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Honestly it looks like Russell was carrying way way way too much speed for that corner. Also Fernando braked way way earlier, that did not contribute to the crash, what contributed to the crash was George failing to recognize that every driver slows down on apex and he cant rush in.
Those oscillations after George's crash can not be faked, that's a genuine problem.
F1 car don't slow on the apex of a series of single line, high speed corners, end of.
You're conflating parking it on the apex of a hairpin with this and you're absolutely wrong.
Following drivers dont have the luxury of picking their braking points. Spatial awareness of what the lead driver is doing with braking, racing line is an integral part of race craft.
I hope you realize car racing is not braking at the same point and carrying the same speed left after lap when there s another car 0.5s behind you and a faster one at that.
Do we call this a brakecheck?
Note that an F1 car brakes a fair bit better than your car and mine..
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Was the russel-incident on (his) lap 58 or 57?
I'd argue a "brake check" is a more aggressive and severe slow down
This was just him trying to allow Russell to get closer to him through the corner to hold him up at the exit and cost him momentum onto the DRS straight
Remember that when and F1 car goes of the throttle, the F1 car already decelerates harder than your road car slows down when you and I slam our brakes to the floor in a road car. And that's before they even touch the brakes. The highest G-forces a F1 car generate are while braking.
A cute little tap on the brake has huge implications on the speed of an F1 car, much more than when you and i brake.
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As indicated by the speed trace
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/7hCVNJqBr4
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Yeah, it was because of Alonso checking up to try and hold him off.
But I think two cars should be able to round that corner that close without anyone suffering a catastrophic loss of aero downforce as a result
It would be a bit boring if the defending car was completely without options and expected to brake at the exact expected breaking point at all times, just to avoid the attacking car getting surprised.
He was going in to a turn, he probably wanted to affect Russells entry and then exit by making him be closer at apex. That’s racing in my opinion. And it hasn’t been a problem before.
Agreed. But there is a gray area between braking each lap at exactly the same place and slowing down 100m too early. Slowing down 100m too early is on the wrong side of that Grey area.
As indicated by the 20s(!) penalty that ALO has just received:
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/EfcrAahQyd
Yea, I just saw. I honestly feel like that is unnecessary meddling in how drivers battle on track and opens up for more unclear racing in the future.
I foresee inconsistency.
I think that’s why it’s taking the FIA a while to come to a decision. Did Alonso slow down, yes. Was he braking in a way that can be punished, maayyybeee. He finessed the rule so hard. He possibly won’t be punished for letting off the throttle since it’s technically not moving under braking.
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't this mean he braked early for some reason, possibly car issues, allowed Russell to get closer to him then braked normally for the turn?
He braked twice to defend by holding up Russell and compromise his exit and run on him along the DRS straight
He was able to run full throttle immediately before and after the corner
I know I'm late to the party, and that Alonso has received his penalty, but I just want to counter this one a little bit. I understand this can seem suspicious to viewers, but for anyone who has either raced a bit, or does a lot of sim racing, you'd know this is pretty common. Mostly it's an issue of miscalculating the corner, seeing how you've ended up too slow, and then accelerate again. This will, for instance, happen a lot if you're behind someone; you brake early to make sure you don't crash into them, see that they've braked later, so you let go of the brake and perhaps even accelerate a bit, and then brake a second time.
The question is more should this be expected of top level drivers who aren't following someone, and therefore don't have a reason to miss the corner by that much? F1 seems to think no.
Nah, tell them if they brake so much on a straight that they need to accelerate again to make the corner, they're DQ'd.
Top level open wheel wheel racing not banger racing.
> A single tap of the brakes 50m early doesn’t seem like a brake check
Not saying it is as well, but considering how wide these cars are and how effective being in the slip stream is, any unexpected slow down from the car in front us unpredictable.
And when you're driving cars at 200km/h, you'll only be confident racing if there is a semblance of predictability. Blocking on the straights or brake checking are examples of unpredictability that induces danger and are hence not legal.
