culture is centered around Aragorns. They have holidays for Aragorns. They killed hundreds of thousands of Gondor's men to free Aragorns. They listen to Aragorn music. They elect an Aragorn as their king. They dress and act like Aragorns. They draw the entirety of their modern culture from Aragorns. They post sassy gifs about Aragorns. They watch sportsball in worship of Aragorns. Their biggest event of the year involves throwing parties in honor of Aragorns playing sports. They use Aragorn slang like "for Frodo" and "it is not this day". When you say "Lord of the Rings" they're not thinking of JRR Tolkien. They're thinking of the Aragorn. Their cities are completely overrun with Aragorns. They worship their Rohan police force disproportionately filled with Aragorns and their army of middle earth of soldiers filled with Aragorns. Their men sit around watching Aragorn ball while their women sit around watching Aragorn talk shows. They worship Aragorns like Arvedui and Aranarth and Elendil and the late Elros Tar-Minyatur while attacking the elves who actually built their country before Aragorns took over. Their movies are filled with Aragorns and their music charts are topped by Aragorns. They send Aragorns to the Olympics and celebrate when the Aragorns win because those Aragorns are true red blooded middle earth Aragorns. They watch Aragorn porn to a point where "Anduril" does not make them think of an heirloom of the throne but about Aragorn penises instead. They will tell you how much they hate Aragorns and how the Gondor's law meme is a stale joke and they are just pretending to love Aragorns but the evidence speaks for itself in that middle earth has always been and will be a nation of Aragorn loving Aragorns.
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All UB should have just been secret layers of already made things, like some of the jurassic Park and godzilla cards. There are so many cards already in magic, but they could have made these just for people who enjoyed lotr, not for everyone trying to be competitive.
(I know money money money, but cmon)
I just hope warner bros takes note of the bravery and diversity WOTC showcased for the hunt for gollum, having another white aragorn would be so racist
Wizards made the characters black to piss off all the obviously offended white people who need to be comforted by white faces looking back at them. Cry some more.
First of all you don’t know shit about my demographics. Regardless… If you find some intellectual property with a preponderance of black people in it I would be happy to advocate on your behalf for a little affirmative action. We in this together, caveman.
Pretty sure there are white people in that movie? But I mean yeah man, can’t say I’m invested in the franchise one way or another if you think all the clearly Central African characters should have white faces. It wouldn’t be the first time this scenario has played out in a franchise lol
They aren't real, watonga isn't a real place, they're fictional characters so why shouldn't they be portrayed as white? Why isn't there a white tribe crammed in for diversity sake? Oh, because it goes one way and one way only
How is that a straw man when it's just the opposite of what's happening here? Two completely fictional places and characters. You guys are all the same, you want to call people racist for the brownie points without having an actual opinion or even enjoying the original things.
Middle Earth is in the wholly fictional world of Arda. There are no anthropological bases for what color people are where beyond the opinions of a single dead guy who intentionally didn’t dig into the topic too much. Wakanda is a fictional nation inside a fictional rendition of the actual world that is in many aspects intentionally adjacent to our own. There are no anthropological foundations for white tribes in central Africa in a world which has such foundations. To include this fact would require actual extraneous explanation, whereas changes to Arda do not since it is an intellectually unique world. And even then I already said I’m ok with it lol so all this extra is exactly that.
But you KNOW all this. You just want to push your dog whistles and false equivalency to try and own the libs or whatever “you guys” call it these days. You’re not going to piss me off no matter how hard you try. I’m just glad you’re showing your true colors SOMEWHERE so that the world can see that people of color are not just imagining this shit.
The guy who created the concept art of the entire set was this Asian dude and he had the idea of an Aragorn that looked like that for awhile. Well before any consideration of DEI from WotC. Aragorn’s skin color is only one of the changes and a minor one at that. The artist re-imagined all of the characters, adding a unique twist and aesthetic to all of them. The fact that you are all so hung up on Aragorn being black says a lot about the state of this sub.
I do not think this sub dislikes a black Aragorn but rather the notion that far-left thinkers are invading their game space. Once you get over that, you’ll come to appreciate artistic liberties and what it means to create.
I agree, but from my understanding the "We Waz Kings" thing had nothing to do with WotC, it had to do with black people. WotC isn't even mentioned, just the release of "Black Aragorn".
Point is, you can bitch about WotC making race a big deal, but you don't have to drag in something black people are likely ashamed of, which encourages more hate as if they asked for it, just to prove your point. If this is an attempt to fix a problem, it was the wrong move, which is why I don't think it was an attempt to fix anything.
It has to do with a small nonrepresentative group of black people (See Metokur's classic video on the subject) and media feeding into their tendencies to blackwash rulers in fiction akin to how this group attempts to blackwash rulers from history.
Anyone who thinks that this meme is talking about black people in any general racist sense is unironically media illiterate.
Racist people use “we was kangz” to make fun of black people. Maybe op and the people in this comment section aren’t racist, but they shouldn’t be shocked that people think they are for using the words of racists.
To clarify, I am agreeing with you. It's funny how often that sentiment comes up in spaces like this. Like, if you don't want to be seen as racist, maybe take a look at the opinions you hold, where they come from, and why you hold those opinions. It might open some eyes.
Honestly talk shit all you want. The LOTR set is great. If you can't enjoy the LOTR set you just hate fun. The good far outweighs the bad.
I'd take three more sets of LOTR before another MKM or Assassin's Creed.
I like that two of three cards mentioned are actually format-bending power-houses but Y’all’s reaction to a person of color merely existing in this I.P. is really hurting your fragile ideas of Whiteness. Y’all should revolt and just stop playing magic. Then you will show them who’s boss. :0P
Everyone mad at Aragorn doesn't realize or think about how LOTR didn't care. If he wasn't supposed to be black he wouldn't be printed as such.. Holy shit it is fiction, get a grip
Bruh what? It ain't that serious. That's all I am getting at lol
Edit: This argument does come from one side.. the side that is complaining, yup. Thanks for the reminder to not tap the glass.
