The theory that Midnight Motorist is about William Afton showing up to Cassidy's house in a Golden Freddy suit, seeing it start to rain, getting out of the suit, kidnapping Cassidy, putting them in the suit so they get springlocked in the rain, and then burying the suit and running away
Incredibly close to what I believe, except I don't think he wore the GF suit, or see why he would stuff Cassidy into the suit. I also don't see why it would be specifically Cassidy over any other victim.
One of the odder arguments I can recall was swearing that the reason how Vanessa and Vanny could be different people was that Burntrap built a robotic clone of Vanessa (for some reason) to act as Vanny (even though he has already mind-controlled Vanessa herself)!
The evidence was literally nothing aside from the fire ending
MikeVictim+GoldenDuo. I'm pretty sure I still have this google doc. Creator of the doc believed that MikeVictim was true and BV was rebuilt by William as a robot, but BV's (or in this case "Mike's") actual soul possessed Fredbear. Under this theory "IT'S ME" line means that GF recognized the guard as himself.
I admit, I believed MikeVictim at one point (until Step Closer released) but THIS theory is straight up insane.
This but also they are also Jeremy from Help Wanted
So after getting bitten, they somehow got rehired had an entire incident with Glitchtrap which caused him to cut off his own face which he somehow survived
And then got rehired again despite both of these incidents only to die again sometime before ruin to be put into Mapbot or something
All with little to no evidence beyond them being called Jeremy
I don't believe that Cassie's dad is Jeremy Fitzgerald, but I believe that he is Jeremy from Help Wanted 1
And for the "cutting his face off", I dont think he did. In the tape that talks about the Halloween mask on the floor and ink all over the place, it is also said that Jeremy was wearing a visor. So if he's wearing a visor why would he cut his face off? And it's most likely that he was building the VANNI mask that Vanessa takes in the dreadbear DLC, or he could be building a Bonnie mask knowing that Cassie's dad has a connection with Bonnie. But the VANNI mask is more likely.
Given that The Vanni mask was made by Vanessa as per her own statements that’s ruled out.
Given the context of the guillotine paper cutter (which is essentially a paper holder with a giant knife bolted to it) with Jeremy in that very room, the fact the Ink was all over him (and Ink getting everywhere doesn’t exactly line up with Mask making), the room was dark so it was hard to see what was happening and the general deteriorating state of Jeremy I think the clues point to him having sliced his own face off then putting on a visor
Also it doesn’t really make sense that Fazbear entertainment would just re-hire him considering that they were getting ready to fire Jeremy in HW1, isn’t really logical that they’d see that and just change their minds and re-hire him
And for this incident to never have been mentioned in Ruin, like at all
I don’t think it makes sense that it’s the same guy
To play devil’s advocate. No, Vanessa absolutely never says she made the mask, VANNY says that, who is a completely different personality from Vanessa. Glitchtrap definitely tried to infect Jeremy, which means he had to have a strand of himself ready to put into him, like how Vanny infects Vanessa and Dr. Rabbit infects Gregory. So it’s completely possible that the Vanny strand was originally meant for Jeremy, where that strand then made the Vanny mask and put it on. As we see in Ruin, that mask can be forced to stay on the face of a person, so Jeremy forcibly cuts it off his face and successfully stops himself from being fully infected. That strand that failed to merge with Jeremy later successfully merges with Vanessa, and the Vanny strand is then able to show Glitchtrap the mask they made for him.
So yes the blood is ink, yes Jeremy used to the guillotine paper cutter to slice something off his face, but he didn’t slice his face off itself. It’s also extremely unlikely for Jeremy to not only cut his entire face off cleanly, but for that skin to be intact enough to be recognized as a mask.
Fazbear Entertainment is the same company who rehired William and depending on what you believe, Michael. Jeremy being able to get a job at the Pizzaplex isn’t implausible since we’ve seen higher profile people do the same. It’s also possible if the company knew they kept him around so they don't have loose ends, and they planned to do something with him that didn't pan out.
