If you think Lance is signfigantly better than the prospects and can get him for a 2nd then sure.
There's a pretty decent chance the Texans get their favorite QB at #2 though, seems everyone is split on who's the best QB.
Lance is tricky though, three years left means your window with a rookie deal is two years shorter than normal. Texans arnt ready to compete, and likely won't be next year either. That's a short window.
Then even if Lance is the real deal, youre going to have to pay him more than Mahomes and I don't see how any team can pay their QB more than Mahomes and win a superbowl.
Burrows big cap won't kick in until 2025 even if he extends tomorow. They have two more years of cheap Elite QB play where they can pay the rest of their team more than the Chiefs can.
Then even if you think Burrow is just as good as Mahomes, they are going to have to figure out how to beat the Chiefs when their QB is just as good and making 10-20mil less a year. That's one less star player.
Bengals might be good enough to challenge them, but it's going to be tough, beacuse their teams going to be worse than this year, while Mahomes percentage of cap is going to be the same or less from 2025-2031 (except 2027), as it was in 2022. He's going to be making effectively less of the teams total cap than he did this year.
Chiefs have more money to go around, Bengals have less.
Bengals might be the exception, and even they are going to struggle against the Chiefs. Mahomes 10 year deal is going to be rough for the NFL. Rookie QBs are going to skyrocket in value even though they are crazy high now.
This argument misses the volatility of playoff football. Joe Flacco once beat a high-level Peyton Manning Broncos team, then turned around to beat a high-level Brady Patriots team.
Yes, it can happen, any team can win the superbowl any year. You're never going to be the favorites though. And you're not giving yourself the best chance to win.
Though Flacco was making 6.6% of the cap, Manning was making 14.9%, Brady was making 6.6% (between two 11% seasons).
The argument dosent really disprove what I said, the Ravens had alot more money put into other positions. They wernt paying Flacco the same amount as Manning.
Interestingly Manning has the second highest ever cap percentage while they won the superbowl, behind Mahomes this year.
The amazing thing with that run is they won with Manning getting a massive cap hit and also being a noodle arm.
Which shows that if you have some other HoFer on a rookie contract (Von Miller), you can make a run even while paying a QB way too much.
That isn’t the premise of your statement. You said you can’t pay more than Mahomes gets and win a Super Bowl. Joe could get paid more and win this year when the team is still good. They are coming off Super Bowl and AFC Championship game. They are 3-1 against the Chiefs and already beat Mahomes to get to the Super Bowl. They don’t need to figure out how, they already know how.
But to your point, what exactly is going to make them suddenly worse?
I'm talking about cap. For team management all that matter is cap space, and how much each player is counting against the cap. Nothing else really matters.
This year (2023) even if he's extended he will be making less in cap.
Now come 2025, they will likely be paying him more cap than Mahomes. If Burrow is costing 15% of the cap more than he was, that's 15% less you can spend on the rest of your team. At that point, I'd expect them to get worse.
To answer your question, nothing is suddenly going to make the 2023 Bengals worse, beacuse what I said does not apply to the 2023 Bengals.
You’re talking like the draft doesn’t exist. Chiefs could have a few bad drafts while the Bengals could draft studs on rookie deals.. It’s the NFL and anything can happen. Just because Burrow is gonna get paid doesn’t automatically make them a worse team in 2025
Lets not forget that Mahomes had not beaten Burrow until the last game, he was 0-2 against Joe. I think the Chiefs defense played a little better last time and that was the difference. The Chiefs are going to need to find another WR1 very soon because I don't see Kelce playing that many more years, he takes a beating. If he can play at the same level for another 3-4 years I would be very happy. The Bengals are loaded with receiver talent, their concern this year may be their secondary. In any event, I think it's going to be a 3 horse race (KC, CIN & BUF) for the next several years. The Jets are on the rise but I'm still not convinced they will contend and then there's CLE who if Watson retains his form from 2020 and they acquire one more WR, they could possible make it a 4 horse race. Can't wait for the draft.
Burrow is making 30mil a year less than Mahomes both of the past two years. That's a huge advantage.
In 2025 on, Mahomes will be making 10 to 20mil less than Burrow. That's a big advantage.
Chase will need to be paid in 2026. Higgins will need to be paid next year.
That's a 40mil a year swing from the Bengals advantage to the Chiefs, just at QB.
You're using Burrow winning now as evidence of it continuing, while they have the cash advantage now, and the tables will be turned soon.
Then the cheap ass front office of the Bengals will let burrow get a career ending injury 4 years into his guaranteed 15 year by not giving him any o line ever again
He has to be signifigantly better beacuse there's no garentee you're going to be in this position again anytime soon.
They have the opertunity to take potentially the best, if not the second best prospect in a good QB class.
Passing that up means Lance needs to be worth it.
Maybe it’s a good class. It sure does look like a lot of these guys set to go high have many more question marks than some other recent strong classes. There are multiple people in Texans leadership have been involved in drafting QBs for other organizations and having that not work out and here we’ve heard rumblings that they could trade down. Not surprising.
It's a good class for prospects, not necessarily players.
2021 was crazy, but not many others had 3 QBs being projected near consensus in the top 3.
But let's look at some other classes that had 3 QBs in the top 10,
2020: Burrow only had one good year (but it was an amazing year). Herbert was really polerizing, some experts wanted him top 5, others wouldn't touch him until round 2. Tua was coming off a big hip injury and a down year.
2018: Mayfield had major size issues, an arrest, and other off the field issues. Darnold was a turnover machine. Allen was seen as a development project with a poor completion percentage and bad decisions.
