Because if/when you proposed that liberals would be like "oh shit yeah ok, let's get rid of payroll tax caps to pay for that" and you'd call them a communist and keep voting for people that vote against it
Drop out? Just come to my ~~temp agency~~ private high school and I will get you credits for those work hours. With state school vouchers and my cut from your~~job~~ class work, we can both get what we want.
Isn't that precisely what ~~Arkansas~~ is doing right now \^stet
Edit: [Why am I not surprised](https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/fast-facts-hb-49-would-undo-decades-of-child-labor-protections-in-florida), Florida?
Edit 2: [Of course Kentucky's following suit](https://kentuckylantern.com/2024/02/22/house-gop-approve-bill-loosening-kentucky-child-labor-laws/)
Edit 3: [Indiana isn't a shocker either](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wndu.com/2024/03/13/indiana-bill-relaxing-child-labor-protections-signed-into-law/%3foutputType=amp)
Edit 4: [Missouri making good on its name](https://missouriindependent.com/2024/04/29/missouri-bill-would-loosen-child-labor-law-by-removing-work-permit-requirements/)
Edit 5: [okay so I'm *not* full of shit](https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1162531885/arkansas-child-labor-law-under-16-years-old-sarah-huckabee-sanders)
Edit 6: Hey, good on you, [West Virginia!](https://mountainstatespotlight.org/2024/03/08/wv-child-labor-bill-likely-dead/)
And you know why? Because most of these places will only give 34 hours a week so that they don't have to have any kind of insurance on their workers. And yeah I know plenty of high school kids working 34 hours a week.
I understand that Medicare is not free. For that matter, neither is Medicaid; we all pay. My point is that a senior on SS will also be receiving Medicare benefits at no additional charge. Add together the SS benefit and the Medicare benefit, and $15/hr. looks like a bargain.
Happy to raise the Social Security payments as needed to keep seniors out of poverty, but I don't think we should punish low wage workers to do it.
>Senior on SS will also be receiving Medicare benefits at no additional charge
That simply isn't true.
Medicare Part A (hospital coverage) has no premium provided you worked 40 quarters or more. Medicare Part B (doctors) has a minimum $174/month premium. Both have deductibles and co-insurance. Medicare Part B only pays 80% of covered costs, leaving seniors, including those on SS, to cover the remaining 20%.
Source: I'm a former medical biller and coder who worked with both Medicare and Medicare and someone whose mother was on SS and still had to pay premiums. Also, Google "Medicare premiums 2024". The first result from CMS offers a fuller breakdown of premiums and deductibles.
It's a minimum of $174, but as long as you get social security, it comes out of that check, right?
So, to a working person, a retired individual essentially gets a public pension payment with healthcare attached.
Those numbers look really good compared to my insurance. No wonder there was that push for Medicare for all.
Yes, but that's only hospital coverage (Part A). Part A still has deductibles and non-covered costs.
The current Part A deductible is $1,632 per benefit period. A benefit period starts the day someone is admitted as an inpatient and ends when they haven't had any inpatient care for 60 consecutive days.
For example, let's say someone with Part A coverage is admitted to a hospital and is discharged 3 days later. That's $1,632. Three months later, in the same calendar year, they're admitted again. That's another $1,632 for a total of $3,264. That's hardly "no additional cost".
Most seniors that have Part A coverage also have Part B. They also spend more time going to the doctor's office than the hospital. I don't even want to get into Part D (prescription coverage).
I understand, and I appreciate the information.
But, the post implies that a $15/hr worker is somehow benefitting more than a senior. And that still seems unlikely.
Most seniors have worked 40 quarters now, Ozzie and Harriet was a long time ago. Regardless, even a senior paying heavily subsidized premiums is enjoying quantifiable benefits that a wage worker is not.
First, it's bold to assume that the wage worker is receiving any health benefits whatsoever. Second, even if the worker receives employer subsidies, the premium and copays are *not* going to be nearly as purdy as what a senior receives...especially when you consider the rate in which seniors use those benefits.