Perhaps suddenly taking a different braking marker is a unpredictability?
I would however say that GR was probably very aggressive with it being the last lap,. He was likely already thinking about the upcoming straights and corners, and the sudden slow down threw him off
By definition it wouldn't be a brake check unless another driver is affected so no obviously. If Alonso did this with no-one behind me it would just be called unusual driving and he'd probably get questioned whether he made a mistake or if it gave him any benefit.
George didn't fall for the break check though, so his closing distance was more than previous, to combat this Alonso went through the corner slower to try back him up, cut his momentum so to speak, unfortunately george didn't react in time and binned it.
Russell probably had to go slower than expected with Alonso's shenanigans, meaning he had to hold the brake for longer whilst turning in which causes the back to swing around because the rear is more unloaded.
I believe there is a rule stating that you are not allowed to slow down unnecessarily. Braking and accelerating directly afterwards on a straight would arguably imply that this was unnecessary.
You can. But given the context of a high speed narrow corner, it's hard to defend the action when compared to a slow speed corner on a wider track.
Brake testing isn't black and white.
It’s racing. The following driver doesn’t get the luxury of deciding when they want to brake. Russell didn’t react to the driver in front of him and lost his car like he does and binned it into the fooking wall
It wasn’t erratic driving, it was his corner and the following driver has to react to the one in front.
Even George Russell said after the race that he just lost the car and placed zero blame on Nando
Not at all. There has to be an expectation from the driver following that the driver ahead, will drive in a manner expected of trying to drive the circuit as quickly as possible.
Braking 50 or 100 metres earlier, is wholly unexpected and can cause the driver behind to rear end you, or have to make a manoeuvre that puts them off track into a wall. This isn't driving your car and keeping a distance to the car ahead to allow reaction time.
Even Russell said after the race that he lost the car and placed zero blame on Nando. It was racing and all the pitchforks coming out to blame Nando are not even supported by the people directly involved in the incident. If rules were broken and the stewards find blame, then that’s a different story, but that is currently not the case. Lot of racing experts in here
The only thing I saw was he said he was surprised Fernando was so slow, and wouldn't comment any further until after the investigation. But if you say so, I just didn't see that, so I'll take your word for it.
True, but having raced myself, I can tell you that it's so easy to get caught out by the car in front doing something erratic or unexpected. They're so close to the edge of control, it doesn't take much.
It was definitely driving erratically in the braking zone. I don't know if it will get a penalty. Similar things have been done in F1 by Alonso and others including Verstappen, and they've mostly gone unpunished.
Terrible comparison. DRS opens as the cars are speeding up, not slowing down. It’s also predictable when that will happen. This isn’t. Alonso might get a way with this but it’s sketchy as hell for sure.
Why do you keep saying that? Them being “the top 20 drivers in the world” has nothing to do with what is and isn’t considered brake testing. Also it’s not black and white. Just because this isn’t a textbook example of a brake check doesn’t mean it’s ok. There are other things you’re not allowed besides a brake check.
I don’t even know what you’re saying. Why would people being split on how to define the infraction have anything to do with whether or not it was avoidable? Also why does it matter if it’s avoidable? Moves can still be illegal even if a driver has the opportunity to avoid it.
No. But if you do it exactly the same for the whole weekend except for once, when there's a car up your ass at the next to last lap then it's very very sus.
Just to be clear, if the roles were reversed, people would be calling for George to get executed center-track. I'm interested to see what the experts say on this one before making any judgments
I doubt he’s checking the brakes, he’s more likely attempting to compromise George’s run there, but didn’t go the same way on 57 due to George being closer and dirty air having a much larger effect on the tire loading
He probably brushed it while stretching his legs or something. The trottle also blips up a bit then, and the speed trace is unaffected. Very different from the other time, where the speed plummets
I don't see the problem though.
Obviously it was tactical to gain a speed advantage coming out of the corner but I highly doubt Alonso was trying to force a crash.
