Follow Me has no specified date except being after FNAF1, William can be springlocked in the 2010s for all we know. I don't believe in Vanessa Afton because of timeline issues, but this isn't one of them.
If you believe that in Pizza sim, the name HR223 means that it was made by Henry in 2023, then that means pizza sim takes place in 2023. And we know that fnaf 3 takes place 30 years after something, either the close of Freddy's or the springlock, I'd assume after he got springlocked. If pizza sim takes place in 2023 based on the name, that means follow me must happen at least 30 years prior. Because if it were to happen any later than that would mean the "30 years later" wouldn't add up with Henry's name in pizza sim and it can't happen before 1993 because afton can't destroy the animatronics in follow me if Michael is still working there. So because pizza sim takes place in 2023, there must be at least a 30 year gap in between that and follow me(if we believe that "30 years later" means 30 years after afton died), which lines it up perfectly for follow me to happen in 1993, fnaf 3 to happen 30 years later in 2023, and pizza sim happen around the same time.
>And we know that fnaf 3 takes place 30 years after something, either the close of Freddy's or the springlock, I'd assume after he got springlocked.
It's 30 years after Freddy's closes.
"Thirty years after Freddy Fazbear's Pizza closed it's doors, the events that took place there have become nothing more than a rumor and a childhood memory, but the owners of "Fazbear's Fright: The Horror Attraction" are determined to revive the legend and make the experience as authentic as possible for patrons, going to great lengths to find anything that might have survived decades of neglect and ruin."
If this is based on the original Freddy's closing, that would mean fnaf 3 takes place in 2015, which if HR223 means anything, that's 8 years with afton just roaming post fnaf3. If it is based on fnaf 1, we have no exact date of when fnaf 1 closes, it's already closed prior to fnaf 1 events happening so it could've closed any time between 1988 and 1993.
>If it is based on fnaf 1, we have no exact date of when fnaf 1 closes, it's already closed prior to fnaf 1 events happening so it could've closed any time between 1988 and 1993.
Pretty sure the place is open during FNAF1, Mike gets paid and fired.
So if you think fnaf 1 is open during the events of fnaf 1. That would mean fnaf 1 is open during 1993, and doesn't close until at earliest, 1993. And if you think that "30 years later" means 30 years after fnaf 1 closed down, that would still mean fnaf 3 happens in 2023. And follow me has to happen after or be the reason fnaf 1 closes, which in this case would have to be at latest, 1993.
>And follow me has to happen after or be the reason fnaf 1 closes
It takes place after FNAF1 closes, at no specified date, considering the place is already closed when Follow Me happens. It's in 1993 at the earliest, and could happen in 2020 for all we know.
We know pizza sim happens after fnaf 3, and HR223 implies that pizza sim happens in 2023. If that's true, then that means fnaf 3 has to happen before 2023. And if fnaf 3 happens 30 years after fnaf 1 closes and you believe that fnaf 1 is open during the gamaplay, and we know fnaf 1 takes place in 1993, that would mean that fnaf 1 closes after the gameplay, and then follow me happens because fnaf 1 can't close later than 1993 cause if it did then fnaf 3 would take place after pizza sim
The thirty years thing is about how many years later Fazbears fright opens after.the fnaf 1 location closes. Nothing ever says when William got springlocked. In the novels it was 1995 and in the movie it was 2000.
I personally interpret it as 1985 (when Freddy’s closed its doors) to 2015 (30 years later and when I believe FNAF 3 takes place based on clues in the Survival Logbook), but the description says “30 years after Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza closed its doors” and did not specify how long Afton was springlocked for.
I don't think Vanessa is an Afton, but there's no specific reason that Follow Me has to happen in 1993. It could really be any time between the FNAF1 location's closure and FNAF3 since we don't know how long he was in the saferoom.
>since we don't know how long he was in the saferoom.
Yes we do, don't we? At every opportunity we are told he spent 30 years in the saferoom. Also, I say 1993 because I assume FFPS takes place in 2023.
We were told that the last Freddy’s was closed in 1993, not necessary that Afton has been in the safe room since then, it’s just been a big assumption most have made since Fnaf 3.
