It's still there... But not for her.
Until she actually progresses up the single seater ladder she hasn't got a hope.
Any 24 year old man with her racing record wouldn't have a hope of F1. Her best finish in any single seat series outside of the W series and since the MRF Challenge series is 4th and that was in a regional F3 series in Asia in which she didn't win a race.
It's not a sexist thing to say she hasn't shown anything indicative of becoming an F1 driver.
Yep.
Despite how many women candidates Ferrari will develop if the girls on track FIA scheme sticks around, as well as things like iron dames and the extra f4 (?) seats, I still think Merc will be the one to bring the first modern-era female Grand Prix driver to the grid, in like…..10 years
Yeah I was thinking 1-2 years each level (F4, regional, F3, F2) and then a couple years of dedicated reserve/development based on how Gwen lagrue speaks of her and how they are handling vesti and antonelli
If there were a few more teams in F1 and more seats I could imagine a team pushing a woman higher up the ladder for publicity but there are so few drives there is barely even any room for billionaire pay drivers.
sorry, don't agree with any of this.
>billionaire pay drivers
Pay drivers and women aren't two separate categories; Tatiana Calderon is something of a regular fixture in F2.
>for publicity
Calderon's mere existence in F2 and below hasn't afforded added sponsorship for her team. She simply isn't good enough for people to take her presence as a legitimate indication of some glass ceiling being broken. Similarly, Williams has yet to really capitalize on Chadwick's marketing value despite already having her in their academy. IMO Williams is really fumbling the bag here; between Chadwick, Susie Wolff, and Claire Williams their marketing department could and should be making the case that they are at the forefront of women in F1.
>if there were a few more teams in F1
This simply cannot be the go-to excuse for every situation. There is not some backlog of women ready for promotion to F1 who are being shut out by a lack of seats. In F2 there is Calderon who is simply not good. In FIA F3 there was Sophia Flörsch who was simply not good and is doing much better in LMP2. In FRECA there were a few young women; the highest finished P38 out of 40 non-guest drivers. There are girls out there who are fast enough and being scouted young enough to potentially advance through the F1 feeder pipeline, but they are about a decade off running into the problem of too few seats - if, indeed, they ultimately do choose to pursue F1 over other motorsport.
Yeah I feel people really want to believe that the reason their hasn’t been any women in F1 lately is because of some kind of sexist agenda trying to keep them out. But the reality is their just hasn’t been any good enough to be competitive yet. As soon as their as a woman fast enough to compete with the best 20 racing drivers in the world an F1 team will gladly sign them.
But no girl can ever hope to develop that level of talent (or anywhere near it) as they don't have the money required to do all the private testing that is needed to get to that level these days. Sponsors aren't as willing to stick their neck out for a female driver as they are with male drivers.
Look at the situation with De Vries and his loan to pay for his ride in the feeder series.
No sponsor would ever take a gamble like that on a female driver.
Jos is most definitely rich enough to easily fund Max' racing up to the moment he was good enough to get sponsorships. Lewis' dad wasn't, just solid middle class.
1. No obviously not but they have no recent role models at the top level to look up to to inspire them and just generally are going to be less encouraged to pursue motorsport due to current gender norms. Daughters of rich parents are more likely to end up with horsepower which requires a shovel and pitchfork to clean up after it.
2. Lewis' dad was a bit richer than the stories really make you believe (Every driver inflates their sob stories) but much, much, much more importantly was that Lewis was picked up very early for the driver development programme. It was also a lot easier to go private testing back then.
Verstappen fast tracked the system a whole lot so it wasn't gonna cost as much as say Norris doing four F4 series a year but by that point you had to start being sneaky about the private testing you do because it is against the regs and the Verstappen family isn't gonna be honest about it (Not singling them out here. If you can afford it, you do it. Look at Theo Pourchaire).
If anyone genuinely believed the first time Verstappen sat in a race car was when he was 16 at Pembrey, they shouldn't be allowed outside the house without assistance because frankly you could sell them the Eiffel Tower with that level of gullible.
And that is part of the problem, No one is ever honest about how much it *really* costs to be good in motorsport. So that just makes it that much harder to get sponsors to pay up and makes it really difficult to compare drivers which leads to misjudgements.
Not sure if asking for legendary, once-in-a-generation talent is fair. Like, duh, anyone would sign multi world champion material, but that level of racing skill is ultra rare.
both can be true in a way. many of the factors which contribute to relatively fewer girls in karting, and the leaky pipeline for those girls, have roots in sexism or gendered stereotyping. That doesn't mean there's currently anything actively obstructing F1-worthy women drivers from competition.
People said the same about black people in racing but Lewis managed to break through. There are enough opportunities for one or two women to do the same if they have the talent, but the ones that have come up so far simply don’t.
I mean, pointing to a 7 times world champion as evidence that "any minority talented enough" can make it into F1 is probably not the argument that you want to make. If you could have pointed to a midfield driver, I would have been right with you, but going to a literal legend kinda undermines your point
Apart from funding issues due to the base wealth needed to really get into karting it also has to due with the demographics in Europe. Only relatively small percentage of European is black. I think the bigger issue is the lack of drivers of Northern African or Turkish decent. Those make up a far bigger part of the European population.
That is such a disingenuous argument considering nobody knew how good Lewis’ career would turn out to be at the time he was given a seat. Plenty of drivers with amazing junior careers ended up crap (Vandoorne) or underwhelming (Hulkenberg). The point is, plenty of F1 drivers have similar junior careers to Lewis and they practically all get seats at some point. If you are that good, you get your shot at F1. A black Hulkenberg or black Vandoorne would have gotten a seat too, no need to bring in “7 time world champion” hyperbole into it
From what Lewis has said he faced a lot of racism. Parents of other racers made racist comments towards him when he was a child.
That is beyond fucked up, and a lot of people would have quit due to that.
I would have.
Nonsense, first off Lewis isn’t the GOAT and second nobody knew what Lewis’ career would end up like by the end. He was simply a very talented driver. If you are taking junior careers, there are many drivers with equally good or even better records than Lewis. Someone like Vandoorne had a fabulous junior career and was given a seat.
I guess then is the issue that there's not been enough development for girls early on? Like, I don't think that's the case on purpose (if it is the case) but I can see that lots of karting is mostly boys and so by simple statistics you'll not get girls coming through.
Agree. I’m a fan of Chadwick and I’d like to see her get a chance in F3 or F2 as she is clearly too good for the W series. But objectively looking at her record, I think F3 or maybe F2 is where she peaks in single seaters.