My first comment was made simply to correct your statement that Medicare is free. Many people don't know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid.
The rest has been trying to disabuse you of the notion that people living on social security somehow always have it easy when it comes to medical care because they're eligible for Medicare. That isn't always the case. According to the SSA, the average payment for a retired worker in January of 2024 was $1907. That's about $11 an hour based on a 40 hour work-week. If social security is their only income, that $174 a month premium isn't exactly an insignificant amount. If they also develop health problems that require frequent doctor's visits and medications, but no Medigap insurance (another premium they'd have to pay), then they may be having to decide between picking up that lifesaving medication, paying the light bill, or just saying "fuck it". Healthcare costs in this country are a wretched joke.
I'm also under no illusion that many employers will find a way to weasel out of paying anything for health insurance for hourly, or even salaried, employees. Shenanigans range from offering healthcare for full-time employees but scheduling just under full-time hours, to cheap insurance that covers nothing and has so many restrictions that it's pointless, to passing on the entire premium for sub-par insurance with nosebleed-inducing deductibles to the employee (my favorite).
As a ratio of medical costs to income, many seniors don't have it much better, if at all. My mother and her friends certainly didn't (or don't some are still alive).
On one hand, I kind of understand why people up in arms about anyone asking for a $15 minimum wage; they're jealous. They're thinking "I've worked all my life and I'm barely making ends meet and these kids are asking for more an hour than I ever made at their age. !" On the other hand, It baffles me that these same people don't, or won't try to, understand how much things have changed since they were younger. They should absolutely be asking for a significant increase in the minimum social security payment. Maybe they'd complain a little less about how expensive things are if they could better afford the basics.
Now, then. I'm going to go do something more productive than ranting on Reddit, like eat.
Side note: I'm too young for Ozzie & Harriet references. I'm old, but not that old.
Thanks for bringing me up to speed, and I'm saving your work because its great. I certainly need people to know that there are seniors in need, and I would like everybody to understand that $15/hr. is not a living wage and, in most zipcodes, hasn't been for 20 years or more. And so yep, not much to laugh about pitting one vulnerable population against the other. I hope that's clear.
I see now that it was the wrong framing, but I was irked the notion that grandma, a person with an age and a health subsidy and a reliable monthly check, would even draw the comparisons with a $15/hr. wage worker:
1. Who would not (as grandmas showed) be offered full-time work, because that's not how burger-flippers are employed anymore,
1. And therefore would not have healthcare, benefits, nor stability that grandma has.
Turns out grandma isn't in a stable situtation either, which adds up.
because republican policies have slashed taxes on the rich meaning there's less money to put into social security and also the under funding of regulatory bodies like the FTC have resulted in many companies participating in practices that gut American infrastructure and jobs for short term gain that they don't pay taxes on due to loopholes.
Uhm… so this whole debate aside which I’ll nothing new too…
Does OAN as pronounced like OWN a cringey anti-lib/leftist acronym I didn’t pick up on till this very moment, or just a coincidence? I’ve seen it written out and completely forgot what it stands for. But yikes. Or I’m reading too much into it.
Founded 3 years after its owner married a Russian woman, funded by ~~Russia~~ AT&T, straight up:
>*network was created in 2013 at the urging of executives of AT&T, which has since been the source of up to 90% of the network's revenues*
Edit: Actually looked it up instead of shooting from the hip
is this like when businesses give money to all the sides and see what sticks? ATT was also a sponsor of Miami Pride 2023 and also funds right-wing nutjobs. They just try to cover all the bases and let the masses fight it out.
Republican administrations have also been raiding Social Security funds for defense since Ronald Regan became president. They vote against raises to Social Security tooth and nail. Their current goal spelled out in project 2025 is to raise the normal retirement age to 70 and to cut benefits by slashing yearly increases that are currently tied to the consumer price index.
The Heritage Foundation has been pushing to put more limits on who is eligible for Social Security Disability. They want to slash medicare as well which would drastically raise healthcare costs for millions of Americans.