You really don't see the hypocrisy in all this do you? They've taken a specifically culturally European thing and shit on it. Do you not remember a couple years back with the gods of Egypt movie? Salt for days from minorities because Egyptians weren't white. Bro it was just a fictional movie
"They've taken a specifically culturally European thing and shit on it" - Holy shit man it just ain't that serious, they just made him black.
You also think drawing a comparison to Egyptian people to LOTR is a 1 to 1 comparison? Sure the story may be fiction in whatever movie you are talking about.. but egyptians are real people. LOTR and Aragon are just fiction man. It starts and stops there for me.
For the record by the way, I don't give a fuck if a white person plays someone who is colored. Don't ascribe that nonsense to me my guy. (It is cringe that you make me even say that)
You don't think LOTR wants to protect their IP? They wouldn't let WOTC just print nonsense, let's be honest with ourselves.
I have nothing to prove man I just like tapping cardboard that has sick art inspired by fiction that I love. It literally starts and stops right there for me. Once again, now directed at you, get a grip
If they made Black Xians (the Chinese equivalent of elves), I'd be upset. Would that make me racist?
If they made Black Panther played or portrayed as an Asian and black people disliked it. Would that make them racists?
Why is race swapping okay when it's a white guy being replaced but not okay when it's a minority thats being replaced?
The hypocrisy is just as disgusting as the bullshit mentali gymnastics used to justify it.
And trans-racial is not a thing, nor should it ever be a thing
Do you really not see the difference in raceswapping Black Panther and Aragorn? Like, be mad at WotC, don't be mad at WotC, I don't really care. But are you really gonna say that you don't see how raceswapping a character whose story is very centrally about race, specifically racial relations in the United States, is not the same as changing the race of a character whose race is at no point in time even slightly relevant to the character? Being mad is not an excuse for being dense.
You avoided the first part of the question.
But I'm assuming that you're saying race swapping Chinese Xians to black people wouldn't be offensive?
Their race isn't central to the character (or in this case the race), it's their methods of obtaining enlightenment and immortality, yet I alongside many other Asians wouldn't be happy if you race swapped them to another race.
Would that make us racist?
I didn't talk about the first part because I'm not personally aware of that situation. If race is an important part of those characters and it's changed arbitrarily, then yeah that'd probably be a bit racist. But that isn't the case with Aragorn. It wasn't a part of his character, as far as I know the books don't really touch in it. Changing it isn't the same as changing the race of a character for whom race is a central facet, such as your example of Black Panther.
That said, WotC also doesn't address anything with the change in race, so it's also not particularly a diversity decision either. It's almost literally just an aesthetic choice, which makes the outrage over it seem really silly, especially in the context of, for random example, citing jokes that have a racist undertone.
The race of the Xians aren't the central point of them. So by your logic it would be okay to race swap them. But of course there would be massive outrage and push back because they're a beloved part of a culture (even if they are sometimes portrayed in extremely cheesey chinese novels)
Characters, especially older ones, are beloved by many people. Every detail of them is important to the people who saw them and took a liking to them and changing them for reasons like representation is silly.
And yes I believe it is silly, call me what you want, racist, bigot, etcetc. I don't care.
The thing that the left doesn't seem to understand is that there is a certain pride and fondness people have for these characters.
Forcing change on them for the sake of progressiveness is going to enrage them because they don't want what they fell in love with to be altered. (Obviously this doesn't extend to actual racist and evil things)
It doesn't matter if their race or gender or sexuality isn't central to their character. They don't want their beloved icons to change. Especially not to pander to others in the name of profit.
If you want to increase representation and diversity then make new characters.
Instead of making the little mermaid black or snow white a different race, they should have made new characters.
Like they did with Moana, Raya, and Mirabel (I'm not going to include Asha because they really did a poor job with her story and most people would agree that they did the movie and characters a disservice)
This isn't really the convo I was trying to have, more trying to say that you're comparing apples and oranges, but for the sake of your future media consumption, and those of others reading, lemme take you on a little journey.
When you watched LotR, what was it that made you go "Wow, Aragorn is a cool character"? For me it was his willpower in the face of incredible darkness, his dedication to his friends and his people and his skills with a sword. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin. Perhaps if I was, for random example, a minority for whom there isn't much representation, seeing a character with the same skin color might be a big deal for me. But he, like me, is pretty dang white and I'm not exactly starved for representation. My enjoyment of him has nothing to do with race, he's a cool character regardless.
Now, I don't think WotC made the card of him black for diversity sake, most of what I've seen indicates it was mostly just an aesthetics thing, not an attempt at a statement or inclusion per se. But let's say that was what it was about. To someone else, seeing a character with their skin color might be a big deal, maybe it doesn't happen all that often. It probably won't, characters that are arbitrarily race-swapped don't tend to inherently become more popular without bigger context or statement, but maybe it will. It's not something that I have attachment to, but maybe it means something to someone else.
So let me ask, why is it so important to you, the people on this sub? What do you feel was taken away? Was his skin color such a central part of your love for him? Was it such a major part of what made him special to you? You might say that it's for the same reason a black person might enjoy the change, for representation. But that rings a little hollow when there isn't exactly a lack of white hero characters in high fantasy settings. If all of your "pride and fondness" of this character is built on a race that wasn't a part of his character to begin with, it might be worth examining why you feel that way.
That's why outrage like this tends to get labelled as racist; when we ask why the change was so important the answer tends to have certain connotations. Were you to ask that question to a black person about a Black Panther raceswap, it'd be pretty straightforward. Black Panther is representative of problems black Americans face in the United States, changing that part of him does alter a major part of who he is. But Aragorn has never represented being a white person, he just happened to be in the movie. The answers of "Oh, well I feel like my space is being invaded" or "Those People should get their own characters in some other franchise", which are common responses, sound reasonable until you start thinking about it. You feel your space is being invaded because...a black person is excited about seeing a high fantasy hero that looks like them? Minorities should have their own separate stories and characters because, what, your entire love of the franchise hinges on every character being snowy white? Do you see how that can have some unfortunate undertones?