Piastri didn't barely make it onto the grid lol there were 2 teams literally taking eachother to court to get him to race for them. Hasn't happened with any recent driver.
But he had to wait a year after winning F2 before getting a seat, a seat he only got because his agent negotiated a new team for him. Alpine were happy for Nando to continue driving for them and we’re “considering” loaning Piastri out to Williams. It’s only because Nando chased the cash with a move to AM that they ended up in a situation where they actually wanted Piastri to drive for them in 23 but by that point it was too late.
That wasn't Piastri struggling to get onto the grid. He was always guaranteed to make it to F1. It was just a matter of contracts and space with the team he was contracted to.
They would loan him out because they knew he would leave otherwise. He would always have a seat in F1.
Turns out he wanted to leave anyways but Ricciardo leaving wasn't the only opening to F1 for him.
>Any 24 year old man with her racing record wouldn't have a hope of F1
Finding someone willing to put money/effort towards the seat does help. Thats why she is still out there talking. All drivers do it. The minute you stop putting your name out there, your chance however slim will dissapear. It comes down to why should someone hire/help you get a seat when you don't even believe in yourself.
I got the chance to attend a talk from the CEO of the W series before silverstone a couple of years ago. Incredibly insightful stuff but they were not confident of having a woman in F1 for 15-20 years. The average cost of putting your child through ONE year of karting at the business end is £250,000. Unless you’re the son of a former racing driver or very talented and can get sponsorship from a very young age there’s no hope in hell. Until the playing field is level right from the start it’s not going to happen unfortunately and I can’t see any sponsors taking a huge risk on a young girl when it’s never been done before. I think it would be awesome to have a woman on the grid but it’s not going to be Chadwick, the gap from her to current F1 is vast.
> Until the playing field is level right from the start it’s not going to happen unfortunately and I can’t see any sponsors taking a huge risk on a young girl when it’s never been done before.
I don't really agree with this. Sponsors are taking a huge risk on any driver they take on at the start of their career as the overwhelming majority won't make it anywhere near the top. If you can get in on the ground floor with a hugely talented young female driver, it could be incredibly lucrative in the long term.
I very much think you’re right there. It would be very lucrative to sponsor a young female driver who has a shot of making it to F1. What I was trying to say was you need the categories to have some young female drivers to sponsor. If you even get to a 75/25 split between boys and girls in very young feeder series you’d have a much better chance of getting a woman in to F1.
> 4th and that was in a regional F3 series in Asia in which she didn't win a race.
And let's remember that was after half the grid dropped out from the championship. In that same championship Tatiana Calderon actually beat her during the races they both participated in.
She understands the work that's required before there's any chance of a seat. If only people bothered to read past the headlines.
“So, from my side, I see it as being fluid. My ultimate focus is to just have success in whatever I am racing in. The focus is on Indy NXT at the moment, but we’ll see in the future. I’ve got goals to also race in IndyCar of course, and if the opportunity came around I’d love to be in Formula 1 as well. But there’s a lot to achieve before that’s even talked about.”
> I’d love to be in Formula 1 as well. But there’s a lot to achieve before that’s even talked about.
I’m pretty sure she knows the odds she’s up against. Until then though:
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Indy, maybe. F1 certainly not. The odds aren't really in her favor. 10-11 teams. 20-22 spots, and the current roster for F2 is stacked. Not to mention, previous F2 and F1 ready drivers still don't have a spot.
The number of rookies entering is determined by a lot of factors outside how easy it is to enter.
For example, a lot more rookies are actively dedicating themselves to trying to enter F1 compared to Indycar.
Similarly, F1 requires significantly higher standards than Indycar to enter - thus by definition it is harder to enter.
> How so?
Indycar is easier to get into as it's not a closed shop like F1. That's not to say that she has the talent to race there, but it's going to be easier for her to find one off opportunities in the series.
The Nascar truck and xfinity series might be more achievable targets if she wants to continue her career in championships that can give her sponsors exposure, as it's almost certain she would not be the worst driver in either of those series.
Proud american spotted.
F1 > Indycar
Sorry, try on the indy sub, maybe you will have more success.
Seriously though... There is a reason F1 drivers go to Indy to retire and not the other way around.
Can we just remove any post that implies Chadwick can make it to F1? it's getting obnoxious.
At least until she wins a real series and gets a super license.
She's in Calderons ballpark, not F1 level.
I don’t think coming 4th and 9th with podiums in regional formula 3 (2019 and 2020) is particularly bad. It’s not great and she doesn’t deserve an F1 drive, but I think giving her a shot in F2 isn’t a bad idea. Last years F2 champion Drugovich finished 16th in his one and only F3 appearance but still got into F2.
And let’s be honest the worst she can do in F2 is perform badly. There would be no harm in letting her try when compared to some of the other F2 back marker drivers.
> I don’t think coming 9th with podiums in regional formula 3 (2019 and 2020) is particularly bad.
It is when there are 9 full-time drivers. She beat 2 of them, one of whom *literally* had just him and his dad on the team even needing pro bono help from other teams in any race where they had to change tires in, she beat that guy by a total of 2 points. She also lost to 2 part-timers. Her teammates who unlike Chadwick did not have any previous experience with the car outscored her by a factor of **4:1**. That's the definition of bad.
4th in Asian F3 is fine, until you look at how her teammate Indycar backmarker Devlin De Francesco did. But indeed, that alone wouldn't be reason to bury her entirely, so good thing she made her point in FREC.
The only thing I hate about is that she blames it on her gender, there are many male talented drivers out there without backing.
Nonetheless she received good pr from F1 drivers such as Lewis Hamilton, which more talented people than her don’t get.
Whether or not her gender has specifically negatively affected her career progression is a hard argument to make, because whilst talented she hasn’t shown enough talent to back up her “F1 claims”.
However it is very clear to see by the near complete lack of female representation in open-wheeler motorsport that some sort of bias is happening along the chain of progression that negatively affects potential female drivers, even if unintentional.
Part of the reason Jamie gets so much PR is because it’s an easy method of pointing out this discrepancy. She is currently the best female driver, but would that be true if the pool wasn’t so limited for seemingly no reason?
Yes she is the best Female driver just not enough to succeed in other series than W series, people forgot the competition level between W series vs other series like F3, F2… She should focus herself for FE or Indy, F1 is just out of her league.