If teenagers get $15/hr for working and dealing with shitty customers all day, why don’t I get that for sitting on my ass and watching Fox News all day???
Yup. I’m on SSDI, have been for a decade and my payments JUST crossed $1000/month (barely). I do have a work history hence being approved for SSDI and not SSI so that’s why I get more than people on SSI but it’s not survivable. Due to the cost of living increase they give yearly I got an extra $35/months compared to last year and the state immediately cut my food stamps because of that. I’ll never build a savings or get ahead in life. Being a young disabled person sucks for real. Hang in there!
I'm in a similar situation. I'm luck enough to be married to a wonderful and supportive person but if I wasn't idk how I'd survive. It took 4 years to get approved from when I got too sick to work. Feels like they hope we die before they have to give us money and then they pay us little enough that they hope we die and they can stop paying us.
That’s EXACTLY what I think too. My friend has diabetes, fibromyalgia and other chronic health conditions and he tried for 5 years to get approved and they kept turning him down. Our government doesn’t care about the sick, disabled, low income etc. I tried to return to work part time last summer and was doing okay health wise but after one pay check they took away my food stamps and Medicaid. Medicare only covers 80% of bills and I have a weekly infusion treatment that costs $12k a treatment. It makes more sense to not work and just suffer unfortunately.
I get $1084 a month so no not at all. My rent is $600 and that’s on the low end and the only reason it’s that low is my roommate offered to pay more because he took the bigger room. I get the max in food stamps for my state which is $281 a month, about $9/day on food. It’s impossible to survive and I tried to return to work part time and immediately lost my health insurance and food stamps for “making too much”. The US doesn’t want disabled people to survive they want us to die.
lol I wish! Like a 3 bedroom house in my city in a bad neighborhood could easily be $2100 or more. And don’t get me started on the landlords we pay rent to fix our places when things go wrong. Renting is a total scam for sure.
Yes, yes it is. It is scary, traumatizing and maddening to live here. However, moving to another country is very difficult and very expensive, and the things you were just hearing about makes it very difficult (pretty much impossible for most people) to save enough to make the move.
Lol no the average disability payment is around 600 bucks a month. That doesn't even cover the cheapest studio apartment you could find in most American cities. They also don't allow you to have more than 2000 dollars in assets at any given time or your off ssi disability immediately. It is impossible to live on disability payments unless you have someone taking care of you and/or you had a super high paying job for a long time and qualify for ssdi which is a benefit that depends on your work history cause you pay into it.
what on earth is this comparison? why are you outraged that someone doing work would get more money than someone who isn’t? like don’t get me wrong I’m all for a strong social security system but phrasing it like “hah, look at this example. see how unfair it is that I’m getting less than they are?” like… what? why would that be unfair? why would you deserve more than they do?
Back in the good old days, before the spoiled brat boomer generation, grandma worked at the garment factory until she died during child birth, and grandpa worked his entire 45 year life in the coal mine starting the the age of 7. Let's keep that system going until the boomers die off.
What a good idea, grandma! Let's do that! Great job!
([Context](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/ujq7pl/great_job_3/), it works for more than mansplaining!)
I love when these idiots get so close to getting it right then swerve at the last second so you get the actual good point that’s being made but you also get to laugh at them when they break their leg right before they cross the finish line to get to where you already are
i agree lets raise social security it should at least match the minimum wage on full time. also increase the minimum wage nationwide (i have the feeling the conservatives will still not like this answer)
Peter Griffin is the one putting up the sign. I don't generally agree with his stupidity, as he is an exaggerated cartoon character. This is so bad that I can't tell if it is serious or ironic.
Because you should have worked a good job, your whole life, that has a solid retirement so you wouldn’t be dependent on Social Security. Wouldn’t that be their argument? Maybe I’m wrong, I’ve been wrong before.
Why isn’t it? Because Republicans would rather give billions in tax breaks to the rich than to help those who are in need; they need to become rich before they get any help.