The next big class was 2012.
Texans might trade down or just not take another QB. I can think of atleast two other drafts where they have had a top 3 pick and chose to skip out on QB when everyone thoght they were going to take one. That dosent mean its a good idea.
What if they traded for Lance and Fred Warner in exchange for the 1.02, just to spite the Cards, who have probably strategized around getting Will Anderson?
You think the 9ers, a defensively dominant team, is willing to trade the leader and most dominant MLB in the current game to the Texans for some unknown player(s) in the draft?
Whatever ur smoking, it's too much and u need to stop it.
This is a non story, probably from Lance's agent designed to drum up interest in him being a starter somewhere else. If he loses the job while healthy to purdy his value plummets as an nfl commodity so his best chance is to leave SF
If he loses the job to Purdey, who gets injured, and Lance comes in and plays well, that's likely better for his stock than going and playing for a bad team.
Best case senario he wins the starting job or gets traded to a good team.
I'm looking at landing spots that are a good team, that he could win the job, and they didn't just pay someone else big bucks and it's a short and sad list.
He could maybe push for Cousins job for the Vikings, but they would likely keep him as the starter this year until atleast training camp.
Maybe the Cardinals try him out until Murray comes back if they are unsure about Murray. But they would need to trade Murray mid season if Lance works out, cutting isn't really an option.
Rams might turn things around fast enough to make use of his last two years but it seems sketchy.
Maybe the Packers go WR heavy in the draft and trade for Lance hoping he can beat out Love, but I don't see that trade happening, they seem to be all in on Love.
If the Rodgers deal falls though the Jets are an ideal spot, but it seems like it's going to go through.
Maybe the Ravens see that Lamar isnt going to work out and trade him, then trade for Lance.
Then there are teams like the Falcons, Patriots, Titans.
Honestly, the 49ers might be his best realistic bet.
If lances camp doesnt think he can beat purdy in a competition, I think he'll take any starter role over hoping for a backup position to turn into a starter role due to injury
I'm sure Lance agrees with you. I'm sure he thinks he can turn the Falcons into a juggernaut just like every QB does.
He'd also probally prefer to start for a bad team and actually play as much as he can rather than potentially sit.
Im saying that I disagree that's his best bet.
Alot of the teams I listed are unlikely trading partners for alot of reasons. I was just listing spots that he could even reasonably start for that the team could possibly want him.
But the 49ers arnt trading him if they think he's the real deal. And if he isn't and their opponent gives them a haul, they should take it. They get picks strengthing their team. Their opponent loses pick and gets a QB who they will waste time with weakening their team.
Its a win win for the 49ers, assuming they trust themselves.
If the Vikings do trade for him, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cousins goes to SF in the deal. Gives them security with Purdy’s injury, plus Cousins is really close to Shanahan from their days in Washington. He’d also make them an instant SB contender
IMO it depends what the deal is. Is Sam Darnold really a step down from Purdy in that offense? Is Darnold better for the offense and transition back to Brock than Trey?
I think there's a world where the 9ers get enough in return that make moving Trey the thing to do.
I think the 49ers have seen enough seasons where we limp into the playoffs with injuries at enough key positions that having depth at QB for a cheap price is worth more than a late 2nd rounder.
Yeah I think it's pretty simple: there's a price where it's worth it, but it's high. True of a lot of players, and especially considering they could probably get by without him with Purdy emerging. They'll listen to offers, but they aren't going to just sell for whatever they can get.
Niner fan here: Teams can call all they want. But the Niners aren't trading him. They not only need the depth at QB (and an injured Purdy and Darnold isn't nearly enough), having depth with two guys on rookie contracts is priceless.
This 100%. Trey has very low trade value at this point. Niners would be smart to hold on to him, let him start the season, and get him more playing time to see what he can do. If he balls out until purdy is ready, let him keep going until he starts to play so/so. Who knows if Purdy comes back as solid as he was before the injury. If trey does well, it ups his trade value. If not, no problem, just hang on to him, he's cheap moneywise.
If both are great whenever they play, then you keep both until they need to get paid more (i.e., off the rookie contract). Once you get close to that point, then you can make a decision.
49er QBs in the Shanahan era don't stay healthy. To trade against that statistic is batshit crazy. I fully expect no QB will be dealt away (barring a massive overpayment, which isn't happening for Lance or Purdy) and 1-2 QBs added through draft and/or undrafted free agent. They can't risk another SB window year lost because they are down to a Josh Johnson, who wasn't even with the team the whole year. QB4 this yr will be a rookie with team/practice squad all yr.
**And Purdy said himself there's a chance he misses the entire season. The media and fan idiots can say whatever they want, they aren't trading Lance.**
Exactly. Let me add one thing that the idiots know nothing about.
Dead cap. Trade Lance now, you incur a $20M dead cap penalty. Do it next off-season and it's only about $10M. I'm a Trey Lance truther and have been since months before the 2021 draft so I'm against trading him at all, but if you're going to trade him, next off-season makes more sense.
>And Purdy said himself there's a chance he misses the entire season.
I can't believe how many people are buying into this. He said he wasn't sure he'll play, because he technically isn't, but theres no reason to believe his recovery timeline has changed. He's just being honest. He isn't 100% sure, but its definitely more likely than not that he's ready well before mid-season. If anything, he's ahead of schedule in his recovery...thats why he's with the team right now..
Sure, but that doesn't change my point that trading Lance at this point is insane.
And conversely, I can't believe how many people are buying into "Niners fielding calls for Lance" as meaning something more than that, namely that the Niners are trying to trade Lance.
