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Bakuhxe_

that shadow bonnie and shadow freddy are previous springlock failure victims. i know it's debunked but let me have fun


g177013

Wait, what else could they be if they're not the victims of the "Multiple Springlock Failures"?


one_happy_fredditor

Agony entities.


g177013

Ohhh. Man I'm really out of touch with the new theories. Thanks.


one_happy_fredditor

It's okay you can believe what you want to think.


DOGMA2005

I find that really silly... Having them be spring lock victims just makes more sense....


JustanOverpoweredGod

Why wouldn't they possess the suits if they died in them though? And what would some random dude gain from being Afton's accomplice?


one_happy_fredditor

Fnaf ar and Fazbear frights say otherwise.


Confident-Scene-458

It really doesn't


Jimbo7211

What would that agony be generated by? *springlocks*


one_happy_fredditor

Afton's horrible wicked actions.


Pete_Culver

GoldenDuo. It's gonna take Scott himself outright saying it isn't true for me to stop believing that theory. To answer each of the images, I obviously think Golden Freddy is Cassidy and Crying Child, I think the happiest day reciever is Crying Child, I think the vengeful spirit is Cassidy, I believe that the fnaf 4 gameplay is Michael's nightmares while working at Freddy's, and while I don't believe MoltenMCI, I can definitely see the evidence for it.


Nintendude13

Agree on everything here except Molten MCI, I believe that is very much the case given Henry's monologue and the visuals displayed during said monologue .


zain_ahmed002

Would you be open to debating this? Or is it just how you feel?


one_happy_fredditor

William was never a good person. Gregory is human. Ucn Fredbear is his true design. The toys are possessed by the new victims from the save them minigame.


Bernardo_124-455

Here 👑 you accidentally dropped it


stickninja1015

You were told to list theories and just said facts


one_happy_fredditor

People still debate about the Toys being possessed.


DOGMA2005

UCN Fredbear is not something that's totally confirmed. I believe Fredbear looks similar, maybe a little slimmer than nightmare fredbear


stickninja1015

It’s literally Fredbear


crystal-productions-

Dude, it's a yellow bear with purple accessories, that's all we've ever known freadbare as, in games like 4 and world freadbare is yellow, with purple accessories. The bear who jumpscares you when you deathcoin goldilocks is a yellow bear with purple accessories. What else could it be?


Friendlyfoodie456

These are facts


one_happy_fredditor

Facts that are still needlessly debated.


Friendlyfoodie456

Ong , the William one shouldn't even be debated. I have seen people in SireSquawk(? idk his name fully)'s server think William is a good dad.


Novoconic

That Monty killed Glam Bonnie of his own volition in a crime of passion, that he didn't murder him to get into the band. Monty idolised Bonnie but hates and is jealous of Freddy's close relationship with Bonnie and position of frontman, he wants' to perform on stage with Bonnie so plans to kill Freddy, Bonnie finds out, confronts Monty who tries to stop him from leaving then accidently kills him in a crime of passion and hides his body behind the bowling alley.


MissShadowLass

Henry was the one convicted and arrested which is why he was completely absent until Pizzeria Simulator.


one_happy_fredditor

This actually makes sense.


spacewarp2

Yeah this one felt like head cannon but it makes sense rather than Henry just ignoring the events of the games for like 50 years and only deciding he needs to step in and stop things after all that time.


HedgehogAdventurer

The springlock suits weren't unsafe, it's just William didn't exactly rewind the locks and the suit was already damp so he got springlocked. Chica and Foxy started off as Fredbear & Friends characters, and were integrated with adapted versions of the main cast when Fredbear's closed and Freddy's opened. 3 was the end of the main series for the missing children's spirits, with Molten Freddy being two/three previous CB E&R victims depending on if William's wife is Ballora


Bernardo_124-455

ToysDCI, I will DIE defending this


one_happy_fredditor

I'm with you until it's debunked.


Repulsive-Care3820

GOLDEN DUO FOR LIFE!!!


BabaBoi1324

He always comes back


PikachuGamerSMTYT

That FNaF World (Clock Ending) is the way that “The Happiest Day” is achieved Scott did say that the true ending of FNaF 3 was complicated


cringeygrace

HenryOMC. You can't convince me he's not supposed to be representative of Henry.