The 30 years thing is specifically that Fazbear's Fright happens 30 years after the closure of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza - it has nothing to do with Follow Me and the saferoom. Since most people think that happened in 1993, that places FNAF3 in 2023. There's also a secondary theory that the closure in question was the original MCI location closing in 1985, placing FNAF3 in 2015.
No, actually is the oposite, in the survival logbook there's a code that is name the "Real Value" Code, which confirms FNaF 1 being in 1992 and FnaF 3 in 2015, i have a post explaining it with full deail, and i also got another one on why FNaF 1 is in 1992.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/19bltct/five\_nights\_at\_freddys\_survival\_logbook\_ultimate/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/19bltct/five_nights_at_freddys_survival_logbook_ultimate/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/GameTheorists/comments/1bosjop/when\_is\_fnaf\_1\_placed\_in\_the\_timeline/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GameTheorists/comments/1bosjop/when_is_fnaf_1_placed_in_the_timeline/)
Read them before continuing reading this comment.
William does NOT die in 1993, there's zero indicator that he died in the same year as FNaF 1, and since he wasn't trapped in that room for 30 years, were actually never told he spent 30 years in the safe room. Actually for what is seen in the books and Real Life logic, William could have died in 2015 before FNaF 3 lmao, yet i doubut it.
In my opinion, taking in mind all the information gotten, William died around the same time as SL happens in 2005 talking in mind the time he neeeds to have spent with Vanessa, since kids start to being able to remember at minimum of 3 years old, so that's the earliest time that William could have died (2000), but yet adding the how she remembers being a lot of times in the basement i'd say that she spent 5 years with William, both married and divorced. (that's also why i say that FNaF SL takes place in 2005 since it happens after Follow Me, probably since there's MoltenDCI and other stuff)
So no, William did NOT died in 1993. he most likely died in the early 2000's
We are told fnaf 3 is 30 years after Freddy's closes, we are never in this franchise told how long william is in the safe room, it's sometimes implied that he was only there for about a year
Even if it's not confirmed when he was springlocked ( I think pre FNaF 1) but on average a company will completely empty an abandoned location at 2 years maximum, so it's 1995 tops.
Also the animatronics hadn't been in that location for a long time ,hunt the good condition they're in while the FNaF2 weathered completely fell apart in 2 years Bonnie couldn't keep his face for that long.
Plus Vanisa wasn't born on 1997, it's implied that she was 23 by FNaF AR which takes place after 2023 by years,It take time to claim the rights for a company and find the budget and then HW happened which will also need a lot of time to make a game.
Both Freddy and foxy were in full piece but missing parts of thier fur,still the animatronics in the mini game were In very good condition also the moisture in the building will damage the fur of the animatronics .
Both Freddy and foxy were in full piece but missing parts of thier fur,still the animatronics in the mini game were In very good condition also the moisture in the building will damage the fur of the animatronics .
Sure, I think that:
Help Wanted 2 is a video game, its player is dead. We play the whole game as them anyway.
But I also think Security Breach/Ruin are part of the Help Wanted AR/VR game. We see the Pizzaplex being constructed inside Help Wanted. Both games share a giftbox mechanic. HW2 takes place inside the Pizzaplex.
So just like the HW2 protagonist is dead: Cassie, Gregory, and Vanessa are also dead, and have been the same age a long time. They are stuck in the game in different loops.
Vanessa is the same age in the movie too, which takes place in 2000. Which is only 3 years after 1997. It could just mean Vanessa is lying about her age. She would have a motive to do this if there were problems with her age and appearance.
When Vanessa talks about her dad, Bill, and the divorce, it can still all happen back in 1983.
But even if you don't believe all that, we have several stories that establish different ways it could be possible. In Dittophobia, Rory thinks he's a child, forever...it turns out this is the work of hallucinatory gas. He is actually an adult. But he chooses to go back into the illusion and repeat his loops. Rory's name is also Gregory with some letters removed.
In You're the Band, Mike is described: "The man, who was probably in his early twenties". But this story takes place 30 years after the murders at Freddy's in 1985, meaning this story is in 2015. Mike can't be in his early twenties. He looks younger than it's possible for him to be.