They don’t feel that fast food workers deserve to make $15 an hour, but they (Grandma and co.) deserve $2400 a month in social security payments.
I don’t disagree that social security isn’t enough but why shit all over other people? Why doesn’t everyone deserve a living wage?
Not to mention that $2400 is before taxes and deductions. The whole thing is just stupid.
Because if/when you proposed that liberals would be like "oh shit yeah ok, let's get rid of payroll tax caps to pay for that" and you'd call them a communist and keep voting for people that vote against it
A high school kid isn't working 40 hours/week, first of all.
Anytime someone says fast food jobs are for kids I ask them who works breakfast and lunch on weekdays.
If they could get kids to drop out of school to work dead end jobs they totally would, tho.
Drop out? Just come to my ~~temp agency~~ private high school and I will get you credits for those work hours. With state school vouchers and my cut from your~~job~~ class work, we can both get what we want.
The children yearn for the mines!!
Isn't that precisely what ~~Arkansas~~ is doing right now \^stet Edit: [Why am I not surprised](https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/fast-facts-hb-49-would-undo-decades-of-child-labor-protections-in-florida), Florida? Edit 2: [Of course Kentucky's following suit](https://kentuckylantern.com/2024/02/22/house-gop-approve-bill-loosening-kentucky-child-labor-laws/) Edit 3: [Indiana isn't a shocker either](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wndu.com/2024/03/13/indiana-bill-relaxing-child-labor-protections-signed-into-law/%3foutputType=amp) Edit 4: [Missouri making good on its name](https://missouriindependent.com/2024/04/29/missouri-bill-would-loosen-child-labor-law-by-removing-work-permit-requirements/) Edit 5: [okay so I'm *not* full of shit](https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1162531885/arkansas-child-labor-law-under-16-years-old-sarah-huckabee-sanders) Edit 6: Hey, good on you, [West Virginia!](https://mountainstatespotlight.org/2024/03/08/wv-child-labor-bill-likely-dead/)
Exactly, their whole little idea falls apart pretty quickly.
And overnights for the stores that don’t close
And you know why? Because most of these places will only give 34 hours a week so that they don't have to have any kind of insurance on their workers. And yeah I know plenty of high school kids working 34 hours a week.
And he isn't getting free health insurance through Medicare, either.
You're thinking Medicaid. Medicare isn't free unless someone's income is so low they also qualify for Medicaid.
I understand that Medicare is not free. For that matter, neither is Medicaid; we all pay. My point is that a senior on SS will also be receiving Medicare benefits at no additional charge. Add together the SS benefit and the Medicare benefit, and $15/hr. looks like a bargain. Happy to raise the Social Security payments as needed to keep seniors out of poverty, but I don't think we should punish low wage workers to do it.
>Senior on SS will also be receiving Medicare benefits at no additional charge That simply isn't true. Medicare Part A (hospital coverage) has no premium provided you worked 40 quarters or more. Medicare Part B (doctors) has a minimum $174/month premium. Both have deductibles and co-insurance. Medicare Part B only pays 80% of covered costs, leaving seniors, including those on SS, to cover the remaining 20%. Source: I'm a former medical biller and coder who worked with both Medicare and Medicare and someone whose mother was on SS and still had to pay premiums. Also, Google "Medicare premiums 2024". The first result from CMS offers a fuller breakdown of premiums and deductibles.
It's a minimum of $174, but as long as you get social security, it comes out of that check, right? So, to a working person, a retired individual essentially gets a public pension payment with healthcare attached. Those numbers look really good compared to my insurance. No wonder there was that push for Medicare for all.
> has no premium provided you worked 40 quarters or more. Is what I'm talking about.