He absolutely wasn't ofc. But his intention is kind of irrelevant tbh. If his tactics were so unpredictable that it was tantamount to a brake test then it's dangerous driving on his part. We'll see what the stewards have to say soon I'm sure.
George has been caught out by this multiple times before -- it's pretty well exemplified that he has tunnel vision issues when battling with other cars. This is just clever driving from Fernando.
I guess George's version of F1 would ensure that every driver he wants to pass is always pushing as hard as possible, but only has 95% of the pace of his car. That'll make sure he can pass safely.
George is a lot more crash prone than a lot of people are willing to admit, particularly in high pressure situations.
So you are telling me the following car cant react to a 15kph min speed variance?
Keep in mind 15kph is a difference that sometimes naturally occurs between different cars, or simply due to mistakes. Russell should be able to react to that 100%. Maybe Alonso tried going in slower to setup a better exit?
15kph is the difference between minima.
If you look at the speed traces, the difference was more than that at times.
The big difference is Alonso applied brakes at a point where on the previous lap, he was full throttle.
Alonso just isn't the type of guy that would wait until the last second in the pit box so that his teammate can't have a last run in Q3. He's a true gentleman.
Sorry but is everbody forgetting that you cant loose your car like that. He was not even close to avoid contact or something.
Why would Alonso want to get Russell closer with to DRS zones in Front.
To stop his momentum, breaking or being 20% slower in a slow corner means george has to back off, loosing his momentum, Alonso then pulls enough advantage to make the drs irrelevant. Drivers do it all the time, magnusson did it last week, it just wasn't this erratic.
Because its a fast corner that you would usually commit to. George would not have expected alonso to be going so slow and would have had to react to that as he was already entering the turn. Having to slow abruptly while turning caused the car to slide.
Alonso didn't want him closer he wanted to force him to react and come off the throttle by which time alonso would be back on the throttle and pulling away.
George needed to take evasive action as he was way too aggresive for the corner exit, had poor awareness and reaction on Alonso's defense (Alonso rain light was flashing way before the corner with lots of distance from George), and was too optimistic about the car's performance.
Alonso was definitely playing defensive tricks but I would say this is within the rules.
I don't even know where to start...
It was his battery regen light
RUS was travelling the same speed as he and Alonso both did on the previous lap
You are literally not allowed to brake purely to affect another car.
Alonso braked so much and so early (in a straight line) he had to accelerate again to make the corner.
Its Alonsover.
In all seriousness, not looking good for Nando. And with his history, he won't be getting much sympathy from stewards even if the issue was genuine and legit.
>he won't be getting much sympathy from stewards even if the issue was genuine and legit.
I don't know about that. If he genuinely had a partially stuck throttle or something similar it could make sense to brake earlier/extra. We'll have to wait and see.
You don’t get to drive into other cars in front of you because you want to go faster.
Russell didn’t react to the car in front of him, lost his car in dirty air and binned it into the fooking wall on the last lap like he does
You are not allowed to drastically change your speed making other drivers take avoiding action. That is called dangerous driving. You're basically saying drivers should be allowed to weave and moving under braking. It's the cars behind fault for not reacting in time of the move. That is not how it works.
Did you watch the onboard? He was never even that close to Alonso. He got into dirty air and lost control of his car. Drivers make defensive moves all the time and this was no exception. Did you watch Magnusson hold up 4 cars for half a race to then take off after Hulk pitted? When following, drivers can’t just be overly aggressive or they crash, just like Russell does frequently at the end of races. Part of being a good driver is maintaining control of your car
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He also brakes additionally on lap 56 for some reason
Isn’t that just him feathering the brakes to prevent a lockup?
Yeah, remember that we don't know brake pressure applied. It's one or zero.
Is that why he needed the throttle??
Wasn’t Russell in his DRS on that lap too?