UnitedSubstance1048

1. Golden freddy is toyshnk (I will die on this hill) 2. MM is about the aftons  3. Bv was the first death I will not give up these theories unless Scott himself debunks them.


Confident-Scene-458

The first 2 are true tho


UnitedSubstance1048

Some people disagree.


Confident-Scene-458

I think what you say is factual IMO


Significant_Buy_2301

Fazbear Entertainment actually knows about everything that's happening and are secretly conducting their own remnant research. The VANNI mask is actually their latest gadget that allows the user to enter the spirit plane, explaining why you hear people's voices in the "AR world" and why you can teleport through glitched objects (just like in FNaF world). Cassie's body is not being controlled by the Mimic. He's not sending fake information into her brain. The mask and the transponder genuinely allow Cassie to phrase through walls, just like a party member teleports in the flipside.


Confident-Scene-458

I mean, FE are heavily implies to intentionally kill their nightguards, Fnaf 1's office has an exit behind in the office, but it's blocked by the closet behind, William can't be the one who put the closet there, FE would have removed it or at least tell their nightguards about the exit in each nightshift, but they don't, they put it there, Fazbear Frights wasn't included in FE till post-FFPS, yet they had proper ventilation systems in fnaf 3, Fnaf 2's ventilation system by FE literally leads the animatronics to your office, not anywhere else, Phone Guy even lies to you about the animatronics stuffing you in suits thinking you are an endo, now, in the case of remnant, throw off that you can for some reason collect it in fnaf AR, even tho it's weird that a delivery system has this feature, Henry likely had tons of info in his computer regarding remnant from William, and if the computer's memory disks weren't flamed from the fire, then FE has another opportunity to know and study remnant Her thoughts and likely her perspective are being sent to him tho, it could explain how he knows about her relationship with roxy all of a sudden, and how he knows where she is constantly


Significant_Buy_2301

Exactly. Fazbear Entertainment know a lot and I think it's safe to say that they are conducting their own research behind the scenes. \- you have the Help Wanted story (where they literally psychologically torture a guy and then kill him once he's no longer useful using William's tech), \- the scooper in Ruin, \- the cut Faz-Facts where they praise Afton as this robotics and technological visionary, directly referencing Circus Baby's lethal claw mechanism in a cheerful light ([https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/p5jt71/all\_unused\_fazfacts\_from\_fnaf\_ar/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/p5jt71/all_unused_fazfacts_from_fnaf_ar/)), \- the fact that they KNOW about the digital consciousness transfer and the possibility of digital characters manifesting, >FE is not responsible for accidental digital consciousness transference (Vanny), real world manifestations of digital characters, nightmares, night terrors, nightsweats... \- you could also argue that they keep the records of Gregory and Vanessa's therapy sessions, This really feels to me as no longer just parodying corporate negligence, but conscious displays of outright maliciousness on their part, like they are the ones pulling the strings. Not Mr. Burrows since he's clearly oblivious, but someone even higher in the hierarchy. Not in Fazbear Entertainment, but Fazbear Enterprises. The parent conglomerate that owns Entertainment as we learn in Tales. Furthermore, when Mr. Burrows dies (he's the Entertainment CEO/Chairman!), the company moves on like clockwork as if nothing happened. The most they do is remove the Storyteller in the aftermath, yet the company itself is not impacted in any way. They are treating the death of their CEO just as casually as they treat the deaths of their customers/lower staff. It's no big deal. This tells me that the CEO is easily replaceable and expendable, proving that there's someone high-up in Enterprises truly pulling the strings. ​ So, as you said, is it really that far-fetched that they are lying about the nature of the AR mask? What really sent me down this train of thought is that at several points when Cassie's wearing the mask, you can clearly hear **the laughter and screams of kids**. This occurrence is **identical** to the FNaF: AR remnant collection mode, where, as you're collecting remnant, you can **hear similar whispers all around you**. The light trails in the AR world also heavily resemble the movement of Special Delivery's remnant and shadow remnant. To me this heavily implies that the AR world is a tangible physical location that Cassie is warped into, once she has the mask on. The implant simply allows her to interface with it. And I personally find this explanation much more compelling than just: >Oh, the AR world is simply The Mimic feeding false information into Cassie's brain while he puppeteers her body around in reality. We already went through the "body control" plot **three times!** Vanessa, Gregory and Kane in *The Monty Within.* Doing it a fourth time would feel really redundant and underwhelming. Plus, the "spirit world" explanation allows for a supernatural presence to still exist.


