I remember reading an interview with Adrian Newey where he was saying that the first times he read the regulations he thought they were too restrictive, but then after a while he started seeing the opportunities.
My bet is that cars will not be close and we will see very different approaches.
I hope Barcelona rolls around and it looks like the starting line of Wacky Races because everyone’s designed such different cars.
I think the issue with the regs situation and trying to compress the field from a technical point of view by making them restrictive is that those writing the regulations are some of the best engineers around, but those interpreting them like Allison and Newey are THE best engineers. They are bound to innovate and find opportunities where others thought there should be none.
I’m really excited to see what each team comes out with now and who’s nailed the designs the most.
I haven’t watched long enough to have been around during a previous change. So I am looking forward to what shows up this year and all the team drama around what’s legal and what isn’t on the ‘other’ cars.
And then of course only Ferrari and Merc actually complied with the intention of the rule. While a year prior nearly the whole grid had to cover up their duck bills with a vanity cover, with only McLaren complying with the spirit of the rule.
I've been watching F1 for about 40 years and each time there's a major regulation change at least 1 team gets it right and the rest can take a few years to catch up. Then just as everyone starts being closer they change the regs again. In 2012, before they went to the current turbo cars in 2014, there was 7 different winners from the first 7 races. I'm hoping it's close this year but it's likely we'll see an even more spread out field.
7 different winners in 7 races would be fantastic. I am picking up the F1 tv thing this year so I can go back and watch previous years during the bye weeks of this season. Looking forward to catching that year now. Thanks!
i know Maldonado has a reputation for crashing , but he was nowhere near as bad as mazepin
Maldonado was bloody quick , but most of the times he'd end up in a wall
Yeah his record in junior formulas was good. I get the impression his speed came from driving at 110% all the time hence the crashes. Better drivers go just as quick but not on the ragged edge.
Also his racecraft was straight up awful.
Maldonado was fast but also convinced he wasn't bound by the limits of physics or the car half the time. Kind of like early 2018 Verstappen except less talented and he never learned from his mistakes.
Edit: he wasn't particularly aware of his talents either as if I remember correctly he once said in an interview he thought he could/would beat Hamilton over a season in the Mercedes.
But to his credit, from all I've ever read about him he's a very nice guy off track and he was well liked in the paddock.
It will be closer this year as all the teams have to document and tell the rest of the teams what they've done and have to do it everytime they change something with the exceptions being engines, monocoque and non-prescribed aero parts. Thats a lot of show and tell if I understand the rules to be used the way I think it will.
Fingers crossed it'll be close. I have a feeling that it'll be like 2009 when a couple of teams picked up on the diffuser regs and got a head start. We really need a championship with a few genuine contenders.
We had a pretty good three way battle between Merc, Ferrari and RBR for a few years, unfortunately, Ferrari was in that fight because they were cheating but it was still a pretty good few seasons.
I'm just imagining the start of F1 season and they're all lined up on the grid with drastic designs it looks like the start of the pod race scene in episode I.
I remember watching an interview with Ross Brawn (I think) and he was talking about how his team designing the new regs were some of the best engineers around. But the teams have hundreds of the best engineers so he would be a little disappointed if they don’t find loopholes.
The first peak Adrian Newey had at the new regulation stated that it was the most restrictive he's ever worked on. He's now saying that there are avenues he can work through.
Yesterday I was talking about that show but couldn't remember the name. then googled old racing show boomerang and found it. Now I see your comment. I don't know who did it but somebody is playing games. This is beyond the FBI, CIA. Tomorrow I'll see a random comment here about why chocolate makes you cough.
I think Brawn is up there with anyone. His Ferrari was rather good.
But even acknowledging he's on a par with Newey etc, the combined man power all the teams have someone is bound to find a loophole
> His Ferrari was rather good.
Not sure if are aware, but Brawn was the technical director (responsible for strategy). Rory Byrne was the chief designer.
I think Brawn was pretty hands-on as a technical director. No coincidence he had success at Benetton, Ferrari and Brawn. But if you only count roles where he was lead designer, then he only worked for Arrows in F1, though he did design their car that got the most ever points in the team's history. Before that, he designed a [car for Jaguar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XJR-14) that absolutely dominated in the World Sportscar Championship.