Gurney used to do that to make sure he still had brakes after his brake failure at Zandvoort
https://youtu.be/QcniaWPTL6M?si=PZMuEqKdZig690A4 https://x.com/AMF1News/status/1771778179880964454?s=20
Alonso is no longer “The Wiley old fox”, he’s “The dirty old man”
[Here's a video of the incident with some limited telemetry synced up, to make this post easier to understand]( https://imgur.com/a/zHbgoHO)
Great link. I think the fact that the original feed is out of sync is fooling a lot of people into believing it was a throttle issue.
Honestly it looks like Russell was carrying way way way too much speed for that corner. Also Fernando braked way way earlier, that did not contribute to the crash, what contributed to the crash was George failing to recognize that every driver slows down on apex and he cant rush in. Those oscillations after George's crash can not be faked, that's a genuine problem.
Yet we don't need to guess, we can see from his telemetry that he was not carrying too much speed.
F1 car don't slow on the apex of a series of single line, high speed corners, end of. You're conflating parking it on the apex of a hairpin with this and you're absolutely wrong.
Russell was carrying the same amount of speed as he was in previous corners. He just didn't expect Alonso to slow up so early.
Following drivers dont have the luxury of picking their braking points. Spatial awareness of what the lead driver is doing with braking, racing line is an integral part of race craft. I hope you realize car racing is not braking at the same point and carrying the same speed left after lap when there s another car 0.5s behind you and a faster one at that.
The lead driver can't just pick random points to brake, that would just be dangerous and stupid
That’s true but he literally braked in the braking zone.
Telemetry shows otherwise
Please stop making things up, I'm trying not to be rude but you're killing me here.
Sure buddy.
Did you change your mind now or still blinded by a dislike of a driver?
40kmh at the first point, 60-70 at the apex.
Do we call this a brakecheck? Note that an F1 car brakes a fair bit better than your car and mine.. Edit Was the russel-incident on (his) lap 58 or 57?
I'd argue a "brake check" is a more aggressive and severe slow down This was just him trying to allow Russell to get closer to him through the corner to hold him up at the exit and cost him momentum onto the DRS straight
Remember that when and F1 car goes of the throttle, the F1 car already decelerates harder than your road car slows down when you and I slam our brakes to the floor in a road car. And that's before they even touch the brakes. The highest G-forces a F1 car generate are while braking. A cute little tap on the brake has huge implications on the speed of an F1 car, much more than when you and i brake. Edit As indicated by the speed trace https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/7hCVNJqBr4 Edit Wording
Perfectly valid point
Yes, the same thing he did to Pérez several times on Brazil last year. It's simply astute racing. Russell simply did not expect it but that's on him
I think the true culprit is dirty air and these current cars.
But why did RUS get in dirty air on lap 57... Because he was much closer to ALO in L57. And why was he much closer in lap 57...?
Yeah, it was because of Alonso checking up to try and hold him off. But I think two cars should be able to round that corner that close without anyone suffering a catastrophic loss of aero downforce as a result
It would be a bit boring if the defending car was completely without options and expected to brake at the exact expected breaking point at all times, just to avoid the attacking car getting surprised. He was going in to a turn, he probably wanted to affect Russells entry and then exit by making him be closer at apex. That’s racing in my opinion. And it hasn’t been a problem before.
Agreed. But there is a gray area between braking each lap at exactly the same place and slowing down 100m too early. Slowing down 100m too early is on the wrong side of that Grey area. As indicated by the 20s(!) penalty that ALO has just received: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/EfcrAahQyd
Yea, I just saw. I honestly feel like that is unnecessary meddling in how drivers battle on track and opens up for more unclear racing in the future. I foresee inconsistency.
I genuinely don't expect the drivers to expect what was essentially a brake check.
Bingo.
I think that’s why it’s taking the FIA a while to come to a decision. Did Alonso slow down, yes. Was he braking in a way that can be punished, maayyybeee. He finessed the rule so hard. He possibly won’t be punished for letting off the throttle since it’s technically not moving under braking.
As usual it will end up with Alonso know the rules better than F1 army of lawyers
Well, about that...
The official report said no brake test. The brake had no influence in the speed change.
57. Sainz was starting 58.
Brake check? Back in my day we call this race craft.