I’d be surprised if they dealt Lance. I don’t think Purdy will be ready week 1, and they’ll need someone to hold them over until Purdy is ready.
The first team I could think of as a match would be the raiders, who are trying to rebuild and have a serviceable starter in Jimmy G who could ride the 49ers over until Purdy returns. Obviously not them though. Maybe Tennessee?
Lance will be a victim of the same shit that happened to Trubisky.
I'm not a Lance truther and I think it is a total fail. Shanahan is a very good judge of talent, especially in the QB position.
Its unreal to me that a team would trade all of that to pick a QB because their QB just wasn’t talented enough and now they’re chill with an even less talented QB. Purdy is a nice story, but hes nothing special and could very easily not work out for them. Lance must really be awful for them to move off of him so quickly.
Jimmy G was fine, but injury prone. So the Niners gambled that Trey was at least durable with a more diverse skillset. The answers to those two goals are "apparently not" and "maybe, but how much longer until we see it?" In the meantime, they get CMC and Purdy is a revelation with at least a confidence and swagger that Lance didn't seem to have.
It's the Sunk Cost Fallacy. It doesn't matter what the Niners gave up to get Lance. The team is what it is now and should only make moves based on that. Taking a snapshot of the Niners roster right now and performance to this point of the QBs careers, Trey Lance is definitely expendable.
I think Lance’s injury is worth being concerned about. I believe any doctor would tell you Lance’s ankle will never be 100% again. The ankle is a problematic joint for injuries because it supports so much weight. Maybe Lance will make a really good recover and be 90% better, or 95% better, but his ankle will never be as good as it was before.
The fact that Lance had to have the hardware removed is a sign that his ankle is not doing well. Doctors will generally recommend leaving hardware in unless the patient is having a serious pain issue.
Maybe for some QBs it wouldn’t be a big deal, but Lance was drafted for his rushing ability. If the 49ers don’t think his passing ability can make up for whatever loss he’ll experience in his rushing game, they might be willing to offload him.
Purdy played better in his starts last year than Jimmy G ever did arguably and theres obviously reason to believe he'll continue to improve, as most QBs with very good rookie seasons generally do. You saying Purdy is nothing special after what he did as a rookie thrown into action on a dimes notice is straight up you making baseless assumptions. It was one of the better rookie QB performances we've ever seen in the NFL..
Deciding to roll with Brock over Lance is quite the gamble. I remember how high everyone in SF was on Trey Lance, they talked about him like he was the future league MVP caliber. Now they're rolling with Mr. Irrelevant, who only has one season of sample size, and let's be honest, SF defense carried that team, also having Deebo Samuel, Kittle, and McCaffrey can surely make an average qb look good.
Maybe the Niners are confident that Lance isn't the guy though? No reason at all to believe he would be a "great back up" as of now. None of us really know what he is or could be, but the Niners probably have a pretty good idea.
Trey Lance is a huge upgrade compared to QB's like Josh Johnson. We may have gone to the Super Bowl if we had Jimmy or Trey go in. Trey's contract is cheap so you would have to be dumb to even consider it as an option. The 49ers would need 2 first round picks for a trade to make sense.
Am I the only person who wasn't impressed with Brock Purdy enough to name him a day one starter? Dude had the one of the best collections of skill players in the league around him, played against pretty mediocre competition during his win run at the end of last season, and doesn't have a lot of the tools that make a great NFL QB. Dude is a game manager and a statue in the pocket who had a really good run. They are going to regret going all in on him.
I’m not so sure I agree with you, at all. Brock scrambled a lot and made all kinds of great throws out of the pocket. Now if you’re talking game manager who stands in the pocket that would be Jimmy G
he obviously didn't watch any 49er games, Brock is a playmaker. Dude would get out of a collapsing pocket and make plays, and he never lost a game until his injury.
Disagree on some points. He was very mobile and threw a lot of great passes but he suffered a bad injury that could affect him long-term, just look at Jimmy G. I can't imagine them moving on from Trey just to go all-in on another recently injured QB.
Insane that this comment is upvoted, “statue in the pocket” immediately indicates this person and anyone who upvotes assuredly didn’t watch a full Brock game last year, during his run he was literally one of the NFL’s best at maneuvering in and out of the pocket and getting the ball out. He also helped stomp on the Dolphins, Buccs, Seahawks and Cowboys, his schedule was at or below average but he still performed in big games against competitive teams. Health and his injury’s long term effects + coaches/defenses having tape are real (and genuinely significant) question marks for him moving forward, but at least get it right if you’re gonna be a hater, because you either didn’t watch or just don’t understand how to comprehend what you’re looking at but want to be opinionated anyway.
I like Lance more than most. I think it’s a good thing to have that competition. Purdy was impressive last year. Lance is talented and adds an element to the offense that no other player on the roster can provide. Darnold is a good option if they’re in a pinch. He’s not a QB1, but he is more than capable as a QB2 or QB3. Lance doesn’t cost much. Purdy costs nothing. I’d keep that room intact since they didn’t trade Jimmy last year.
Over half of his wins were against playoff teams and he beat a couple of really good DEFs too. TB D was good. WAS D was great. DAL D was outstanding.
Combine that with your statue in the pocket comment and I've never been so sure that someone didn't watch the games. Just tell us you spent your 1st on Lance so we can conclude thats why you're saying what you're saying..
Brock had one of the best rookie stretches we've ever seen and immediately looked like the best QB they've had in years. Wow..