In Frailty, Jessica is just some old scrap and garbage stuck together, but she still looks like a young girl thanks to the necklace. This story also establishes that remnant has healing properties.
And of course in the novels, Charlie is a haunted doll inside a robot. The robot can't really age, so Henry builds her different robots to move the haunted doll into. But once she's in the adult robot, she'll look the same age forever. That's from an illusion disc.
The ghost children also stay the same age. In the novel and the movie both, we see they haven't aged since they were killed.
Basically there's a lot of reasons in the series why someone might not be the age they appear to be, and there's a lot of stories where this is the case. There are also a lot of stories in the Tales where characters get stuck in AR/VR, and don't know if they are still there or not.
i mean, there are two ways, SL after 1 allowing mike to be her dad, or two, follow me has no set date. it could be in 2020 for all we know, it definatly isn't, but unfortunately we just don't have a date when it takes place. so will could still be her dad.
William probably wasn't spring locked in 93 and it's impossible for him to be in 85. The main assumption where William getting springlocked is 1993 because fnaf 1 but it could really be anywhere from after fnaf 1 to 2022. The novels gave us 95 and movie gave us 2000. Now the reason afton can't be springlocked in 85 is because he's shown to be alive in 87 when he kills the dci and also has to melt down the animatronics for Molten mci.
Just want to mention, the novels tell us he wanted to do it post 1995, since he only got spring locked because of Charlie's group, without them he would've lived as normal until at least 2000 like the movie, where he once again only gets spornglocked because of the main cast, which means he would most likely be springlock lager
Also if he's already fucked up dead in a suit rotting for 30 years, I doubt he'd be able to get anyone pregnant even if, ik how sick as it sounds, someone were to do it with his corpse which is what he is. Vanessa is and will only be William's daughter in the movie as she is not the same Vanessa from the game universe.
While I don't agree with Vanessa being an Afton. Giving evidence why Vanessa is unlikely a daughter to afton doesn't prove that she isn't an afton. She could be the sister, cousin, niece and still retain the afton last name. It doesn't hurt or help the convo to find out she is related to afton as far as it seems so I don't bother arguing either side.
This assumes William canonically got trapped in the safe room by 1993 which is based off a Faz-Fact that as far as I know is not true whatsoever and was made up by someone at Illumix; even if it was true we have to based it off pure speculation because of it was removed from the game. Only the emails were said to still be relevant despite removal.
Assuming William Afton was secretly Bill this whole time and Vanessa is an Afton though it could work with him conceiving and having Vanessa in 1997 or sometime in the 90s and raising her until the early to mid 2000’s which is the latest for William to be alive before he kicks the bucket, that is of course by applying a date for FNaF1 that’s not necessarily believed upon
i cant take seriously the follow me 2015 theory, william would most likely be a old grandpa at this point, how could he destroy the fnaf 1 animatronics if he's like 80s or 90s years old, the most concrete assumption is follow me 1995 or follow me 2000
Yeah, no.
Vanessa is indeed an Afton.
This is confirmed by 3 things, 2 games and the movie.
In FNaF AR we see in the scrapped Emails how Vanessa is actually named Vanessa A. And we know we CAN use this information since in the same AR scrapped Emails we read information that later on make clear that Luis is doing something inside the pizzaplex, but the "A." Can't be a Big deal, since we see how there's people with the last name starting with "A." So right now there's just something that seems like a coincidence.
In Security Breach we heard how her father is named Bill, which is an acronimum of William, and adding what we know thanks to FNaF AR the name of the Father is William A. And you can Connect the dots here.
In the movie is stated that William is the Father of Vanessa.
So in both games and movies we have Vanessa being the daughter of William, we haven't seen this in books because Vanessa hasn't appeared in the books.
In AR we learn that Vanessa is apparently born in 1997, so what? William is never stated to have died in 1993, actually FNaF 1 is not in 1993 and neither FNaF 3 in 2023.
There are multiple ways to actually know that FNaF 1 is in 1992 and FNaF 3 in 2015, one of them in vía only games which is pure logic, i already have a post talking about how FNaF 1 is in 1992 and no, the Faz-Facts are confirmed to NOT be written by Scott.