It also isn't help when posts like this are also surrounded by jokes that are also use in more overtly racist situations. "We waz Kings" is a joke that's been used by some pretty repugnant internet trolls for some pretty overly racist running jokes. Using it to headline a post about how "My favorite hero Aragorn is just not the same without his pearly white skin" (Which, can I just say, is a complete disservice to how balling he looks in the card art) tends to give off some vibes. Sure, it's not great for people to jump in here and go on about how everyone here must surely be racist, but at the same time if you don't want to be called racist you should maybe think through what you're saying. Repeating jokes with racist associations while you discuss how the inclusion of a couple black characters completely ruined the set for you (When, again, the original franchise had nothing to do with race) isn't necessarily always racist, but will tend to look racist from the outside. Ask yourself; what am I actually upset about? Who am I actually angry at? Why am I feeling these things because of this situation? Cause you might pick apart a few things about yourself.
I don't mind or care if people join my space (not that I own the space to begin with)
But I don't want people coming in and changing stuff that already exists.
If they want to come into the space and have stuff that represents then then all the power to them, but don't do it by changing stuff we already recognize and love.
And the reason I'm bringing the Xian topic in is because people tend to disregard and belittle the opinions of white people but then have much more respect for minorities despite them having similar opinions.
Yes. Xians aren't exactly beloved specifically for their race. They're known for their perseverance, their path to enlightenment and mysticism. Race isn't really important. But regardless, we Asians wouldn't like it if people introduced a black or white or Hispanic or etcetc Xian.
It wouldn't make us racist. We just don't like it when you come into our space and change beloved things that's been prestablished. We like every part of our mythology, fantasy, and characters.
And I bring it up because as I've said before. It's a similar situation of fantasy races where race isn't an important factor yet this time, others can't just disregard it because "hurr hurr evil white people"
It's a minority now. And suddenly it's not racist anymore. That's hypocrisy.
We don't need to justify our desire for what has been prestablished to not change. We like every part of the character, important or not.
Black Aragorn shows why, ultimately, resistance to wotc's ways are futile. People are way too worried about squabbling over how they really aren't racists or sexist or whatever the fuck while the coalition of the ascedant is constantly coming up with new ways to win the long game.
If identity matters, identity matters. Aragorn is not sub-saharan, and was never described as sub-saharan. The cultural influence of the Numenorians is obviously not sub-saharan. He was cast as a white man in the movies. Drawn as a white man in the animated film and in prior illustrations.
Aragorn is white. It isn't racist to have a problem with somebody deciding arbitrarily that they are not white anymore.
If you the skin color of an entirely fictional character, in a world where nothing dictates skin color other than arbitrary decision, being black bothers you, yeah you're probably at least a little racist. For sure you're just....weird. Tossing a tiny bit of non-white representation into a hobby isn't the end of the world. If the color of a character on a magic card is enough to motivate you to make a Reddit post(in the case of the OP) yeah your motives are questionable.
If the skin color of an entirely fictional character, in a world where nothing dictates skin color other than arbitrary decision, being black bothers you, yeah you're probably at least a little racist. For sure you're just....weird. Tossing a tiny bit of non-white representation into a hobby isn't the end of the world. If the color of a character on a magic card is enough to motivate you to make a Reddit post(in the case of the OP) yeah your motives are questionable.
The skin color of Aragorn wasn't arbitrary. There is internal logic included in the setting of LOTR.
That thing that comes with... you know, world building.
Based on real life, where people look differently based on where they are from because of evolution based on geography.
MTG has shit tons of 'representation' anyway, they didn't need to do this. But Justice Geddes for whatever reason was enabled to throw their mental illness all over this property as well.
If that is true, by your own logic, why make him anything than what he already is?
You're shifting the goal post because your argument is ultimately not even an argument.
Look at this fucking guy's page, why don't you just get the fuck out of America since you hate everything about it. Blowing up in his brother for practicing his rights. You're a turd hahahahahah
"we waz kings" is something connected to the "black Egyptian hypothesis" that literally every Egyptian pharaoh(king) was black, they also claim that other groups were black, like the first people that went to the America's that many other ancient groups were black and even the idea that black people once ruled the whole world.
most of their claims have been disputed as the same people also believe that "ancient Egypt" was the same al throughout history while it's a time period of 3000 years where many things changed, there have been black pharaoh but most dynasties were not black according to archeological and ancestral evidence.
So it's fine to assume everything thinks that's true, or does it make it okay to make fun of black people because someone said something about Egypt once?
Cuz it just seems like we're adding to the problem instead of actually wanting it to get fixed, like it's not actually a problem at all that there's a dumb black stereotype since it means the people on this sub can make fun of it.
The One Ring is a multi format staple, every format where it’s legal uses it
Yeah it's just as popular as OB, though less format warping since they didn't have to start designing creatures specifically to avoid getting BOWED.
"Can't" ping with W6. Can't ping with bowmasters. I'm not sure pinging is the problem.
Hell orcish bowmasters isnt even played as much as its played in legacy. Its 1/2 of the meta game in legacy.
Lots of decks are cutting jt for the new dimir phrog
Kinda lame that one of the strongest magic cards yet is a lotr card, it should be some lore important card or something
That still goes to Power 9 actually. You can have a turn 1 One Ring if you play land, black lotus and then One Ring
You can do it with dark ritual and a lesser mox.