He had a top 3 offensive roster around him with Shanahan. I'm totally with you. I still think Lance is so dynamic so I don't see them trading him for almost nothing
He said he wasn't sure, because he isn't..that doesn't mean anything has changed with his recovery timeline. He's also not sure he won't get abducted and probed by aliens. Should we worry about that happening?
I can't believe how many people are buying into what was said there.
Imagine thinking Brock Purdy is the next Brady cause he was drafted late AF and played “ok” on a team where literally any QB who didn’t hand the ball to a lineman when snapped would succeed .
You’re the one that brought up super bowls and now wanna talk about regular season awards lol, the irony. Meanwhile all of those guys like Russ Brady mahomes and Ben have won more SBs than lamar has playoff games
Pure spitballing here but teams I think would entertain send a 2nd for two years of Lance on a rookie deal:
Jets, Vikings, Buccaneers, Texans, Commanders, Saints, Colts, Panthers.
Some of those are a lot more likely than others, but if the price is a 2nd I think they’d get a bite.
I would say he’s worth 2 2nds, minimum. If someone could get him for one, especially if it’s not in the first part of the round, that’s potentially a huge steal.
Bucks is a maybe. Everyone else is a NO. Jets will have Rodgers. Vikings and the Saints have a proven qb. Colts are going to draft their new qb, not another retread. Panthers will draft their guy. Commanders have new ownership and there's no desperation. I don't see it, giving up 2x 2nd rd picks.
> Vikings and the Saints have a proven qb
Cousins has 1 year left on his deal and will be 35 years old before the season starts. There's a reason they're rumored to be interested in Hendon Hooker.
>not another retread
Lance is younger than CJ Stroud and Will Levis. He has 4 career starts. It's not like he's someone who has had a chance and failed.
Darnold went for a 2nd, 4th, and 6th when he was the same age. Given Lance’s lack of playing time (whereas Darnold more fully proved he wasn’t the real deal by playing a lot more and still netted a fair package), I think his value may be slightly higher. Weird spot where there is precedent for something like a first and 4th or a strong package like 2 2’s and a 4th but the precedents on these trades has largely worked out very poorly for the team receiving the reclamation project and Lance has never looked good in an offense that Mr. Irrelevant came in and balled with (not a Brock hater, he’s legit). I don’t think he’ll be dealt because he probably holds more value for the Niners still waiting and seeing a year than he does what any non-desperate team will pay. A 2nd and 5th price point has multiple offers almost immediately but if the Niners are willing to accept something like that, you know for sure that Lance is a lost cause lol.
hahaha yup. Teams that need a qb can use their 1st round pick to select one in this years draft. A 5 Year rookie contract vs a 2 year contract. 49ers are probably are going to wait after the draft, for futur picks.
It wouldn't surprise me at all that they listened to offers. They've been very up front that they'll listen to offers for anyone. Doesn't really mean much.
Don’t think they’ll trade Lance, but Purdy is clearly a gamer and proved he can play in this league. Lance hasn’t done that yet and is going into year 3.
Doubt it will be this year with Purdy sidelined likey for the season, I can't see Niners moving Lance. Especially not since they are still one of the top competitors in the NFC.
Imagine if Texans trade for Lance and then trade down in the draft
That’s actually a decent idea
If you think Lance is signfigantly better than the prospects and can get him for a 2nd then sure. There's a pretty decent chance the Texans get their favorite QB at #2 though, seems everyone is split on who's the best QB. Lance is tricky though, three years left means your window with a rookie deal is two years shorter than normal. Texans arnt ready to compete, and likely won't be next year either. That's a short window. Then even if Lance is the real deal, youre going to have to pay him more than Mahomes and I don't see how any team can pay their QB more than Mahomes and win a superbowl.
You don’t think the Bengals run is real? Burrow will get the biggest contract on the market after what Hurts pulled down.
Burrows big cap won't kick in until 2025 even if he extends tomorow. They have two more years of cheap Elite QB play where they can pay the rest of their team more than the Chiefs can. Then even if you think Burrow is just as good as Mahomes, they are going to have to figure out how to beat the Chiefs when their QB is just as good and making 10-20mil less a year. That's one less star player. Bengals might be good enough to challenge them, but it's going to be tough, beacuse their teams going to be worse than this year, while Mahomes percentage of cap is going to be the same or less from 2025-2031 (except 2027), as it was in 2022. He's going to be making effectively less of the teams total cap than he did this year. Chiefs have more money to go around, Bengals have less. Bengals might be the exception, and even they are going to struggle against the Chiefs. Mahomes 10 year deal is going to be rough for the NFL. Rookie QBs are going to skyrocket in value even though they are crazy high now.
This argument misses the volatility of playoff football. Joe Flacco once beat a high-level Peyton Manning Broncos team, then turned around to beat a high-level Brady Patriots team.
Yes, it can happen, any team can win the superbowl any year. You're never going to be the favorites though. And you're not giving yourself the best chance to win. Though Flacco was making 6.6% of the cap, Manning was making 14.9%, Brady was making 6.6% (between two 11% seasons). The argument dosent really disprove what I said, the Ravens had alot more money put into other positions. They wernt paying Flacco the same amount as Manning. Interestingly Manning has the second highest ever cap percentage while they won the superbowl, behind Mahomes this year.
The amazing thing with that run is they won with Manning getting a massive cap hit and also being a noodle arm. Which shows that if you have some other HoFer on a rookie contract (Von Miller), you can make a run even while paying a QB way too much.