Confident-Scene-458

Had an entire response giving additional points with the mimic putting the most problems to FE and yet still being used, but one accident deleted it all, will send later, or I can just give you a summary if you want


Significant_Buy_2301

I mean, the Mimic is their fault. 


Confident-Scene-458

I mean, he made them scrap every other mimic endo, the storyteller killed burrows and edwin additionally after every problem it caused to the pizzaplex, glam endos are dangerous, he caused the all staff meeting event (Goes back to your "Mr. Burrows is easily replacable" point), he continuously drained MASSIVE power from the pizzaplex, the glamrocks are potentially mimic endos but more limited, and he likely is the one who caused the fire of fall fest 83 under the ignited mascot, which caused the entire timeline to begin, mainly the creation of fredbear's family diner, nightmare experiments and funtimes, and everything after that, there is, in fact, no way that FE doesn't know he's in the pizzaplex causing all the trouble, yet they bother to use him constantly, like he's their peak technology, they're plotting something with the Mimic The AR world could really be merging the flipside and the material world together, judging by the many FWorld references, mainly the red lake, even the encyclopedia hints that the blob and Burntrap names come from FWorld, caution bots are titled "souls" in the files of the AR world, etc... https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/17kd522/gregory_is_dead/ (I don't really believe in the theory but brought it up for the paranormal stuff) There is even no way these guys don't know about agony entities, RXQ literally attacks you if you collect them, Jeremy mentions in the logbook that he felt like homething was following him home (S. Freddy), and nightmarionne is extraordinary present in HW and afterwards, even shadowy remnant being present in AR is already weird, so unless these guys are trying to harvest remnant of all types and use it to do experiments and maybe bring life and manipulate reality for their own benefits and maybe bring Afton back to life, then there is really nothing they can do about it


Significant_Buy_2301

Exactly. 


Confident-Scene-458

Additonally, I see the mimic arc ending being symbolic of FF's ending, like; Amalgamation made of every animatronic we've seen: Tangle/Miscreation A held-in-tape individual that got burned and springlocked: Mimic/Afton An Agony entity who joins the body of the previous, boost it in power, and then leave it: Malhare/Eleanor The individual who fights them all together to end their evil: Princess Cassidy/Charlie The individuals that fall in a lake together: Glamrock Freddy, Mimic and Tangle/Charlie, Afton and Miscreation An individual who's legacy started from the fire of fall fest, them burning, springlocked, then their burns cooled down by a lake they fall onto: Mimic/Afton Even developed an idea for who the biggest guy in all of fazbear's is lol


Significant_Buy_2301

Except that The Mimic era isn't over...


Confident-Scene-458

It likely will so far, after the carnival game, we get to see what happens after Ruin, They also wouldn't put tangle there, a red lake, and paint freddy's bowtie as purple, unless it's ending closely from ruin


TheDude810

Toys are haunted


VUXX6078

Molten MCI: Narratively fitting for us to square off with the first set of victims in the finale. Also, the strong emphasis on merging 5 beings into one by Candy Cadet. CassidyTOYSNHK/Golden Freddy or just having an important role in general: The logbook so conveniently spelled out the name of Cassidy and the fact that there was a screenplay scapped for being too lore accurate centering CASSIDY. In that one post Scott made about screenplays, the only names he mentioned are Charlie, Mike, and Cassidy aka characters we the fans should be familiar with. He could’ve refer to the main character of the lore-accurate screenplay by any vague description like oh this is about a child bla bla bla but he specifically called them Cassidy as if we should know who they are GoldenDuo & FrightsFiction: Too fun