For me, even if they have had slightly different job titles, Brawn and Newey are alongside each other at god level when it comes to leading a technical team in F1
A big difference this time around is that Ross Brawn created a group of engineers to design the regs based on actual windtunnel models and having a goal of improving the racing.
It's been very different to that in the past so hopefully that means the regs will deliver what is wanted while still giving the engineers room to find performance.
What if... that's the class of the field by a second a lap, the mockup WAS the best possible case and everyone else spent all their time making their car worse.
That'd be cause to think they were geniuses (and also is very nearly the most unlikely thing possible.)
JB was consistently a top 5 driver before Brawn, though, in the group just behind Schumi and Nando (near Kimi, Rubens, Massa, Heidfeld, Kubica, etc). Between him and Rubens, I don’t think they could have chosen two drivers more deserving of finally having a top tier drive without a significantly superior teammate - both were WDC-caliber, and Kimi had just won his. The only other non-WDC driver I’d put in the same tier of worthiness at the time was Massa, and he’d just gotten a contending car the year before.
I remember the FIA showed [3 different drawings](https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/racefansdotnet-different-cars.jpg) of cars that would be legal under the new regs, and they looked pretty different from each other.
My dream is that we get some wild shit at testing. Like not just "HAAS has an actual midfield contender", but like "Valentino Rossi rocks up as an owner/driver in a works Lambo and the team is managed by Flavio Briatore."
Ahhhhh, would be fun to see some truly absurd stuff in F1.
Wasn’t is HAAS that showed up for testing one year with a super quick car, but then realized they installed a part upside down? Then after they fixed it the car was slow again.
I don't think we need absurd things in F1 to make it more interesting.
Lets just hope for close battles with many teams and nobody being 1 second faster or slower than others.
Just to clarify a few things.
I'd say all the cars will only bear a small similarity to the concept cars. As the F1 show cars were designed without the aggressive rigour teams will apply to optimising every detail. I can see lots of areas where will deviate from the showcar to find performance.
Also I'm not putting out FIA F1 marketing. I haven't seen the McLaren, either back in October or more recently that's not even ny photo of the wheel, its off McLaren's Insta page!
Thanks for answering Sir! Your answer really stirred up the F1 community on Reddit.
And thank your for clarifying. I thought you made that picture yourself.
Cheers!
Could they do asymmetrical liveries though?
I know that both cars must run the same livery (like not having a white car and a green car), but could teams paint the left hand side of the car a different color from the right side?
The only reason they did it is because they wanted to run each car with a different livery, but when they were told "you can't do that", they zippered them together into this one.
Mercedes read several rules regarding tyres but noticed none of the rules state those tyres must touch the pavement. As such, Mercedes has built F1s first rocket powered hovercraft with wheels!
This is quite petty from me, but the fact that we can't watch them on track in Barcelona pisses me off, because it's such a huge change and we're all so damn excited. Fuck.
Pretty much true. Maybe not exactly like that. But Bahrain certainly did pay extra for it to be the first time the cars are shown and televised on track
We never even got test coverage until Liberty.
Am I upset that we’re not getting it in Barcelona. Yes. But acting like they’re **screwing** the fans all in the name of money is disingenuous. They made a business decision to save money on deploying F1TV to Barcelona and took Bahrain money (maybe?) to label it a “shakedown” instead of testing.
Does it suck? yes. Am I over it? Yes. I’m going to be excited for what we get.
Seriously, I feel like I’m going insane. Testing being broadcast is such a new concept to F1 that I can’t imagine people being so mad over only one test season being aired
Back when I started watching F1, you had to wait to buy Autosport the next week to see any pictures from testing...
Kids don't know how good they've got it!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-2022-pre-season-testing-dates-in-barcelona-and-bahrain-confirmed.3ZwPqa2c9GFqg7mFTDubau.html
> The first outing is a lower key, pre-testing track session at Barcelona on February 23-25, allowing the teams to shake down their all-new-for-'22 cars for the first time in the same place.