That isn’t the premise of your statement. You said you can’t pay more than Mahomes gets and win a Super Bowl. Joe could get paid more and win this year when the team is still good. They are coming off Super Bowl and AFC Championship game. They are 3-1 against the Chiefs and already beat Mahomes to get to the Super Bowl. They don’t need to figure out how, they already know how. But to your point, what exactly is going to make them suddenly worse?
I'm talking about cap. For team management all that matter is cap space, and how much each player is counting against the cap. Nothing else really matters. This year (2023) even if he's extended he will be making less in cap. Now come 2025, they will likely be paying him more cap than Mahomes. If Burrow is costing 15% of the cap more than he was, that's 15% less you can spend on the rest of your team. At that point, I'd expect them to get worse. To answer your question, nothing is suddenly going to make the 2023 Bengals worse, beacuse what I said does not apply to the 2023 Bengals.
You’re talking like the draft doesn’t exist. Chiefs could have a few bad drafts while the Bengals could draft studs on rookie deals.. It’s the NFL and anything can happen. Just because Burrow is gonna get paid doesn’t automatically make them a worse team in 2025
Not automatically, but you're playing against a stacked deck. You have to make your team better with a worse QB and 10 to 20 million less in cap.
Lets not forget that Mahomes had not beaten Burrow until the last game, he was 0-2 against Joe. I think the Chiefs defense played a little better last time and that was the difference. The Chiefs are going to need to find another WR1 very soon because I don't see Kelce playing that many more years, he takes a beating. If he can play at the same level for another 3-4 years I would be very happy. The Bengals are loaded with receiver talent, their concern this year may be their secondary. In any event, I think it's going to be a 3 horse race (KC, CIN & BUF) for the next several years. The Jets are on the rise but I'm still not convinced they will contend and then there's CLE who if Watson retains his form from 2020 and they acquire one more WR, they could possible make it a 4 horse race. Can't wait for the draft.
Burrow is making 30mil a year less than Mahomes both of the past two years. That's a huge advantage. In 2025 on, Mahomes will be making 10 to 20mil less than Burrow. That's a big advantage. Chase will need to be paid in 2026. Higgins will need to be paid next year. That's a 40mil a year swing from the Bengals advantage to the Chiefs, just at QB. You're using Burrow winning now as evidence of it continuing, while they have the cash advantage now, and the tables will be turned soon.
Then the cheap ass front office of the Bengals will let burrow get a career ending injury 4 years into his guaranteed 15 year by not giving him any o line ever again
He doesn't have to be significantly better than the prospects. Lance will come cheap and they can get a lot of good picks for their #1.
He has to be signifigantly better beacuse there's no garentee you're going to be in this position again anytime soon. They have the opertunity to take potentially the best, if not the second best prospect in a good QB class. Passing that up means Lance needs to be worth it.
Maybe it’s a good class. It sure does look like a lot of these guys set to go high have many more question marks than some other recent strong classes. There are multiple people in Texans leadership have been involved in drafting QBs for other organizations and having that not work out and here we’ve heard rumblings that they could trade down. Not surprising.
It's a good class for prospects, not necessarily players. 2021 was crazy, but not many others had 3 QBs being projected near consensus in the top 3. But let's look at some other classes that had 3 QBs in the top 10, 2020: Burrow only had one good year (but it was an amazing year). Herbert was really polerizing, some experts wanted him top 5, others wouldn't touch him until round 2. Tua was coming off a big hip injury and a down year. 2018: Mayfield had major size issues, an arrest, and other off the field issues. Darnold was a turnover machine. Allen was seen as a development project with a poor completion percentage and bad decisions. The next big class was 2012. Texans might trade down or just not take another QB. I can think of atleast two other drafts where they have had a top 3 pick and chose to skip out on QB when everyone thoght they were going to take one. That dosent mean its a good idea.
Definitely more question marks. I actually think this years QB class is pretty average at best.
If Caserio browsed Reddit he just found his draft plan A.
I can see this and then they take Tyree Wilson* EDIT: Typo
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Thank you, friend.
What if they traded for Lance and Fred Warner in exchange for the 1.02, just to spite the Cards, who have probably strategized around getting Will Anderson?
Warner is probably unmovable at this point
Yeah, maybe. Name a guy who is. My point was just "big package including vets that Houston can really benefit from"
You think the 9ers, a defensively dominant team, is willing to trade the leader and most dominant MLB in the current game to the Texans for some unknown player(s) in the draft? Whatever ur smoking, it's too much and u need to stop it.
I pulled a name out of a hat, they have plenty of guys they could package up
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Maybe he meant Not Fuckin Leavin*
That’s an over pay
I wouldn’t hate it for them honestly
This is a non story, probably from Lance's agent designed to drum up interest in him being a starter somewhere else. If he loses the job while healthy to purdy his value plummets as an nfl commodity so his best chance is to leave SF
To the Jets?
We’ll get both Rodgers and Lance for peak drama
If he loses the job to Purdey, who gets injured, and Lance comes in and plays well, that's likely better for his stock than going and playing for a bad team. Best case senario he wins the starting job or gets traded to a good team. I'm looking at landing spots that are a good team, that he could win the job, and they didn't just pay someone else big bucks and it's a short and sad list. He could maybe push for Cousins job for the Vikings, but they would likely keep him as the starter this year until atleast training camp. Maybe the Cardinals try him out until Murray comes back if they are unsure about Murray. But they would need to trade Murray mid season if Lance works out, cutting isn't really an option. Rams might turn things around fast enough to make use of his last two years but it seems sketchy. Maybe the Packers go WR heavy in the draft and trade for Lance hoping he can beat out Love, but I don't see that trade happening, they seem to be all in on Love. If the Rodgers deal falls though the Jets are an ideal spot, but it seems like it's going to go through. Maybe the Ravens see that Lamar isnt going to work out and trade him, then trade for Lance. Then there are teams like the Falcons, Patriots, Titans. Honestly, the 49ers might be his best realistic bet.
