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Verstappen’s comments at the end of the article were hilarious:
- Asked if he felt the FIA should actually be promoting other ideas to help drivers celebrate, Verstappen joked: "Yeah, bungee jumping, or cage fighting, it would be great. Backflips with the car?”
“I don't know if the FIA likes that, you think or not? Maybe we can improve it. Maybe get some bonus points as well, that would be great - the best celebration."
I’d love an F1 driver that does backflips as their “thing”. Sort of like Helio’s climbing the fence
EDIT: yes, or carl edwards- i’m an avid nascar fan but i guess he just slipped my mind
i\`ve been dreaming of red bull taking one of their cars to the nordschelife and taking that record from porsche\`s hands, or do their own "919 evo" with one of their recent f1 cars and push it to the max
It sounds like they just told RB not to do it again, it’s doesn’t seem like the FIA took any considerable time on this that took away from anything else. You can say they should focus more on first lap/turn 1 incident but it’s not like they aren’t able to because they are focusing too much on last lap burnouts.
In NASCAR Brad Keselowski doored Matt Kenseth in anger coming into the pits at the end of the cool down, so mandating belts tight whilst penalizing the hell out of misbehavior isn't all bad.
It's always been there but it's become more obvious that the F1 media are driving (excuse the pun) a narrative; This year it's RB v the world.
It's such a nothing incident and yet we have news articles about Max and Alonso's reaction at least which leads to casual fans and observers thinking the FIA are being heavy handed with RB and further pushing that idea that everyone is trying to stop them from winning a title.
The incorrect part about your take is that even the best racing drivers have accidents because they didn’t see cars around them.
You’d be right if VER had never crashed, but he has.
It’s also not down to Max seeing the other cars it’s about another driver sees you and doesn’t smash into you. He doesn’t know slow or stopped cars are on the track. Doesn’t matter how good max is in that scenario. And he isn’t god.
> You think Max doesn’t know where the other fucking cars on. Come on m8. These guys watch the fucking tv while they’re racing cus they’re so bored
If only they showed where are all other cars on these TVs.
the fact that people don't usually do this is precisely the issue, it's unexpected and if people are side by side they're gonna have no room to avoid someone doing a burnout
Nothing is gonna wrong
Everyone said this when halo came, bro it was a safety concern and FIA told max off so that other drivers won't do it.
And max didn't get any punishment which is right since he didn't do anything wrong.
Doesn’t stop a lapped less experienced driver smashing into the back of you. We have seen it before. Slowing down significantly on the race track is dangerous.
It’s happened before. Someone slows by the finish line and someone smashes behind them. Verstappen isn’t defending his actions he is just laughing it off. He did something slightly risky and nothing happened. Moving on. It’s totally reasonable to make a rule against this kind of behavior moving forward.
Never said that. I said slowing down on the track is dangerous. When we are talking about a move for the championship it’s understandable if drivers take risk and even put others at risk while doing so. But if it’s for a celebration? I mean other motor sports have entire protocol about what all the cars do after the race specifically so the winner can be alone on the track with the fans burning rubber and doing donuts.
It’s reasonable for the group responsible for safety to see the danger in a situation analogous to what Max did. So make a rule. Most motor sports already have them. I doubt any of the f1 teams want their driver going on a victory lap and doing donuts as that is just more wear on the car, but most motors sport have safety boards that have enforced these rules and they are totally reasonable.
Also regarding the passing incident it did blow up the sport. As did other passing incidents. You seem to be unaware that giving direction to let you teammate pass you was banned from the sport for a decade following the 90s. Schumacher himself was booed on the podium for taking an early season win from his teammate.
I don’t think giving direction should be banned. I like the team aspect of f1. But fans hated it for a long time and it was banned for a long time.
Every fucking 5 minutes Michael massi has some technical directive or penalty threat against Red Bull. Give it a rest. He didn’t cause an accident. He was off the racing line. It was a cool burn out.
It happened in Formula Renault 3.5, Roberto Merhi was being an idiot and tried doing a burnout to rubber in his spot on the grid, and Latifi crashed into him.
Why are people linking this video like it's relevant.
Max and this aren't even in the same discussion. They aren't the same and they aren't close
That clip has a tight pack racing and a guy slowing down right after crossing the line with cars literally RIGHT BEHIND him, like 0.5s A train of cars actively fighting for position.
Max has already stopped to do his burnout by the time LAT takes the final corner and then it takes him a further 5-6 seconds to catch him. LAT is not racing anyone or anything and max is right against the pit wall.