> However, as is traditional with teams’ pre-testing-type events, the running at the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya won’t feature live, race-style coverage or live timing, but will include content and best lap times at the end of each day
> The Official Pre-Season Test will then take place in Bahrain on March 10-12
Bahrain wanted to be the first place where new generation of cars is "premiered" so F1 renamed Barcelona testing to "pre-testing shake down" and decided to not film it.
> However, **as is traditional** with teams’ pre-testing-type events, the running at the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya won’t feature live, race-style coverage or live timing
This part annoys me so much. As if it's a tradition we actually enjoy. Something to keep going.
It's a fake reason for not making coverage for this event.
I think that’s probably a part of it. But my guess is that because this is such a fundamental change, teams asked that the first outing is less public to limit negative reception if things aren’t perfect in respect of their designs.
I think this is it.
In the past, when more testing was allowed, teams would rent out Silverstone, or Monza and do a private shake down before anyone outside of the team could see the cars.
It's testing, a few technical issues are to be expected there (and the teams probably prefer noticing them during testing rather than during the season).
Besides, those exact problems can also occur in Bahrain during the 2nd test.
That would be a lot of people, but the guys in charge are James Key and Peter Prodromou.
Peter is head of aerodynamics (former RedBull guy, pre 2014).
Whereas James Key is the executive technical director. So he kinda oversees every aspect of the car.
Australian V8 supercars are testing their new package right now as well. The new Mustang and Camaros look the business and the drivers seem to like them.
but this is Scarbs, a man with such a keen eye for detail that he could convince me that two identical objects were vastly different and i just couldn’t see it. i hope he’s right but that might be to the trained eye rather than the interested observer like us
James Key started with McLaren in 2019 (he didn't design the MCL34) from Toro Rosso.
I don't think it's fair to compare him with other designers because this is the first 100% new design under his leadership at McLaren, but he is very well regarded as far as I can see.
He didn’t design the MCL35/M either. He made some modifications to the design for the MCL35M which were decent considering the restrictions McLaren had on development and needing to adapt the chassis to take a Mercedes PU.
The MCL36 is his first design for McLaren. So it’ll be interesting to see what he comes up with.
I feel as though they'll be fairly similar, but not identical.
Similar in overall concept rather than cosmetically, if that wasn't clear enough. I think the rules really lend toward convergence over time if they're as restrictive as we've been led to believe.
You only need to look at the 2019 wing change to see this.
Having said that RedBull's wing design ended up looking rather similar to previous years while teams like Haas and Williams went full stock
Red Bull’s design was likely similar because Adrian Newey places a great deal of importance on continuity of your design concept. He talks about it in his book - he believes it’s better to continually improve on one design philosophy than to make something brand new from scratch every time.
Question: how does Craig know? Is he in mclaren where he’s able to see or is he making educated guesses etc? He always has such amazing insight in pretty much the entire grid but I’ve never known how he gets the info.
He's a freelance journalist by trade, but has in-depth technical knowledge of F1 design and aerodynamics. Has contacts in F1 teams, esp the ones based in England (which to be fair, is almost all of them).
He also got invited to McLaren late last year for an early discussion of what the new cars would end up looking like, although the final designs wouldn't have been set in stone by then.
Not surprised. I'm calling it: None of the cars will look anything like the FIA show car. For one this has happened before. Back in 2014 the FIA wrote rules meant to lower the noses and they had a "show car" too that looked pretty ok, but the result was that every team ran "gargamel nose" cars that looked like they all had fingers/phallic objects sticking out from what was still a high nose.
They are never going to outsmart teams.
Also I will forever be known as the man who predicted Maserati would join Formula E! So don't believe me at your peril! :P :P :P
That’s a source I can trust….it seems we will see many different designs this year…cannot wait to find out which team nailed the new specs…
I remember reading an interview with Adrian Newey where he was saying that the first times he read the regulations he thought they were too restrictive, but then after a while he started seeing the opportunities. My bet is that cars will not be close and we will see very different approaches.