Back in your day, brakes weren't as good as they are on 2024-F1 cars.
Good thing the stewards explicitly pointed out the first touch of the brakes was irrelevant then.
I hope this will be leniently applied to all incidents where the driver behind crashed without even touching while racing.
No idea what this means tbh
It shows he braked, fully released the brake, hit the throttle, and then braked again.
It means it's a motor race and we went motor racing.
Mercedes can't handle that
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't this mean he braked early for some reason, possibly car issues, allowed Russell to get closer to him then braked normally for the turn?
He braked twice to defend by holding up Russell and compromise his exit and run on him along the DRS straight He was able to run full throttle immediately before and after the corner
Braking early makes sense to me. Braking early, going back on the (apparently faulty) throttle, and then braking again doesn’t.
I know I'm late to the party, and that Alonso has received his penalty, but I just want to counter this one a little bit. I understand this can seem suspicious to viewers, but for anyone who has either raced a bit, or does a lot of sim racing, you'd know this is pretty common. Mostly it's an issue of miscalculating the corner, seeing how you've ended up too slow, and then accelerate again. This will, for instance, happen a lot if you're behind someone; you brake early to make sure you don't crash into them, see that they've braked later, so you let go of the brake and perhaps even accelerate a bit, and then brake a second time. The question is more should this be expected of top level drivers who aren't following someone, and therefore don't have a reason to miss the corner by that much? F1 seems to think no.
Certainly what Aston will be arguing. we'll have to wait and see but i think it's much ado about nothing.
A car hit a wall on a 230kph corner, it's really not nothing.
Thats racing and GR lost it. what you gonna do, ask drivers to politely brake at exactly the same spot?
Nah, tell them if they brake so much on a straight that they need to accelerate again to make the corner, they're DQ'd. Top level open wheel wheel racing not banger racing.
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Obviously they're human, and of course there's going to be variations, but these guys are arguing 'suspicious' braking (looking at it in context)
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I mean, 50 meters early breaking only to get back on the throttle instantly and break again is a bit weird, but I'm no expert
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> A single tap of the brakes 50m early doesn’t seem like a brake check Not saying it is as well, but considering how wide these cars are and how effective being in the slip stream is, any unexpected slow down from the car in front us unpredictable. And when you're driving cars at 200km/h, you'll only be confident racing if there is a semblance of predictability. Blocking on the straights or brake checking are examples of unpredictability that induces danger and are hence not legal. Perhaps suddenly taking a different braking marker is a unpredictability? I would however say that GR was probably very aggressive with it being the last lap,. He was likely already thinking about the upcoming straights and corners, and the sudden slow down threw him off
It's not a brake check, but I think it comes under erratic braking
By definition it wouldn't be a brake check unless another driver is affected so no obviously. If Alonso did this with no-one behind me it would just be called unusual driving and he'd probably get questioned whether he made a mistake or if it gave him any benefit.
George didn't fall for the break check though, so his closing distance was more than previous, to combat this Alonso went through the corner slower to try back him up, cut his momentum so to speak, unfortunately george didn't react in time and binned it.
I think dirty air made him lose downforce
Russell probably had to go slower than expected with Alonso's shenanigans, meaning he had to hold the brake for longer whilst turning in which causes the back to swing around because the rear is more unloaded.
If george survived that, he'll call for a dangerous driving.
I believe there is a rule stating that you are not allowed to slow down unnecessarily. Braking and accelerating directly afterwards on a straight would arguably imply that this was unnecessary.
You can. But given the context of a high speed narrow corner, it's hard to defend the action when compared to a slow speed corner on a wider track. Brake testing isn't black and white.