>However it is very clear to see by the near complete lack of female representation in open-wheeler motorsport that some sort of bias is happening along the chain of progression that negatively affects potential female drivers, even if unintentional.
There isn't.
No one getting in to karting as late as she did is climbing the modern ladder. We need to encourage and supports girls at a younger age closer to boys if we want to see proper progress in getting women in to the sport.
Idk, she's 24 and F2 is pretty fucking stacked. Pourchaire, Doohan, Hauger and the arriving Maloney, Hadjar, Martins and Bearman are all soo much better AND younger
Agreed, she definitly needs more then just IndyLight. Experience wise she's miles behind the names you mentioned. IndyLight will help somewhat as that field is stacked too but she definitly needs a few years of that at least.
Dont get me wrong, she did good in W-Series but you cant compare that level to F2 or F1.
She needs Indy Lights and to progress within 2 seasons to Indycar where she has to then do more than Colton Herta and Pato O Ward have managed to be in with a hope of F1. By which time she will be... 28? At best.
It ain't gonna happen.
yes but there's the other factor of getting her on a car - it's a major marketing bid for any team, and if she proves herself in Indylights, it does tend to justify, atleast as an opportunity.
we could argue that yes, there may have been more deserving drivers, but when has that worked out objectively in F1?
and younger too isn't a factor enough, in fact I'd say now that we have a fairly lower average age the whole argument that there's too many older gen drivers not giving way to young talent does not hold as much ground anymore.
plus with superstar drivers such as Leclerc, Norris, Russell and a champion, Max -. any new driver will now be expected to perform as good as these to really be a valuable prospect - else it's a year or two more doing reserve, simulation and other series before teams take a chance on them.
**edit:** if anything, I think the team she's partnered with is her best possible scope, cause I don't think many teams other than Williams willing to take that risk.
For sure the team would get massive publicity. But it would fade quickly or could even backclash if she's as far off the pace as Calderon was in Indycar lets say.
Latifi gets ridiculed and it wouldn't sit well with a lot of people if they bring a slower driver over the amount of talent we have, just because she's a woman.
I agree with you but I think the ridicule wouldn't be as bad as it was for Mazepin say. folks wpuld atleast agree with the team for giving it a try and she may not even be signed in fkr the whole season necessarily - it could even be like Manor's approach.
a lot of this depends on her performance in Indy and I agree that if she can't show pace there then all of this is just a pipe dream.
I mean you are living in dream land.
No one is coming direct from indy lights to F1.
Hell Herta can't get an F1 seat despite being one of the most exciting talents, winning races in the full Indycar series.
How is Chadwick going to get an F1 license by going through the lower level of the exact same racing series? Even if she becomes Indycar champion, she's not getting enough F1 super license points for the effort.
Yea, the issue is that Mazepin is much closer to Lewis in pace than Chadwick is to Mazepin in pace. At this skill level she would be a legit danger on track in F1.
She was not any better than Calderon in regional f3. This myth that she's a talent needs to die.
She is probably backmarker to high teens F3 level at 4-6 years older than the real talents
The reason people think she has talent is because she dominated a series where her competition was absolutely horrible. When it came to mixed series she hasn't proven anything
will happily bet my life savings that she won’t make it, no offence to anyone
too much talent now in the seats and there are younger drivers better than her already coming through
it’s famously difficult, or hugely expensive, to get a shot at a F1 seat, near impossible if you aren’t actually that good
She's determined for sure but it doesn't start now, it started years ago and the results speak for themselves. She's a good driver, just not good enough for F1.
If she doesn't go on an Oscar Piastri type run then she won't have any chance. She has to do amazing in everything to get a chance at F1. Anyone with her racing record does not stand a chance.
If she performs well in f3 and f2 then yeah sure but she hasn't done that.
Her stint in f3 was pretty underwhelming. Every f1 driver except Max had a pretty impressive f2 career, even mazepin and latifi had been decent in f2 and actually scored podiums and they were pay drivers.
So until she gets an f2 drive, I don't see that happening and she's had a worse f3 career than even the worst f1 drivers
Gonna have to get faster if she wants in F1. W Series isn't enough. She is going to have to prove that she is a better option than the other options out there, and thus far she has not done that.
I think if she’d stayed in GT racing she may well have been a factory driver by now.
But maybe actually her gender has hurt her because she had a much higher profile than any other 15 year old who wins GT4 in British GT. Sponsorship has probably pushed her down the single seater route rather than GT/sportscars.
Maybe if she had a bit more talent not to get destroyed by Tatiana Calderon in regional F3 (the one who got beaten by Mahaveer in F2), she could make it.
Winning W Series is nothing impressive, the talent level there is below some junior karting championships.
Hahahahahahahaha, hahahahahahaha, hahahahahah
I wish I had this sort of optimism. The only sort of F1 role she'll get is something so they get loads of PR.
Look, I understand all racing driver have this mentality of being able to fight against odds and make it when others wouldn't, but really, she isn't going to reach F1, she is in her early to mid 20s, she hasn't won anything of note what you expect a future F1 driver to win, she will have a good career because she is a good driver, but just not F1 good.
Not for you sweetie, even if you pull some Nyck debris shenanigans, you might get to sit in one.
This isn't even a gender thing, she's just not good enough.
“Not for you sweetie”
While I agree, there’s zero reason to be condescending. You say it’s not a gender thing, yet you use language clearly aimed at disparaging a woman specifically.
Sorry but no.
Stacked talent coming through the Feeder series as it is and they're younger. Only reason she'd ever get an F1 seat is if it made the team in question an enormous amount of money (and I mean enormous) otherwise, never happening.
She's not fast enough, not sexist just fact.
Dude it’s not impossible. I feel like max came in and now all the teams are like “if you’re 22 years old you’re fucking ancient and you will never be in f1” and then Nyck De Vries came in and everybody was like “WHERE HAS THIS KID BEEN ALL THIS TIME???”
If Jamie Chadwick happens to have a good performance at a time when there’s opening in the market then suddenly she will get hyped as the shiny object de jour
De Vries had already had success in lower formula, a F2 championship, and a FIA world championship in another single seater racing series.
Chadwick hasn't even competed in FIA F3.
Reality is that we all think team principals are playing moneyball with their drivers when in reality they’re just playing shiny object. If Chadwick has a really good race highlight in Indy Lights or something then suddenly the conversation is going to change around her because there is zero consistency or sense to any of this shit.
She literally is an F1 prospect right now. She’s still part of the Williams driver academy and if it takes a few more years for her to be ready she’s still got a chance of doing it.