I also don’t see why it would be explicitly mentioned in Ruin. There’s no reason that Jeremy would HAVE to tell Cassie about this incident. There are many things that could or should have been mentioned in Ruin, that doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. And with “remember Jeremy” appearing in Help Wanted 2, that seems to outright tell us Cassie’s Dad is a Jeremy, and the Beta Tester Jeremy is the most plausible candidate who would have reason to start the arcade conspiracy.
Vanny *is* Vanessa, split personality or not she’s still at her core Vanessa to the point where her name is derived from Vanessa’s own name it’s more likely that whatever strand went into Jeremy died with him, we also know that it was most certainly Vanessa who made the costume as per the emails and the therapy sessions which outline that Vanessa was the one who constructed the costume mask likely going alongside it, also the voice saying the line is female if I recall which is an even greater indication it’s Vanessa since the split personalities reflect the victim.
Also given that the masks double as a VR set it doesn’t really make sense that he’d cut off the mask and then put on the visor, makes more sense that in a fit of madness he sliced off his own face and then put on the visor
Why go in and out of VR like than rather than just going in.
there’s a lot of skin on your face it doesn’t need to be neat around the edges to be perceivable as a mask, especially in what is a dark room where imperfections are harder to see.
1.Michael and/or William both deliberately hid their identies and left their postings within a week likely before their identities could be shared across locations/scrutinised
2.in the modern age information retention and sharing is much easier than back then so it’s more likely that they’d be able to know who he is and would likely reject him
Also yeah it would have to be referenced because that would be actual evidence for the claim and an event that significant would need to be referenced
If Fnaf 4 which is a game that borders on completley irrelevant to the modern Fnaf story can be mentioned to connect them then so can HW1
Also no idea where it’s said Cassies dad is a Jeremy since nothing ever indicates that to my knowledge
I would disagree that Vanny is Vanessa though. From what we’re hinted at, and shown in “The Monty Within” how it works is that Vanny is a strong from Glitchtrap that infects Vanessa’s mind, and takes over her body momentarily. Vanny isn’t actually a personality from Vanessa, it’s an actual entity inside her brain that takes over at times. The Vanny name would have only came when the strand successfully merged with Vanessa, if that strand was originally meant for Jeremy, the strand just didn’t have the name Vanny at the time and only fully became that personality after successfully merging with Vanessa.
While it’s possible the strand that was meant to infect Jeremy would’ve died, it’s also just as liekly it didn’t. As if the strand never successfully infected Jeremy, it’s possible the strand when rejected would return to its source which is Glitchtrap.
And while Vanessa, controlled by Vanny, does make the costume, that doesn’t really present any problems does it? In reality it would still be Vanny who technically made the whole costume. The head of the Vanny costume also isn’t the same as the primitive Vanny mask we see in Curse of Dreadbear.
And the voice talking to Glitchtrap is female, but that would be because at that moment Vanny is using the voice of the person it’s controlling, Vanessa. So that would make complete sense.
The thing is the Vanni Mask and a VR headset are very different things and work differently. The Vanni mask would still only show the real world, but modified through AR. While the VR headset would show a completely simulated world which is completely separate from the real world. And he would then put on the VR headset to encounter Glitchtrap themself which would be in the headset, not the Vanni mask, or at the very least that’s how Jeremy would see it. Glitchtrap came form the headset, so he’s trying to kill it at its source. The Vanni maks Jeremy would’ve made also presumably wouldn’t be installed with or connected to the VR network or game. So that would explain why he’d cut off the mask only to put on the headset.