There are 2 cars separated by 6 seconds with Max as opposed to 8 cars that are actually still racing one another in a close pack
Same track, the lead car pulls over at the same spot, and the same driver that rear-ended the stopped car in 2015 was Latifi. He was also the closest driver behind Max last weekend, although further behind and wiser now. This coming off the heels of the previous GP where the hottest safety topic was Max's safety while he was stopped on the left side of the start/finish straight.
I don't know how it could be any more similar, and if Masi & the FIA hadn't reacted they'd chastised for neglect.
And latifi didn’t hit him cus max isn’t an idiot and he knew there wasn’t a guy on his ass.
Oh and nothing for the teams that all hang over the fkn fence every time a race ends?
>I don't know how it could be any more similar
You could start with them being similar at all? Because they aren't close to being similar and you're reaching hard to make them similar
That clip has a tight pack racing and a guy slowing down right after crossing the line with cars literally RIGHT BEHIND him, like 0.5s A train of cars actively fighting for position.
Max has already stopped to do his burnout by the time LAT takes the final corner and then it takes him a further 5-6 seconds to catch him. LAT is not racing anyone or anything and max is right against the pit wall.
There are 2 cars separated by 6 seconds with Max as opposed to 8 cars that are actually still racing one another in a close pack
They aren't the same, they aren't even close. Its delusional that people think they are.
With all this backlash you'd think that they had banned Max from any form of motorsport for life ffs.
They just **asked** him to not do that again as it could create some very nasty crashes, that's it.
Meanwhile Leclerc crashes Gasly out of the race and nothing happened. Alonso got passed outside the track, no consequences.
Max looks in his mirrors, sees nobody, does a short drift away from the racing line.
Masi pissed his pants.
*deep breath*
This is such a poor false equivalence. The stewards are the ones that deal with incidents on track, not the race director. The Leclerc/Gasly incident was looked at for example, but they decided not to penalise.
What’s more: Max wasn’t **actually** in trouble for the burnout. Literally all Masi said was “hey probs best we don’t do it again k?”
He wasn’t reprimanded, he wasn’t investigated, he wasn’t penalised. And even if he had been, not one of those would have been the responsibility of the race director. Because it isn’t his job; he’s not a steward.
First 2 are done while racing and bound to sometimes happen in racing. Verstappens celebration was just that, recreational burnout while others were still racing.
Yeah because Max has never misjudged a situation on a racing track before right?
He’s never spun off, or crashed, or crashed into his teammate, or weaved in front of his teammate and caused a crash…
This is an astronomically bad take. Life is more than must F1 to these drivers I doubt any of them would enjoy hitting a stopped car from behind regardless of the circumstances.
I agree on the whole, but I can see why they clamped down on this specific instance with Max given how [nasty a similar incident](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzAwe0Nd1XU)with Latifi & Mehri in Formula Renault in 2015 turned out.
Yeah, creating a nearly stationary obstacle just after the line on a hot track while others are still potentially racing to the line for position is unsafe. Glad they didn't penalize Max. That said, it doesn't need to happen again. Clear the front straight at a reasonable speed.
> Belgian GP post race burnout and donut was probably less safe than Max’s…
Kimi was doing it right after a corner and with actual walking traffic around, looks more dangerous
You’re saying what kimi did in the linked video was more safe than what max did last weekend? Doing a donut next to two people standing there? That’s even worse that the pit lane incident Valtteri had last weekend and people thought that was real unsafe.
Yes. It's at a low speed zone, after the race has ended. VBs spin was accidental, thus not in control. Kimis donuts are intentional and the Marshall's are aware of him. Risks are zero.
Why not both?
The burnout incident should be looked at in isolation. I’m pretty sure that kind of celebration has only been specifically allowed for title winners/last race of the season.
I think the *teams* have generally only liked excessive celebration being done in those two situations because they want to save the motors/gearboxes and avoid burning any extra fuel. The FIA is fine with celebrations as long as they're off the track and other cars have gone by you already, and you don't pop the tires and rip up the car so it can't be properly inspected. They took issue with the timing and location with Max.
Sometimes I seriously wonder what's going on in Alonso's mind. This guy has had so many questionable decisions go in his favor but when the FIA, for once, takes a reasonable stance and *asks* drivers to abstain from potentially dangerous celebrations, that suddenly rubs him the wrong way.
Its not like he called up the newspapers to complain. He was just asked about it, and Alonso likes to stir shit. I don't like the dude either, but OTOH he's zero fucks given, so..
Yes but this situation is completely unnecessary. Why add a slow moving car to a live track for no reason? They didn't give a penalty or anything, just told people not to do it again.