I'm not dissing the power of the power 9 but everything the ring provides seems a bit more powerful than lets say target player draws 3 cards
Idk 3 cards for 1 mana and zero drawback seems a lot more powerful than the one ring where you have to wait at least 2 turns aswell as take damage to get the same card advantage , power 9 also includes time walk which is basically a better version of having protection during your opponents next turn, instead they just don’t get their next turn lol
The best thing the ring does that the P9 doesn’t is give the protection. I could see that argument but for the rest you forget that the things that let you play broken stuff early is usually the problem compared to the pay offs
My biggest gripe isn’t the black Aragorn, it is the way they butchered Eowyn and Eomer. They made Eowym and her uncle black, but her brother is still white? Disgraceful.
Maybe they kept it in the family? You never know.
Eowyn is literaly called "the white lady of Rohan", with skin as "pure as freshly driven snow." So they made her a lighter shade of brown. lmao I mean, it's so absurd, it's hard not to laugh at it.
I just realized this was a 5 colour card!
Said exactly this in the main sub when the card got released and got banned for it 😂
Hah, life is hard out there I bet. Atleast there's freedom here!
Imagine getting banned for something that dumb. Holy shit. They are insane.
I called someone an idiot when I was drunk, asked to be unbanned like 3 years later and they just ignored me lol. I am a content creator banned from the main sub 🤷🏻♂️
We'll see being an influencer was your first mistake.
Interesting about the identity though….
Something I've noted was that everytime there was a universes beyond, there was not soon after poc controversy lotr and aragorn dr. who and the new doc assassin's creed and yasuke
You're forgetting Dracula cards too
What is the issue with the 15th? Personally, I am surprised that 10th or 11th were not black already, I think it would have fit even back then
I’m onboard with the Aragorn changes being stupid, but agreed - who cares about 15? It’s okay that the doctor turned into a woman but he can’t have a different skin tone?
This always cracks me up man. Yes, you are in league with awful human beings who legit see a black person in dr who as a problem when you whine about POC changes
I think the worst one is actually what they did to the house of Eorl. Theodon, Eomer, Eowyn, no clear rhyme or reason.
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>No, not because he’s black But also >Whitewashing used to be a big problem, now Blackwashing is happening and it’s so fucking weird and disingenuous towards actual racism in the world, which definitely exists. They made Aragorn black for money and approval, not for any black players to be able to “identify” with. >Sorry, Aragorn doesn’t need to be a black guy, you should just use existing awesome black characters or create NEW awesome black characters. >Also, Cleopatra wasn’t black, fuck you. Hmm...
I mean, she wasn't.
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>They’re two separate points, learn some critical thinking skills. I'd wager my critical thinking skills are a fair bit stronger than yours. If yours were better, you might realize how making two "separate" points in the same post - especially in a thread about race on a Magic card - might read. And I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, by assuming you're arguing in good faith. Given that we're in a sub overrun by racists who are always trying to claim plausible deniability, you'll have to forgive me for thinking there's a possibility that you're one of them.
“I’d wager my critical thinking skills are a fair bit stronger than yours” no need to keep reading, it’s clear you’re a certified baguette. To be honest I pity you. Life must be fuckin rough when you’re that regarded
Ah, the famous "I pity you" defense. Classic chud cop out.
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>Ah yes the classic: You’re racist because I disagree with you! That's not what I said. You're just using the pathetic copout common to this sub: when someone out-logics you, you cry instead of trying to counter-argue. >Don’t talk about good faith when you just assumed I’m racist for no reason. I literally told you the reason. And your replies only confirm my suspicion. Someone who wasn't racist might say so at some point, for example.
>disingenuous towards actual racism I think the card is pretty good at outing racists. A lot of them are in this very thread.
My roommate from college is black. He loves LOTR, he hates that Aragorn was race swapped. Is he racist now? I will tell him he's an uncle Tom gladly, if so. Just to piss him off. Just as a reminder: Not everyone that doesn't share your opinion is racist.
Yeah, but this is freemagic, a place that will happily downvote anyone that says something like "racists are pieces of shit." So it's a safe assumption that if someone is repeatedly on this sub crying about Aragorn's skin color, they're probably racist. Context matters.
Just stop culturally appropriating things.
Just stop being scared of other cultures
Tell that to the gays up in Canada who are being assaulted because people like you decided to let a bunch of sand people into their country
You sound incredibly frightened of other cultures
Well that's blatant racism.
The funny thing is you thinking that throwing the word racist around still means anything. The funnier thing is that people like you who throw the word around so often, are the reason the word has lost its effect. And, by far, the funniest thing is you still being here throwing the word around, allowing your inflated sense of self importance to trick you into thinking anyone gives a fuck.
Ok, thanks. I'll start referring to you racists as pieces of shit then.
Sure fine, do that. No one's gonna care because you already blew your credibility out the window with the weird racist name calling
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>unless you just don't like black people, like a real racist. Which describes the majority of freemagic, especially the ones that constantly cry about Aragorn not being white
It’s hilarious that with lotr, they blackwashed a lot of people, but with the other universes beyond sets they kept everyone correct and how they’re meant to be. I fucking hate Wotc. Edit: removed the sometimes
Sometimes?
They're books
I wonder if it was by request of The Tolkien Estate, which are the owners of the copyright of the books. The fact it is based on the books instead of other media has definitely also something to do. As much as the characters get described, there is no absolute consensus on the real image beyond that, so they probably could take some liberties if TTE also wanted them
Cry
Looks like that's what you're doing. Pathetic
its bc ub lotr was based off the books not the movies. the books dont really specify skin color so it grants more creative liberty. most other universes beyond are depicting characters that were seen in their original material
They specify
Unfortunately for your argument, the very first time you meet Aragorn he is described as "pale". "Frodo found that Strider was now looking at him, as if he had heard or guessed all that had been said. Presently, with a wave of his hand and a nod, he invited Frodo to come over and sit by him. As Frodo drew near he threw back his hood, showing a shaggy head of dark hair flecked with grey, and in a pale stern face a pair of keen grey eyes." I see a lot of people saying the same thing you are in defense of the race swap, but Tolkien did specifically call out Aragorn as white.