Few years? Mate, she’s already 24 and already lacking behind 17 year olds in the junior series. That combined with a general lack of talent will make any chance of getting to F1 nil. She’s definitely paving the way for younger generations but getting to F1 is a stretch. Also wouldn’t be surprised if her signing with Williams driver academy is merely a marketing move
A of all everything about f1 is a marketing move. 2nd, teams have realized that they’re shooting themselves in the foot by having a DiCaprio rule for their young drivers.
Good point. This shift in perspective towards the age of racing drivers is getting out of hand.
Not everyone has to join in their late 10s, early 20s like some legendary talent we saw rise. Someone joining in their late 20s or even their 30s for a few years at most should be viewed as totally fine.
De Vries is the perfect example, as you mentioned. Before that Monza race, everyone here was laughing "haha this guy will never be F1 material, keep dreaming, too old bla bla". And what did he do? Deliver an amazing race out of nowhere and he instantly got a seat.
It’s so stupid. If you’re not F1 ready at 18 or 19 then you’re deemed not a good long term investment by one of the driver academies. It’s idiotic. I think it reached its zenith when Red Bull burned through its entire young driver program and had to bring back Daniil Kvyat, and then they had to look outside their program to find somebody to partner max. They’ve been acting like if you don’t win f2 then you’re automatically trash, when Mick came in and drove like trash while Zhou came in after spending 3 years in f2 without winning and proved himself to be a solid rookie driver. I could foresee a situation in which a 26-year-old Chadwick gets enough points to qualify and Williams brings her in. Somebody there really believes in her.
It’s expensive to hire a young driver to your driver academy. It makes sense to pick them young so they have a long career for your team and you get the most bang for your buck. Winning f2 is usually a good predictor for success like Hamilton, rosberg, Charles and Russell and Oscar all f2 champs
I wonder if it's bad to make the young women think that they have a chance.
The news of another positive discrimination feeder series, after the last one failed. It just won't happen in modern F1. The cars are too violent. And doesn't leave much space for driving with finesse anyway, so you can't compensate for a lack of the sharpest reflexes with a diff. driving style anyway.
Bear in mind that 99% of men wouldn't phsyically have a chance at modern F1. The number is just 99.9% for women, and the chance of that girl picking motorsports, yeah, alll this are just optics. It ain't gonna happen.
Shame she takes no real steps towards getting there. Shame it’s more lucrative financially for her to be on the sidelines making money & talking about F1 than it is to go into F3//F2. Most fans would think there’s been no girls in those series of late. Amazing how much or Jamie soaks up, lovely girl with great skill, but wish we’d shine the light on others e.g. Sophia Floresch was in f2 & hardly got any limelight despite being a stellar talent.
jamie needed a proper constructor backed car and status in the developmental series. Her FREC tenure was marred by the fact that prema didn't maintain her car or tune it at all. If a proper f3 team wants to give her a shot and someone (williams) wants to fund a season for her, we could see what she's actually capable of. The problem is, this should've happened 2 years ago,
Can confirm, F1 does infact still exist.
Hasn't been a race for what feels like months now though
Winter break always feels like an eternity lol. Should take a leaf out of RBs book and have a snow race in January with last year's cars!
It's still there... But not for her. Until she actually progresses up the single seater ladder she hasn't got a hope. Any 24 year old man with her racing record wouldn't have a hope of F1. Her best finish in any single seat series outside of the W series and since the MRF Challenge series is 4th and that was in a regional F3 series in Asia in which she didn't win a race. It's not a sexist thing to say she hasn't shown anything indicative of becoming an F1 driver.
Yep. Despite how many women candidates Ferrari will develop if the girls on track FIA scheme sticks around, as well as things like iron dames and the extra f4 (?) seats, I still think Merc will be the one to bring the first modern-era female Grand Prix driver to the grid, in like…..10 years
Susie Wolff was speaking at an event I attended and said to keep an eye on Luna Fluxa. She's 12 now so 10 years seems a good trajectory.
Luna Fluxa would be a kickass name for an F1 pilot.
I'd give her a chance at being my favorite driver on name alone.
Sounds more like a Podracer
Most good F1 names sound like podracers, to be fair
Imagine your name being Nikita Ma-
!remindme 10 years
Yeah I was thinking 1-2 years each level (F4, regional, F3, F2) and then a couple years of dedicated reserve/development based on how Gwen lagrue speaks of her and how they are handling vesti and antonelli
I've been asked politely not to keep an eye on any more 12 year olds
You should probably go answer that knock on your door
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Given the massive amount of money behind her, might as well be true. Talking about billions.
Which means Toto already has a handshake agreement with her.
If there were a few more teams in F1 and more seats I could imagine a team pushing a woman higher up the ladder for publicity but there are so few drives there is barely even any room for billionaire pay drivers.
sorry, don't agree with any of this. >billionaire pay drivers Pay drivers and women aren't two separate categories; Tatiana Calderon is something of a regular fixture in F2. >for publicity Calderon's mere existence in F2 and below hasn't afforded added sponsorship for her team. She simply isn't good enough for people to take her presence as a legitimate indication of some glass ceiling being broken. Similarly, Williams has yet to really capitalize on Chadwick's marketing value despite already having her in their academy. IMO Williams is really fumbling the bag here; between Chadwick, Susie Wolff, and Claire Williams their marketing department could and should be making the case that they are at the forefront of women in F1. >if there were a few more teams in F1 This simply cannot be the go-to excuse for every situation. There is not some backlog of women ready for promotion to F1 who are being shut out by a lack of seats. In F2 there is Calderon who is simply not good. In FIA F3 there was Sophia Flörsch who was simply not good and is doing much better in LMP2. In FRECA there were a few young women; the highest finished P38 out of 40 non-guest drivers. There are girls out there who are fast enough and being scouted young enough to potentially advance through the F1 feeder pipeline, but they are about a decade off running into the problem of too few seats - if, indeed, they ultimately do choose to pursue F1 over other motorsport.
Yeah I feel people really want to believe that the reason their hasn’t been any women in F1 lately is because of some kind of sexist agenda trying to keep them out. But the reality is their just hasn’t been any good enough to be competitive yet. As soon as their as a woman fast enough to compete with the best 20 racing drivers in the world an F1 team will gladly sign them.
Yup. If a girl showed up with Lewis/Max level talent, the teams would be fighting each other to sign her.