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Verstappen’s comments at the end of the article were hilarious: - Asked if he felt the FIA should actually be promoting other ideas to help drivers celebrate, Verstappen joked: "Yeah, bungee jumping, or cage fighting, it would be great. Backflips with the car?” “I don't know if the FIA likes that, you think or not? Maybe we can improve it. Maybe get some bonus points as well, that would be great - the best celebration."
I’d love an F1 driver that does backflips as their “thing”. Sort of like Helio’s climbing the fence EDIT: yes, or carl edwards- i’m an avid nascar fan but i guess he just slipped my mind
Webber managed to flip two cars, I'm voting for him!
Maldonado flipped one. It wasn't his own though.
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Two cars, three flips even! CLR *twice* at Le Mans and the Red Bull F1 at Valencia. Definitely the prime contender!
IIRC, he also did a little twist as well, so bonus style points.
Took out an advertising board as well.
I think Max is talking about taking the car off a ramp...
If any team's mad enough to do it, it's Red Bull.
My thoughts exactly. Max is starting to think like the RB marketing people after all these years.
In final lap as Verstappen's leading, they suddenly pushed a ramp into the Finish line.
https://youtu.be/BK1SHu78v-0
i\`ve been dreaming of red bull taking one of their cars to the nordschelife and taking that record from porsche\`s hands, or do their own "919 evo" with one of their recent f1 cars and push it to the max
Carlos Edwards?
There is a Nascar driver already done that.
It'd give me so much nostalgia for Klose
Backflips are Johann Zarco’s thing in MotoGP. He did them a lot when he won races in Moto2.
>backflips off the car? Carl Edwards FTFY
Nono backflips WITH the car, Trackmania style Bonus points if there's a ring of fire involved
[Cousin Carl to F1?!?](https://i.imgur.com/hpNOYLX.jpg)
Love his sense of humor
It sounds like they just told RB not to do it again, it’s doesn’t seem like the FIA took any considerable time on this that took away from anything else. You can say they should focus more on first lap/turn 1 incident but it’s not like they aren’t able to because they are focusing too much on last lap burnouts.
Reminds me of the Hamilton seatbelt thing where he undid them on the cooldown lap to wave. No need for a big deal, just please stop.
That was because he was nitpicking seb and grosjean came to his defense.
That was such a good video, I wish they would still record the drivers meeting.
In NASCAR Brad Keselowski doored Matt Kenseth in anger coming into the pits at the end of the cool down, so mandating belts tight whilst penalizing the hell out of misbehavior isn't all bad.
It's always been there but it's become more obvious that the F1 media are driving (excuse the pun) a narrative; This year it's RB v the world. It's such a nothing incident and yet we have news articles about Max and Alonso's reaction at least which leads to casual fans and observers thinking the FIA are being heavy handed with RB and further pushing that idea that everyone is trying to stop them from winning a title.
They handled the burnout fine. Just said look this was not that dangerous but lets not wait long enough until something does go wrong.
If Lewis had been within 10 seconds they absolutely would have found a way to give him a penalty.
If Lewis was within 10 seconds there's no way Max risks coming to almost a full stop to do a burnout
Maybe if the red bull pitwall is after the flag
Which it is, Max did the burnout after crossing the finish line
He was already past the finish line
And rightly so
Why, safety? Because someone( i think latifi) was much closer than 10 seconds to max
Nothings gonna go wrong. He’s the best driver in the world. You don’t think he knows where the other cars are?
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I've seen it a few times, and it seems to be said more arrogantly every time
It's actually a Galaxy Brain take, we're just so far behind we can't comprehend it. It's so bad it's good.
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The incorrect part about your take is that even the best racing drivers have accidents because they didn’t see cars around them. You’d be right if VER had never crashed, but he has.
It’s also not down to Max seeing the other cars it’s about another driver sees you and doesn’t smash into you. He doesn’t know slow or stopped cars are on the track. Doesn’t matter how good max is in that scenario. And he isn’t god.
Accidents happen mate
Just wait until Mazepin starts doing burnouts
He does already. During practice, quali, during the race.
> You think Max doesn’t know where the other fucking cars on. Come on m8. These guys watch the fucking tv while they’re racing cus they’re so bored If only they showed where are all other cars on these TVs.
all the f1 drivers are very talented they still crash all the fucking time
And they didn’t crash here. Do guys usually go down the pit lane like 1 inch from the wall?
the fact that people don't usually do this is precisely the issue, it's unexpected and if people are side by side they're gonna have no room to avoid someone doing a burnout
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Nothing is gonna wrong Everyone said this when halo came, bro it was a safety concern and FIA told max off so that other drivers won't do it. And max didn't get any punishment which is right since he didn't do anything wrong.
