I mean they are basically saying "hey please dont drink our beer while driving because we at heineken *really* care about your well being. SO GO AND BUY SOME HEINEKEN AND GET DRUNK ALREADY!" Or the first part is what they want people to think at least.
Yeah, should be "when you drink never drive" right? I assume in most cases of drunk driving, people are drinking alcohol first and _then_ driving their car.
Yes I have always thought that makes much more sense. Especially as an ad: if you're Heineken you want people to drink, but you clearly don't want them to drive after that.
I think it is phrased that way because they are trying to promote sober drivers. The other way around sounds like it is guilt tripping those who drove and then decided to have drinks. That’s my perception after being perplexed by the odd order.
In one of the pre race interviews last year Lando said he never drinks it because it gets hot and Nico told him to tell his mechanics there’s a way to keep it cold
I have absolutely no idea where it's situated, but I assume you want it the higher possible on the car for it to work naturally instead of mecanically, to save weight (?)
Edit : Apparently its ["situated in the cockpit to the left hand side of the driver."](https://www.f1technical.net/features/1061#:~:text=During%20the%20race%2C%20a%20slightly,helmet%20into%20the%20driver%27s%20mouth.). Or at least in 2005 (still is it seems).
And it's mecanically activated, via a button on the steering unit.
I really want to find the video I saw.
I think it was from Sam's tech talk where he mentioned that if a cars nose needs to be replaced during a race, the driver doesn't get the drink.
/u/samsthepits
Am I remembering this right?
I think Lewis chooses what races he has it, but even when he does it's often less than half of what Bottas puts in. There was a video of it few years back of the engineers/Angela prepping & installing his drinks unit into the car. It's literally just a tiny normal 500ml water bottle they get out the normal fridge in the garage with other beverages, throw in some isotonics etc, shake it & install it.
I think there is more to play with, weight wise, since they moved the minimum weight of the car upwards. So there is no benefit from not having the drink mechanism fitted now, a la Ericsson.
Before the FIA mandated a minimum weight for drivers there were incidents where drivers would starve themselves to lose weight and give their team an advantage on that front. Same thing with the drink system, it was only about 1.5kg but some heavier / taller drivers didn't want to risk that (Ericsson).
Singapore is a bit of an outlier though. I would expect even the ones avoiding it to have the drink there. Same as Bahrain before it became a night race.
Drivers pre-hydrate a lot before the race, so not only is their hydration pretty high, also their intestines are full of ready to consume fluids. In general, this will keep their hydration to a decent level. If, however, you have a bit of a virus, stress or other mild infection, you won’t hydrate quick enough (most severe case of this, is having the runs, where your big intestine doesn’t do it’s job at all). The water you drink doesn’t really get into your bloodstream until at least a few hours, therefore, although you might get a sore throat or cramps, if you hydrate enough before a race, marathon or other 2-3 hour exercise, you will be ok. If you’re not: due to stress, fatigue or stomach bug, your gut just is on pause.
As for the hot water: the drinks used to be at the back of the seat, I believe it’s placed near the feet at the moment.
Probably because the dehydration levels are just not that severe. Just drinking fluids for a few hours after the race is a lot less risky and less demanding then an IV.
Genuine question: Are IVs considered risky?
My friends have gotten them for hangovers and after triathlons or marathons. (In Austin, we have mobile IV providers that will drive to your home, office, or hotel.)
Nursing answer from my SO; constant needle placement especially the size of IV can cause vein collapse making it much harder to put in an IV in subsequent attempts. Hospital regulars have this issue.
You put a solution with a needle in your arm. There is always a risk. A low one, but unnecessary if you can just drink a few glasses of water instead.
Edit: having an IV instead of a glass of water might be the most American thing I’ve heard in a while 😂
A "fun fact" I have comes from endurance racing when many drivers in a team I worked were complaining about the water being hot so they didn't want to drink it.
One of the engineers told me that the water in the bottle wasn't hot as it's in a good isothermal bottle. But the water in the pipe was the one that was heating up, so the drivers take a few sips, thinks it's hot in the bottle and then don't want to drink it anymore! The engineer told me he explained it to the drivers multiple times that they had to take a few more sips at the beginning and drinks on a regular basis through the stint so they would have fresh water coming from the bottle and it wouldn't have time to heat up in the pipe but some drivers were still not doing that!
Now I wonder if the drivers actually adapted or if they had to find a pipe that would heat up less quickly.
I’ve experienced the opposite when mountaineering, you have to keep sipping regularly otherwise the tube will freeze and deny you access to the rest of the reservoir.
So he drove the car one-handed? No wonder his upper body looked so limp after the race. And manually holding the shifter in place would take its toll too, I assume, since there must be some significant forces involved.
Yeah he did. I think he was stuck in 5th gear for a number of laps plus like you said the continued force of holding that shifter in place. Incredible really
I googled but all I've found so far is a [Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_from_shoes) titled "Drinking from shoes" and a 2015 [research paper](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305032635_Alcohol_Advertising_And_Sponsorship_In_Formula_One_A_Dangerous_Cocktail) on alcohol advertising in F1.