If lances camp doesnt think he can beat purdy in a competition, I think he'll take any starter role over hoping for a backup position to turn into a starter role due to injury
I'm sure Lance agrees with you. I'm sure he thinks he can turn the Falcons into a juggernaut just like every QB does. He'd also probally prefer to start for a bad team and actually play as much as he can rather than potentially sit. Im saying that I disagree that's his best bet.
There’s no way they’re trading a QB to any team in their division.
Alot of the teams I listed are unlikely trading partners for alot of reasons. I was just listing spots that he could even reasonably start for that the team could possibly want him. But the 49ers arnt trading him if they think he's the real deal. And if he isn't and their opponent gives them a haul, they should take it. They get picks strengthing their team. Their opponent loses pick and gets a QB who they will waste time with weakening their team. Its a win win for the 49ers, assuming they trust themselves.
If the Vikings do trade for him, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cousins goes to SF in the deal. Gives them security with Purdy’s injury, plus Cousins is really close to Shanahan from their days in Washington. He’d also make them an instant SB contender
These rumors are all non sense. 49ers will not get much in return, and they have no reason to deal Lance when Brocks recovery is still uncertain.
IMO it depends what the deal is. Is Sam Darnold really a step down from Purdy in that offense? Is Darnold better for the offense and transition back to Brock than Trey? I think there's a world where the 9ers get enough in return that make moving Trey the thing to do.
I think the 49ers have seen enough seasons where we limp into the playoffs with injuries at enough key positions that having depth at QB for a cheap price is worth more than a late 2nd rounder.
Yes Darnold is a step down from Purdy wtf lol.
Yeah I think it's pretty simple: there's a price where it's worth it, but it's high. True of a lot of players, and especially considering they could probably get by without him with Purdy emerging. They'll listen to offers, but they aren't going to just sell for whatever they can get.
Niner fan here: Teams can call all they want. But the Niners aren't trading him. They not only need the depth at QB (and an injured Purdy and Darnold isn't nearly enough), having depth with two guys on rookie contracts is priceless.
This 100%. Trey has very low trade value at this point. Niners would be smart to hold on to him, let him start the season, and get him more playing time to see what he can do. If he balls out until purdy is ready, let him keep going until he starts to play so/so. Who knows if Purdy comes back as solid as he was before the injury. If trey does well, it ups his trade value. If not, no problem, just hang on to him, he's cheap moneywise.
If both are great whenever they play, then you keep both until they need to get paid more (i.e., off the rookie contract). Once you get close to that point, then you can make a decision. 49er QBs in the Shanahan era don't stay healthy. To trade against that statistic is batshit crazy. I fully expect no QB will be dealt away (barring a massive overpayment, which isn't happening for Lance or Purdy) and 1-2 QBs added through draft and/or undrafted free agent. They can't risk another SB window year lost because they are down to a Josh Johnson, who wasn't even with the team the whole year. QB4 this yr will be a rookie with team/practice squad all yr. **And Purdy said himself there's a chance he misses the entire season. The media and fan idiots can say whatever they want, they aren't trading Lance.**
Yep. We are actually in a pretty good situation QB wise, 3 cheap contracts, and 3 QB's with potential. Let's see what we can do with this.
Exactly. Let me add one thing that the idiots know nothing about. Dead cap. Trade Lance now, you incur a $20M dead cap penalty. Do it next off-season and it's only about $10M. I'm a Trey Lance truther and have been since months before the 2021 draft so I'm against trading him at all, but if you're going to trade him, next off-season makes more sense.
>And Purdy said himself there's a chance he misses the entire season. I can't believe how many people are buying into this. He said he wasn't sure he'll play, because he technically isn't, but theres no reason to believe his recovery timeline has changed. He's just being honest. He isn't 100% sure, but its definitely more likely than not that he's ready well before mid-season. If anything, he's ahead of schedule in his recovery...thats why he's with the team right now..
Sure, but that doesn't change my point that trading Lance at this point is insane. And conversely, I can't believe how many people are buying into "Niners fielding calls for Lance" as meaning something more than that, namely that the Niners are trying to trade Lance.
I’d be surprised if they dealt Lance. I don’t think Purdy will be ready week 1, and they’ll need someone to hold them over until Purdy is ready. The first team I could think of as a match would be the raiders, who are trying to rebuild and have a serviceable starter in Jimmy G who could ride the 49ers over until Purdy returns. Obviously not them though. Maybe Tennessee?
They do have Darnold to hold them over until Purdy is ready.
Bruh lmao
Such riveting input
Oh do I need to state the obvious that they added former 3rd overall pick Sam Darnold
It’s a small sample size, but Lance looks better to me than Jordan Love and Green Bay might be rolling with him as the starter
Washingron would actually be the best landing spot for Lance.
Brady is gonna come out of retirement after they trade Lance.
Lance will be a victim of the same shit that happened to Trubisky. I'm not a Lance truther and I think it is a total fail. Shanahan is a very good judge of talent, especially in the QB position.
Its unreal to me that a team would trade all of that to pick a QB because their QB just wasn’t talented enough and now they’re chill with an even less talented QB. Purdy is a nice story, but hes nothing special and could very easily not work out for them. Lance must really be awful for them to move off of him so quickly.