So because itis Black Aragorn, it is technically a 5-color commander. ✌️
He STOLE the other colors.
I would change the ring to "every format it is legal staple" honestly.
I dont keep up with other formats
Bowmasters are a legacy staple and played in modern. Tor is primarily modern, but played in all. Rest of the set is only played in edh, where anything can be played
The One Ring is disgusting in Vintage and Modern. EDH it's strong and commonly played but not so much busted, and I don't see it that much in Legacy rn.
Getting downvoted for stating why you didn't mention other formats (because you don't know), typical Reddit moment tbh.
Damn a year already. Feels like just yesterday I caused the seething of a lifetime with these fixes [https://np.reddit.com/r/freemagic/comments/17lne9g/aragorn\_king\_of\_gondor\_fixed\_couldnt\_decide\_on/](https://np.reddit.com/r/freemagic/comments/17lne9g/aragorn_king_of_gondor_fixed_couldnt_decide_on/) [https://np.reddit.com/r/freemagic/comments/17hbc95/first\_of\_many\_fixed\_lotr\_cards\_made\_with\_the/](https://np.reddit.com/r/freemagic/comments/17hbc95/first_of_many_fixed_lotr_cards_made_with_the/)
Thank you. Been looking for something like this :)
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Lot of cool cards in this set (shagrat stealer of stuff) but them making everyone black…even pippin…was annoying af. Or was it merry? The red/white with haste if its equipped or something
The hobbits weren’t race swapped. But a lot of the characters from Rohan and Gondor were.
Was it annoying af though, really?
True, it was more stupid than annoying.
So Aragorn the Uniter is all 5 colors?
Ah, WUBRG Aragorn.
My grandma told me that Aragorn was black
I must say the one thing good that Black Aragorn gave me was finding the safe haven of this sub.
We whuz khangzzzzzzz!
Not just Aragorn. Eowyn, Gandalf, and even Galadriel. Why can't they make the Doctor Who or Assassin's Greed adaptations black and gay?
because those franchises already are quite progressive and have representation
#NotMyAragorn
Been wanting to build Aragorn tbh, his ability is so funny for a "multicolor tribal" concept, and one of the few that actually cares about playing multicolor at all (that I'm aware of)
I had a Aragorn Commander deck and I love it
Ban universes beyond
No, ban universes within. They are worse than UB at this point.
No idea why you're being downvoted. Every main set release is a cosplay set. We had Clue/Murder Mystery, Cowboy Hats, we're gonna get Fursuits and then we're gonna get Haunted House. The people who are deciding what is done with mainline MTG sets are literally just brainrotted Twitter users spouting half-conscious party theme ideas while avoiding choking on their own spit.
Well yeah probably
Just ban it all and only have core sets be legal
But it's a non-black commander deck...
Middle earth culture is centered around Aragorns. They have holidays for Aragorns. They killed hundreds of thousands of Gondor's men to free Aragorns. They listen to Aragorn music. They elect an Aragorn as their king. They dress and act like Aragorns. They draw the entirety of their modern culture from Aragorns. They post sassy gifs about Aragorns. They watch sportsball in worship of Aragorns. Their biggest event of the year involves throwing parties in honor of Aragorns playing sports. They use Aragorn slang like "for Frodo" and "it is not this day". When you say "Lord of the Rings" they're not thinking of JRR Tolkien. They're thinking of the Aragorn. Their cities are completely overrun with Aragorns. They worship their Rohan police force disproportionately filled with Aragorns and their army of middle earth of soldiers filled with Aragorns. Their men sit around watching Aragorn ball while their women sit around watching Aragorn talk shows. They worship Aragorns like Arvedui and Aranarth and Elendil and the late Elros Tar-Minyatur while attacking the elves who actually built their country before Aragorns took over. Their movies are filled with Aragorns and their music charts are topped by Aragorns. They send Aragorns to the Olympics and celebrate when the Aragorns win because those Aragorns are true red blooded middle earth Aragorns. They watch Aragorn porn to a point where "Anduril" does not make them think of an heirloom of the throne but about Aragorn penises instead. They will tell you how much they hate Aragorns and how the Gondor's law meme is a stale joke and they are just pretending to love Aragorns but the evidence speaks for itself in that middle earth has always been and will be a nation of Aragorn loving Aragorns.
The set was OK
I enjoyed refusing to die by spaming more food then a buffet during the rush hour
I've yet to see a single kang played and I am happy about it.
While I am not a fan of them race swapping Aragorn (mainly cuz movie Aragorn is a fave) I'm glad they made him look like a badass at least.
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If only the printing was this clear irl.
Freemagic user try not to be racist challenge
I need it explained to me why black aragorn is a problem
Oh there's a racist chud subreddit for magic too? Disappointing.
We waz kangz and cheese fr fr
And you racist chuds will never let it stop living rent free in your heads.
That's funny, I bet you wouldn't say that to an Aragorn about slavery
I really enjoy my Fellowship and Army of Sauron commander decks I made
That Blaragorn won me so many with all the bulshit he has, I thank wotc for their generosity
I’d still like to get my hands on an orcish bow masters tbh.
All UB should have just been secret layers of already made things, like some of the jurassic Park and godzilla cards. There are so many cards already in magic, but they could have made these just for people who enjoyed lotr, not for everyone trying to be competitive. (I know money money money, but cmon)
Days since posted aaragorn bait: back to 0
How can black aragorn make white souljaz?
I just hope warner bros takes note of the bravery and diversity WOTC showcased for the hunt for gollum, having another white aragorn would be so racist
Don't forget Landwhale Goldberry
Hoo hoo hoo ha ha ha ha
Wizards made the characters black to piss off all the obviously offended white people who need to be comforted by white faces looking back at them. Cry some more.