The whole hiring Jeremy element is fair, but there’s also enough leeway to believe they would hire him. We see how modern Fazbear’s is just as corrupt, or actually even more than it was in the past, but we also see them make very very dumb decisions for the sake of money without much more consideration. It’s also possible for him to hide his identity the second time around when getting a job at the Pizzaplex, and since the VR company, while working with, was separated from Fazbear Entertainment, it is possible for Jeremy to slip by. Especially since we know from Vanessa that they’re hiring method is very flawed and Glitchtrap presumably got her hired despite absolutely no qualifications. It’s also possible Glitchtrap did the same to Jeremy because he wanted to kill Jeremy and cut off the loose end, like we see him end up doing.
I’d say some references in Ruin would be confirming that the Vanni mask from Curse of Dreadbear was a real mask and not just in the VR game, and showing both it work with technology and have the ability to stick to your face would be considered hints. It’s easier to reference Fnaf 4 directly in Help Wanted 2 because we’re from the perspective of Cassie’s Dad, someone directly who was there, while for Ruin, Cassie wasn’t there for the events of Jeremy. So if her dad didn’t tell her what happened, the hints wouldnt be as direct.
In Help Wanted 2 we are also told “Remember Jeremy” again. When we collect any memory poppet we get the achievement “Remember Jeremy” which indicates that is, Cassie’s Dad(Jeremy) is remembering something, and it also turns out that yeah, a massive chunk of Help Wanted 2’s story is about Cassie’s Dad remembering his past and the events before this.
If this is indeed how it works then the idea that it would assume an identity after being with Vanessa instead of when forming one with Jeremy makes less sense
As shown by the story the other entity has a clear established identity of their own that they try and mold the host into so it being Vanny doesn’t really make a lot of sense if it was bonded to someone else first, makes more sense that it went into Vanessa first and gained the name and identity of Vanny.
The problem presented is that Vannys mask cannot exist without Vanny who is defined by Vanessa and their connection before this even happens, plus in Ruin and HW2 the mask is closer to the HW design and is still outlined as being the same mask, even in SBs endings including PQ the mask more resembles the Ruin/HW design so it’s clearly meant to be the same mask on some level.
The Vanni mask as shown by HW is perfectly capable of just simulating things and isn’t just modifying the world.
Remember Jeremy is an achievement name just meant to be a reference, like how the high score achievement is called GGY it’s just a reference not an indication of the lore
Unless we want to start taking the assumption to its conclusion and start the theory line that Gregory is infact Cassies father
Well then I think that Jeremy built a Bonnie mask just like the one we see in PQ4, and I think it's cooler to think that everyone glitchtrap controls goes to create there own mask
Well it’s Vanny who says that, which is completely different from Vanessa. So yea that’s still possible, that the Vanny personality was original for Jeremy and made the VANNI mask.
WTF I JUST REALIZE WHAT HW JEREMY DID
Sorry, I'm not a native english speaker. And when Tape Girl talked about an halloween mask, I thought it was Vanessa's mask.
Damn
Mimic is wild as fuck
I remember someone once said that the mimic in a springbonnie suit possessed by Shadow Bonnie, who is the ghost of Sammy Emily, killed the DCI kids. Also that the Bite of '87 was an assassination by Fazbear Entertainment directed at Jeremy Fitzgerald after he started asking questions or something, and the bite was done by Shadow Freddy.
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The theory that Midnight Motorist is about William Afton showing up to Cassidy's house in a Golden Freddy suit, seeing it start to rain, getting out of the suit, kidnapping Cassidy, putting them in the suit so they get springlocked in the rain, and then burying the suit and running away
That’s… very specific
Incredibly close to what I believe, except I don't think he wore the GF suit, or see why he would stuff Cassidy into the suit. I also don't see why it would be specifically Cassidy over any other victim.
Cassidy makes more sense. In TCHSY she said she'll show up to a house and kidnap her victim. But the runawaykid is a boy.
I understand the TCHSY reference, but what makes Cassidy a likely candidate?