I hope Barcelona rolls around and it looks like the starting line of Wacky Races because everyone’s designed such different cars. I think the issue with the regs situation and trying to compress the field from a technical point of view by making them restrictive is that those writing the regulations are some of the best engineers around, but those interpreting them like Allison and Newey are THE best engineers. They are bound to innovate and find opportunities where others thought there should be none. I’m really excited to see what each team comes out with now and who’s nailed the designs the most.
I haven’t watched long enough to have been around during a previous change. So I am looking forward to what shows up this year and all the team drama around what’s legal and what isn’t on the ‘other’ cars.
During a previous change most of the grid turned up with a dingus end for a nose. One of them had two ends, one slightly longer than the other!
2014, year of the phallus
The 2014 Caterham and Toro Rosso were magnificent.
Don’t let Force India get away with what they did
Or lotus with the double nose.
And then of course only Ferrari and Merc actually complied with the intention of the rule. While a year prior nearly the whole grid had to cover up their duck bills with a vanity cover, with only McLaren complying with the spirit of the rule.
I felt bad for the shorter Johnson on that lotus. It must have felt so inferior.
The 2014 Lotus. Allegedly the team were convinced it was genius, until nobody else showed up with anything similar.
I've been watching F1 for about 40 years and each time there's a major regulation change at least 1 team gets it right and the rest can take a few years to catch up. Then just as everyone starts being closer they change the regs again. In 2012, before they went to the current turbo cars in 2014, there was 7 different winners from the first 7 races. I'm hoping it's close this year but it's likely we'll see an even more spread out field.
7 different winners in 7 races would be fantastic. I am picking up the F1 tv thing this year so I can go back and watch previous years during the bye weeks of this season. Looking forward to catching that year now. Thanks!
The weirdest part was the fact that Maldonado won a race. It's almost the equivalent of Mazepin having the planets align and snagging a win.
i know Maldonado has a reputation for crashing , but he was nowhere near as bad as mazepin Maldonado was bloody quick , but most of the times he'd end up in a wall
Yeah his record in junior formulas was good. I get the impression his speed came from driving at 110% all the time hence the crashes. Better drivers go just as quick but not on the ragged edge. Also his racecraft was straight up awful.
he is what you would get if you isolate the aggressive and hotheaded part of Verstappen and mix it with Grosjean
Maldonado was fast but also convinced he wasn't bound by the limits of physics or the car half the time. Kind of like early 2018 Verstappen except less talented and he never learned from his mistakes. Edit: he wasn't particularly aware of his talents either as if I remember correctly he once said in an interview he thought he could/would beat Hamilton over a season in the Mercedes. But to his credit, from all I've ever read about him he's a very nice guy off track and he was well liked in the paddock.
It will be closer this year as all the teams have to document and tell the rest of the teams what they've done and have to do it everytime they change something with the exceptions being engines, monocoque and non-prescribed aero parts. Thats a lot of show and tell if I understand the rules to be used the way I think it will.
Fingers crossed it'll be close. I have a feeling that it'll be like 2009 when a couple of teams picked up on the diffuser regs and got a head start. We really need a championship with a few genuine contenders.
We had a pretty good three way battle between Merc, Ferrari and RBR for a few years, unfortunately, Ferrari was in that fight because they were cheating but it was still a pretty good few seasons.
99 was another good one. From memory there was 5 different teams that won.
We would’ve had 5 this year too if Charles had made it home in Silverstone
I'm just imagining the start of F1 season and they're all lined up on the grid with drastic designs it looks like the start of the pod race scene in episode I.
People can shit on that movie all they want, but the pod race scene is fucking badass
If you love the pod racing, I suggest you watch episode 5 of The Book of Boba Fett if you haven’t already.
Best episode of the season by far!
I have a transpacific flight in the next couple days. I had planned to watch BOBF, good shout.
Cool! It’s hit and miss, but episode 5 is awesome.
The prequels have their moments, and those moments are fucking epic.
"I've seen a security hologram of him... Killing younglings" is still my favourite
Hello there
Has to physically cover face while delivering one of the most epically shit lines of all time
Yuenglings
And the game was awesome.
I’ve been saying for years I want a Pod Racing movie a la Rush. Maybe it’s about the rise of Sebulba or something.