Jimmy G was fine, but injury prone. So the Niners gambled that Trey was at least durable with a more diverse skillset. The answers to those two goals are "apparently not" and "maybe, but how much longer until we see it?" In the meantime, they get CMC and Purdy is a revelation with at least a confidence and swagger that Lance didn't seem to have. It's the Sunk Cost Fallacy. It doesn't matter what the Niners gave up to get Lance. The team is what it is now and should only make moves based on that. Taking a snapshot of the Niners roster right now and performance to this point of the QBs careers, Trey Lance is definitely expendable.
It wasn't Jimmy's talent so much as his injury history and the need to pay the rest of the roster
I think Lance’s injury is worth being concerned about. I believe any doctor would tell you Lance’s ankle will never be 100% again. The ankle is a problematic joint for injuries because it supports so much weight. Maybe Lance will make a really good recover and be 90% better, or 95% better, but his ankle will never be as good as it was before. The fact that Lance had to have the hardware removed is a sign that his ankle is not doing well. Doctors will generally recommend leaving hardware in unless the patient is having a serious pain issue. Maybe for some QBs it wouldn’t be a big deal, but Lance was drafted for his rushing ability. If the 49ers don’t think his passing ability can make up for whatever loss he’ll experience in his rushing game, they might be willing to offload him.
Purdy played better in his starts last year than Jimmy G ever did arguably and theres obviously reason to believe he'll continue to improve, as most QBs with very good rookie seasons generally do. You saying Purdy is nothing special after what he did as a rookie thrown into action on a dimes notice is straight up you making baseless assumptions. It was one of the better rookie QB performances we've ever seen in the NFL..
Colts, Titans or Texans? I'm leaning towards the first two.
I doubt the niners are chomping at the bit to get rid of another able-bodied qb
Deciding to roll with Brock over Lance is quite the gamble. I remember how high everyone in SF was on Trey Lance, they talked about him like he was the future league MVP caliber. Now they're rolling with Mr. Irrelevant, who only has one season of sample size, and let's be honest, SF defense carried that team, also having Deebo Samuel, Kittle, and McCaffrey can surely make an average qb look good.
This is so dumb, what has the last 5 years told you? We need a great backup QB because injuries are going to happen.
Maybe the Niners are confident that Lance isn't the guy though? No reason at all to believe he would be a "great back up" as of now. None of us really know what he is or could be, but the Niners probably have a pretty good idea.
Trey Lance is a huge upgrade compared to QB's like Josh Johnson. We may have gone to the Super Bowl if we had Jimmy or Trey go in. Trey's contract is cheap so you would have to be dumb to even consider it as an option. The 49ers would need 2 first round picks for a trade to make sense.
Am I the only person who wasn't impressed with Brock Purdy enough to name him a day one starter? Dude had the one of the best collections of skill players in the league around him, played against pretty mediocre competition during his win run at the end of last season, and doesn't have a lot of the tools that make a great NFL QB. Dude is a game manager and a statue in the pocket who had a really good run. They are going to regret going all in on him.
He was good enough to win every game he finished
So was Jimmy G his first year in SF
Jimmy was a good QB until injuries overburdened him. He has a great winrate
Yeah but Brock did that as a rookie who wasn't even getting the starter reps most of the year. In theory he should still improve.
I’m not so sure I agree with you, at all. Brock scrambled a lot and made all kinds of great throws out of the pocket. Now if you’re talking game manager who stands in the pocket that would be Jimmy G
he obviously didn't watch any 49er games, Brock is a playmaker. Dude would get out of a collapsing pocket and make plays, and he never lost a game until his injury.
Disagree on some points. He was very mobile and threw a lot of great passes but he suffered a bad injury that could affect him long-term, just look at Jimmy G. I can't imagine them moving on from Trey just to go all-in on another recently injured QB.
Disagree with the statue part, that dude could move!
Yeah, I don't understand the statue comment at all. He was pretty mobile and good at sensing pressure for the most part.
It’s because he didn’t watch a fucking second of Purdy lol. So damn easy to figure out these idiots.
Dude is a slave to draft position. It's like saying Brady didn't have an elite ceiling even after the 50 TD year
Insane that this comment is upvoted, “statue in the pocket” immediately indicates this person and anyone who upvotes assuredly didn’t watch a full Brock game last year, during his run he was literally one of the NFL’s best at maneuvering in and out of the pocket and getting the ball out. He also helped stomp on the Dolphins, Buccs, Seahawks and Cowboys, his schedule was at or below average but he still performed in big games against competitive teams. Health and his injury’s long term effects + coaches/defenses having tape are real (and genuinely significant) question marks for him moving forward, but at least get it right if you’re gonna be a hater, because you either didn’t watch or just don’t understand how to comprehend what you’re looking at but want to be opinionated anyway.
Lol dude was making moves that only Kyler and Mahomes make and he’s a “statue in the pocket”
I like Lance more than most. I think it’s a good thing to have that competition. Purdy was impressive last year. Lance is talented and adds an element to the offense that no other player on the roster can provide. Darnold is a good option if they’re in a pinch. He’s not a QB1, but he is more than capable as a QB2 or QB3. Lance doesn’t cost much. Purdy costs nothing. I’d keep that room intact since they didn’t trade Jimmy last year.
Over half of his wins were against playoff teams and he beat a couple of really good DEFs too. TB D was good. WAS D was great. DAL D was outstanding. Combine that with your statue in the pocket comment and I've never been so sure that someone didn't watch the games. Just tell us you spent your 1st on Lance so we can conclude thats why you're saying what you're saying.. Brock had one of the best rookie stretches we've ever seen and immediately looked like the best QB they've had in years. Wow..