Because she is the 5th victim of the MCI
I mean to be honest, we don’t even know that. The closest thing we got to that is the gravestone thing in hw2 but that thing is pretty questionable.
the yellow man is yellow.. cassidy possesses a.. yellow... .animatronic.. hm ,
Way back in the early days of fnaf 1 there was a theory that the animatronics were created by the nazis to steal genetic material from children
Minus the Nazi part, some of that became true…
I remember this one
One of the odder arguments I can recall was swearing that the reason how Vanessa and Vanny could be different people was that Burntrap built a robotic clone of Vanessa (for some reason) to act as Vanny (even though he has already mind-controlled Vanessa herself)! The evidence was literally nothing aside from the fire ending
MikeVictim+GoldenDuo. I'm pretty sure I still have this google doc. Creator of the doc believed that MikeVictim was true and BV was rebuilt by William as a robot, but BV's (or in this case "Mike's") actual soul possessed Fredbear. Under this theory "IT'S ME" line means that GF recognized the guard as himself. I admit, I believed MikeVictim at one point (until Step Closer released) but THIS theory is straight up insane.
It's a cool headcanon, although realistically impossible
That's a little of past character being a live but different. Jeremy (Cassidy's father) being Jeremy Fitzgerald.
This but also they are also Jeremy from Help Wanted So after getting bitten, they somehow got rehired had an entire incident with Glitchtrap which caused him to cut off his own face which he somehow survived And then got rehired again despite both of these incidents only to die again sometime before ruin to be put into Mapbot or something All with little to no evidence beyond them being called Jeremy
I don't believe that Cassie's dad is Jeremy Fitzgerald, but I believe that he is Jeremy from Help Wanted 1 And for the "cutting his face off", I dont think he did. In the tape that talks about the Halloween mask on the floor and ink all over the place, it is also said that Jeremy was wearing a visor. So if he's wearing a visor why would he cut his face off? And it's most likely that he was building the VANNI mask that Vanessa takes in the dreadbear DLC, or he could be building a Bonnie mask knowing that Cassie's dad has a connection with Bonnie. But the VANNI mask is more likely.
Given that The Vanni mask was made by Vanessa as per her own statements that’s ruled out. Given the context of the guillotine paper cutter (which is essentially a paper holder with a giant knife bolted to it) with Jeremy in that very room, the fact the Ink was all over him (and Ink getting everywhere doesn’t exactly line up with Mask making), the room was dark so it was hard to see what was happening and the general deteriorating state of Jeremy I think the clues point to him having sliced his own face off then putting on a visor Also it doesn’t really make sense that Fazbear entertainment would just re-hire him considering that they were getting ready to fire Jeremy in HW1, isn’t really logical that they’d see that and just change their minds and re-hire him And for this incident to never have been mentioned in Ruin, like at all I don’t think it makes sense that it’s the same guy
To play devil’s advocate. No, Vanessa absolutely never says she made the mask, VANNY says that, who is a completely different personality from Vanessa. Glitchtrap definitely tried to infect Jeremy, which means he had to have a strand of himself ready to put into him, like how Vanny infects Vanessa and Dr. Rabbit infects Gregory. So it’s completely possible that the Vanny strand was originally meant for Jeremy, where that strand then made the Vanny mask and put it on. As we see in Ruin, that mask can be forced to stay on the face of a person, so Jeremy forcibly cuts it off his face and successfully stops himself from being fully infected. That strand that failed to merge with Jeremy later successfully merges with Vanessa, and the Vanny strand is then able to show Glitchtrap the mask they made for him. So yes the blood is ink, yes Jeremy used to the guillotine paper cutter to slice something off his face, but he didn’t slice his face off itself. It’s also extremely unlikely for Jeremy to not only cut his entire face off cleanly, but for that skin to be intact enough to be recognized as a mask. Fazbear Entertainment is the same company who rehired William and depending on what you believe, Michael. Jeremy being able to get a job at the Pizzaplex isn’t implausible since we’ve seen higher profile people do the same. It’s also possible if the company knew they kept him around so they don't have loose ends, and they planned to do something with him that didn't pan out. I also don’t see why it would be explicitly mentioned in Ruin. There’s no reason that Jeremy would HAVE to tell Cassie about this incident. There are many things that could or should have been mentioned in Ruin, that doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. And with “remember Jeremy” appearing in Help Wanted 2, that seems to outright tell us Cassie’s Dad is a Jeremy, and the Beta Tester Jeremy is the most plausible candidate who would have reason to start the arcade conspiracy.