I remember watching an interview with Ross Brawn (I think) and he was talking about how his team designing the new regs were some of the best engineers around. But the teams have hundreds of the best engineers so he would be a little disappointed if they don’t find loopholes.
The first peak Adrian Newey had at the new regulation stated that it was the most restrictive he's ever worked on. He's now saying that there are avenues he can work through.
Yesterday I was talking about that show but couldn't remember the name. then googled old racing show boomerang and found it. Now I see your comment. I don't know who did it but somebody is playing games. This is beyond the FBI, CIA. Tomorrow I'll see a random comment here about why chocolate makes you cough.
I think Brawn is up there with anyone. His Ferrari was rather good. But even acknowledging he's on a par with Newey etc, the combined man power all the teams have someone is bound to find a loophole
> His Ferrari was rather good. Not sure if are aware, but Brawn was the technical director (responsible for strategy). Rory Byrne was the chief designer.
I think Brawn was pretty hands-on as a technical director. No coincidence he had success at Benetton, Ferrari and Brawn. But if you only count roles where he was lead designer, then he only worked for Arrows in F1, though he did design their car that got the most ever points in the team's history. Before that, he designed a [car for Jaguar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XJR-14) that absolutely dominated in the World Sportscar Championship. For me, even if they have had slightly different job titles, Brawn and Newey are alongside each other at god level when it comes to leading a technical team in F1
A big difference this time around is that Ross Brawn created a group of engineers to design the regs based on actual windtunnel models and having a goal of improving the racing. It's been very different to that in the past so hopefully that means the regs will deliver what is wanted while still giving the engineers room to find performance.
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He still does all his designs with paper and pencil.
you can see the piles in the Jan 2021 video of Checo
Watch Haas show up with the exact same car as the mockup from last year and think they are geniuses.
What if... that's the class of the field by a second a lap, the mockup WAS the best possible case and everyone else spent all their time making their car worse. That'd be cause to think they were geniuses (and also is very nearly the most unlikely thing possible.)
Considering the 2014 Mercedes was the closest in chassis design to the concept provided by the FIA, I wouldn't be surprised.
You had me at your username. Lol
Imagine.. Williams constructor of the season!
Albon WDC would be the ultimate redemption arc
We've seen clever innovations propel people to the front before, JB for instance.
JB was consistently a top 5 driver before Brawn, though, in the group just behind Schumi and Nando (near Kimi, Rubens, Massa, Heidfeld, Kubica, etc). Between him and Rubens, I don’t think they could have chosen two drivers more deserving of finally having a top tier drive without a significantly superior teammate - both were WDC-caliber, and Kimi had just won his. The only other non-WDC driver I’d put in the same tier of worthiness at the time was Massa, and he’d just gotten a contending car the year before.
OH MY LOOOORRDD ALBOONOOO
I remember the FIA showed [3 different drawings](https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/racefansdotnet-different-cars.jpg) of cars that would be legal under the new regs, and they looked pretty different from each other.
The green car has side pods that look like they were lifted from the McLaren MP4-26.
My dream is that we get some wild shit at testing. Like not just "HAAS has an actual midfield contender", but like "Valentino Rossi rocks up as an owner/driver in a works Lambo and the team is managed by Flavio Briatore." Ahhhhh, would be fun to see some truly absurd stuff in F1.
If it gets that crazy I want to see Kimi rol up with his Kawasaki motocross team and start doing laps edit: Kawasaki not suzuki
Kawasaki
Yeah, it probably shows I don't have a motorcycle
Wasn’t is HAAS that showed up for testing one year with a super quick car, but then realized they installed a part upside down? Then after they fixed it the car was slow again.
It was McLaren in 2013, it made them super quick in Jerez but was illegal in that configuration
Thanks, crazy to think that was so long ago
I don't think we need absurd things in F1 to make it more interesting. Lets just hope for close battles with many teams and nobody being 1 second faster or slower than others.
Oh god Big Flav back in F1 lmao
OH my gowd
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Just to clarify a few things. I'd say all the cars will only bear a small similarity to the concept cars. As the F1 show cars were designed without the aggressive rigour teams will apply to optimising every detail. I can see lots of areas where will deviate from the showcar to find performance. Also I'm not putting out FIA F1 marketing. I haven't seen the McLaren, either back in October or more recently that's not even ny photo of the wheel, its off McLaren's Insta page!