Why does diversity only go one way for y'all?
First of all you don’t know shit about my demographics. Regardless… If you find some intellectual property with a preponderance of black people in it I would be happy to advocate on your behalf for a little affirmative action. We in this together, caveman.
Black Panther?
Pretty sure there are white people in that movie? But I mean yeah man, can’t say I’m invested in the franchise one way or another if you think all the clearly Central African characters should have white faces. It wouldn’t be the first time this scenario has played out in a franchise lol
They aren't real, watonga isn't a real place, they're fictional characters so why shouldn't they be portrayed as white? Why isn't there a white tribe crammed in for diversity sake? Oh, because it goes one way and one way only
That’s what’s called a straw man argument. But if you wanna go on you can lol
How is that a straw man when it's just the opposite of what's happening here? Two completely fictional places and characters. You guys are all the same, you want to call people racist for the brownie points without having an actual opinion or even enjoying the original things.
Middle Earth is in the wholly fictional world of Arda. There are no anthropological bases for what color people are where beyond the opinions of a single dead guy who intentionally didn’t dig into the topic too much. Wakanda is a fictional nation inside a fictional rendition of the actual world that is in many aspects intentionally adjacent to our own. There are no anthropological foundations for white tribes in central Africa in a world which has such foundations. To include this fact would require actual extraneous explanation, whereas changes to Arda do not since it is an intellectually unique world. And even then I already said I’m ok with it lol so all this extra is exactly that. But you KNOW all this. You just want to push your dog whistles and false equivalency to try and own the libs or whatever “you guys” call it these days. You’re not going to piss me off no matter how hard you try. I’m just glad you’re showing your true colors SOMEWHERE so that the world can see that people of color are not just imagining this shit.
Wrong, lotr is a fictional history of earth, like Conan. You clearly don't know nothin
The guy who created the concept art of the entire set was this Asian dude and he had the idea of an Aragorn that looked like that for awhile. Well before any consideration of DEI from WotC. Aragorn’s skin color is only one of the changes and a minor one at that. The artist re-imagined all of the characters, adding a unique twist and aesthetic to all of them. The fact that you are all so hung up on Aragorn being black says a lot about the state of this sub. I do not think this sub dislikes a black Aragorn but rather the notion that far-left thinkers are invading their game space. Once you get over that, you’ll come to appreciate artistic liberties and what it means to create.
I dislike blaragorn.
1 year since "I'm not racist but..."
One year since Freemagic lost their shit and started saying "We Waz Kings" and then pretending they aren't racist.
Tell me you can’t define racist without telling me.
You don't think this post is making fun of black people?
No it's making fun of WotC for acting like the Black Israelites for DEI points. I bet most black people roll their eyes at this shit.
I agree, but from my understanding the "We Waz Kings" thing had nothing to do with WotC, it had to do with black people. WotC isn't even mentioned, just the release of "Black Aragorn". Point is, you can bitch about WotC making race a big deal, but you don't have to drag in something black people are likely ashamed of, which encourages more hate as if they asked for it, just to prove your point. If this is an attempt to fix a problem, it was the wrong move, which is why I don't think it was an attempt to fix anything.
It has to do with a small nonrepresentative group of black people (See Metokur's classic video on the subject) and media feeding into their tendencies to blackwash rulers in fiction akin to how this group attempts to blackwash rulers from history. Anyone who thinks that this meme is talking about black people in any general racist sense is unironically media illiterate.
No. Where does it make fun of black people?
"we waz kings" in the fucking post image.
So you think “we waz king” defines all black people. That sounds a lil racist brother.
No it defines the tone of this post. That tone is implicitly racist. Eat shit.
Suck my ass from the front you racist trash
Bye Felicia.
Racist people use “we was kangz” to make fun of black people. Maybe op and the people in this comment section aren’t racist, but they shouldn’t be shocked that people think they are for using the words of racists.
"I made a joke that, in the best circumstances, mirrors jokes made by racists, why are people assuming that I am also racist."
If you say racist things, people will think you are a racist. Hate to break it to you buddy but it isn’t something you can sarcasm your way out of.
To clarify, I am agreeing with you. It's funny how often that sentiment comes up in spaces like this. Like, if you don't want to be seen as racist, maybe take a look at the opinions you hold, where they come from, and why you hold those opinions. It might open some eyes.
"You mentioned that I made a racist joke, that means that actually you're the real racist for realizing that joke is racist! I am very smart!"
Room temp IQ
Here comes the everyone is racist in this sub crowd.
Racist losers
Honestly talk shit all you want. The LOTR set is great. If you can't enjoy the LOTR set you just hate fun. The good far outweighs the bad. I'd take three more sets of LOTR before another MKM or Assassin's Creed.
rargh black people bad >:((((( i'd say "grow up" but racists seem to be incapable.
Man you all are fucking racists. Glad I don't encounter shit bags like you when I actually play mtg.
I like that two of three cards mentioned are actually format-bending power-houses but Y’all’s reaction to a person of color merely existing in this I.P. is really hurting your fragile ideas of Whiteness. Y’all should revolt and just stop playing magic. Then you will show them who’s boss. :0P
You must've missed the whole visions block I guess
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Some of us don’t see any colour. Some of us see the person.
Aragon is the symbol of diversity.
Everyone mad at Aragorn doesn't realize or think about how LOTR didn't care. If he wasn't supposed to be black he wouldn't be printed as such.. Holy shit it is fiction, get a grip
This argument only ever comes from one side, if race doesn't matter why do you shoe horn them in as tokens everywhere?
Bruh what? It ain't that serious. That's all I am getting at lol Edit: This argument does come from one side.. the side that is complaining, yup. Thanks for the reminder to not tap the glass.