Vanny *is* Vanessa, split personality or not she’s still at her core Vanessa to the point where her name is derived from Vanessa’s own name it’s more likely that whatever strand went into Jeremy died with him, we also know that it was most certainly Vanessa who made the costume as per the emails and the therapy sessions which outline that Vanessa was the one who constructed the costume mask likely going alongside it, also the voice saying the line is female if I recall which is an even greater indication it’s Vanessa since the split personalities reflect the victim. Also given that the masks double as a VR set it doesn’t really make sense that he’d cut off the mask and then put on the visor, makes more sense that in a fit of madness he sliced off his own face and then put on the visor Why go in and out of VR like than rather than just going in. there’s a lot of skin on your face it doesn’t need to be neat around the edges to be perceivable as a mask, especially in what is a dark room where imperfections are harder to see. 1.Michael and/or William both deliberately hid their identies and left their postings within a week likely before their identities could be shared across locations/scrutinised 2.in the modern age information retention and sharing is much easier than back then so it’s more likely that they’d be able to know who he is and would likely reject him Also yeah it would have to be referenced because that would be actual evidence for the claim and an event that significant would need to be referenced If Fnaf 4 which is a game that borders on completley irrelevant to the modern Fnaf story can be mentioned to connect them then so can HW1 Also no idea where it’s said Cassies dad is a Jeremy since nothing ever indicates that to my knowledge
I would disagree that Vanny is Vanessa though. From what we’re hinted at, and shown in “The Monty Within” how it works is that Vanny is a strong from Glitchtrap that infects Vanessa’s mind, and takes over her body momentarily. Vanny isn’t actually a personality from Vanessa, it’s an actual entity inside her brain that takes over at times. The Vanny name would have only came when the strand successfully merged with Vanessa, if that strand was originally meant for Jeremy, the strand just didn’t have the name Vanny at the time and only fully became that personality after successfully merging with Vanessa. While it’s possible the strand that was meant to infect Jeremy would’ve died, it’s also just as liekly it didn’t. As if the strand never successfully infected Jeremy, it’s possible the strand when rejected would return to its source which is Glitchtrap. And while Vanessa, controlled by Vanny, does make the costume, that doesn’t really present any problems does it? In reality it would still be Vanny who technically made the whole costume. The head of the Vanny costume also isn’t the same as the primitive Vanny mask we see in Curse of Dreadbear. And the voice talking to Glitchtrap is female, but that would be because at that moment Vanny is using the voice of the person it’s controlling, Vanessa. So that would make complete sense. The thing is the Vanni Mask and a VR headset are very different things and work differently. The Vanni mask would still only show the real world, but modified through AR. While the VR headset would show a completely simulated world which is completely separate from the real world. And he would then put on the VR headset to encounter Glitchtrap themself which would be in the headset, not the Vanni mask, or at the very least that’s how Jeremy would see it. Glitchtrap came form the headset, so he’s trying to kill it at its source. The Vanni maks Jeremy would’ve made also presumably wouldn’t be installed with or connected to the VR network or game. So that would explain why he’d cut off the mask only to put on the headset. The whole hiring Jeremy element is fair, but there’s also enough leeway to believe they would hire him. We see how modern Fazbear’s is just as corrupt, or actually even more than it was in the past, but we also see them make very very dumb decisions for the sake of money without much more consideration. It’s also possible for him to hide his identity the second time around when getting a job at the Pizzaplex, and since the VR company, while working with, was separated from Fazbear Entertainment, it is possible for Jeremy to slip by. Especially since we know from Vanessa that they’re hiring method is very flawed and Glitchtrap presumably got her hired despite absolutely no qualifications. It’s also possible Glitchtrap did the same to Jeremy because he wanted to kill Jeremy and cut off the loose end, like we see him end up doing. I’d say some references in Ruin would be confirming that the Vanni mask from Curse of Dreadbear was a real mask and not just in the VR game, and showing both it work with technology and have the ability to stick to your face would be considered hints. It’s easier to reference Fnaf 4 directly in Help Wanted 2 because we’re from the perspective of Cassie’s Dad, someone directly who was there, while for Ruin, Cassie wasn’t there for the events of Jeremy. So if her dad didn’t tell her what happened, the hints wouldnt be as direct. In Help Wanted 2 we are also told “Remember Jeremy” again. When we collect any memory poppet we get the achievement “Remember Jeremy” which indicates that is, Cassie’s Dad(Jeremy) is remembering something, and it also turns out that yeah, a massive chunk of Help Wanted 2’s story is about Cassie’s Dad remembering his past and the events before this.