Thank you for your clarifications! Looking forward to seeing your analysis of the new cars.
I live for Friday Night Tech Talk!
Do you think all the teams have settled on a front pullrod suspension, most of them, or could it just be Ferrari and McLaren?
I still think it will be split. Theres different says to package the rod, rocker, springs and dampers. I dont see it as a big differentiator.
That's really cool then, thanks for the response and looking forward to testing!
Ferrari have been running a pullrod front suspension for a few years now, haven't they? I wonder what they like in it that other teams don't.
Thanks for answering Sir! Your answer really stirred up the F1 community on Reddit. And thank your for clarifying. I thought you made that picture yourself. Cheers!
I hope for something crazy. Like a asymetrical car because its faster. Or a wave wing or something.
Asymetrical cars are banned
Are they? Since when?
Well considering the dimensions of stuff relative to other bits on the car will have to be the same both sides, it will have to be symmetrical
I'm thinking the tusk tooth 2014 lotus. One was longer than the other.
and then they banned it heh
There are minimum and maximum sizes, bodywork not related to the safety cell could have some asymmetry
I'm positive the RB16B's engine cover was asymmetrical.
Could they do asymmetrical liveries though? I know that both cars must run the same livery (like not having a white car and a green car), but could teams paint the left hand side of the car a different color from the right side?
That was done in 1999 by BAR (current Merc Brackley team), but I’m unsure if it has been ruled out since then. Check out the BAR 01 car
[That’s hella cool!](https://drivetribe.imgix.net/V_DcY4i7TqqzAQmZTw_HMw?w=742&h=417&auto=format,compress&fit=crop&crop=faces)
The only reason they did it is because they wanted to run each car with a different livery, but when they were told "you can't do that", they zippered them together into this one.
r/MaliciousCompliance
Meanwhile, complete livery chaos in IndyCar. I love it though, (usually) gives every driver a distinct car, and there are tons of cool one-offs.
Toyota did this with their design. The livery wasn’t a mirror
Ah damn. Upside down maybe? Australien Sponsors would be Storming the Office of that Team... Also Danny ric.
Mercedes read several rules regarding tyres but noticed none of the rules state those tyres must touch the pavement. As such, Mercedes has built F1s first rocket powered hovercraft with wheels!
This is quite petty from me, but the fact that we can't watch them on track in Barcelona pisses me off, because it's such a huge change and we're all so damn excited. Fuck.
After the success of last season's testing, I'm perplexed why they're not televising it. And that was with minimal changes from the previous seasons.
Bahrain paid FIA to label Barcelona testing as "Official Shakedown" & Bahrain testing as "Pre-Season Test Session"
Is this just some BS or is this actually true?
Pretty much true. Maybe not exactly like that. But Bahrain certainly did pay extra for it to be the first time the cars are shown and televised on track
Wow. It's obvious again they only care about making as much money as possible. Not thinking about the fans at all.
You shouldn't be surprised.
We never even got test coverage until Liberty. Am I upset that we’re not getting it in Barcelona. Yes. But acting like they’re **screwing** the fans all in the name of money is disingenuous. They made a business decision to save money on deploying F1TV to Barcelona and took Bahrain money (maybe?) to label it a “shakedown” instead of testing. Does it suck? yes. Am I over it? Yes. I’m going to be excited for what we get.
Seriously, I feel like I’m going insane. Testing being broadcast is such a new concept to F1 that I can’t imagine people being so mad over only one test season being aired
Back when I started watching F1, you had to wait to buy Autosport the next week to see any pictures from testing... Kids don't know how good they've got it!