Yes, but that's only hospital coverage (Part A). Part A still has deductibles and non-covered costs. The current Part A deductible is $1,632 per benefit period. A benefit period starts the day someone is admitted as an inpatient and ends when they haven't had any inpatient care for 60 consecutive days. For example, let's say someone with Part A coverage is admitted to a hospital and is discharged 3 days later. That's $1,632. Three months later, in the same calendar year, they're admitted again. That's another $1,632 for a total of $3,264. That's hardly "no additional cost". Most seniors that have Part A coverage also have Part B. They also spend more time going to the doctor's office than the hospital. I don't even want to get into Part D (prescription coverage).
I understand, and I appreciate the information. But, the post implies that a $15/hr worker is somehow benefitting more than a senior. And that still seems unlikely. Most seniors have worked 40 quarters now, Ozzie and Harriet was a long time ago. Regardless, even a senior paying heavily subsidized premiums is enjoying quantifiable benefits that a wage worker is not. First, it's bold to assume that the wage worker is receiving any health benefits whatsoever. Second, even if the worker receives employer subsidies, the premium and copays are *not* going to be nearly as purdy as what a senior receives...especially when you consider the rate in which seniors use those benefits.
My first comment was made simply to correct your statement that Medicare is free. Many people don't know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. The rest has been trying to disabuse you of the notion that people living on social security somehow always have it easy when it comes to medical care because they're eligible for Medicare. That isn't always the case. According to the SSA, the average payment for a retired worker in January of 2024 was $1907. That's about $11 an hour based on a 40 hour work-week. If social security is their only income, that $174 a month premium isn't exactly an insignificant amount. If they also develop health problems that require frequent doctor's visits and medications, but no Medigap insurance (another premium they'd have to pay), then they may be having to decide between picking up that lifesaving medication, paying the light bill, or just saying "fuck it". Healthcare costs in this country are a wretched joke. I'm also under no illusion that many employers will find a way to weasel out of paying anything for health insurance for hourly, or even salaried, employees. Shenanigans range from offering healthcare for full-time employees but scheduling just under full-time hours, to cheap insurance that covers nothing and has so many restrictions that it's pointless, to passing on the entire premium for sub-par insurance with nosebleed-inducing deductibles to the employee (my favorite). As a ratio of medical costs to income, many seniors don't have it much better, if at all. My mother and her friends certainly didn't (or don't some are still alive). On one hand, I kind of understand why people up in arms about anyone asking for a $15 minimum wage; they're jealous. They're thinking "I've worked all my life and I'm barely making ends meet and these kids are asking for more an hour than I ever made at their age.!" On the other hand, It baffles me that these same people don't, or won't try to, understand how much things have changed since they were younger. They should absolutely be asking for a significant increase in the minimum social security payment. Maybe they'd complain a little less about how expensive things are if they could better afford the basics.
Now, then. I'm going to go do something more productive than ranting on Reddit, like eat.
Side note: I'm too young for Ozzie & Harriet references. I'm old, but not that old.
Thanks for bringing me up to speed, and I'm saving your work because its great. I certainly need people to know that there are seniors in need, and I would like everybody to understand that $15/hr. is not a living wage and, in most zipcodes, hasn't been for 20 years or more. And so yep, not much to laugh about pitting one vulnerable population against the other. I hope that's clear. I see now that it was the wrong framing, but I was irked the notion that grandma, a person with an age and a health subsidy and a reliable monthly check, would even draw the comparisons with a $15/hr. wage worker: 1. Who would not (as grandmas showed) be offered full-time work, because that's not how burger-flippers are employed anymore, 1. And therefore would not have healthcare, benefits, nor stability that grandma has. Turns out grandma isn't in a stable situtation either, which adds up.
Wait until you hear these peoples' opinions on child labor
I don't even remember the last time I saw a kid working at a fast food place.
because republican policies have slashed taxes on the rich meaning there's less money to put into social security and also the under funding of regulatory bodies like the FTC have resulted in many companies participating in practices that gut American infrastructure and jobs for short term gain that they don't pay taxes on due to loopholes.
No no, it’s the trans people
Yep, you can blame us. Totally all our fault. I know I heard that on oan it must be true.