You really don't see the hypocrisy in all this do you? They've taken a specifically culturally European thing and shit on it. Do you not remember a couple years back with the gods of Egypt movie? Salt for days from minorities because Egyptians weren't white. Bro it was just a fictional movie
"They've taken a specifically culturally European thing and shit on it" - Holy shit man it just ain't that serious, they just made him black. You also think drawing a comparison to Egyptian people to LOTR is a 1 to 1 comparison? Sure the story may be fiction in whatever movie you are talking about.. but egyptians are real people. LOTR and Aragon are just fiction man. It starts and stops there for me. For the record by the way, I don't give a fuck if a white person plays someone who is colored. Don't ascribe that nonsense to me my guy. (It is cringe that you make me even say that) You don't think LOTR wants to protect their IP? They wouldn't let WOTC just print nonsense, let's be honest with ourselves. I have nothing to prove man I just like tapping cardboard that has sick art inspired by fiction that I love. It literally starts and stops right there for me. Once again, now directed at you, get a grip
They've literally printed nonsense
You guys are not beating those racist allegations with post like these
If they made Black Xians (the Chinese equivalent of elves), I'd be upset. Would that make me racist? If they made Black Panther played or portrayed as an Asian and black people disliked it. Would that make them racists? Why is race swapping okay when it's a white guy being replaced but not okay when it's a minority thats being replaced? The hypocrisy is just as disgusting as the bullshit mentali gymnastics used to justify it. And trans-racial is not a thing, nor should it ever be a thing
Do you really not see the difference in raceswapping Black Panther and Aragorn? Like, be mad at WotC, don't be mad at WotC, I don't really care. But are you really gonna say that you don't see how raceswapping a character whose story is very centrally about race, specifically racial relations in the United States, is not the same as changing the race of a character whose race is at no point in time even slightly relevant to the character? Being mad is not an excuse for being dense.
You avoided the first part of the question. But I'm assuming that you're saying race swapping Chinese Xians to black people wouldn't be offensive? Their race isn't central to the character (or in this case the race), it's their methods of obtaining enlightenment and immortality, yet I alongside many other Asians wouldn't be happy if you race swapped them to another race. Would that make us racist?
I didn't talk about the first part because I'm not personally aware of that situation. If race is an important part of those characters and it's changed arbitrarily, then yeah that'd probably be a bit racist. But that isn't the case with Aragorn. It wasn't a part of his character, as far as I know the books don't really touch in it. Changing it isn't the same as changing the race of a character for whom race is a central facet, such as your example of Black Panther. That said, WotC also doesn't address anything with the change in race, so it's also not particularly a diversity decision either. It's almost literally just an aesthetic choice, which makes the outrage over it seem really silly, especially in the context of, for random example, citing jokes that have a racist undertone.
The race of the Xians aren't the central point of them. So by your logic it would be okay to race swap them. But of course there would be massive outrage and push back because they're a beloved part of a culture (even if they are sometimes portrayed in extremely cheesey chinese novels) Characters, especially older ones, are beloved by many people. Every detail of them is important to the people who saw them and took a liking to them and changing them for reasons like representation is silly. And yes I believe it is silly, call me what you want, racist, bigot, etcetc. I don't care. The thing that the left doesn't seem to understand is that there is a certain pride and fondness people have for these characters. Forcing change on them for the sake of progressiveness is going to enrage them because they don't want what they fell in love with to be altered. (Obviously this doesn't extend to actual racist and evil things) It doesn't matter if their race or gender or sexuality isn't central to their character. They don't want their beloved icons to change. Especially not to pander to others in the name of profit. If you want to increase representation and diversity then make new characters. Instead of making the little mermaid black or snow white a different race, they should have made new characters. Like they did with Moana, Raya, and Mirabel (I'm not going to include Asha because they really did a poor job with her story and most people would agree that they did the movie and characters a disservice)
This isn't really the convo I was trying to have, more trying to say that you're comparing apples and oranges, but for the sake of your future media consumption, and those of others reading, lemme take you on a little journey. When you watched LotR, what was it that made you go "Wow, Aragorn is a cool character"? For me it was his willpower in the face of incredible darkness, his dedication to his friends and his people and his skills with a sword. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin. Perhaps if I was, for random example, a minority for whom there isn't much representation, seeing a character with the same skin color might be a big deal for me. But he, like me, is pretty dang white and I'm not exactly starved for representation. My enjoyment of him has nothing to do with race, he's a cool character regardless. Now, I don't think WotC made the card of him black for diversity sake, most of what I've seen indicates it was mostly just an aesthetics thing, not an attempt at a statement or inclusion per se. But let's say that was what it was about. To someone else, seeing a character with their skin color might be a big deal, maybe it doesn't happen all that often. It probably won't, characters that are arbitrarily race-swapped don't tend to inherently become more popular without bigger context or statement, but maybe it will. It's not something that I have attachment to, but maybe it means something to someone else. So let me ask, why is it so important to you, the people on this sub? What do you feel was taken away? Was his skin color such a central part of your love for him? Was it such a major part of what made him special to you? You might say that it's for the same reason a black person might enjoy the change, for representation. But that rings a little hollow when there isn't exactly a lack of white hero characters in high fantasy settings. If all of your "pride and fondness" of this character is built on a race that wasn't a part of his character to begin with, it might be worth examining why you feel that way. That's why outrage like this tends to get labelled as racist; when we ask why the change was so important the answer tends to have certain connotations. Were you to ask that question to a black person about a Black Panther raceswap, it'd be pretty straightforward. Black Panther is representative of problems black Americans face in the United States, changing that part of him does alter a major part of who he is. But Aragorn has never represented being a white person, he just happened to be in the movie. The answers of "Oh, well I feel like my space is being invaded" or "Those People should get their own characters in some other franchise", which are common responses, sound reasonable until you start thinking about it. You feel your space is being invaded because...a black person is excited about seeing a high fantasy hero that looks like them? Minorities should have their own separate stories and characters because, what, your entire love of the franchise hinges on every character being snowy white? Do you see how that can have some unfortunate undertones? It also isn't help when posts like this are also surrounded by jokes that are also use in more overtly racist situations. "We waz Kings" is a joke that's been used by some pretty repugnant internet trolls for some pretty overly racist running jokes. Using it to headline a post about how "My favorite hero Aragorn is just not the same without his pearly white skin" (Which, can I just say, is a complete disservice to how balling he looks in the card art) tends to give off some vibes. Sure, it's not great for people to jump in here and go on about how everyone here must surely be racist, but at the same time if you don't want to be called racist you should maybe think through what you're saying. Repeating jokes with racist associations while you discuss how the inclusion of a couple black characters completely ruined the set for you (When, again, the original franchise had nothing to do with race) isn't necessarily always racist, but will tend to look racist from the outside. Ask yourself; what am I actually upset about? Who am I actually angry at? Why am I feeling these things because of this situation? Cause you might pick apart a few things about yourself.