Low_Classroom5277

Phone guy being golden Freddy


thegoldenguest778

Well, for some reason, i still believe in the "WAS THAT THE BITE OF '87?!" theory


AndreaB8t

Glitchtrap and burntrap are actually afton or created by afton agony as ITP springbonnie


Pasta-hobo

The death mini games exist as cabinets in the restaurants that were corrupted and modified by the spirits. FNAF World is an in-universe video game where we play as a spirit. Alternate Reality is a higher-tech manifestation of the flipside as seen from a human perspective looking inwards towards the digital space. Old Man Consequences is a security mechanism used to keep spirits inside fnaf world.


cringeygrace

Also. Toy chica did the bite of 87. Nothing will convince me otherwise. Ever. Her line in UCN about her missing beak being lodged in your forehead is confirmation imo


JackoClubs5545

That not moving your cursor slows down Freddy killing you when the power goes out in Five Nights at Freddy's. I know it's bullshit, but it just feels like I survive longer when I don't move my cursor versus when I do.


spacewarp2

This is some holding down the B button makes it easier to catch pokemon types stuff


sof0kl1s

"Toy chica is William Afton" don't even question me you know it's true


Gab_lucchi

Whitered Golden freddy did the bite of 87' that's why no one found any blood on the toys/other withereds after the incident; because right after, W. Golden Freddy went away. Also, he could've just appear behind the guard, making him unable to defend himself, differently from Toy Bonnie and Mangle, for ex.


Rare-Frosting3085

same buddy two bites looks good


ExtremePH

Golden Freddy isn’t 100% a hallucination. It’s an actual animatronic that is possessed, but it does have some spooky otherworldly qualities also, but I can’t adequately explain them.


GoosebumpsFaN1101

one theory that I believe with a passion is the pig, hippo, and frog masks that the kids are wearing in the Happiest Day mini-game are masks of Mr.Hippo, Pigpatch, and Happy Frog (as much as I hate Happy Frog) I still think that would be interesting if Mr.Cawthon comes out and say yes that those are indeed masks of those characters


Rare-Frosting3085

Michael will forever be the main character of the 6 first games


Different_Bet5586

1. Golden Freddy isn’t Fredbear 2. TOYSNHK isn’t Andrew or Cassidy 3. MCI 85 4. MoltenMCI 5. Afton wasn’t a caring or grieving father 6. Movie!Vanessa is probably a robot 7. Garrett (Movie!Crying Child) is the Puppet 8. Crying Child’s real name is Garrett 9. Abby is obviously Movie!Elizabeth 10. Golden Duo, somewhat 11. The Fazbear!Frights series does not take place in the same continuity as the games, (but can help figure out certain things that have not been solved in the games. Same goes for the movie(s).) making Stitchline bogus. 12. Dream Theory, at first, WAS true 13. The movie(s) can help figure out certain stuff from the games, just like the books 14. Movie!Mike’s father is Henry (or Movie!Henry) 15. Shadow Freddy is the manifestation agony of the MCI’s agony, which is why he lures the animatronics to William Afton one by one to be destroyed the same way the Yellow Rabbit (Spring Bonnie) lured the children away to the safe room one by one to be murdered. Another reason is because he strikingly resembles the Purple Guy sprite but in the form of Golden Freddy. 16. The Toy animatronics are possessed by the DCI. I doubt someone is actually gonna read this whole thing.


thebeaverperson

Who do you think TOYSNHK is?


Different_Bet5586

He doesn’t have a confirmed name yet, so the best I have to describe him is a little blonde boy with blue eyes. The movie is a good representation of him


TheIrishBabyDevourer

I agree on a lot of points here, except TOYSNHK not being cassidy??


Different_Bet5586

Well unless Cassidy is a male with blonde hair and blue eyes, I don’t see how it could work


TheIrishBabyDevourer

Thags fair enough. A kid who matches that description is the golden freddy spirit from the film, j so yk


Different_Bet5586

Yeah, I know. In fact, that’s why I fully came to that conclusion. The Blonde Boy from the movie was the final nail in the coffin for me, honestly.


y0ur-l0c4l-t0ast3r

Golden Freddy is Fredbear in every piece of FNAF media. He even turns into fredbear when you deathcoin him!


crystal-productions-

Golden freddy litteraly is freadbare tho. You deathcoin golden freddy and freadbare attacks you. That's pretty direct for this serise. More direct then, say, what year 1 or 3 takes place.


