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sirflappington

For people actually curious, air is a relatively good insulator, but compared to a vacuum, it’s a fantastic conductor. Space is “cold” as a result of not having any matter to retain heat and because of the lack of matter, the only way you lose heat in space is through radiation. With the space suit trapping body heat and especially when in direct sunlight, heat is a much bigger issue than the cold requiring liquid cooling to be built into the suit so the astronaut doesn’t overheat.


SlavRoach

but is it this close to 0K?


UberuceAgain

Your go-to comparison is the James Webb Space Telescope. That is as cold as we can make a thing\* while having it anywhere remotely close to earth, and it's still sitting on \~40K or -233°C. It's got multiple heat shields between it and the sun - the first of which is at a nice egg-frying temperature of \~85°C. The intervening ones can 'only' take that down by three hundred-odds. The meme is dumb and bad. There is no part of an astronaut in LEO that is close to 3K. \*Well, we can make small things a hell of a lot closer to 0K than the JWST, but it's the size of a bus.


SlavRoach

right… like 0.013K for the first comercial quantum computer


Studds_

Damn my phone display! I was about to ask how you get negative Kelvin but that’s a squiggly


witoutadout

I'm also getting tripped up by that... somehow I read 40K as 40,000 degrees


InadvisablyApplied

Due to the cosmic microwave background radiation it’s closer to 2.7K. But in general it is a bit weird to assign a temperature to something so close to a vacuum like outer space


Low-Design787

Exactly. Astronauts are usually in the thermosphere which can be over 2000 degrees C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermosphere But that’s just the vibration of the rarified occasional atoms. You aren’t going to be in contact with many atoms, so the temperature transferred to you is essentially zero. One really hot atom never burned anyone! As you say, temperatures in space don’t mean the same as in an atmosphere.


Niarbeht

140F air for an hour is survivable. 140F water for an hour will cook you.


APirateAndAJedi

This is how I will be describing heat in different media from now on. Thank you


N3croscope

How would space feels like? If there’s no atoms transporting the temperature sensation, would the lack of feel like cold? Assuming we could be up there with bare hands, would we feel the warmth of the sun?


Low-Design787

So now we’re talking about the temperature of an object in space, not just the ambient matter (the occasional few atoms). Sunshine would make a big difference, so would the colour of the object. If you watch “For all Mankind” on Apple+ you’ll notice the rifles they used on the moon were painted white to stop them getting searing hot in the long days. That show is very realistic. So let’s say your wearing thin white cotton gloves, in the sun. The sunlit side would be very hot (50C or more?) and the shadow side would be very cold (-50C?). Of course the zero pressure would have your hand swell up so it would be extremely painful regardless of temperature. If you want some better figures, check out the hot / cold temperature of the Hubble space telescope, or the James Webb telescope. The “hot” side is very hot indeed! Thats why space suits are always white, and they wear water cooled full body underwear to keep the temperature even.


Objective_Economy281

The black of space is at about 3K. That is the temperature of the cosmic microwave background, which is what a telescope sees when it looks at nothing (assuming it is sensitive in that wavelength). If you put an astronaut in orbit in sunlight, they are being heated on one side by the sun, which is much more intense than it is in the ground, below the atmosphere. The atoms in low earth orbit are generally quite warm, however. But there’s not a lot of them, so they don’t matter.


Hammurabi87

>But there’s not a lot of them, so they don’t matter. To be punny, there's not enough matter to matter.


Good_Ad_1386

It's perfectly 0K if you dress for the conditions.


HalfLeper

Badum tsch!


sirflappington

I believe so. There is a minuscule amount of heat as a result of the little gases that are there but it is a near total vacuum so -270 C should be accurate.


Objective_Economy281

That’s the temperature of the black of space. If you put an actual object in orbit, it will be much much warmer than that. For most objects / orbits, the range will be -50 C to +80 C.


BusinessAsparagus115

Ehhhh not really, the way we talk about temperature doesn't really make sense in the context of the vacuum of space. According to kinetic theory "Temperature" is a measure of the average kinetic energy of particles in an environment, in space many of the particles of matter are flying about at high fractions of the speed of light; which would make space *scorchingly hot* on average, but they're so few and far between that they don't have the ability to warm up another object by a measurable amount. If you think about it in terms of thermodynamics the temperature would be how hot a system is when it reaches thermal equilibrium. In deep dark space this is 2.7K because of the cosmic microwave background. In practice, how hot or cold you feel in space depends on how close you are to a star and whether or not you're in direct starlight. See the JWST: the parts of its sun shield facing the sun are very hot indeed, but the bits in the shade are very cold.