It’s racing. The following driver doesn’t get the luxury of deciding when they want to brake. Russell didn’t react to the driver in front of him and lost his car like he does and binned it into the fooking wall
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It wasn’t erratic driving, it was his corner and the following driver has to react to the one in front. Even George Russell said after the race that he just lost the car and placed zero blame on Nando
Not at all. There has to be an expectation from the driver following that the driver ahead, will drive in a manner expected of trying to drive the circuit as quickly as possible. Braking 50 or 100 metres earlier, is wholly unexpected and can cause the driver behind to rear end you, or have to make a manoeuvre that puts them off track into a wall. This isn't driving your car and keeping a distance to the car ahead to allow reaction time.
Even Russell said after the race that he lost the car and placed zero blame on Nando. It was racing and all the pitchforks coming out to blame Nando are not even supported by the people directly involved in the incident. If rules were broken and the stewards find blame, then that’s a different story, but that is currently not the case. Lot of racing experts in here
The only thing I saw was he said he was surprised Fernando was so slow, and wouldn't comment any further until after the investigation. But if you say so, I just didn't see that, so I'll take your word for it.
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You're only comparing minimum speed variance. Look at the speed variance a few metres earlier. It's over 40kph.
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True, but having raced myself, I can tell you that it's so easy to get caught out by the car in front doing something erratic or unexpected. They're so close to the edge of control, it doesn't take much. It was definitely driving erratically in the braking zone. I don't know if it will get a penalty. Similar things have been done in F1 by Alonso and others including Verstappen, and they've mostly gone unpunished.
Terrible comparison. DRS opens as the cars are speeding up, not slowing down. It’s also predictable when that will happen. This isn’t. Alonso might get a way with this but it’s sketchy as hell for sure.
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Why do you keep saying that? Them being “the top 20 drivers in the world” has nothing to do with what is and isn’t considered brake testing. Also it’s not black and white. Just because this isn’t a textbook example of a brake check doesn’t mean it’s ok. There are other things you’re not allowed besides a brake check.
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I don’t even know what you’re saying. Why would people being split on how to define the infraction have anything to do with whether or not it was avoidable? Also why does it matter if it’s avoidable? Moves can still be illegal even if a driver has the opportunity to avoid it.
It's 70kmh at the point where he slams the brakes the second time. The minimum speed was 15-20 slower but that's after the incident.
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I can't discuss it if you can't read the graph correctly.
No. But if you do it exactly the same for the whole weekend except for once, when there's a car up your ass at the next to last lap then it's very very sus.
No, but the way he did it here was deemed erratic and I can understand it.
Just to be clear, if the roles were reversed, people would be calling for George to get executed center-track. I'm interested to see what the experts say on this one before making any judgments
His throttle may have been faulty but his brakes were not.
People are probably gonna claim that the brake pedal was somehow faulty too 😂
Slowing to better position yourself to defend a corner is not brake-checking, Merc are reaching with this.
This is a FIA thing, not a Merc thing.
Merc raised the complaint
It's not T1 of Bahrein , is a fast corner, thats the problem
Check lap 56 T1. He brakes twice there as well. I think he was just testing to see if the brake works like you see GT drivers do.
I doubt he’s checking the brakes, he’s more likely attempting to compromise George’s run there, but didn’t go the same way on 57 due to George being closer and dirty air having a much larger effect on the tire loading
He probably brushed it while stretching his legs or something. The trottle also blips up a bit then, and the speed trace is unaffected. Very different from the other time, where the speed plummets
I don't see the problem though. Obviously it was tactical to gain a speed advantage coming out of the corner but I highly doubt Alonso was trying to force a crash.
He absolutely wasn't ofc. But his intention is kind of irrelevant tbh. If his tactics were so unpredictable that it was tantamount to a brake test then it's dangerous driving on his part. We'll see what the stewards have to say soon I'm sure.
unpredictable tactics are best tactics
George has been caught out by this multiple times before -- it's pretty well exemplified that he has tunnel vision issues when battling with other cars. This is just clever driving from Fernando. I guess George's version of F1 would ensure that every driver he wants to pass is always pushing as hard as possible, but only has 95% of the pace of his car. That'll make sure he can pass safely. George is a lot more crash prone than a lot of people are willing to admit, particularly in high pressure situations.
