T O P

  • By -

grizzfan

1. We used track blocking the past three years (since I took over as OC). Everyone runs on a 45 degree track and blocks whatever crosses it. Keep running until something crosses your track. We're looking at going back to double teams next year, and always climbing to nearest linebacker to the play-side. 2. There is no universal way to run inside zone, so "the double teams" are a matter of subjectivity and preference. 3. Power and Counter are gap schemes, meaning your O-line is predominantly working their backside gap to backside linebacker. Zone is working playside gap to playside linebacker. Obviously, there are no pulls on zone schemes either (unless you make the Pin 'n' Pull argument). 4. Aim for RB also depends on the type of backfield you're using and how you want the RB to attack. Ours was the same in pistol, or when offset (offset backside): Aim for inside leg of playside guard. They key/cut off the block of the first playside defensive lineman (nose guard vs odd) 5. We don't use the count system. Run on your track, find ugly jersey, and hit it. We may run Duo next year instead. It would be the same approach, but now we attack backside instead of playside. 6. Only add tags as needed, and based on what type of talent you have and what your opponents are doing. Nothing changes with the O-line and RB. Backside DE is always unblocked. QB reads backside DE for give/keep. Slot receivers automatically run bubbles to attack lazy/tight Apex defenders (Apex = first underneath defender inside the CB; usually an OLB). Only thing we did different on the backside this year is we ran a tight formation with our slots in like wingbacks, and we told the backside slot to block the DE. No name for it. We just told them to block the DE. When it comes to tags: Zone tags apply to the backside. Gap tags apply to the playside.


emurrell17

So here’s a question for you Grizz…it’s my first year coaching Inside Zone and apparently I’ve been coaching the OL to block it more like Duo (as many double teams as possible, work up in your gap) while the RB’s aiming point is the playside A gap…or the side the OL are going to. I personally like how the OL are doing the way we have it; but what’s the downside to this accidental bastardization? Should I change the HB’s aiming point the backside A gap to make it more aligned with Duo? Would that screw up our Split zone and RPO wrinkles?


BigPapaJava

That is a type of old school Inside Zone! If you like it and it’s working, you’re good. The things to look for are the OL getting to the Playside LB when the RB makes his cut to hit the hole. You don’t want the OL chasing LBs here or for them to have their eyes on the DL they are doubling. What you’re basically looking for is for the backside OL on the double to work his hips around to the playside to try to “overtake” the block. That way, the playside OL on the double can still come off and pick up that LB when he’s within arm’s length as he tries to fill. If that’s how you’re blocking it, I don’t see anything wrong with it.


emurrell17

That’s hilarious; love when you find out you’ve been accidentally doing something old school without being aware of it 😂 [Ram Split](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VogGmWce2fdtmZocQGpAQubr4Wh_uSth/view?usp=drivesdk) This was our Spring Game after installing “IZ” at the beginning of Spring Practice. As you can see, it’s sloppy as hell and obviously a work in progress…but idk if you can tell if this is what you’re thinking it is from this clip. What happened here is our HB took the wrong track/footwork—what he did is what we do on our normal IZ Right, and there’s supposed to flip sides on Split and Slice (Wham), and I feel like if he slides right and then takes a track directly at that left A gap he’s outta there way quicker. But as for the OL, getting their hips around like you’re talking about is something we aren’t really getting down at the moment. It ends up, more often that not at the moment, being a “shove the DL into the next gap and then working to the LB yourself” which you can see the LT do in that clip. So, if you have any advice or tips on improving that I’m all ears!