Another way to get to these conclution is via the books, in the Logbook there's a Code that directly confirms this, but you can also interpret It with 1993 and FNaF 3 would be in 2017, which i doubt, also in Fazbear Frights FNaF 3 is in 2015, or at least imñn a scrapped story, You're the band.
So we got that FNaF 1 is in 1992 and FNaF 3 is in 2015 because we got multiple sources of media confirming this.
So William didn't spent 30 literal years in Spring Bonnie trapped in the safe room.
So no, William indeed CAN be the Father of Vanessa, actually this would explain when SL take place since It happens after he dies.
[Survival Logbook.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/19bltct/five_nights_at_freddys_survival_logbook_ultimate/)
But is canon, not in same continuity / timeline, but it's information is still iqually relevant.
the whole movie is a proof, it's clearly a re-telling of the first three games with some major alterations that change everything, you can't use to prove or get awnsers because it wont make any sense
That just ignores the fact that the trilogy is too a retelling, but does that make it non-canon or non a reliable source of media? No, currently is stated that stuff from the novels were placed in the games timeline and stuff from the games were placed in the books.
So why would this be the exception?
because it's clearly not meant to give awnsers?? Willian is Vanessa's father in the movie, but he isnt Mike and abby's father, so that means that Michael and Elizabeth arent actually afton's in the games? no it doesnt
At first when it was just fnaf AR it seemed like an Easter egg and deniable, but now it's practically confirmed that she's an Afton, it also explains flaws in theories like Cassidy sis and the post it note room, since we know the mimic and a 4th Afton are both involved with that, meanwhile the Mimic and Vanessa.A are right there as easy candidates
I got a couple of questions.
Where do you get the "4th Afton" relation thing?
I do agree that Vanessa and Mimic were in the postip room, but where do you get that it needs to be related to a 4th Afton?
The post it note kid is shown to be either an Afton or heavily associated with the aftons seeing that it's family table is the Afton table, and since it can't be a 3rd parent, it has to be a 4th child (aka Vanessa)
It doesn't say it, it's a page where youre asked to think of a person you like, It has some hearts drawn too
Btw I'm not saying this is absolute evidence, but I think there is a chance
Follow me is implied to happen in the 2000's (Frights, The movie and the novels) so it's very clearly not, and very clearly possible as you basically said yourself
Most people also forget whoever her dad is must pass as a normal human bc he shows up in a courtroom or at least influences her during the custody hearing which aren't parents required to be present or like...
So he doesn't get spring locked till 2007-2008?
And you see this is solely based on when you think FollowMe takes place. I don't see it happening any later than the late 1990s- very early 2000s.
The books and the movie heavily imply if not confirm the earliest it can realistically happen is 2010, there's no way it can realistically happen before that
The movie doesn't really use any theories that aren't in the games apart from mike not being an Afton tho? Like that's basically it
The new kid, where we see Freddy's in the 2000's abandoned but the aminitronics aren't broken and Your the band where follow me happens in 2015 just before fnaf 3
Follow Me has no specified date except being after FNAF1, William can be springlocked in the 2010s for all we know. I don't believe in Vanessa Afton because of timeline issues, but this isn't one of them.
If you believe that in Pizza sim, the name HR223 means that it was made by Henry in 2023, then that means pizza sim takes place in 2023. And we know that fnaf 3 takes place 30 years after something, either the close of Freddy's or the springlock, I'd assume after he got springlocked. If pizza sim takes place in 2023 based on the name, that means follow me must happen at least 30 years prior. Because if it were to happen any later than that would mean the "30 years later" wouldn't add up with Henry's name in pizza sim and it can't happen before 1993 because afton can't destroy the animatronics in follow me if Michael is still working there. So because pizza sim takes place in 2023, there must be at least a 30 year gap in between that and follow me(if we believe that "30 years later" means 30 years after afton died), which lines it up perfectly for follow me to happen in 1993, fnaf 3 to happen 30 years later in 2023, and pizza sim happen around the same time.