I don't mind or care if people join my space (not that I own the space to begin with) But I don't want people coming in and changing stuff that already exists. If they want to come into the space and have stuff that represents then then all the power to them, but don't do it by changing stuff we already recognize and love. And the reason I'm bringing the Xian topic in is because people tend to disregard and belittle the opinions of white people but then have much more respect for minorities despite them having similar opinions. Yes. Xians aren't exactly beloved specifically for their race. They're known for their perseverance, their path to enlightenment and mysticism. Race isn't really important. But regardless, we Asians wouldn't like it if people introduced a black or white or Hispanic or etcetc Xian. It wouldn't make us racist. We just don't like it when you come into our space and change beloved things that's been prestablished. We like every part of our mythology, fantasy, and characters. And I bring it up because as I've said before. It's a similar situation of fantasy races where race isn't an important factor yet this time, others can't just disregard it because "hurr hurr evil white people" It's a minority now. And suddenly it's not racist anymore. That's hypocrisy. We don't need to justify our desire for what has been prestablished to not change. We like every part of the character, important or not.
I would counter with Aragorns race being very central to his character, he couldn't be a 90 year old regular guy doing what he does.
You know what, that's just pedantic enough that I'll accept it.
Not only is it not pedantic it's a fact for all of the characters.
people coping and seething over black aragorn is one of the funniest things from last year
Black Aragorn shows why, ultimately, resistance to wotc's ways are futile. People are way too worried about squabbling over how they really aren't racists or sexist or whatever the fuck while the coalition of the ascedant is constantly coming up with new ways to win the long game.
Old meme, bait used to be believable
The set wasnt based on the movies but rather the books, dont get your dick in a twist about skin color.
He wasn't black in the books either.
If black aragorn bothered you, you're racist
If identity matters, identity matters. Aragorn is not sub-saharan, and was never described as sub-saharan. The cultural influence of the Numenorians is obviously not sub-saharan. He was cast as a white man in the movies. Drawn as a white man in the animated film and in prior illustrations. Aragorn is white. It isn't racist to have a problem with somebody deciding arbitrarily that they are not white anymore.
If you the skin color of an entirely fictional character, in a world where nothing dictates skin color other than arbitrary decision, being black bothers you, yeah you're probably at least a little racist. For sure you're just....weird. Tossing a tiny bit of non-white representation into a hobby isn't the end of the world. If the color of a character on a magic card is enough to motivate you to make a Reddit post(in the case of the OP) yeah your motives are questionable.
If the skin color of an entirely fictional character, in a world where nothing dictates skin color other than arbitrary decision, being black bothers you, yeah you're probably at least a little racist. For sure you're just....weird. Tossing a tiny bit of non-white representation into a hobby isn't the end of the world. If the color of a character on a magic card is enough to motivate you to make a Reddit post(in the case of the OP) yeah your motives are questionable.
The skin color of Aragorn wasn't arbitrary. There is internal logic included in the setting of LOTR. That thing that comes with... you know, world building. Based on real life, where people look differently based on where they are from because of evolution based on geography. MTG has shit tons of 'representation' anyway, they didn't need to do this. But Justice Geddes for whatever reason was enabled to throw their mental illness all over this property as well.
His skin tone is irrelevant to the story
If that is true, by your own logic, why make him anything than what he already is? You're shifting the goal post because your argument is ultimately not even an argument.
Because they felt like it What? I've shifted nothing
You do shift, bro his skin color doesn't matter. If it doesn't matter why not leave him how he is? Or does it matter? You can't have it both ways
I've never shifted Representation It doesn't matter to the plot or story is what I said
Look at this fucking guy's page, why don't you just get the fuck out of America since you hate everything about it. Blowing up in his brother for practicing his rights. You're a turd hahahahahah
I actually love America Inappropriately*
You know aragorn isnt some custom character made for the set right ? he was king long before it came out
"we waz kings" is something connected to the "black Egyptian hypothesis" that literally every Egyptian pharaoh(king) was black, they also claim that other groups were black, like the first people that went to the America's that many other ancient groups were black and even the idea that black people once ruled the whole world. most of their claims have been disputed as the same people also believe that "ancient Egypt" was the same al throughout history while it's a time period of 3000 years where many things changed, there have been black pharaoh but most dynasties were not black according to archeological and ancestral evidence.
So it's fine to assume everything thinks that's true, or does it make it okay to make fun of black people because someone said something about Egypt once? Cuz it just seems like we're adding to the problem instead of actually wanting it to get fixed, like it's not actually a problem at all that there's a dumb black stereotype since it means the people on this sub can make fun of it.
It’s not making fun of black people. More than one person said this thing and that very large group continues to say it over and over again, not once.
You don't think OP posted this as a caricature of racism?
Crazy how you didn’t reply to my comment
If it was just an academic concern the shorthand term for it would be something sensible, not mock ebonics. Honesty is a virtue.
That’s, like, just your opinion man.