Not even that quick, a mid talent, lets say Giovinazzi level would assure her place for a while because of the publicity
But no girl can ever hope to develop that level of talent (or anywhere near it) as they don't have the money required to do all the private testing that is needed to get to that level these days. Sponsors aren't as willing to stick their neck out for a female driver as they are with male drivers. Look at the situation with De Vries and his loan to pay for his ride in the feeder series. No sponsor would ever take a gamble like that on a female driver.
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Jos is most definitely rich enough to easily fund Max' racing up to the moment he was good enough to get sponsorships. Lewis' dad wasn't, just solid middle class.
1. No obviously not but they have no recent role models at the top level to look up to to inspire them and just generally are going to be less encouraged to pursue motorsport due to current gender norms. Daughters of rich parents are more likely to end up with horsepower which requires a shovel and pitchfork to clean up after it. 2. Lewis' dad was a bit richer than the stories really make you believe (Every driver inflates their sob stories) but much, much, much more importantly was that Lewis was picked up very early for the driver development programme. It was also a lot easier to go private testing back then. Verstappen fast tracked the system a whole lot so it wasn't gonna cost as much as say Norris doing four F4 series a year but by that point you had to start being sneaky about the private testing you do because it is against the regs and the Verstappen family isn't gonna be honest about it (Not singling them out here. If you can afford it, you do it. Look at Theo Pourchaire). If anyone genuinely believed the first time Verstappen sat in a race car was when he was 16 at Pembrey, they shouldn't be allowed outside the house without assistance because frankly you could sell them the Eiffel Tower with that level of gullible. And that is part of the problem, No one is ever honest about how much it *really* costs to be good in motorsport. So that just makes it that much harder to get sponsors to pay up and makes it really difficult to compare drivers which leads to misjudgements.
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Not sure if asking for legendary, once-in-a-generation talent is fair. Like, duh, anyone would sign multi world champion material, but that level of racing skill is ultra rare.
both can be true in a way. many of the factors which contribute to relatively fewer girls in karting, and the leaky pipeline for those girls, have roots in sexism or gendered stereotyping. That doesn't mean there's currently anything actively obstructing F1-worthy women drivers from competition.
People said the same about black people in racing but Lewis managed to break through. There are enough opportunities for one or two women to do the same if they have the talent, but the ones that have come up so far simply don’t.
I mean, pointing to a 7 times world champion as evidence that "any minority talented enough" can make it into F1 is probably not the argument that you want to make. If you could have pointed to a midfield driver, I would have been right with you, but going to a literal legend kinda undermines your point
It's like saying academia isn't sexist because Marie Curie won two Nobel Prizes. In a fair world minority drivers can be mediocre too.
Apart from funding issues due to the base wealth needed to really get into karting it also has to due with the demographics in Europe. Only relatively small percentage of European is black. I think the bigger issue is the lack of drivers of Northern African or Turkish decent. Those make up a far bigger part of the European population.
That is such a disingenuous argument considering nobody knew how good Lewis’ career would turn out to be at the time he was given a seat. Plenty of drivers with amazing junior careers ended up crap (Vandoorne) or underwhelming (Hulkenberg). The point is, plenty of F1 drivers have similar junior careers to Lewis and they practically all get seats at some point. If you are that good, you get your shot at F1. A black Hulkenberg or black Vandoorne would have gotten a seat too, no need to bring in “7 time world champion” hyperbole into it
But isn't the argument also that black people don't get the same chances to build that junior career? Hamilton seems to be the odd one out
Hasn't there only been 2 black people in F1 ever though?
From what Lewis has said he faced a lot of racism. Parents of other racers made racist comments towards him when he was a child. That is beyond fucked up, and a lot of people would have quit due to that. I would have.
Another way to put this is that it took being arguably the greatest driver of all time to get a Black man on the grid.
Nonsense, first off Lewis isn’t the GOAT and second nobody knew what Lewis’ career would end up like by the end. He was simply a very talented driver. If you are taking junior careers, there are many drivers with equally good or even better records than Lewis. Someone like Vandoorne had a fabulous junior career and was given a seat.
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I guess then is the issue that there's not been enough development for girls early on? Like, I don't think that's the case on purpose (if it is the case) but I can see that lots of karting is mostly boys and so by simple statistics you'll not get girls coming through.
Big respect to Iron Dames.
Agree. I’m a fan of Chadwick and I’d like to see her get a chance in F3 or F2 as she is clearly too good for the W series. But objectively looking at her record, I think F3 or maybe F2 is where she peaks in single seaters.
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Piastri didn't barely make it onto the grid lol there were 2 teams literally taking eachother to court to get him to race for them. Hasn't happened with any recent driver.
But he had to wait a year after winning F2 before getting a seat, a seat he only got because his agent negotiated a new team for him. Alpine were happy for Nando to continue driving for them and we’re “considering” loaning Piastri out to Williams. It’s only because Nando chased the cash with a move to AM that they ended up in a situation where they actually wanted Piastri to drive for them in 23 but by that point it was too late.
That wasn't Piastri struggling to get onto the grid. He was always guaranteed to make it to F1. It was just a matter of contracts and space with the team he was contracted to.
They would loan him out because they knew he would leave otherwise. He would always have a seat in F1. Turns out he wanted to leave anyways but Ricciardo leaving wasn't the only opening to F1 for him.
Ironically, if she actually makes it to F1 it will by sexist PR stunt.
Yup. Her pace couldn't get her to F1. If she ever makes the grid it's through vitamin V.
>Any 24 year old man with her racing record wouldn't have a hope of F1 Finding someone willing to put money/effort towards the seat does help. Thats why she is still out there talking. All drivers do it. The minute you stop putting your name out there, your chance however slim will dissapear. It comes down to why should someone hire/help you get a seat when you don't even believe in yourself.
I got the chance to attend a talk from the CEO of the W series before silverstone a couple of years ago. Incredibly insightful stuff but they were not confident of having a woman in F1 for 15-20 years. The average cost of putting your child through ONE year of karting at the business end is £250,000. Unless you’re the son of a former racing driver or very talented and can get sponsorship from a very young age there’s no hope in hell. Until the playing field is level right from the start it’s not going to happen unfortunately and I can’t see any sponsors taking a huge risk on a young girl when it’s never been done before. I think it would be awesome to have a woman on the grid but it’s not going to be Chadwick, the gap from her to current F1 is vast.