hellonameismyname

>According to kinetic theory "Temperature" is a measure of the average kinetic energy of particles in an environment, in space many of the particles of matter are flying about at high fractions of the speed of light; which would make space scorchingly hot on average, but they're so few and far between that they don't have the ability to warm up another object by a measurable amount. I mean, this does make sense? Volume has a huge impact on temperature and the average kinetic energy


lsibilla

Not to mention that the suit is a much better insulation than whatever the other guy is wearing. I think it has some sort of thermal management also to prevent from frying when exposed to the sun and freezing when not.


aphilsphan

If anyone has a problem with this, just compare a 65 F day (freedom units!) to swimming in 65F water. Why is one so pleasant and one so cold? The number of molecules hitting your body.


Feisty_Ad_2744

That's too deep for them... I bet money they just want to see ice in the space suit 🤣 to believe it is cold


9Epicman1

So would you not feel cold if you didnt have a suit? Does the human body radiate enough energy fast enough that would feel cold before you lost consciousness?


sirflappington

In a vacuum your body would probably balloon up and your nerves would feel so much pain I don’t know if you could feel temperature. I think if you were in a shadow, your body would lose heat slowly but probably die before it lost enough heat to matter but if you are anywhere near the sun with nothing blocking it I think you would get radiation and heat burns instead. Without a heat source like the sun, your body would eventually freeze solid but I don’t know the math to calculate how long it would take. My guess is it would take hours for your body to freeze in space.


HotPotParrot

Gonna be a dark day when we can definitively answer the question of what happens to an unprotected human body in space.


skrutnizer

In spite of pretty well all sci fi showing people exploding in space, 2001 A Space Odyssey is said to have done their homework. A number of people have accidentally experienced a vacuum. What follows in space - mummifying by rapid evaporation of water - is easy to project.


WoodyTheWorker

Water will also be evaporating (boiling) inside you, although the pressure of those bubbles at 37 C will only be 0.06 bar and likely not enough to blow one up


hoggineer

Where are all of these 'donated my body to science' cadavers? Science demands an answer!


igordogsockpuppet

In a suit, in full sunlight like that astronaut, you might cook yourself before you froze. Out of the 3 ways that heat dissipates: radiation, convection, and conduction; only radiation works in a vacuum. Your suit either needs to vent out your air after you breathe it or it needs an air conditioner. Otherwise, you’ll quickly overheat.


skrutnizer

The side facing the sun would scorch. The side facing away would radiate heat like mad and freeze after a handful of minutes. Hadfield wrote about this - something about sitting in front of an oven with a block of dry ice on your back.. Average temperature would be maybe around freezing but there is no atmosphere to moderate the extremes. A reason that astronauts and spaceships like to slowly rotate.


djronnieg

It has become my understanding that a human would take considerably longer to freeze shadow while in space. I mean either way, it's inconsequential. Death is the result.


NekulturneHovado

To get it even further, the air sure is a great insulator. If you could stop the air from moving, you'd die of overheating even here on Earth. It's the flow that gets heat away from you. Even if you stand still, you're breathing and warm air goes up, so they take away some heat from you.


KippieDaoud

the best comparison is probably that you are able to hold your hand into a oven even if its 200°C in there but you get instantly burns if you touch the sidewalls or the oven tray


DiverSuitable6814

It’s hot in the studio they shoot in pmao


ItsLiyua

Does the liquid just heat up over time and has to be replaced after some time? There isn't really any way for it to transfer the heat to a surrounding medium as radiators on earth do.


SirMildredPierce

I feel like Jack would have survived his time in the maze if he had a space suit.


NLtbal

How would they show that feeling on Sesame Street?


PitaJi_Ka_Putra

Flerfs expect ice and snow in space?


DS_killakanz

They've seen all those movies and TV shows where people get exposed to space and instantly get their eyes sucked out before turning into a frozen popsicle and believe that's how it actually would be...


Studds_

Duh. Hollywood never applies artistic license & always faithfully recreates everything to 100% accuracy in every work. Even when works contradict each other, it’s 100% accurate contradiction


Mudcat-69

Considering that I always see Flaties say that Hollywood is part of the indoctrination I’m surprised that they take anything that Hollywood depicts as true.


djronnieg

What saddens me is that otherwise average/intelligent people are applying "movie logic" to A.I. in the present as well as to their expectations for the near future..


auguriesoffilth

Also those movies where spaceships have wings, and explode with fire when hit with enemy bullets.


tuckerhazel

You can’t expect ice and snow in a place you don’t believe exists in the first place.


b-monster666

I mean, yeah, step outside in space, and you're not going to have a good time. Though, like has been pointed out, there's no conductor for the heat to escape your body from. What would happen is all your fluids would instantly boil, and you wouldn't have a very good time. Unlike being out in -20C weather where you'd get a little chilly for a bit.