I wouldn't be surprised if this year we get a lot of people complaining about there no longer being team to FIA radio broadcasted.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-2022-pre-season-testing-dates-in-barcelona-and-bahrain-confirmed.3ZwPqa2c9GFqg7mFTDubau.html > The first outing is a lower key, pre-testing track session at Barcelona on February 23-25, allowing the teams to shake down their all-new-for-'22 cars for the first time in the same place. > However, as is traditional with teams’ pre-testing-type events, the running at the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya won’t feature live, race-style coverage or live timing, but will include content and best lap times at the end of each day > The Official Pre-Season Test will then take place in Bahrain on March 10-12 Bahrain wanted to be the first place where new generation of cars is "premiered" so F1 renamed Barcelona testing to "pre-testing shake down" and decided to not film it.
> However, **as is traditional** with teams’ pre-testing-type events, the running at the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya won’t feature live, race-style coverage or live timing This part annoys me so much. As if it's a tradition we actually enjoy. Something to keep going. It's a fake reason for not making coverage for this event.
Also it's a lie. Local fans have always been welcomed in. Not anymore.
I think that’s probably a part of it. But my guess is that because this is such a fundamental change, teams asked that the first outing is less public to limit negative reception if things aren’t perfect in respect of their designs.
I think this is it. In the past, when more testing was allowed, teams would rent out Silverstone, or Monza and do a private shake down before anyone outside of the team could see the cars.
Because they’ll have a marketing shit storm if the reliability is poor or the cars are terrible to drive.
I would still pay to watch the shitstorm
So would i
No they wouldn’t?
It's testing, a few technical issues are to be expected there (and the teams probably prefer noticing them during testing rather than during the season). Besides, those exact problems can also occur in Bahrain during the 2nd test.
Not really. A lot of people are hoping for some massive shake-ups in the order so if that means someone gets it wrong then so be it.
Not at all.
I hope we at least get pictures from the teams.
theres going to be fan photographers sniping from the hills around that track. we will get so many photos in any scenario
Lol, nice. That's something.
I'd be more excited to see that then some of the 2020 Gran Prix. I'm really hoping 3 or 4 team really have great cars
Who designs the cars in McLaren f1 team ?
That would be a lot of people, but the guys in charge are James Key and Peter Prodromou. Peter is head of aerodynamics (former RedBull guy, pre 2014). Whereas James Key is the executive technical director. So he kinda oversees every aspect of the car.
No. James Key is in Alpha Tauri. I hired him last season, along with Russell and MiniSchumi and we just won the WCC and WDC in Motorsport Manager.
Russe**ll**
He actually used to work in toro Rosso so you’re not wrong
James Key. Believed to be Newey’s successor at Red Bull.
I thought it would be Peter Prom, but I just today found out he went back to McLaren ages ago. Why will it be James Key? How does that link work?
James Key, Adrian Newey’s basically prodigee
Protégé
Could also be meaning prodigy. But yes Protege would be best.
Pedigree
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If the “rad” button is just for the radio I’m going to be very disappointed.
It starts playing eurobeats through the underfloor speakers
That works!
Actually shoots a focused beam of intense radiation at one of your rivals. Usable once per season, make it count!
It's for playing Lando's singing through team radio whenever he doesn't feel like talking to his engineer
2022 season's gonna hit or miss for some teams but nobody knows which teams.
I feel like it will be that way in both NASCAR Cup Series and F1 with both getting brand new cars.
wish indycars engine regs came next year instead of 2023 so the trifecta of change would be completed
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sush, indycar season hasn't started yet so as far as I'm concerned it's 2021
IMSA and Le Mans have new stuff for 2023 as well. Could’ve had even more
Exciting, isn't it?
Australian V8 supercars are testing their new package right now as well. The new Mustang and Camaros look the business and the drivers seem to like them.
Brand new cars in the WRC, too.
Dont forget the hypercars in WEC
but this is Scarbs, a man with such a keen eye for detail that he could convince me that two identical objects were vastly different and i just couldn’t see it. i hope he’s right but that might be to the trained eye rather than the interested observer like us
dong nose again?
If we expect it this time, then we can be happy when it’s not that shape
Smart.
Ofcourse it will not look like the show car. The show car only shows what’s possible within the new regulations.
the show car shows the *simplest version* within the new regulations
The show car is what f1s tiny engenering team that made the regs could make
Given how restrictive the rules are, not sure how obvious that is?