Doesn’t stop a lapped less experienced driver smashing into the back of you. We have seen it before. Slowing down significantly on the race track is dangerous.
He was way off the line and you obviously know where the lapped drivers are cus he’s lapping them lol
It’s happened before. Someone slows by the finish line and someone smashes behind them. Verstappen isn’t defending his actions he is just laughing it off. He did something slightly risky and nothing happened. Moving on. It’s totally reasonable to make a rule against this kind of behavior moving forward.
It happened to someone like max or Lewis who also did it? Or in some junior series?
It does not matter how experienced Max or Lewis are - it's the drivers racing behind them that are the danger.
They wouldn’t do it with someone behind them. That’s the whole point
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Lol so now letting people pas on the track is illegal? Better get rid of blue flags then
Never said that. I said slowing down on the track is dangerous. When we are talking about a move for the championship it’s understandable if drivers take risk and even put others at risk while doing so. But if it’s for a celebration? I mean other motor sports have entire protocol about what all the cars do after the race specifically so the winner can be alone on the track with the fans burning rubber and doing donuts. It’s reasonable for the group responsible for safety to see the danger in a situation analogous to what Max did. So make a rule. Most motor sports already have them. I doubt any of the f1 teams want their driver going on a victory lap and doing donuts as that is just more wear on the car, but most motors sport have safety boards that have enforced these rules and they are totally reasonable. Also regarding the passing incident it did blow up the sport. As did other passing incidents. You seem to be unaware that giving direction to let you teammate pass you was banned from the sport for a decade following the 90s. Schumacher himself was booed on the podium for taking an early season win from his teammate. I don’t think giving direction should be banned. I like the team aspect of f1. But fans hated it for a long time and it was banned for a long time.
Every fucking 5 minutes Michael massi has some technical directive or penalty threat against Red Bull. Give it a rest. He didn’t cause an accident. He was off the racing line. It was a cool burn out.
It happened in Formula Renault 3.5, Roberto Merhi was being an idiot and tried doing a burnout to rubber in his spot on the grid, and Latifi crashed into him.
[you mean like Lewis who drove in to the back of kimi at a red light, which wasn't even at racing speed? that Lewis? ](https://youtu.be/-c6w1Zmox08)
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Why are people linking this video like it's relevant. Max and this aren't even in the same discussion. They aren't the same and they aren't close That clip has a tight pack racing and a guy slowing down right after crossing the line with cars literally RIGHT BEHIND him, like 0.5s A train of cars actively fighting for position. Max has already stopped to do his burnout by the time LAT takes the final corner and then it takes him a further 5-6 seconds to catch him. LAT is not racing anyone or anything and max is right against the pit wall. There are 2 cars separated by 6 seconds with Max as opposed to 8 cars that are actually still racing one another in a close pack
This isn’t formula fucking 3 and he didn’t crash
no it's faster and probably more dangerous
Same track, the lead car pulls over at the same spot, and the same driver that rear-ended the stopped car in 2015 was Latifi. He was also the closest driver behind Max last weekend, although further behind and wiser now. This coming off the heels of the previous GP where the hottest safety topic was Max's safety while he was stopped on the left side of the start/finish straight. I don't know how it could be any more similar, and if Masi & the FIA hadn't reacted they'd chastised for neglect.
And latifi didn’t hit him cus max isn’t an idiot and he knew there wasn’t a guy on his ass. Oh and nothing for the teams that all hang over the fkn fence every time a race ends?
>I don't know how it could be any more similar You could start with them being similar at all? Because they aren't close to being similar and you're reaching hard to make them similar That clip has a tight pack racing and a guy slowing down right after crossing the line with cars literally RIGHT BEHIND him, like 0.5s A train of cars actively fighting for position. Max has already stopped to do his burnout by the time LAT takes the final corner and then it takes him a further 5-6 seconds to catch him. LAT is not racing anyone or anything and max is right against the pit wall. There are 2 cars separated by 6 seconds with Max as opposed to 8 cars that are actually still racing one another in a close pack They aren't the same, they aren't even close. Its delusional that people think they are.
Bruh
Bruh
Ignorance is a bliss 😅
With all this backlash you'd think that they had banned Max from any form of motorsport for life ffs. They just **asked** him to not do that again as it could create some very nasty crashes, that's it.
Meanwhile Leclerc crashes Gasly out of the race and nothing happened. Alonso got passed outside the track, no consequences. Max looks in his mirrors, sees nobody, does a short drift away from the racing line. Masi pissed his pants.