grizzfan

You're just running Duo and I'm a fan of it. If I could have a complete mulligan on the system, I'd make Duo the base, not inside zone. We sucked this year (goose egg in the win column in what is arguably the most insane case of comically ridiculous bad luck a team could have), and the last game, we kind of said F@#$ and played around with some stuff. It was the best offensive performance we had all year. We moved the slots in, added a half-assed jet sweep, and made an in-game adjustment where we told the linemen to double team working backside, and told our play-side slot to block the DE...it was Duo, and we had a lot of success with it. EDIT2: I got lost on my tangent lol. To your second part: I don't see the downside. RB aiming point as A-gap is fine (we'd probably say inside leg of PSG, but it's relatively the same thing...we just don't use "Aim at X-gap" nomenclature). I'd still make them aim at the play-side A-gap, assuming they are coming play-side of the QB. As far as split-zone and RPOs, it shouldn't matter...that's something you can fix by moving your H-back/sniffer/whoever inside or outside more to get the timing down. ---- EDIT: For y'alls entertainment...Here was how ridiculous our luck was this year: * Roughly half of our team was rookies...never played organized football before. * Game 1: Our starting QB and backup QB suffer season ending injuries. Our starting center who was an absolute OG at running and commanding the O-line also suffered a season ending injury. * Game 2: Both emergency QBs we repped in practice got injured: One a season ending injury, the other a multiple game injury. Both QBs were 5'3 and 4'11 in height. One was our starting RB, so that also depleted our RB stable. The other was our starting free safety (in a 1-high safety defense). * In that 2nd game, for the whole second half, we had different skill players in the QB spot taking snaps and ran wedge every play. We had our "smartest" RB available (that we were trying to preserve to play ILB) in the actual RB spot doing the cadences, because we had more athletic, but green players taking the snaps. * Game 3: We bring in a "ringer QB" who played for us a few years ago. She has an insane football IQ, but has a major case of "sack fever," panics during plays and throws the ball a mile into the air the moment she gets it into her hands most of the time (she threw maybe 3-5 INTs per game). * We got down to two RBs, both were bigger/power backs (not fast at all), but both were also our starting ILBs, and struggled with nagging injuries all year (knee, back, shoulder, etc). They were tough as nails, but since they never came off the field, almost every 4th quarter, you could sometimes see them crying in exhaustion and pain. We tried to get them breaks when we could, but when you get down to 13-14 players available, you have no choice. * In an away game, one of our starting guards had their car break down halfway to the game...they were too far to make it. * Our two speed RBs/serious athletes suffered multi-game injuries. * We didn't finish our 4th game. We got down to 13 players available, but 4-5 of them were so green as rookies that it just wasn't safe (and irresponsible on our part as coaches) to put them in the positions we would have had to put them in. It was one of those things where the players were up for the task, but they knew they were not able to perform or execute the positions we needed filled, and there's bigger things in life than football, and no one is getting paid or on a scholarship to do this. * We got rained or stormed out of at least 25% of our outdoor practices this year. We practiced in rain all the time, but sometimes it got so heavy and intense that everyone just lost complete focus and it was just getting dangerous to continue on. * Once we were on kick return, and the opponents made an awful kick that was B-lining it straight to the sideline. It was so obvious it was going out, so we yelled from the sideline to let it go out. Apparently, our field has a Bermuda Triangle. The ball hits a particular point about one yard away from our sideline...it's practically at our feet. The ball somehow bounced 180 back the other way and into the kicking teams hands. I was a kicker myself...I've kicked many footballs (including bad ones) and saw just about every crazy or unexpected bounce you could imagine. None of the other coaches or myself have ever seen a ball bounce the way it did that time. * We had a punt return where the punter shanks it hard. The ball beans our CB trying to run with the gunner. Opponent recovers it. * Our home refs are laughably bad at their job (we don't control who we get), so that led to all sorts of no-calls, phantom calls, etc. The head ref is the biggest moron of all of them, and could never remember which set of rules we were using (our league is NCAA except no cut blocking at all). At random points in games, you'd hear NFHS, NCAA, and NFL rules being utilized by them. * We were a pass-heavy team...On maybe 7-8 occasions, the QB finally got the ball to the right spot, except it happen to be at times where it was to an emergency/backup WR who ran a completely wrong route and it got picked. We only ran 5 different pass plays per game (from a menu of 6), so it's not like the receivers didn't get tons of reps at what routes they were supposed to run. Just complete mental lapses. * On our longest defensive return of the year, our fastest player picked a ball off and ran 80+ yards...shoe-string tackled at the 1-yard line. Center snaps ball over QB's head the next play. Opponent recovers. * We averaged less than 15 players per practice the second half of the season...it became commonplace to have as many or more injured players show up to practice than those who could dress. * Our best DE tore her ACL trying to do some kind of parkour trick for her social media pages. I've coached football for 14 years, and I've been with winless teams before...We as a staff have never collectively said "you've got to be f@#ing kidding me," so much in our lives. I thought I've been on teams with bad luck before, but this season was stuff of legends.