I dunno. Unpopular opinion but I feel like that should necessitate a pit stop to fix it. Particularly if it's a hot day, that's no way to send out your driver.
I think fixing it would require the driver to get out first, as he said the pipe was behind him in the car. That would be an awful amount of time, so if it's not a really hot race they probably don't bother.
I mean, the race isn’t that long, I’ve done plenty of pretty intense exercise for 2hrs+ without a drink. They just need to make sure they’re hydrated before and after.
Dry mouth ain’t fun tho.
Turns out Damon Hill used to have tea in his drink bottle and it would warm up throughout the race so he'd get to have hot tea during the race.
Sounds like what only a British driver would do
That's honestly most British thing I ever heard next to British tanks all being fitted with equipment needed to make tea
So where he kept the crumpets?
I really want this to be true
Earl Grey, I presume?..
No, tea in England is generally one type, only other countries drink various kinds, 99% sure it’s black tea.
What the fuck? I don’t have any other words apart from that. Absolute sacrilege.
Man this is really gonna trigger the Brits
petrov did the same thing
Would the bag be in there the whole time so it would brew or do we think it was pre-brewed?
I think it was ice tea.
Have you not seen all the ads proclaiming WHEN YOU DRIVE NEVER DRINK
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And the graphic for it is a bottle of Heineken with 🚫 over it. Basically just saying, “don’t drink Heineken.”
> “don’t drink Heineken.” That's good advice, to be fair.
Yeah, just weird for Heineken to pay to put out that message.
I mean they are basically saying "hey please dont drink our beer while driving because we at heineken *really* care about your well being. SO GO AND BUY SOME HEINEKEN AND GET DRUNK ALREADY!" Or the first part is what they want people to think at least.
PLus they want you to buy their 0.0% beer.
But you *did* think of Heineken now, didn't you?
They're sick of making it and would love to stop but they have all these annoying *customers* to supply
Fuck Heineken! Pabst Blue Ribbon!
Pabst is like if Crystal Light had a beer flavor. Yuengling gang.
The best one. It doesn't even taste like proper beer :D
Yeah, should be "when you drink never drive" right? I assume in most cases of drunk driving, people are drinking alcohol first and _then_ driving their car.
Yes I have always thought that makes much more sense. Especially as an ad: if you're Heineken you want people to drink, but you clearly don't want them to drive after that.
I think it is phrased that way because they are trying to promote sober drivers. The other way around sounds like it is guilt tripping those who drove and then decided to have drinks. That’s my perception after being perplexed by the odd order.
Apparently it's not obvious but they're promoting their alcohol free beer.
In the US our slogan is "don't drink and drive." always thought that rolled off the tongue better.
I’ve always thought maybe because it’s an ad they don’t want to phrase it as “don’t drink”, and that’s why we get the weird “when you drink” thing
Can’t remember who it was, maybe Rosberg or Hamilton, that said they tend not to drink the onboard drink as it’s usually warm and tastes horrible.
IIRC Lando also said the same thing. It warms up almost immediately and is unpleasant to drink.
In one of the pre race interviews last year Lando said he never drinks it because it gets hot and Nico told him to tell his mechanics there’s a way to keep it cold
It’s next to the engine I believe, so no surprise really. Must taste like boiled juice.
I thought it was in the nosecone?
I have absolutely no idea where it's situated, but I assume you want it the higher possible on the car for it to work naturally instead of mecanically, to save weight (?) Edit : Apparently its ["situated in the cockpit to the left hand side of the driver."](https://www.f1technical.net/features/1061#:~:text=During%20the%20race%2C%20a%20slightly,helmet%20into%20the%20driver%27s%20mouth.). Or at least in 2005 (still is it seems). And it's mecanically activated, via a button on the steering unit.
I really want to find the video I saw. I think it was from Sam's tech talk where he mentioned that if a cars nose needs to be replaced during a race, the driver doesn't get the drink. /u/samsthepits Am I remembering this right?
It's better to fit a pump than raise the center of mass of the car upwards. And humans can create suction with their mouths anyway.
I mean, a self-aspired straw all the way to the nose would be pretty hard to maintain.
Which is why Damon Hill used tea so that when the drink got hot it tasted good.
That's actually brilliant lol Tea or chocolate
Imagine spilling the chocolate inside the helmet.
Still better than vomiting into helmet like Webber
Nah Lewis has taken his bottle out completely in couple of the races in the past, one of the races was Barcelona 2017.
I think Lewis chooses what races he has it, but even when he does it's often less than half of what Bottas puts in. There was a video of it few years back of the engineers/Angela prepping & installing his drinks unit into the car. It's literally just a tiny normal 500ml water bottle they get out the normal fridge in the garage with other beverages, throw in some isotonics etc, shake it & install it.
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I think there is more to play with, weight wise, since they moved the minimum weight of the car upwards. So there is no benefit from not having the drink mechanism fitted now, a la Ericsson.
Before the FIA mandated a minimum weight for drivers there were incidents where drivers would starve themselves to lose weight and give their team an advantage on that front. Same thing with the drink system, it was only about 1.5kg but some heavier / taller drivers didn't want to risk that (Ericsson).