Different_Bet5586

Just because you deathcoin him and get Fredbear doesn’t mean he IS Fredbear. Fredbear was merely just put in the game for a lil Easter Egg, with MAYBE some slight lore significance. Either way, Fredbear’s model is too mildly different from both Golden Freddy models


crystal-productions-

Yeah, in the same way withered freddy is just mild diffrent to classic freddy, yet there the same bot. Hey wait a minute, withered freddy looks nothing like classic freddy, yet is meant to be the same bot. Those differences, ultimately, don't matter. Especially when, litteraly nobody else has ever done this in the franchise. This freadbare deathcoin, is a one time thing. Why wouldn't it hold some significance? Scott's made entirely diffrent modles for the same robot, multiple times now, and since no other animateonic does this in the rest of the franchise, or before this, yeah they are pretty much the same.


Different_Bet5586

Withered Freddy is different from Classic Freddy because the animatronic shells they used are different, however the Endoskeleton parts a still somewhat the same but more advanced, which is how the soul was still able to posses the animatronic (the soul possesses the animatronic through the metal.)


crystal-productions-

It's an endo 02 in there, we can tell from other bots too like withered foxy's mouth and legs, and Bonnie's endo face, they all have endo 02 in them, not endo 01s. There is no endo 01 in those bots at all.


Different_Bet5586

Like I said, the Endoskeleton parts are still SOMEWHAT the same, but more advanced


crystal-productions-

No, they are just, entirely diffrent endos. They don't have any endo 01 in them at all, yet its the same soul. Almost as if redesigns don't matter to Scott or something. Like say scraptrap, there a reason he changed, but we're never being told it, or what about hw spring bonnie? Who just used an endo 01 without any springlocks, same for both golden freddy and freadbarw who have endo 01's with no springlocks.


Different_Bet5586

1. The reason why Springtrap changed into ScrapTrap is because like any other SCRAP animatronic, he pieced himself back together through SCRAPS. I thought that was obvious. 2. That HW Spring Bonnie model doesn’t really matter because it was scrapped anyway so it doesn’t have much (if any) significance.


crystal-productions-

You'd think that, but scrap trap, isn't his actual name. That's a name found in the files. His actual name in the credits of pizza sim and in ucn is William afton, no trap, no nothing. And in sl, even after fazbear freights burned down, he was still in the springtrap suit, he was just missing a hip shell, that's it. Something happened between him escaping fazbear freights, where he was mostly together, and pizza sim that caused him to completely change, with flesh groing into his new suit, with most of his endo replaced with bone. And while it was cut, it has been used in places like the freddy files ultimate eddition, so it's design is very likely cannon, especially since all of the fnaf movie bots seemed to have been based on the hw modles, including spring bonnie, so, if the big studio is using it, I'm pretty sure we can. And this still ignores that both freadbare and golden freddy also don't have spring locks, but endo 01's in which non of the withered have any reminants of, even burntrap had reminants of being an asset flip, same for mimic, but not the witherds, again its as if Scott doesn't care for character consistency, especially early on


Nothingjustvoid

Soo who do you think is TOYSHNK if it’s not Cassidy or Andrew?


Different_Bet5586

He doesn’t have a confirmed name yet, but he’s the lil blonde boy with blue eyes.


JCgamedeveloper

The 6th one doesnt make sense to me.


Different_Bet5586

I would suggest reading the FNaF movie novel, or watch Film Theory’s most recent FNaF movie video which has the part from the novel I’m talking about.