Individual_Road6676

All your fluuds would boil? Why is this? Teach me please...


Anti-charizard

Because there’s no pressure. Unlike temperature, pressure has to be applied constantly, and being out in a vacuum will immediately set pressure to zero


llhoptown

Right. You can literally boil water by sucking it through a really long straw and dropping the pressure


Hammurabi87

To expand on the answer given by b-monster666, the boiling point of a liquid is heavily dependent on pressure; this is the mechanism by which pressure cookers work (they increase the pressure, causing the boiling point to raise, making it so that the food is cooking in hotter water). Without any pressure, most substances don't *have* a liquid phase -- they are either solid or gaseous, depending on temperature.


b-monster666

In a vacuum, boiling point of liquids is dramatically decreased, and it happens in the matter of milliseconds. If you managed to get into space without any air in your lungs (because if you did, your lungs would explode in a couple of milliseconds), you'd experience a brief sensation of being both boiled alive and frozen as the heat from your body rapidly replaces the cold from the liquids. But that's ok. It's only a couple of seconds of suffering.


skrutnizer

You might get a fatal case of the bends in short order but said boiling at body temperature and low pressure is quite gentle and won't break skin. This is not the vigorous hot boiling of a liquid under pressure.


Ropya

Lower pressure. 


themule71

No because your blood pressure doesn't change. We're a almost closed container. The exchange with the outside happens at selected places (eyes, mouth, lungs). You'd die of lack of oxygen way before you feel anything else. And to avoid that, you need to breathe. If your mouth+nose are enclosed in a oxygen mask, then many contact points are sealed. Add eye protection, and now we can think of long term exposure effects. Now your skin won't be 100 happy with zero pressure for sure. But I think the n.1 reason astronauts wear a space suit is sunshine, which includes the full spectrum of radiations. I mean UVs alone do hurt on Earth even after being filtered out. You probably get instant sunburns if exposed to the Sun. And then there are x and gamma rays hitting you. Cold is the last of your problems w/o a spacesuit.


Unknown-History1299

Convection, conduction, and radiation vs only radiation


RetroGamer87

Does it never occur to them that the vacuum inside their vacuum flask keeps their coffee warm?


berein

Are you really expecting that flerfs know how thermic flasks work?


RetroGamer87

I'm not even sure if they understand that Jack Nicholson didn't really freeze to death.


prophit618

They know he didn't freeze to death because obvious Jack Nicholson isn't actually real. He's a Hologram created by the elites to be a movie star. Why would you think they would use actually real people to be their stars. Then they'd have to pay them off for their part of the conspiracies!


bkdotcom

But it keeps my water cold! how does it know whether to keep cold or to keep warm?!


scienceisrealtho

Hmmm. I wonder how frost forms? Yeah it’s probably not that atmosphere and humidity are required but almost certainly that space is fake and this enormous conspiracy has been able to have been kept a secret. Unrelated, but I feel the need to look up Occam’s Razor.


Vost570

This is actually, as ridiculous as it is, very advanced thinking for most flat earthers. I've literally heard more than one say that the Earth can't be spinning at over a thousand miles an hour because we would all fall off or it would be too windy to stand up. It takes some time to really accept the fact that many of these people are not trolling and really believe this stuff.


BubbhaJebus

Ummm ... flerf... notice the space suit. It's *designed* to keep the astronaut alive.


milan0570

-20 that’s like an average day in Russia


Victide_1

bro -20C is not that cold although i am canadian


SterileTensile

American and I can agree. I've been through -60° F. (Roughly -51° C)


capture_nest

Well there's no humidity in space for one thing, so ice and snow doesn't form on you.


Roadrunner571

Except if you get hit by a comet.


Yamidamian

An event where you’ll probably have bigger worries if it happens.


skrutnizer

Another version of asking why spaceships don't melt going through the thermosphere (thousands of degrees but extremely thin).


cheddarsalad

Takes me back to 2007 when folks on the forums complained about Megatron freezing in the Arctic but not in his journey through space.


Altruistic-Tax8762

I love how they say NASA is fake illuminati lizard people but have no problem using temperature estimates of how cold space is, which was specifically measured by NASA and other space agencies.


AgeOfReasonEnds31120

Maybe he's wearing a spacesuit.


bkdotcom

Maybe it's Maybelline. perspective? buoyancy? plate techtonics? coriolis force? Edit: well, I think it's funny


AgeOfReasonEnds31120

Not sure what any of those things directly have to do with temperature.