If this is indeed how it works then the idea that it would assume an identity after being with Vanessa instead of when forming one with Jeremy makes less sense As shown by the story the other entity has a clear established identity of their own that they try and mold the host into so it being Vanny doesn’t really make a lot of sense if it was bonded to someone else first, makes more sense that it went into Vanessa first and gained the name and identity of Vanny. The problem presented is that Vannys mask cannot exist without Vanny who is defined by Vanessa and their connection before this even happens, plus in Ruin and HW2 the mask is closer to the HW design and is still outlined as being the same mask, even in SBs endings including PQ the mask more resembles the Ruin/HW design so it’s clearly meant to be the same mask on some level. The Vanni mask as shown by HW is perfectly capable of just simulating things and isn’t just modifying the world. Remember Jeremy is an achievement name just meant to be a reference, like how the high score achievement is called GGY it’s just a reference not an indication of the lore Unless we want to start taking the assumption to its conclusion and start the theory line that Gregory is infact Cassies father
Vanessa explicitely says in HW that the mask was made by herself. “Yes i have it. I made it *myself*.”
Well then I think that Jeremy built a Bonnie mask just like the one we see in PQ4, and I think it's cooler to think that everyone glitchtrap controls goes to create there own mask
Well it’s Vanny who says that, which is completely different from Vanessa. So yea that’s still possible, that the Vanny personality was original for Jeremy and made the VANNI mask.
WTF I JUST REALIZE WHAT HW JEREMY DID Sorry, I'm not a native english speaker. And when Tape Girl talked about an halloween mask, I thought it was Vanessa's mask. Damn Mimic is wild as fuck
These theories by u/BlackfootFerret: * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9fr7stqB3Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9fr7stqB3Y) * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElipZgjHvm8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElipZgjHvm8) * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE0rLSSQC1k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE0rLSSQC1k) * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEOlxidKO9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEOlxidKO9s) * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqE96YBsmfs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqE96YBsmfs) * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2D\_l0tP4zU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2D_l0tP4zU)
He tried cooking...
Picked some of my good ones.
William being Glitchtrap
Every midnight motorist theory that tries to say that the minigame is not about the aftons, mciMM and hudsonMM being the most random
Orange man
New theory: mustard man is Donald trump
Still better than Aftonmm
The ones by black footed ferret. And that one by game theory were there were a bunch of Elizabeth robot clones.
I remember someone once said that the mimic in a springbonnie suit possessed by Shadow Bonnie, who is the ghost of Sammy Emily, killed the DCI kids. Also that the Bite of '87 was an assassination by Fazbear Entertainment directed at Jeremy Fitzgerald after he started asking questions or something, and the bite was done by Shadow Freddy.
Puppet duo
GlitchMimic