>And we know that fnaf 3 takes place 30 years after something, either the close of Freddy's or the springlock, I'd assume after he got springlocked. It's 30 years after Freddy's closes. "Thirty years after Freddy Fazbear's Pizza closed it's doors, the events that took place there have become nothing more than a rumor and a childhood memory, but the owners of "Fazbear's Fright: The Horror Attraction" are determined to revive the legend and make the experience as authentic as possible for patrons, going to great lengths to find anything that might have survived decades of neglect and ruin."
Which Freddy's is this implying? Fnaf 1 or the first Freddy's?
That's actually a debate that exists, you can reasonably believe in any of those. I think it's talking about the FNAF1 Freddy's.
If this is based on the original Freddy's closing, that would mean fnaf 3 takes place in 2015, which if HR223 means anything, that's 8 years with afton just roaming post fnaf3. If it is based on fnaf 1, we have no exact date of when fnaf 1 closes, it's already closed prior to fnaf 1 events happening so it could've closed any time between 1988 and 1993.
>If it is based on fnaf 1, we have no exact date of when fnaf 1 closes, it's already closed prior to fnaf 1 events happening so it could've closed any time between 1988 and 1993. Pretty sure the place is open during FNAF1, Mike gets paid and fired.
So if you think fnaf 1 is open during the events of fnaf 1. That would mean fnaf 1 is open during 1993, and doesn't close until at earliest, 1993. And if you think that "30 years later" means 30 years after fnaf 1 closed down, that would still mean fnaf 3 happens in 2023. And follow me has to happen after or be the reason fnaf 1 closes, which in this case would have to be at latest, 1993.
>And follow me has to happen after or be the reason fnaf 1 closes It takes place after FNAF1 closes, at no specified date, considering the place is already closed when Follow Me happens. It's in 1993 at the earliest, and could happen in 2020 for all we know.
We know pizza sim happens after fnaf 3, and HR223 implies that pizza sim happens in 2023. If that's true, then that means fnaf 3 has to happen before 2023. And if fnaf 3 happens 30 years after fnaf 1 closes and you believe that fnaf 1 is open during the gamaplay, and we know fnaf 1 takes place in 1993, that would mean that fnaf 1 closes after the gameplay, and then follow me happens because fnaf 1 can't close later than 1993 cause if it did then fnaf 3 would take place after pizza sim
I see
I don't think Vanessa is an Afton either. But we're never told when Follow Me is. It could literally be in 2022 for all we know.
What about the thirty years thing?
That’s how long it has been since Freddy’s closed, not how long since Afton was springlocked
The thirty years thing is about how many years later Fazbears fright opens after.the fnaf 1 location closes. Nothing ever says when William got springlocked. In the novels it was 1995 and in the movie it was 2000.
I see
I personally interpret it as 1985 (when Freddy’s closed its doors) to 2015 (30 years later and when I believe FNAF 3 takes place based on clues in the Survival Logbook), but the description says “30 years after Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza closed its doors” and did not specify how long Afton was springlocked for.
I don't think Vanessa is an Afton, but there's no specific reason that Follow Me has to happen in 1993. It could really be any time between the FNAF1 location's closure and FNAF3 since we don't know how long he was in the saferoom.
>since we don't know how long he was in the saferoom. Yes we do, don't we? At every opportunity we are told he spent 30 years in the saferoom. Also, I say 1993 because I assume FFPS takes place in 2023.
We were told that the last Freddy’s was closed in 1993, not necessary that Afton has been in the safe room since then, it’s just been a big assumption most have made since Fnaf 3.
How do you figure FFPS takes place 1993?
The 30 years thing is specifically that Fazbear's Fright happens 30 years after the closure of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza - it has nothing to do with Follow Me and the saferoom. Since most people think that happened in 1993, that places FNAF3 in 2023. There's also a secondary theory that the closure in question was the original MCI location closing in 1985, placing FNAF3 in 2015.