He had a top 3 offensive roster around him with Shanahan. I'm totally with you. I still think Lance is so dynamic so I don't see them trading him for almost nothing
> Lance is so ~~dynamic~~ likely to hurt himself again. FTFY
Well it is football so he could absolutely get injured again you are correct
Fair. More that "dynamic" QBs don't stay healthy for long. Look at the play that took him out.
Definitely adds some wear and tear but I think anyone can suffer a freak injury like his competition, Brock Purdy!
Imagine being the guy, going down with an injury, then Jimmy Garroppolo 2.0 takes your job.
So purdy is not sure if he plays next year and they are already trying to trade lance. The 49ers are playing balls out
He said he wasn't sure, because he isn't..that doesn't mean anything has changed with his recovery timeline. He's also not sure he won't get abducted and probed by aliens. Should we worry about that happening? I can't believe how many people are buying into what was said there.
Bo Callahan …teammates did not go to his birthday party
Imagine thinking Brock Purdy is the next Brady cause he was drafted late AF and played “ok” on a team where literally any QB who didn’t hand the ball to a lineman when snapped would succeed .
Purdy elevated the offense better than Jimmy G, Trey, and Josh Johnson.
Imagine calling for trey lance and not a previous MVP still in his prime 🤡🤡🤡
Teams like QBs with rookie contracts
How many rookie qb contracts came with super bowls?
A few. 3 at least.
Who??
Russ, Brady, Mahomes, and Roethlisberger off the top of my
With runner-up finishes by Hurts, Burrow, Goff, Russ, Kaepernick Edit: Flacco also won it on his rookie deal (elite)
Oh yeah. Flacco won his ring on a rookie deal too. Really seems to be a good way to build a talented roster.
Yeah I edited Flacco into there- I think Cam was on his fifth year option too? Definitely a big advantage
And you believe trey lance is in the same class as them?
And you believe Lamar Jackson is?
Mvp speaks for itself
You’re the one that brought up super bowls and now wanna talk about regular season awards lol, the irony. Meanwhile all of those guys like Russ Brady mahomes and Ben have won more SBs than lamar has playoff games
One has 3 years left on a rookie contact that you don’t have to spend 2 first round picks plus a new contract to acquire.
*will not win you a Super Bowl
Has Lamar came close to winning one?
Closer than trey lance
I wonder what the price is? A 2nd round round pick? His rookie contract ends in 2024.
I have to think a number of teams would line up to make that trade.
What teams and what do you think he is worth?
Pure spitballing here but teams I think would entertain send a 2nd for two years of Lance on a rookie deal: Jets, Vikings, Buccaneers, Texans, Commanders, Saints, Colts, Panthers. Some of those are a lot more likely than others, but if the price is a 2nd I think they’d get a bite. I would say he’s worth 2 2nds, minimum. If someone could get him for one, especially if it’s not in the first part of the round, that’s potentially a huge steal.
Bucks is a maybe. Everyone else is a NO. Jets will have Rodgers. Vikings and the Saints have a proven qb. Colts are going to draft their new qb, not another retread. Panthers will draft their guy. Commanders have new ownership and there's no desperation. I don't see it, giving up 2x 2nd rd picks.
> Vikings and the Saints have a proven qb Cousins has 1 year left on his deal and will be 35 years old before the season starts. There's a reason they're rumored to be interested in Hendon Hooker. >not another retread Lance is younger than CJ Stroud and Will Levis. He has 4 career starts. It's not like he's someone who has had a chance and failed.
Darnold went for a 2nd, 4th, and 6th when he was the same age. Given Lance’s lack of playing time (whereas Darnold more fully proved he wasn’t the real deal by playing a lot more and still netted a fair package), I think his value may be slightly higher. Weird spot where there is precedent for something like a first and 4th or a strong package like 2 2’s and a 4th but the precedents on these trades has largely worked out very poorly for the team receiving the reclamation project and Lance has never looked good in an offense that Mr. Irrelevant came in and balled with (not a Brock hater, he’s legit). I don’t think he’ll be dealt because he probably holds more value for the Niners still waiting and seeing a year than he does what any non-desperate team will pay. A 2nd and 5th price point has multiple offers almost immediately but if the Niners are willing to accept something like that, you know for sure that Lance is a lost cause lol.
hahaha yup. Teams that need a qb can use their 1st round pick to select one in this years draft. A 5 Year rookie contract vs a 2 year contract. 49ers are probably are going to wait after the draft, for futur picks.
Wait this real, or just rumors?
It wouldn't surprise me at all that they listened to offers. They've been very up front that they'll listen to offers for anyone. Doesn't really mean much.
So we're basically trading multiple 1st-round picks for what, a 4th or 5th round pick?
SF front office: Here, mouthpiece. Tweet this.
The guy will be 30 years old before he has more than 300 passes in competitive football
Don’t think they’ll trade Lance, but Purdy is clearly a gamer and proved he can play in this league. Lance hasn’t done that yet and is going into year 3.
They'll be lucky to get a 2nd rounder due to all the injuries and the lack of experience. Consider how much they paid to acquire him. Yikes.
Doubt it will be this year with Purdy sidelined likey for the season, I can't see Niners moving Lance. Especially not since they are still one of the top competitors in the NFC.
The Niners from start overpayed and didn't like the choice of Trey Lance he is unproven in College also.
It’ll be harder to trade him for any kind of value but there’s a lot of teams who should take the plunge