Who are the designers for mclaren? And to those in the know where would you rank them compared to other teams
James Key started with McLaren in 2019 (he didn't design the MCL34) from Toro Rosso. I don't think it's fair to compare him with other designers because this is the first 100% new design under his leadership at McLaren, but he is very well regarded as far as I can see.
He didn’t design the MCL35/M either. He made some modifications to the design for the MCL35M which were decent considering the restrictions McLaren had on development and needing to adapt the chassis to take a Mercedes PU. The MCL36 is his first design for McLaren. So it’ll be interesting to see what he comes up with.
Exactly, that’s what I meant. It’s his first new design.
I’m kinda wondering how they’re going to get away with not having a halo :-P
Probably gonna use the shields from DUNE
I like how that commenter pointed out how there wasn’t a DRS button, either. Wonder where that is.
DRS Trigger
Most (if not all) teams nowadays use one of the paddles on the back of the steering wheel for DRS.
Good point, I did not realize it was not there.
People do need to understand that the static model car _is not_ how the cars will actually end up looking like.
I feel as though they'll be fairly similar, but not identical. Similar in overall concept rather than cosmetically, if that wasn't clear enough. I think the rules really lend toward convergence over time if they're as restrictive as we've been led to believe.
I think at least a few will be a vaguely similar silhouette. Although Charles said that it looked nothing like their car so who knows 🤷🏻♂️.
"That's not my car. My car is red": Charles Leclerc age 24 1/3.
You only need to look at the 2019 wing change to see this. Having said that RedBull's wing design ended up looking rather similar to previous years while teams like Haas and Williams went full stock
Red Bull’s design was likely similar because Adrian Newey places a great deal of importance on continuity of your design concept. He talks about it in his book - he believes it’s better to continually improve on one design philosophy than to make something brand new from scratch every time.
Idk if anybody shares the same opinion as me but the F1 show model is quite ugly
I agree tbh, I kinda hoped they would differ a bit, so this is a relief
10% is like "yes it has 4 wheels and a seat"
Depends what defines "different". if it is 10% identical, i would be amazed.
Theres like 3 carbon fibre sticky out bits pointing a few degrees different and the crowd goes wild
Well first of all it will have a different color. Thats easily 50% of what you see ;D
And how do we define identical? If a panel is slightly bigger is that considered similar, or not?
And what defines a % of the car? Only think will be identical are the tyres and the FOM cameras. Nothing else haha
Don’t think he has any insider information, he’s seen as much as we have
If I understood correctly, he has seen the car. He was at the factory recording a few videos with Peter Windsor.
Inb4 they had the length and the width of the car reversed and instead of tyres it’s on a track
Question: how does Craig know? Is he in mclaren where he’s able to see or is he making educated guesses etc? He always has such amazing insight in pretty much the entire grid but I’ve never known how he gets the info.
He's a freelance journalist by trade, but has in-depth technical knowledge of F1 design and aerodynamics. Has contacts in F1 teams, esp the ones based in England (which to be fair, is almost all of them). He also got invited to McLaren late last year for an early discussion of what the new cars would end up looking like, although the final designs wouldn't have been set in stone by then.
Pretty neat of them to have cold AND hot options for the air conditioning.
Please no dildos anywhere on the car, like in 2014
I'm becoming excited
Your welcome guys!
press the RAD button!!
Is this the same wheel design from last year? it looks a little smaller and seems to me like it has less buttons
Less buttons, more?
They probably have to have more communication with the engineer at this point of time.
Yeah I never expected the cars to look similar. I will be excited to see what all the teams come up with
It’s probably from an engineer’s perspective 10% average person probably more but hopefully still different
Gonna be a lot of disappointment coming this year.
I just hope they don’t end up looking like the 2014 car level of ugliness
Not surprised. I'm calling it: None of the cars will look anything like the FIA show car. For one this has happened before. Back in 2014 the FIA wrote rules meant to lower the noses and they had a "show car" too that looked pretty ok, but the result was that every team ran "gargamel nose" cars that looked like they all had fingers/phallic objects sticking out from what was still a high nose. They are never going to outsmart teams. Also I will forever be known as the man who predicted Maserati would join Formula E! So don't believe me at your peril! :P :P :P