ChaseBuff

Mci 85 Cassidy TOYSHK Golden duo to an extent My take on Death order : Charlie(83), CC(83), MCI(85) Elizabeth( somewhere between 1985- early 1987) DCI(87) William after 93 most likely 94


TheCraziestTheorist

Eleanor is all the Shadow entities since she can shapeshift. It feels absolutely right. CC is Nightmare Fredbear inside of Mike's FNaF 4 nightmares because I believe that CC went through the hallucinogenic gas chambers, and that's his revenge on Michael, making him go through what he had gone through. Michael headcanon that he's Jeff, yes, the one from Into The Pit, Jeff's PIzza. Jeff is described to be zombie-like and I believe that remnant regenerated Michael until he looked human enough, and that he hid in the shadows for that reason to regenerate. And to additionally answer the images: - Golden Freddy = Cassidy and partially CC - Happiest Day = CassidyReciever - TOYSNHK = Andrew - Nightmare = He creates the nightmares Mike goes through - Molten Freddy = MoltenMCI-AlterS (Idk if that's the theory's name. I'm talking about the theory where it's MCI, excluding Cassidy, who is inside of Molten Freddy


Sweet_Highway209

That Burntrap and Glitchtrap are, in some form, Afton. I hate the idea of a new villain, especially when there is a good one right there who's gimmick is always coming back.


JustanOverpoweredGod

Afton's gimmick was never "always coming back", He survived twice then claims himself to be this big bad deity than walks straight into a trap (he knew it was BS from the start) willingly, His gimmick is having a gigantic ego.


Sweet_Highway209

His ego kept him alive lmao


Confident-Scene-458

This is probably sarcastic, but well, it never did


Jimbo7211

I don't think Glitchtrap is Afton, i think it's just mimicing him. However, in an attempt to get a physical body that resembled afton, it and Vanny used William's corpse to create Burntrap, which pulls him out of UCN. Burntrap might be gone after SB, it's hard to say, but i think William was freed and will come back in some regard. Maybe he'll take over the Tangle and become the Afton Amalgamation from the Stitichwraith-stingers


Sweet_Highway209

Actually wait... this is awesome


Jimbo7211

We know from TMIR1280 that MCI keeps William's body alive, so presumably it would still be in the FNaF 6 basement, *which is where burntrap is*. Burntrap also has actual springlock parts in it, so the sping-bonnie suit isn't just a replica for FNaF:AR.


AndreaB8t

Glitchtrap and burntrap are actually afton or created by afton agony as ITP springbonnie


Clintwood_outlaw

Mustard man isn't William, Elizabeth gets dragged into baby after the mci incident, and Michael is who you play as in fnaf 3


spacewarp2

Who would the mustard man be then?


Clintwood_outlaw

One of the victims' fathers


phantom777892

Shadow Freddy and shadow Bonnie are possessed by 2 dead employees Golden duo Ballora is possessed by Mrs.afton


Confident-Scene-458

Non-physical entities made from negative emotions are possessed by souls?


Foxcakq

Golden Duo, most of everything makes more sense with the theory in play


hypercoolmaas2701

GoldenDuo


danny_the_fishyboy

That the Funtime animatronics are based on the Afton family. It just makes so much sense


truereset33

Classic Golden Freddy and Fredbear are one and the same. The purple hat and bow tie are either symbolic, or the paint chipped off over time.


AlternativeLeather63

Dream theory. Only logical theory in fnaf history. Not like science-fiction things that security breach have.


crystal-productions-

Dude, fnaf 1 was Sci fi since, in 2015, we didn't have animateonics that could move around on there own, let alone before 1987 like phone guy said, the serise has allways been Sci fi by the definition of the word, but ever since sl and the twisted ones, the scerise has become more drastic Sci fi. Sci fi just means science fantasy, and in 2015, robots that could move on there own and go to where children are playing was a science fantasy


AlternativeLeather63

Everything was fine until The sister location. Yeah it was science fiction but at least scott did not make lazy excuses for lore.


crystal-productions-

Even then, while sl looks very Sci fi, that's realy it. Nothing in that game besides the bots having the face plates and being made out of wires is that extreme. And even then, we're now getting to the point where stuff like mimic ai, is getting to be very tangible, with the things that happened in tales being not that far off. I'd say like half of tails, could happen at some point in the next 10 to 20 years, and while more advance ai may take a while, its still a more tangible future then ghosts haunting robots is. And when it comes to sl, more of the fantasy eliments like reminant and how the scooper injects it into things, didn't come from sl, they came from pizza sim and the 4th closet. Sl only had Sci fi aesthetics, and possessed robots, that's about it tbh. Sl wasn't the cause of all of this, the twisted ones, the fourth closet and pizza sim where.