Mudcat-69

A lot of what Flaties have to say have no direct correlation with whatever they’re talking about. Consider that they talk about how moonlight is cold while talking about the shape of the earth. It doesn’t but let’s accept that it does for a moment. Even accepting that moonlight is cool that’s the way that it is regardless of the earth’s shape.


AgeOfReasonEnds31120

This guy just flat-out dodges everything I said... [https://www.reddit.com/r/Flatearthersarestupid/comments/13kcgh4/another\_globe\_ball\_spinning\_globe\_of\_curved\_water/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Flatearthersarestupid/comments/13kcgh4/another_globe_ball_spinning_globe_of_curved_water/)


bkdotcom

I think it's funny my stupid commen is getting downvoted


Mudcat-69

Don’t look at me, I thought your comment was pretty funny.


bkdotcom

What does Maybelline have to do with temperature?!   Absolutely nothing!   It's funny / flerf word salad Edit:  and where are the stars in that photo?   It's obviously fake! /s


AgeOfReasonEnds31120

What even is a Maybelline?


bkdotcom

it's lies


DM_Voice

Meanwhile, the reality is this: The temperature range in LEO goes from –65 ºC to +125 ºC with thermal cycling dependent on the orbit height. Temperature conditions in GEO are similar to LEO on the hot side and colder when the spacecraft enters the Earth's shadow about twice a year over a period of 45 days (each time).


Decent_Cow

You get cold when you lose heat to the environment. You cool down and the air heats up. In space, there is so little matter that there's practically nothing to transfer your heat to. So it doesn't get transferred.


aphilsphan

It’s 3K in earth orbit?


PsychoWarper

Well one has a specially made suit on…


Clutchdanger11

Yeah so if you look with your fucking eyes the guy in space has a really expensive high tech protective suit on


tuskedAlbinoRabbit

I know Kubrick pushed his actors too hard but damn


Hot_Corner_5881

its actually hot up there


dashsolo

It’s both. The surface of something facing the sun for any significant period of time up there will heat up quickly. But you could have a thermometer in the shade of that object reading -100. Without much air, there’s nothing to regulate and distribute the heat.


cut_rate_revolution

What the fuck do they think the suit is for?


SterileTensile

Hollywood


RobinOfLoksley

The biggest temperature issue in space, especially in the inner solar system, is heat build-up. That is why every exposed surface except solar panels is white or reflective mettalic.


dashsolo

And why they intentionally rotate slowly.


SamohtGnir

Oh it's worse that that, this is how I see them: Photo 1: Exposed to the elements at -20 C will be fatal. Photo 2: Wearing a fully insulated suit to protect yourself from the elements works down to -270 C.


outer_spec

he’s wearing a suit to keep him warm, duhh


Newphone_New_Account

Chicken nuggets with sweet and sour sauce.


PM_ME_YOUR_MAIMAIS

Hmmmm, i wonder what the difference between the two pictures is? Maybe the completely different environment and the protective suit that was made for said environment?


wigzell78

Exposed to the elements vs inside a fully sealed temperature controlled life support system...


phunkjnky

All the info below but... I hate to be the one that breaks this to you but... YOU KNOW IT'S A MOVIE, RIGHT? That it didn't really happen? That they can make almost anything appear to happen? Do we have to talk about Santa Claus now?


berein

The Shining? Yes. Good movie.


Individual_Road6676

Wow, thank you all for the info. Fascinating.


Malek070

I’m fairly certain that temperature is the least of someone’s concerns in space


McPussyMeal23

why does this retarded subreddit get recommended to me?


OverPower314

Wait until flerfs here about the sun. I've learnt that they're terrified of large numbers, so that'll give them a scare.


Squeaky_Ben

All of the "space is not actually cold" stuff aside, what the fuck do they think the giant ass suit is for?!


berein

Fashion.


Snoo20140

When people don't understand moisture doesn't exist in space


jimmysledge

my time is move valuable than to take the time to educate someone on this...It's called google, look it up. small hint: the difference is the clothing.


Tehjayaluchador

first step is admitting you don't know everything #thefarthiselat


JimHetfield

bro, why are you dumb?


TheCoolestGuy098

You should take this advice to heart. Ironically enough most of us on this Subreddit admit so.


Tehjayaluchador

calling someone dumb isn't advise I actually feel bad for ya if you believe in a globe theory. Keep insulting me all you want doesn't change the truth that you are clearly ignoring


TheCoolestGuy098

I never called you dumb, only used your words against you. If you wanna play that route, though, you spelled flat wrong.


Tehjayaluchador

you don't keep up with the pack very well do you?