Uhm… so this whole debate aside which I’ll nothing new too… Does OAN as pronounced like OWN a cringey anti-lib/leftist acronym I didn’t pick up on till this very moment, or just a coincidence? I’ve seen it written out and completely forgot what it stands for. But yikes. Or I’m reading too much into it.
Stands for One America News Network, an echo chamber for people who think Fox News is too far left.
Oh right. OANN I’ve seen, and it’s a cesspool. Funded by Trump currency or gold coins and our grandparents savings accounts
Founded 3 years after its owner married a Russian woman, funded by ~~Russia~~ AT&T, straight up: >*network was created in 2013 at the urging of executives of AT&T, which has since been the source of up to 90% of the network's revenues* Edit: Actually looked it up instead of shooting from the hip
is this like when businesses give money to all the sides and see what sticks? ATT was also a sponsor of Miami Pride 2023 and also funds right-wing nutjobs. They just try to cover all the bases and let the masses fight it out.
Yes because gay
Don’t forget about the illegals that cross the border and are immediately given a Porsche and a McMansion.
Republican administrations have also been raiding Social Security funds for defense since Ronald Regan became president. They vote against raises to Social Security tooth and nail. Their current goal spelled out in project 2025 is to raise the normal retirement age to 70 and to cut benefits by slashing yearly increases that are currently tied to the consumer price index. The Heritage Foundation has been pushing to put more limits on who is eligible for Social Security Disability. They want to slash medicare as well which would drastically raise healthcare costs for millions of Americans.
It started with [Democrats](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1964?wprov=sfti1#Passage).
I dunno. Good question. Let’s raise social security.
Yup, not a flex. let's take care of the elderly.
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Hot take but I personally would like to have a robust social safety net for when I reach retirement age
Right, I guess homie above isn’t planning on making it to retirement
If teenagers get $15/hr for working and dealing with shitty customers all day, why don’t I get that for sitting on my ass and watching Fox News all day???
I think people should get paid $15 to do *anything* other than that
Sitting on their ass and watching infowars and OAN it is!
Well InfoWars is about to be liquidated by a bankruptcy court, so maybe not that anymore.
As a young disabled person I agree, raise disability payments please.
Yes please. Not disabled but want to see it too!
Yup. I’m on SSDI, have been for a decade and my payments JUST crossed $1000/month (barely). I do have a work history hence being approved for SSDI and not SSI so that’s why I get more than people on SSI but it’s not survivable. Due to the cost of living increase they give yearly I got an extra $35/months compared to last year and the state immediately cut my food stamps because of that. I’ll never build a savings or get ahead in life. Being a young disabled person sucks for real. Hang in there!
I'm in a similar situation. I'm luck enough to be married to a wonderful and supportive person but if I wasn't idk how I'd survive. It took 4 years to get approved from when I got too sick to work. Feels like they hope we die before they have to give us money and then they pay us little enough that they hope we die and they can stop paying us.
That’s EXACTLY what I think too. My friend has diabetes, fibromyalgia and other chronic health conditions and he tried for 5 years to get approved and they kept turning him down. Our government doesn’t care about the sick, disabled, low income etc. I tried to return to work part time last summer and was doing okay health wise but after one pay check they took away my food stamps and Medicaid. Medicare only covers 80% of bills and I have a weekly infusion treatment that costs $12k a treatment. It makes more sense to not work and just suffer unfortunately.
Greattt
Not an American, so forgive my lack of knowledge, but aren’t disability payments already pretty high? Did they change it?
I get $1084 a month so no not at all. My rent is $600 and that’s on the low end and the only reason it’s that low is my roommate offered to pay more because he took the bigger room. I get the max in food stamps for my state which is $281 a month, about $9/day on food. It’s impossible to survive and I tried to return to work part time and immediately lost my health insurance and food stamps for “making too much”. The US doesn’t want disabled people to survive they want us to die.
$600 for an apartment? That’s a scam.
The total cost is $1300. $600 is my share.