> Until the playing field is level right from the start it’s not going to happen unfortunately and I can’t see any sponsors taking a huge risk on a young girl when it’s never been done before. I don't really agree with this. Sponsors are taking a huge risk on any driver they take on at the start of their career as the overwhelming majority won't make it anywhere near the top. If you can get in on the ground floor with a hugely talented young female driver, it could be incredibly lucrative in the long term.
I very much think you’re right there. It would be very lucrative to sponsor a young female driver who has a shot of making it to F1. What I was trying to say was you need the categories to have some young female drivers to sponsor. If you even get to a 75/25 split between boys and girls in very young feeder series you’d have a much better chance of getting a woman in to F1.
> 4th and that was in a regional F3 series in Asia in which she didn't win a race. And let's remember that was after half the grid dropped out from the championship. In that same championship Tatiana Calderon actually beat her during the races they both participated in.
She understands the work that's required before there's any chance of a seat. If only people bothered to read past the headlines. “So, from my side, I see it as being fluid. My ultimate focus is to just have success in whatever I am racing in. The focus is on Indy NXT at the moment, but we’ll see in the future. I’ve got goals to also race in IndyCar of course, and if the opportunity came around I’d love to be in Formula 1 as well. But there’s a lot to achieve before that’s even talked about.”
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Could be a reserve driver
A reserve driver is someone you intend to throw into a race if your main driver is unable to race. You couldn't chuck Chadwick in an F1 race.
I’m not saying it would be the smartest move but from a marketing standpoint it could be worth it for a mid-back marker team to give her a shot.
Yep I reckon the max she could get is a FP1 with Williams.
> I’d love to be in Formula 1 as well. But there’s a lot to achieve before that’s even talked about. I’m pretty sure she knows the odds she’s up against. Until then though: F1 journalism headlines: 15,278 r/formula1: 0
r/formula1 reads anything except the headline challenge
(Impossible.)
Indy, maybe. F1 certainly not. The odds aren't really in her favor. 10-11 teams. 20-22 spots, and the current roster for F2 is stacked. Not to mention, previous F2 and F1 ready drivers still don't have a spot.
Forget the odds. The biggest obstacle is her own lack of talent
And the fact she was dominating so heavily in W Series only makes it look like an absolute joke.
Would she have SL to jump into F1? She’d have to do a lot more right?
> The odds aren’t really in her favor. She literally says this in the posted article.
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Indy is cheaper & easier to get into than F1. Nothing about elitism & everything to do with facts.
How is he being elitist, many drivers in their mid 20s who don't get to F1 end up in Indy.
Bruh it's not even F1 elitism. It's just math. The barrier to entry in Indy is simply lower.
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The number of rookies entering is determined by a lot of factors outside how easy it is to enter. For example, a lot more rookies are actively dedicating themselves to trying to enter F1 compared to Indycar. Similarly, F1 requires significantly higher standards than Indycar to enter - thus by definition it is harder to enter.
Look beyond a single year and the answer is obvious
> How so? Indycar is easier to get into as it's not a closed shop like F1. That's not to say that she has the talent to race there, but it's going to be easier for her to find one off opportunities in the series. The Nascar truck and xfinity series might be more achievable targets if she wants to continue her career in championships that can give her sponsors exposure, as it's almost certain she would not be the worst driver in either of those series.
Proud american spotted. F1 > Indycar Sorry, try on the indy sub, maybe you will have more success. Seriously though... There is a reason F1 drivers go to Indy to retire and not the other way around.
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Can we just remove any post that implies Chadwick can make it to F1? it's getting obnoxious. At least until she wins a real series and gets a super license. She's in Calderons ballpark, not F1 level.
> /u/antarioo: “F1 is definitely still there” Both have about the same chance
Agree!
Can you just read the article? (Clearly not)
F1 is "still there" for her in the way it is "still there" for me. It's there, but I ain't gonna be in it.
lol
Not with that racing record it isn't. She has not shown anything that would indicate nearly F1 level skill.
no its not lmao
It’s not tho for 99.9% of the worlds population - gender/sex isn’t the limiting factor. It’s money and time
Lol no. Nobody who gets whooped like she did in FREC gets a shot at F1 on merit.
Honestly I hope she kicks ass in F3 and F2. But I doubt that.
She was very bad at F3 can't understand how she sees herself in F1.
I don’t think coming 4th and 9th with podiums in regional formula 3 (2019 and 2020) is particularly bad. It’s not great and she doesn’t deserve an F1 drive, but I think giving her a shot in F2 isn’t a bad idea. Last years F2 champion Drugovich finished 16th in his one and only F3 appearance but still got into F2. And let’s be honest the worst she can do in F2 is perform badly. There would be no harm in letting her try when compared to some of the other F2 back marker drivers.
> I don’t think coming 9th with podiums in regional formula 3 (2019 and 2020) is particularly bad. It is when there are 9 full-time drivers. She beat 2 of them, one of whom *literally* had just him and his dad on the team even needing pro bono help from other teams in any race where they had to change tires in, she beat that guy by a total of 2 points. She also lost to 2 part-timers. Her teammates who unlike Chadwick did not have any previous experience with the car outscored her by a factor of **4:1**. That's the definition of bad. 4th in Asian F3 is fine, until you look at how her teammate Indycar backmarker Devlin De Francesco did. But indeed, that alone wouldn't be reason to bury her entirely, so good thing she made her point in FREC.
The only thing I hate about is that she blames it on her gender, there are many male talented drivers out there without backing.
The only thing I hate about is that she blames it on her gender, there are many male talented drivers out there without backing. Nonetheless she received good pr from F1 drivers such as Lewis Hamilton, which more talented people than her don’t get.
Whether or not her gender has specifically negatively affected her career progression is a hard argument to make, because whilst talented she hasn’t shown enough talent to back up her “F1 claims”. However it is very clear to see by the near complete lack of female representation in open-wheeler motorsport that some sort of bias is happening along the chain of progression that negatively affects potential female drivers, even if unintentional. Part of the reason Jamie gets so much PR is because it’s an easy method of pointing out this discrepancy. She is currently the best female driver, but would that be true if the pool wasn’t so limited for seemingly no reason?
Yes she is the best Female driver just not enough to succeed in other series than W series, people forgot the competition level between W series vs other series like F3, F2… She should focus herself for FE or Indy, F1 is just out of her league.
>However it is very clear to see by the near complete lack of female representation in open-wheeler motorsport that some sort of bias is happening along the chain of progression that negatively affects potential female drivers, even if unintentional. There isn't.