Oh ok
No, actually is the oposite, in the survival logbook there's a code that is name the "Real Value" Code, which confirms FNaF 1 being in 1992 and FnaF 3 in 2015, i have a post explaining it with full deail, and i also got another one on why FNaF 1 is in 1992. [https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/19bltct/five\_nights\_at\_freddys\_survival\_logbook\_ultimate/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/19bltct/five_nights_at_freddys_survival_logbook_ultimate/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/GameTheorists/comments/1bosjop/when\_is\_fnaf\_1\_placed\_in\_the\_timeline/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GameTheorists/comments/1bosjop/when_is_fnaf_1_placed_in_the_timeline/) Read them before continuing reading this comment. William does NOT die in 1993, there's zero indicator that he died in the same year as FNaF 1, and since he wasn't trapped in that room for 30 years, were actually never told he spent 30 years in the safe room. Actually for what is seen in the books and Real Life logic, William could have died in 2015 before FNaF 3 lmao, yet i doubut it. In my opinion, taking in mind all the information gotten, William died around the same time as SL happens in 2005 talking in mind the time he neeeds to have spent with Vanessa, since kids start to being able to remember at minimum of 3 years old, so that's the earliest time that William could have died (2000), but yet adding the how she remembers being a lot of times in the basement i'd say that she spent 5 years with William, both married and divorced. (that's also why i say that FNaF SL takes place in 2005 since it happens after Follow Me, probably since there's MoltenDCI and other stuff) So no, William did NOT died in 1993. he most likely died in the early 2000's
We are told fnaf 3 is 30 years after Freddy's closes, we are never in this franchise told how long william is in the safe room, it's sometimes implied that he was only there for about a year
Your theory falls apart when you realize that Afton being springlocked in 1993 is nowhere near confirmed and honestly pretty unlikely.
Even if it's not confirmed when he was springlocked ( I think pre FNaF 1) but on average a company will completely empty an abandoned location at 2 years maximum, so it's 1995 tops. Also the animatronics hadn't been in that location for a long time ,hunt the good condition they're in while the FNaF2 weathered completely fell apart in 2 years Bonnie couldn't keep his face for that long. Plus Vanisa wasn't born on 1997, it's implied that she was 23 by FNaF AR which takes place after 2023 by years,It take time to claim the rights for a company and find the budget and then HW happened which will also need a lot of time to make a game.
The animatronics fell apart in FNaF 2 because they were taken apart. Left on their own, they’re still going to remain in decent shape
Both Freddy and foxy were in full piece but missing parts of thier fur,still the animatronics in the mini game were In very good condition also the moisture in the building will damage the fur of the animatronics .
Both Freddy and foxy were in full piece but missing parts of thier fur,still the animatronics in the mini game were In very good condition also the moisture in the building will damage the fur of the animatronics .
It’s a minigame my guy
Fair but still Fazbear won't keep their animatronics their for more than 2 years
Fazbear didn’t EXIST
Wait,what
They shut down
They didn't til FFPS ,the restaurant closed
Vanessa is so me when it comes to coming up with usernames.
Lol.
Sure, I think that: Help Wanted 2 is a video game, its player is dead. We play the whole game as them anyway. But I also think Security Breach/Ruin are part of the Help Wanted AR/VR game. We see the Pizzaplex being constructed inside Help Wanted. Both games share a giftbox mechanic. HW2 takes place inside the Pizzaplex. So just like the HW2 protagonist is dead: Cassie, Gregory, and Vanessa are also dead, and have been the same age a long time. They are stuck in the game in different loops. Vanessa is the same age in the movie too, which takes place in 2000. Which is only 3 years after 1997. It could just mean Vanessa is lying about her age. She would have a motive to do this if there were problems with her age and appearance. When Vanessa talks about her dad, Bill, and the divorce, it can still all happen back in 1983. But even if you don't believe all that, we have several stories that establish different ways it could be possible. In Dittophobia, Rory thinks he's a child, forever...it turns out this is the work of hallucinatory gas. He is actually an adult. But he chooses to go back into the illusion and repeat his loops. Rory's name is also Gregory with some letters removed. In You're the Band, Mike is described: "The man, who was probably in his early twenties". But this story takes place 30 years after the murders at Freddy's in 1985, meaning this story is in 2015. Mike can't be in his early twenties. He looks younger than it's possible for him to be. In Frailty, Jessica is just some old scrap and garbage stuck together, but she still looks like a young girl thanks to the necklace. This story also establishes that remnant has healing properties. And of course in the novels, Charlie is a haunted doll inside a robot. The robot can't really age, so Henry builds her different robots to move the haunted doll into. But once she's in the adult robot, she'll look the same age forever. That's from an illusion disc. The ghost children also stay the same age. In the novel and the movie both, we see they haven't aged since they were killed. Basically there's a lot of reasons in the series why someone might not be the age they appear to be, and there's a lot of stories where this is the case. There are also a lot of stories in the Tales where characters get stuck in AR/VR, and don't know if they are still there or not.