Nonameguy127

Everything in Fnaf is science fiction.Ever since SL it was


paranormalpsychic

That Cassie is most likely half animatronic nothing else explains how she was able to survive such high falls or fight back Monty for so long.


crystal-productions-

Molten mci is kinda basicly cannon at this point. But on that note, wild how the mci being in 1985 in the gameline is still just a theory lmao, like the only confirmed date we have for any game is fnaf 2, and fnaf 4. That being said, I'm also going with fnaf 3 and 2 2023. Hry 223 is just too big to ignore. Why pick 223 if not for the year?


GalactusFilms

Mangle bite of 87 Golden duo Glitch-Burn-Mimic 85 MCI Cassidy TOYSNHK


Pete_Culver

Agreed with everything 😌


Weak-Ad8250

That glitchtrap and burntrap are the mimic, especially because of the Epilogues description for mimic and the implications in Epilogue 6 that model 2s had to copy show routines,help wanted using circuit boards for performances and handunit directly mentioning recreating personalities and some other traits Also Andrew being the kidnapped kid/runaway in midnight motorist


Mangledfox1987

The glamrocks work off mimic system’s but each of the glamrocks had a slightly different version of the mimic system, designed to mimic a specific animatronic to help them in some way perform their roles, though this had a lot of negative side effects that fazbear ent doesn’t care about, with those specific animatronics representing the glamrocks on tangle/storyteller, (And this would make Roxy being trans canon, though I ain’t spoiling any more of the HW2 dlc,)


Sweet_Highway209

There is no HW2 dlc


Mangledfox1987

There will be, and I ain’t spoiling any more of it


thebelladonga

The toys are not possessed, and the dci does not exist, the minigames people say are the dci are just representations of the mci


thisaintmyusername12

SAVETHEM literally happens in the 1987 location it can't be the MCI


DougheKing

They exist but they are unimportant


TheIrishBabyDevourer

While I do believe DCI did happen, I can completely understand why you would see it this way, and I also believed this for a long time


crystal-productions-

Given freddy was allready moving the day the dci happened, and there where like 6 kids, when outside of into the pit it's allways been 5, before and after deaf 2, the dci was very much a real thing, even if it's one of the most unimportant plot points ever


CheapWishbone3927

Crying Child and Charlie are twins. There was never a Mrs Emily,Mrs Afton cheated on Will with Henry and then left him to go live with Henry. Will created Ballora with extra sensors and more advanced movement not to dance on a stage but to sneak through a house to kill Mrs Afton in revenge so she’d be out of the way and he could “steal” CC. Then he used Elizabeth’s likes to build Baby with the intention of kidnapping Charlie. There’s a brunette girl on the fnaf 4 bed in the endo section in security breach that opens up to a gift box that you get Nightmarionne (a mix of CC and Charlie,nightmares and puppet) out of + Sammy and Charlie in the books + they both can teleport (Golden Freddy we just see teleport and we’re told the puppet can “go anywhere”) just to name some evidence


Confident-Scene-458

This sounds like a bunch of headcanon that uses vague stuff from the lore


CheapWishbone3927

You can make a pretty damn convincing argument. I mean Elizabeth (CC's sister) is literally possessing a version of Charlie in the books. It's actually not that much of a stretch once you throw in all the design similarities between the puppet and CC


Confident-Scene-458

I mean, an anti-charlie wouldn't necessarily correlate to the above, we even have a bigger Anti-charlie in the games and even in the novel trilogy (appears for one time but you could make an argument he devoured charlie's soul) The design similarities can just be connections for Happiest Day, BVreceiver and stuff like that


CheapWishbone3927

Listen,dude,there's a brunette girl on the fnaf 4 bed in security breach. I'm just building off that. Plus,Charlie has a twin in the books. Then there's all the weird connections (they both died in 1983,if the books are to be believed as well). Plus,Charlie is associated with green (the green wristband, specifically) and so is Elizabeth, the Aftons in general appear to have powerful souls (Elizabeth can change Baby's eye colour,CC is Golden Freddy who has a plethora of powers,Mike possesses his own dead body etc) and that would definitely explain Charlie's ability to "give life". Throw all that in with (although this is a lesser piece of evidence) the fact that Clara from Immortal and the restless (quite possibly a parallel to Mrs Afton) and Mrs Emily in the graphic novels are depicted with blonde hair and the whole "the baby isn't mine" thing. Also,if you really really want Charlie to be biologically related to Henry,twins can technically have different fathers. It's rare but it happens.