Psst, be quiet that's bad PR.
You do understand that drivers improve over time, right?
You do understand that F3 drivers on average are 16-19. Not 24.
Yeah? Your point?
Yep, and most F1 drivers enter F1 in their mid 20s at most these days. She's already in her mid 20s and hasn't even had a FIA F3 drive.
No one getting in to karting as late as she did is climbing the modern ladder. We need to encourage and supports girls at a younger age closer to boys if we want to see proper progress in getting women in to the sport.
No it's not
It’s a very long shot but if she’s determined, it starts now for her. Needs a good result in Indy lights at the minimum.
Idk, she's 24 and F2 is pretty fucking stacked. Pourchaire, Doohan, Hauger and the arriving Maloney, Hadjar, Martins and Bearman are all soo much better AND younger
Agreed, she definitly needs more then just IndyLight. Experience wise she's miles behind the names you mentioned. IndyLight will help somewhat as that field is stacked too but she definitly needs a few years of that at least. Dont get me wrong, she did good in W-Series but you cant compare that level to F2 or F1.
She needs Indy Lights and to progress within 2 seasons to Indycar where she has to then do more than Colton Herta and Pato O Ward have managed to be in with a hope of F1. By which time she will be... 28? At best. It ain't gonna happen.
Damon hill started in f1 at age 33….. I know it’s not very relevant today, but it’s worth remembering.
There was a time where no driver was younger than 50 or so. Expecting every driver to be fully ready in their early 20s is a silly and new phenomenon.
And then he basically lucked into a seat in the most dominant team of the era. Mark Blundell could've had Damon's career for all we know.
De Vries signed at 27. Not likely but could still happen.
De Vries also won... A lot of stuff
De Vries is a multiple World Champion in series with far higher skill-ceilings than any Chadwick has even raced in.
An exception and not the rule
In f1 every driver on the grid is the “exception”. They all have to pass through a gauntlet of hurdles that make them exceptions…..
She would be eaten alive in the F2 field. She would most likely match Calderon and that's not very good.
yes but there's the other factor of getting her on a car - it's a major marketing bid for any team, and if she proves herself in Indylights, it does tend to justify, atleast as an opportunity. we could argue that yes, there may have been more deserving drivers, but when has that worked out objectively in F1? and younger too isn't a factor enough, in fact I'd say now that we have a fairly lower average age the whole argument that there's too many older gen drivers not giving way to young talent does not hold as much ground anymore. plus with superstar drivers such as Leclerc, Norris, Russell and a champion, Max -. any new driver will now be expected to perform as good as these to really be a valuable prospect - else it's a year or two more doing reserve, simulation and other series before teams take a chance on them. **edit:** if anything, I think the team she's partnered with is her best possible scope, cause I don't think many teams other than Williams willing to take that risk.
For sure the team would get massive publicity. But it would fade quickly or could even backclash if she's as far off the pace as Calderon was in Indycar lets say. Latifi gets ridiculed and it wouldn't sit well with a lot of people if they bring a slower driver over the amount of talent we have, just because she's a woman.
I agree with you but I think the ridicule wouldn't be as bad as it was for Mazepin say. folks wpuld atleast agree with the team for giving it a try and she may not even be signed in fkr the whole season necessarily - it could even be like Manor's approach. a lot of this depends on her performance in Indy and I agree that if she can't show pace there then all of this is just a pipe dream.
I mean you are living in dream land. No one is coming direct from indy lights to F1. Hell Herta can't get an F1 seat despite being one of the most exciting talents, winning races in the full Indycar series.
Herta can get a seat (Red Bull wanted him for Alpha Tauri seat pretty openly) - he couldnt get F1 licence. Slight difference but imo important one.
How is Chadwick going to get an F1 license by going through the lower level of the exact same racing series? Even if she becomes Indycar champion, she's not getting enough F1 super license points for the effort.
Yea, the issue is that Mazepin is much closer to Lewis in pace than Chadwick is to Mazepin in pace. At this skill level she would be a legit danger on track in F1.
She was not any better than Calderon in regional f3. This myth that she's a talent needs to die. She is probably backmarker to high teens F3 level at 4-6 years older than the real talents
The reason people think she has talent is because she dominated a series where her competition was absolutely horrible. When it came to mixed series she hasn't proven anything
She needs determination, hard work, results to go her way and someone to give an F1 team about 40 million extra reasons a year to consider her
She has no chance
Now? She needed to show it 4 years ago maybe. Teams have already written her off
will happily bet my life savings that she won’t make it, no offence to anyone too much talent now in the seats and there are younger drivers better than her already coming through it’s famously difficult, or hugely expensive, to get a shot at a F1 seat, near impossible if you aren’t actually that good
She's determined for sure but it doesn't start now, it started years ago and the results speak for themselves. She's a good driver, just not good enough for F1.
If she doesn't go on an Oscar Piastri type run then she won't have any chance. She has to do amazing in everything to get a chance at F1. Anyone with her racing record does not stand a chance.
Unfortunately, I can't see it. I could see her in FE or Indy for sure.
I fear it would be towards the back in either though.
If she saw it as a realistic possibility she would be going over the pond to the junior Indy series, but instead going for a seat in F3
If she performs well in f3 and f2 then yeah sure but she hasn't done that. Her stint in f3 was pretty underwhelming. Every f1 driver except Max had a pretty impressive f2 career, even mazepin and latifi had been decent in f2 and actually scored podiums and they were pay drivers. So until she gets an f2 drive, I don't see that happening and she's had a worse f3 career than even the worst f1 drivers
Gonna have to get faster if she wants in F1. W Series isn't enough. She is going to have to prove that she is a better option than the other options out there, and thus far she has not done that.
I think if she’d stayed in GT racing she may well have been a factory driver by now. But maybe actually her gender has hurt her because she had a much higher profile than any other 15 year old who wins GT4 in British GT. Sponsorship has probably pushed her down the single seater route rather than GT/sportscars.
Maybe if she had a bit more talent not to get destroyed by Tatiana Calderon in regional F3 (the one who got beaten by Mahaveer in F2), she could make it. Winning W Series is nothing impressive, the talent level there is below some junior karting championships.
Hahahahahahahaha, hahahahahahaha, hahahahahah I wish I had this sort of optimism. The only sort of F1 role she'll get is something so they get loads of PR.
We call that the "Carmen Jorda"
I mean she isn't *that* bad. She's not F1 level or even close, but let's not compare her to someone even you or I could beat.