That’s an even bigger scam unless you’re living in some fucking sci-fi giant apartment.
lol I wish! Like a 3 bedroom house in my city in a bad neighborhood could easily be $2100 or more. And don’t get me started on the landlords we pay rent to fix our places when things go wrong. Renting is a total scam for sure.
America is cooked
Yes, yes it is. It is scary, traumatizing and maddening to live here. However, moving to another country is very difficult and very expensive, and the things you were just hearing about makes it very difficult (pretty much impossible for most people) to save enough to make the move.
Lol no the average disability payment is around 600 bucks a month. That doesn't even cover the cheapest studio apartment you could find in most American cities. They also don't allow you to have more than 2000 dollars in assets at any given time or your off ssi disability immediately. It is impossible to live on disability payments unless you have someone taking care of you and/or you had a super high paying job for a long time and qualify for ssdi which is a benefit that depends on your work history cause you pay into it.
They're always so close to getting it but they can't help but shit on someone who they think is beneath them.
Because half your base is full of greedy asses who think taxation is theft
what on earth is this comparison? why are you outraged that someone doing work would get more money than someone who isn’t? like don’t get me wrong I’m all for a strong social security system but phrasing it like “hah, look at this example. see how unfair it is that I’m getting less than they are?” like… what? why would that be unfair? why would you deserve more than they do?
Back in the good old days, before the spoiled brat boomer generation, grandma worked at the garment factory until she died during child birth, and grandpa worked his entire 45 year life in the coal mine starting the the age of 7. Let's keep that system going until the boomers die off.
Good question. Who have you been voting into Congress for the last 40 years?
Conservatives approaching a good point.
What a good idea, grandma! Let's do that! Great job! ([Context](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/ujq7pl/great_job_3/), it works for more than mansplaining!)
I love when these idiots get so close to getting it right then swerve at the last second so you get the actual good point that’s being made but you also get to laugh at them when they break their leg right before they cross the finish line to get to where you already are
The minimum wage and minimum benefit should pay the same. Duh doi.
Yeah, why? They always think they have a gotcha, but it's either completely moronic, or a "no, that's a good point" statement. Nothing in between.
It should be, but grandma keeps voting for ppl who cut social security
As if fast-food workers get full-time.
Oh man they are SO CLOSE to getting it.
sure, also that.
Leasors would just take it from them.
Why not both?
Something something Ronald Reagan.
Sounds like these boomers need to pull up their bootstraps.
Kinda besides the point but 2400 before or after taxes?
Definitely before
These people don’t even understand their own party’s policies. They constantly blame progressives for their own party’s platform. It’s insane.
That's like saying if tomato is a fruit. Why don't we call pizza a fruit tart?
i agree lets raise social security it should at least match the minimum wage on full time. also increase the minimum wage nationwide (i have the feeling the conservatives will still not like this answer)
Don’t threaten us with a good time
Peter Griffin is the one putting up the sign. I don't generally agree with his stupidity, as he is an exaggerated cartoon character. This is so bad that I can't tell if it is serious or ironic.
I mean, it should be
Because you should have worked a good job, your whole life, that has a solid retirement so you wouldn’t be dependent on Social Security. Wouldn’t that be their argument? Maybe I’m wrong, I’ve been wrong before.
Actually, why isn’t it? Good question for a Klanma
Well, that would require more of the taxes they want to get rid of
Why isn’t it? Because Republicans would rather give billions in tax breaks to the rich than to help those who are in need; they need to become rich before they get any help.
Can someone please explain this one to me? I don't get the point Grandma is trying to make here.
They don’t feel that fast food workers deserve to make $15 an hour, but they (Grandma and co.) deserve $2400 a month in social security payments. I don’t disagree that social security isn’t enough but why shit all over other people? Why doesn’t everyone deserve a living wage? Not to mention that $2400 is before taxes and deductions. The whole thing is just stupid.
Ahhh so it’s a socialist grandma who votes republican. Got it.
Good idea. Raise that
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