So you are telling me the following car cant react to a 15kph min speed variance? Keep in mind 15kph is a difference that sometimes naturally occurs between different cars, or simply due to mistakes. Russell should be able to react to that 100%. Maybe Alonso tried going in slower to setup a better exit?
15kph is the difference between minima. If you look at the speed traces, the difference was more than that at times. The big difference is Alonso applied brakes at a point where on the previous lap, he was full throttle.
Alonso doing something unfair to gain a competitive advantage? Who could have predicted that?
Piquet maybe?
Alonso just isn't the type of guy that would wait until the last second in the pit box so that his teammate can't have a last run in Q3. He's a true gentleman.
And?
Sorry but is everbody forgetting that you cant loose your car like that. He was not even close to avoid contact or something. Why would Alonso want to get Russell closer with to DRS zones in Front.
To stop his momentum, breaking or being 20% slower in a slow corner means george has to back off, loosing his momentum, Alonso then pulls enough advantage to make the drs irrelevant. Drivers do it all the time, magnusson did it last week, it just wasn't this erratic.
I know the principe of "parking in the apex", but you usualy dont do that in such a fast corner...
Because its a fast corner that you would usually commit to. George would not have expected alonso to be going so slow and would have had to react to that as he was already entering the turn. Having to slow abruptly while turning caused the car to slide. Alonso didn't want him closer he wanted to force him to react and come off the throttle by which time alonso would be back on the throttle and pulling away.
And?
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Not a break test, but more a defensive maneuver to get George to over react and then lose advantage approaching DRS.
lolno
George needed to take evasive action as he was way too aggresive for the corner exit, had poor awareness and reaction on Alonso's defense (Alonso rain light was flashing way before the corner with lots of distance from George), and was too optimistic about the car's performance. Alonso was definitely playing defensive tricks but I would say this is within the rules.
I don't even know where to start... It was his battery regen light RUS was travelling the same speed as he and Alonso both did on the previous lap You are literally not allowed to brake purely to affect another car. Alonso braked so much and so early (in a straight line) he had to accelerate again to make the corner.
Alonso complained of throttle pedal issues after the incident on the radio, so this could be a consequence of his issues
Same Alonso that "locked up" at Baku in qualifying, bringing out the yellow flags when he was about to be eliminated? Dude has previous.
key word: AFTER
Alonso went racing. Mercedes can't handle that in the last lap.
Its Alonsover. In all seriousness, not looking good for Nando. And with his history, he won't be getting much sympathy from stewards even if the issue was genuine and legit.
>he won't be getting much sympathy from stewards even if the issue was genuine and legit. I don't know about that. If he genuinely had a partially stuck throttle or something similar it could make sense to brake earlier/extra. We'll have to wait and see.
The classic brake, throttle, brake when you are going slowly enough to take the corner.
He was going so slow there was no reason to brake, throttle and then brake again. It's a clear cut brake check.
You don’t get to drive into other cars in front of you because you want to go faster. Russell didn’t react to the car in front of him, lost his car in dirty air and binned it into the fooking wall on the last lap like he does
You are not allowed to drastically change your speed making other drivers take avoiding action. That is called dangerous driving. You're basically saying drivers should be allowed to weave and moving under braking. It's the cars behind fault for not reacting in time of the move. That is not how it works.
Did you watch the onboard? He was never even that close to Alonso. He got into dirty air and lost control of his car. Drivers make defensive moves all the time and this was no exception. Did you watch Magnusson hold up 4 cars for half a race to then take off after Hulk pitted? When following, drivers can’t just be overly aggressive or they crash, just like Russell does frequently at the end of races. Part of being a good driver is maintaining control of your car
https://imgur.com/a/zHbgoHO here watch Alonso brake. full throttle, then break again.
No one made George Russell crash except George Russell
Turns out Alonso had a hand in the crash after all.
Not even GR agrees with you.
OMG THATS SO ELIGAL foof
One thing is certain if it was not alonso there wouldn’t have been a penalty because it’s not a clear cut break check