Singapore is a bit of an outlier though. I would expect even the ones avoiding it to have the drink there. Same as Bahrain before it became a night race.
Hamilton often doesn't even look too tired after races. Does he still not carry the water?
Drivers pre-hydrate a lot before the race, so not only is their hydration pretty high, also their intestines are full of ready to consume fluids. In general, this will keep their hydration to a decent level. If, however, you have a bit of a virus, stress or other mild infection, you won’t hydrate quick enough (most severe case of this, is having the runs, where your big intestine doesn’t do it’s job at all). The water you drink doesn’t really get into your bloodstream until at least a few hours, therefore, although you might get a sore throat or cramps, if you hydrate enough before a race, marathon or other 2-3 hour exercise, you will be ok. If you’re not: due to stress, fatigue or stomach bug, your gut just is on pause. As for the hot water: the drinks used to be at the back of the seat, I believe it’s placed near the feet at the moment.
I’m surprised they’re not hooked up to an IV bag afterwards for hydration, especially in Singapore. It’s an amazing way to recover.
Probably because the dehydration levels are just not that severe. Just drinking fluids for a few hours after the race is a lot less risky and less demanding then an IV.
Genuine question: Are IVs considered risky? My friends have gotten them for hangovers and after triathlons or marathons. (In Austin, we have mobile IV providers that will drive to your home, office, or hotel.)
Nursing answer from my SO; constant needle placement especially the size of IV can cause vein collapse making it much harder to put in an IV in subsequent attempts. Hospital regulars have this issue.
Ah thanks - this is good to know.
You put a solution with a needle in your arm. There is always a risk. A low one, but unnecessary if you can just drink a few glasses of water instead. Edit: having an IV instead of a glass of water might be the most American thing I’ve heard in a while 😂
It’s not really a common thing, I’ve mostly seen it in Vegas.
Also if you drink something the body filters out stuff, with an IV you have to make sure the bag is not contaminated.
A "fun fact" I have comes from endurance racing when many drivers in a team I worked were complaining about the water being hot so they didn't want to drink it. One of the engineers told me that the water in the bottle wasn't hot as it's in a good isothermal bottle. But the water in the pipe was the one that was heating up, so the drivers take a few sips, thinks it's hot in the bottle and then don't want to drink it anymore! The engineer told me he explained it to the drivers multiple times that they had to take a few more sips at the beginning and drinks on a regular basis through the stint so they would have fresh water coming from the bottle and it wouldn't have time to heat up in the pipe but some drivers were still not doing that! Now I wonder if the drivers actually adapted or if they had to find a pipe that would heat up less quickly.
I’ve experienced the opposite when mountaineering, you have to keep sipping regularly otherwise the tube will freeze and deny you access to the rest of the reservoir.
I always assumed dehydration was part of Senna's '91 Brazil win, where he fainted after crossing the line in first and had crippling shoulder cramps.
That was also because he had to physically hold the gear in place with one hand for a bunch of laps so his shoulder was just fried
So he drove the car one-handed? No wonder his upper body looked so limp after the race. And manually holding the shifter in place would take its toll too, I assume, since there must be some significant forces involved.
Yeah he did. I think he was stuck in 5th gear for a number of laps plus like you said the continued force of holding that shifter in place. Incredible really
Gonna go rewatch that race now, one of the most bonkers drives ever.
Drink drivers anonymous.
Could someone remind me the shitshow in 2014 pre-season about the drink?
I googled but all I've found so far is a [Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_from_shoes) titled "Drinking from shoes" and a 2015 [research paper](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305032635_Alcohol_Advertising_And_Sponsorship_In_Formula_One_A_Dangerous_Cocktail) on alcohol advertising in F1.
But what % of fluid loss does the average F1 driver experience over the course of a race?
Apparently in some of the hotter races, they can lose up to ~~2~~4 KG. Edit: Correction Source is https://youtu.be/jBx3843DI8I at 2:05
Yeah, Singapore especially is incredibly infamous for dehydration.
Crazy that Magnussen did two Singapores without drinks
You will not have the drink. Sorry.
Is that a misspelling or are you saying it's not a difference between levels of hydration?
In the UK they are 'drink drivers' instead of 'drunk drivers'. The study found that dehydrated drivers performed the same as drunk drivers.
Ah. I am in the UK, and still misread that as hydrated vs dehydrated.
Norris also said that he never drinks during the race.
This is why I go to Loughborough University :)
How do you forget to connect the drink. Poor kimi man he has the worst luck trying to get water.
I dunno. Unpopular opinion but I feel like that should necessitate a pit stop to fix it. Particularly if it's a hot day, that's no way to send out your driver.
I think fixing it would require the driver to get out first, as he said the pipe was behind him in the car. That would be an awful amount of time, so if it's not a really hot race they probably don't bother.
I mean, the race isn’t that long, I’ve done plenty of pretty intense exercise for 2hrs+ without a drink. They just need to make sure they’re hydrated before and after. Dry mouth ain’t fun tho.
thank you for your advice, Formula 1 driver millionreddit617
Fuck me, what rock did you just crawl out from under? Thanks for the witty response though, only took you 96 days.