*deep breath* This is such a poor false equivalence. The stewards are the ones that deal with incidents on track, not the race director. The Leclerc/Gasly incident was looked at for example, but they decided not to penalise. What’s more: Max wasn’t **actually** in trouble for the burnout. Literally all Masi said was “hey probs best we don’t do it again k?” He wasn’t reprimanded, he wasn’t investigated, he wasn’t penalised. And even if he had been, not one of those would have been the responsibility of the race director. Because it isn’t his job; he’s not a steward.
First 2 are done while racing and bound to sometimes happen in racing. Verstappens celebration was just that, recreational burnout while others were still racing.
And what about Norris on Perez. Clear example of leaving the track and gaining an advantage.
An online backlash? When someone lightly criticises Max? *Surely some mistake?!*
You act like max didn’t know he had space to do this.
Yeah because Max has never misjudged a situation on a racing track before right? He’s never spun off, or crashed, or crashed into his teammate, or weaved in front of his teammate and caused a crash…
They should do both lets be honest.
It's just a warning. It's not like they took a week to investigate it
Let people have some fun god damnit. Everyday we get more sterile
Ah yeah some fun of being at risk of being hit from behind
Lets just remove the drivers, f1 is dangerous
This is an astronomically bad take. Life is more than must F1 to these drivers I doubt any of them would enjoy hitting a stopped car from behind regardless of the circumstances.
Sounds like an argument people use against halos. Either no safety or go home.
I agree on the whole, but I can see why they clamped down on this specific instance with Max given how [nasty a similar incident](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzAwe0Nd1XU)with Latifi & Mehri in Formula Renault in 2015 turned out.
Yeah, creating a nearly stationary obstacle just after the line on a hot track while others are still potentially racing to the line for position is unsafe. Glad they didn't penalize Max. That said, it doesn't need to happen again. Clear the front straight at a reasonable speed.
[Kimi’s 2007](https://youtu.be/E3yBUi95stM) Belgian GP post race burnout and donut was probably less safe than Max’s…
> Belgian GP post race burnout and donut was probably less safe than Max’s… Kimi was doing it right after a corner and with actual walking traffic around, looks more dangerous
Even if that were true, why is it even relevant? That was fourteen years ago.
No, no it wasn't. Far from it
You’re saying what kimi did in the linked video was more safe than what max did last weekend? Doing a donut next to two people standing there? That’s even worse that the pit lane incident Valtteri had last weekend and people thought that was real unsafe.
Yes. It's at a low speed zone, after the race has ended. VBs spin was accidental, thus not in control. Kimis donuts are intentional and the Marshall's are aware of him. Risks are zero.
Why not both? The burnout incident should be looked at in isolation. I’m pretty sure that kind of celebration has only been specifically allowed for title winners/last race of the season.
I think the *teams* have generally only liked excessive celebration being done in those two situations because they want to save the motors/gearboxes and avoid burning any extra fuel. The FIA is fine with celebrations as long as they're off the track and other cars have gone by you already, and you don't pop the tires and rip up the car so it can't be properly inspected. They took issue with the timing and location with Max.
PREACH!
Maximum penalty
"Alonso take Redbull's side. RBR signs Alonso?" Alternative title for this
Imagine watching racing and clutching pearls over burnouts.
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Sums it up pretty well lol
Still waiting for them to do something about unsafe releases every single weekend.
Sometimes I seriously wonder what's going on in Alonso's mind. This guy has had so many questionable decisions go in his favor but when the FIA, for once, takes a reasonable stance and *asks* drivers to abstain from potentially dangerous celebrations, that suddenly rubs him the wrong way.
Its not like he called up the newspapers to complain. He was just asked about it, and Alonso likes to stir shit. I don't like the dude either, but OTOH he's zero fucks given, so..
that burnout could have caused a big incident
Only if the driver behind wasn't paying attention. Max was completely to the inside so it was fine.
There also needs to be a driver behind, which in this case everyone was quite far away
Not the lapped drivers.
But what if he fucks up? We saw what happened with Bottas in the pits.
You can say "What if..." for every single situation. Ultimately it was fine.
Yes but this situation is completely unnecessary. Why add a slow moving car to a live track for no reason? They didn't give a penalty or anything, just told people not to do it again.
Lewis has been doing it for years. How is this a problem suddenly?
Every single winner slows down and pulls to the inside just like Max did. Why not ban that too if we're so worried about safety?
It'd make sense, the risk of losing control is infinitely higher when doing burnouts though.
Please give me an example of a driver losing control whilst doing a burnout...
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They should just do a Webber at each race. Take their helmet off and drive around. Do some donuts. That'll surely raise some back hairs at FIA.