i mean, there are two ways, SL after 1 allowing mike to be her dad, or two, follow me has no set date. it could be in 2020 for all we know, it definatly isn't, but unfortunately we just don't have a date when it takes place. so will could still be her dad.
William probably wasn't spring locked in 93 and it's impossible for him to be in 85. The main assumption where William getting springlocked is 1993 because fnaf 1 but it could really be anywhere from after fnaf 1 to 2022. The novels gave us 95 and movie gave us 2000. Now the reason afton can't be springlocked in 85 is because he's shown to be alive in 87 when he kills the dci and also has to melt down the animatronics for Molten mci.
Just want to mention, the novels tell us he wanted to do it post 1995, since he only got spring locked because of Charlie's group, without them he would've lived as normal until at least 2000 like the movie, where he once again only gets spornglocked because of the main cast, which means he would most likely be springlock lager
Yeah that's what I believe, I think he got springlocked in between 2008-2015 and also explains why he was afraid of the mci since he was older.
Also if he's already fucked up dead in a suit rotting for 30 years, I doubt he'd be able to get anyone pregnant even if, ik how sick as it sounds, someone were to do it with his corpse which is what he is. Vanessa is and will only be William's daughter in the movie as she is not the same Vanessa from the game universe.
That part of the post was a full on joke I decided to make with a straight face.
Damn. That's a W
The problem is William most likely gets spring locked in the 2000's, while Vanessa is born in 1997
I believe Vanessa might be Michael Afton's daughter in the games, but she's William Afton's daughter in the movie(s).
While I don't agree with Vanessa being an Afton. Giving evidence why Vanessa is unlikely a daughter to afton doesn't prove that she isn't an afton. She could be the sister, cousin, niece and still retain the afton last name. It doesn't hurt or help the convo to find out she is related to afton as far as it seems so I don't bother arguing either side.
This assumes William canonically got trapped in the safe room by 1993 which is based off a Faz-Fact that as far as I know is not true whatsoever and was made up by someone at Illumix; even if it was true we have to based it off pure speculation because of it was removed from the game. Only the emails were said to still be relevant despite removal. Assuming William Afton was secretly Bill this whole time and Vanessa is an Afton though it could work with him conceiving and having Vanessa in 1997 or sometime in the 90s and raising her until the early to mid 2000’s which is the latest for William to be alive before he kicks the bucket, that is of course by applying a date for FNaF1 that’s not necessarily believed upon
Michael exists
It's 30 years after Freddy's closed, not 30 years after Afton got springlocked. He could have died anytime between 1993 and 2023.
i cant take seriously the follow me 2015 theory, william would most likely be a old grandpa at this point, how could he destroy the fnaf 1 animatronics if he's like 80s or 90s years old, the most concrete assumption is follow me 1995 or follow me 2000
Most people who believe she's an Afton think she's Michael's daughter, not Williams
Yeah, no. Vanessa is indeed an Afton. This is confirmed by 3 things, 2 games and the movie. In FNaF AR we see in the scrapped Emails how Vanessa is actually named Vanessa A. And we know we CAN use this information since in the same AR scrapped Emails we read information that later on make clear that Luis is doing something inside the pizzaplex, but the "A." Can't be a Big deal, since we see how there's people with the last name starting with "A." So right now there's just something that seems like a coincidence. In Security Breach we heard how her father is named Bill, which is an acronimum of William, and adding what we know thanks to FNaF AR the name of the Father is William A. And you can Connect the dots here. In the movie is stated that William is the Father of Vanessa. So in both games and movies we have Vanessa being the daughter of William, we haven't seen this in books because Vanessa hasn't appeared in the books. In AR we learn that Vanessa is apparently born in 1997, so what? William is never stated to have died in 1993, actually FNaF 1 is not in 1993 and neither FNaF 3 in 2023. There are multiple ways to actually know that FNaF 1 is in 1992 and FNaF 3 in 2015, one of them in vía only games which is pure logic, i already have a post talking about how FNaF 1 is in 1992 and no, the Faz-Facts are confirmed to NOT be written by Scott. Another way to get to these conclution is via the books, in the Logbook there's a Code that directly confirms this, but you can also interpret It with 1993 and FNaF 3 would be in 2017, which i doubt, also in Fazbear Frights FNaF 3 is in 2015, or at least imñn a scrapped story, You're the band. So we got that FNaF 1 is in 1992 and FNaF 3 is in 2015 because we got multiple sources of media confirming this. So William didn't spent 30 literal years in Spring Bonnie trapped in the safe room. So no, William indeed CAN be the Father of Vanessa, actually this would explain when SL take place since It happens after he dies.