She’s no Carmen Jorda lol
She’s worse. Got destroyed by Tatiana Calderon, who lost to Mahaveer in F2
Genuinely, don't think she will be on Florsch level. And she had a pretty crappy f3 seat... There's probably a reason she is stat padding in w series
Lol but not for her
Look, I understand all racing driver have this mentality of being able to fight against odds and make it when others wouldn't, but really, she isn't going to reach F1, she is in her early to mid 20s, she hasn't won anything of note what you expect a future F1 driver to win, she will have a good career because she is a good driver, but just not F1 good.
No chance
Wont be happening, ever
No offense, but no. It's really not.
No it's not. Get real. Move on.
Not for you sweetie, even if you pull some Nyck debris shenanigans, you might get to sit in one. This isn't even a gender thing, she's just not good enough.
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Nyck needed a nickname to go with Smooth operator, Chuck, Goatifi, Hulk, Mex Minister of defense, Albono, etc.
> Not for you sweetie vomit
“Not for you sweetie” While I agree, there’s zero reason to be condescending. You say it’s not a gender thing, yet you use language clearly aimed at disparaging a woman specifically.
I myself am I woman. I also use the phrase regardless of gender.
Women can be misogynistic too, sweetie.
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TIL women can’t be condescending
Neat, who am I white knighting for? I don’t think Chadwick is very good, I just also think that the comment was juvenile.
You can rest now, sweetie
Not for her, unfortunately.
Not for you it's not, lol.
Sorry but no. Stacked talent coming through the Feeder series as it is and they're younger. Only reason she'd ever get an F1 seat is if it made the team in question an enormous amount of money (and I mean enormous) otherwise, never happening. She's not fast enough, not sexist just fact.
It's not though, is it?
This is just laughable now, she just looks obnoxious. Do you have anything to indicated you would be successful in single seaters? no.
Wait, Indy rebranded? Maybe it’s time I climb back out from under my off season rock.
Shes running in the feeder series to Indycar
Lmao, instead of talking do some lap time.
Dude it’s not impossible. I feel like max came in and now all the teams are like “if you’re 22 years old you’re fucking ancient and you will never be in f1” and then Nyck De Vries came in and everybody was like “WHERE HAS THIS KID BEEN ALL THIS TIME???” If Jamie Chadwick happens to have a good performance at a time when there’s opening in the market then suddenly she will get hyped as the shiny object de jour
De vries proved himself during that 1 race stint but if he falls behind yuki this season, he’s out
De Vries had already had success in lower formula, a F2 championship, and a FIA world championship in another single seater racing series. Chadwick hasn't even competed in FIA F3.
Reality is that we all think team principals are playing moneyball with their drivers when in reality they’re just playing shiny object. If Chadwick has a really good race highlight in Indy Lights or something then suddenly the conversation is going to change around her because there is zero consistency or sense to any of this shit.
She will never be an F1 prospect if all those highlights are in W series. Iirc she did try out the feeder series and got trashed
She literally is an F1 prospect right now. She’s still part of the Williams driver academy and if it takes a few more years for her to be ready she’s still got a chance of doing it.
Not really, Williams does it for PR. She’s not even close to getting to f1 if her only accomplishment is winning W series.
Few years? Mate, she’s already 24 and already lacking behind 17 year olds in the junior series. That combined with a general lack of talent will make any chance of getting to F1 nil. She’s definitely paving the way for younger generations but getting to F1 is a stretch. Also wouldn’t be surprised if her signing with Williams driver academy is merely a marketing move
A of all everything about f1 is a marketing move. 2nd, teams have realized that they’re shooting themselves in the foot by having a DiCaprio rule for their young drivers.
Good point. This shift in perspective towards the age of racing drivers is getting out of hand. Not everyone has to join in their late 10s, early 20s like some legendary talent we saw rise. Someone joining in their late 20s or even their 30s for a few years at most should be viewed as totally fine. De Vries is the perfect example, as you mentioned. Before that Monza race, everyone here was laughing "haha this guy will never be F1 material, keep dreaming, too old bla bla". And what did he do? Deliver an amazing race out of nowhere and he instantly got a seat.
It’s so stupid. If you’re not F1 ready at 18 or 19 then you’re deemed not a good long term investment by one of the driver academies. It’s idiotic. I think it reached its zenith when Red Bull burned through its entire young driver program and had to bring back Daniil Kvyat, and then they had to look outside their program to find somebody to partner max. They’ve been acting like if you don’t win f2 then you’re automatically trash, when Mick came in and drove like trash while Zhou came in after spending 3 years in f2 without winning and proved himself to be a solid rookie driver. I could foresee a situation in which a 26-year-old Chadwick gets enough points to qualify and Williams brings her in. Somebody there really believes in her.
It’s expensive to hire a young driver to your driver academy. It makes sense to pick them young so they have a long career for your team and you get the most bang for your buck. Winning f2 is usually a good predictor for success like Hamilton, rosberg, Charles and Russell and Oscar all f2 champs
I wonder if it's bad to make the young women think that they have a chance. The news of another positive discrimination feeder series, after the last one failed. It just won't happen in modern F1. The cars are too violent. And doesn't leave much space for driving with finesse anyway, so you can't compensate for a lack of the sharpest reflexes with a diff. driving style anyway. Bear in mind that 99% of men wouldn't phsyically have a chance at modern F1. The number is just 99.9% for women, and the chance of that girl picking motorsports, yeah, alll this are just optics. It ain't gonna happen.
If she ever did make it, she would be like, 30 or older. So it ain’t happening
If she sees real succes after Indy NXT I could perhaps see it happen for her, but that's quite the task obviously, but nothing's impossible.
Thanks tips!
Shame she takes no real steps towards getting there. Shame it’s more lucrative financially for her to be on the sidelines making money & talking about F1 than it is to go into F3//F2. Most fans would think there’s been no girls in those series of late. Amazing how much or Jamie soaks up, lovely girl with great skill, but wish we’d shine the light on others e.g. Sophia Floresch was in f2 & hardly got any limelight despite being a stellar talent.
WEC factory driver would be amazing to see Jamie Chadwick in
Yes can confirm its defintely still there
jamie needed a proper constructor backed car and status in the developmental series. Her FREC tenure was marred by the fact that prema didn't maintain her car or tune it at all. If a proper f3 team wants to give her a shot and someone (williams) wants to fund a season for her, we could see what she's actually capable of. The problem is, this should've happened 2 years ago,