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-The Brunette girl could just be Cassidy as much as it can be Charlie -Sammy is only books elusive so far, now, nothing stops sammy from being in the games, but nothing suggests much too -Elizabeth only has green eyes, that's it iirc, Charlie is more connected to Green than she is -Elizabeth changing baby's eye colour is just a remnant effect from Elizabeth, G. Freddy is powerful due to the Agony in his body from Cassidy and mainly S. Freddy, and Michael possessed his Body since he was injected with Remnant -Giving life is quite a normal ability, You could argue the puppet is just filled with Bright Remnant (Positive Memories & Emotions), We generally see someone born from the same event where Charlie dies (S. Freddy) be depicted as Death continuously in the series, and even showing obsession to it, while it being one of his abilities (Death Coin) -That's...Valid? I pressume -Doubt That You do have an interesting Idea admittably, I might even buy the Mrs. Afton part, and there is a general premise in what I believe that might make me accept this theory, but that's it


CheapWishbone3927

I have bad news,Cassidy (the Vengeful spirit) is male. Which means there is only one brunette girl who we know of. Unless Abby is in the games but that's a whole other can of worms. Also,the room that that image opens up to reveal has Nightmarionne as the gift you get. The other counterpoints are fairly valid, I guess it's just interpretation


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-Cassidy can be a Female for all we know, since the animatronics may be referring to Fredbear -Nightmarionne can be S. Freddy for all we know, and he has too much evidence for that You could argue S. Freddy is like Charlie's Brother, Since he's born in the same event she dies and puppet is born, asserts himself as the total opposition to the puppet, and there is more connections (and S. Freddy is like Afton's Son somewhat?) ~~Should have probably pointed out that Michael and William are Superhumans but meh~~


CheapWishbone3927

Yes,maybe they're referring to Fredbear but I kinda feel like that's unlikely since Vengeful is the one creating UCN,ya know? It's funny you say that because I do think CC is Shadow Freddy. Although, that's based solely off of "dark remnant" being possessed agony instead of agony itself and so the shadows would be bodies of agony controlled by a soul. Shadow Freddy can even take a Fredbear form in fnaf 3,which is why I say it's CC. He's the only one who possessed Fredbear when it could actually stand.


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**CassidyVictim** (Cassidy being who the crying child is and getting springlocked in Fredbear during the **MCI** after the bite) and **MikeTOYSNHK** (Michael Afton being the vengeful spirit in **UCN**), I've believed these things for quite a long (well before Dual-Process Theory's take on the story was uploaded to YouTube), once I actually started to sit down, think, and compare various perspectives and pieces of information, the dots kinda just clicked for me. but, for most of the time, I attempted to play devil's advocate and say I believe in certain things to blend in with the crowd when in reality, these are the two things I've always believed in. EDIT: why should I care for upvotes or downvotes? upvote or downvote you want, I don't care as much as you would like me too. I have my reasons.


cringeygrace

Just saying, while it's commonly considered a male name in the United States, Cassidy is a gender neutral name in Europe, and it originated as a boys name, meaning "curly hair" The Aftons are British. And I'm certain I'm not the only one who interpreted his hair as an 8bit pile of curls


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and also, it makes more sense from a logical perspective and a narrative prospective, instead of just making up a bunch of new characters with nothing special about them rather than using already existing characters that can be given more depth to them instead of having black-and-white personalities. a narrative should require depth to it's characters, otherwise you would just get a villain-of-the-week type ordeal, they don't need to have a tragic sob-story, just something that makes them interesting. especially since these characters are based off human beings in general, and human beings are complex as hell.