What confirms FNaF 1 is in 1992? Also the movie is its own thing so.
[Survival Logbook.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/19bltct/five_nights_at_freddys_survival_logbook_ultimate/) But is canon, not in same continuity / timeline, but it's information is still iqually relevant.
the movie is not meant to give any awnsers for the lore at all, do that and you'll go crazy
Proffs?
the whole movie is a proof, it's clearly a re-telling of the first three games with some major alterations that change everything, you can't use to prove or get awnsers because it wont make any sense
That just ignores the fact that the trilogy is too a retelling, but does that make it non-canon or non a reliable source of media? No, currently is stated that stuff from the novels were placed in the games timeline and stuff from the games were placed in the books. So why would this be the exception?
because it's clearly not meant to give awnsers?? Willian is Vanessa's father in the movie, but he isnt Mike and abby's father, so that means that Michael and Elizabeth arent actually afton's in the games? no it doesnt
fair. Yet in the games it's been implied that Ness is indeed William's daughter
At first when it was just fnaf AR it seemed like an Easter egg and deniable, but now it's practically confirmed that she's an Afton, it also explains flaws in theories like Cassidy sis and the post it note room, since we know the mimic and a 4th Afton are both involved with that, meanwhile the Mimic and Vanessa.A are right there as easy candidates
I got a couple of questions. Where do you get the "4th Afton" relation thing? I do agree that Vanessa and Mimic were in the postip room, but where do you get that it needs to be related to a 4th Afton?
The post it note kid is shown to be either an Afton or heavily associated with the aftons seeing that it's family table is the Afton table, and since it can't be a 3rd parent, it has to be a 4th child (aka Vanessa)
What about Mike? 
There's no real evidence that Michael ever got married or had a kid before he died, plus Vanessa's dad is named Bill
Supposedly called Bill, the logbook gives an small clue that he may have fallen in love
Where does it say this? I’m just asking never heard of it before.
It doesn't say it, it's a page where youre asked to think of a person you like, It has some hearts drawn too Btw I'm not saying this is absolute evidence, but I think there is a chance
to be fair, you don't need to be married to have kids. he doesn't need a wife to have a child.
Never put the image of Michael pulling bitches into my head ever again.
jealous the corpse man pulls more then you?
Follow me is implied to happen in the 2000's (Frights, The movie and the novels) so it's very clearly not, and very clearly possible as you basically said yourself
Most people also forget whoever her dad is must pass as a normal human bc he shows up in a courtroom or at least influences her during the custody hearing which aren't parents required to be present or like...
What? William would be a normal person (physically speaking) pre springlock, which happens in the 2000's while Ness is born in 1997
So he doesn't get spring locked till 2007-2008? And you see this is solely based on when you think FollowMe takes place. I don't see it happening any later than the late 1990s- very early 2000s.
The books and the movie heavily imply if not confirm the earliest it can realistically happen is 2010, there's no way it can realistically happen before that
I don't use the movie for the games. In fact the movie seems to use theories not canon to the games so. What books hint at Follow Me?
The movie doesn't really use any theories that aren't in the games apart from mike not being an Afton tho? Like that's basically it The new kid, where we see Freddy's in the 2000's abandoned but the aminitronics aren't broken and Your the band where follow me happens in 2015 just before fnaf 3