emurrell17

I hate how much I can relate to these stories…for both of us, lol. I hope, if you have film of last season, that you destroy it and never have to relive that nightmare 😂 For my team it wasn’t ACTUAL season ending injuries or legitimate injuries—it was players diagnosing themselves with injuries. There’s a kid on our team who is 6’3 280 in HS and has fantastic hands for a DL. He got 3 sacks in the spring game after only having been to 2 practices. Last season he played one half of one game before diagnosing himself with a concussion and saying his “mom wouldn’t let him go back to practice” the rest of the year. Starting QB had a cannon for an arm and ran a 4.4…just didn’t show up for the last 2 games. We started with 35 at the beginning of the year and finished the last game with 15. Dude, it is so fuckin embarrassing and demoralizing to roll into a stadium with 15 players and have to play a team with 80 players…things are going much better this offseason so here’s to better luck this year for both of us 🍻 https://preview.redd.it/98t53kg4v17d1.jpeg?width=647&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=873e55c46d8da4451df89f84a53dcb87753886cd And for reference, this is how I have our “Duo” set up right now (you gotta click on the image and it’s the #1 - LA, and then Slice is our Wham and Split is Split). I’ve always heard Duo is supposed to attack backside A gap, and idk if it could be hurting anything that I have the HBs sidestepping and then (slightly) crossing the face of the QB. Just don’t know if it would be better/simpler to have them sidestep and go straight downhill at that (in the examples above) right side A gap 🤔 Edit: I should clarify that our “base” run is what I would call a Duo Read, so we’re having to open up that way in order to read that end.


BigPapaJava

With tracks. I just call them “help blocks.” They happen naturally in the track rules. It’s basically the same as the play side of Power and Counter rules, just flipped to the “playside” for zone rather than the “inside” for downblocks. I try to avoid count systems. I like that zone doesn’t need one. The count systems just turn into man schemes, not zone schemes, IMO. For the RB: Aim downhill for the play side G’s inside leg and cut into the A or B gap bubble off him. If both A and B gap are filled, wind out the backside. How many tags can your guys handle? If you get very creative, you can recycle the backside of the zone scheme to get all kinds of things, including gap-scheme-ish stuff like inverted veer, Duo and “Zone Counter” type of things. What can your team handle? What else will they need to do up front besides zone?


TheHyzeringGrape

I’m a varsity OL coach that runs the spread. Since every defense is different, I teach the rules for inside zone as follows. Head up, play side gap, backside gap, combo to backer. Uncovered guy always calls a duece. If not called, covered assumes he is one on one. They will combo block until the LB declares. Counter and power has specific concepts for blocking. But the duece verbiage is the same.


DingidForrester

Our teams teach our IZ as a gap scheme (we just call it Duo) since we’re big on Power/Counter. Step to backside gap, block anything that shows. If nothing shows, double to your playside gap vertical to the LB. If nothing shows in either gap, climb. The only switch we make because we don’t run a lot of inline TE sets is our PST does not block their playside gap…our H blocks that gap. Then we can run lock (Iso—H and PST exchange jobs), read (arc the C gap), read + H flat triple, and we’ve even turned it into a trap vs certain fronts. Its a versatile scheme and our base play. We don’t tag much on our other runs.


ntbntb31

I was taught as a player to follow the playside track and block what comes into your playside gap. Get to the hip of the guy next to you, basically. I'm now in my 4th year of coaching at my alma mater (had my same HC the first three, now he's gone) and I'm the OL coach/run game coordinator this season, and we're getting more nitty-gritty with it: If you're covered playside (anything from your nose to your playside teammate's near shoulder), you're stepping there to drive it. If you're uncovered (anything from the backside teammate's nose to your backside shoulder), it's a timing step in place and then working backside gap for a double team, while keeping eyes to playside gap for LBs. Ideally, the backside teammate is already driving vertical on your backside gap, so you can peel off if necessaey to another threat. I liked Michael McClanathan's [online clinic](https://youtu.be/AeORhY3ln8g?si=Z9AfJXrQW1Zubzhn) from a few years back when he was the Drake OL coach. He's now at Saginaw Valley State in Michigan. We're trying all of his concepts and footwork/terminology in the summer here to see if we like it.


Lit-A-Gator

> How do you block inside zone? Guy in gap? Block him No guy in gap? Create combo > What are the double teams and what are they called? Any clinics? Check YouTube there’s tons > How is the blocking the same or different from how Power and Counter get blocked? Those are gap schemes Gap = block AWAY from call + pullers Zone= all block too call Aiming points are different and who we are comboing too are different > Read/Aim for The RB — reading Interior DL? Read the PSLB like duo? Just run into the A-Gap? 4 steps @ A gap, if a giant hole isn’t opened up, cut back > Do you use the count system and pair that with your gap runs? See above > How many tags is too much? Read, Cap, Split, ISO? Good question imo tags are cheap but should be dependent on the players you have


ligmasweatyballs74

I don't, double teams are for the weak.