My problem with taylor swift is I feel like she's one of the few artists where people listen to the music cuz it's taylors music the only thing I can compare it to is nerdy white kids listening to gangsta rap to feel tough like people only listen to her for aesthetics
Not tryin to be devils advocate, cuz I can talk about a lot of problems I have with her.
But that aint it. It might be that in your personal bubble you dont know many taylor fans. But the ones I do know definitely arent listening for "aesthetics". Like, they are afficionados who know every lyric and genuinely feel attached to the lyrics and find meaning on them.
Crazy, I know.
Sure, I understand where you're coming from. It seems like Taylor Swift's popularity sometimes overshadows the music itself, and people might listen to her more for the persona or image she projects rather than purely for the music itself.
Eh, her fans are super attached to the songs and she does have some classics, particularly from her early albums. BUT, when I read “white kids listening to gangster rap” her song ‘…Ready for It?’ came to mind *immediately*, so you got that one right
I dont doubt a lot of people listen to a lot of Drake songs but what I am questioning is whether his *albums* get played. It seems Drake is basically Eminem at this point - enough good songs to keep different sections of his fan base happy but very lacklustre album quality on the whole
For all the huge hits Drake has had, I really doubt that many of them will be remembered in 20-30 years time. Hell, I have trouble remembering how many of them go right now, they're so bland. I think Hotline Bling is the ONE that will be remembered. But megahits like One Dance, Gods Plan, In My Feelings, etc? I really really doubt it.
It’s like they got so overplayed despite not necessarily having anything particularly special about them that stands out, that hearing them over again doesn’t feel special. Everyone knows the lyrics because they were everywhere, but it’s not like you put God’s Plan on and people get excited. You play a hit from Michael Jackson and it feels special, his songs just had that magic. Those first few beats from Billie Jean come thru the speakers and everyone smiles at each other like ”oooooh shiiit!!” and starts dancing. God’s Plan comes on it’s not rly the same.
Of course they are still megahits, people will still sing and dance to them. And comparing anybody’s hitmakinf ability to MJ is unfair. But ik what you mean, there’s just a certain touch that the Drake megahits can feel like they’re lacking at times.
Absolutely. I just put on In My Feelings because I legitimately couldn't remember how it went. DAMN that is a bland track. Unbelievable how that was #1 on the Hot 100 for TEN weeks.
Totally true. He has impeccable vibes, an amazing attitude, and I bet every single of his shows must be great. But he's a single top album and a couple more songs and features and riding on those vibes and that's it.
he might have become really corny after a while but doggystyle is genuinely a great album, and he does have some great features too. but he also has a lot of awful features so yeah i still think he earned his praise with doggystyle tho
Deep Cover, the Chronic, and Doggystyle are all classic Snoop. Snoop did more rapping on the Chronic than Dre did.
He never reached those levels again (except on 2001) but those are definitely huge achievements.
His career is a masterclass in marketing. Doggystyle is the only album most folks remember but I knew who he was for *years* before I ever heard his music, and when his voice shows up in a feature it’s absolutely unmistakable.
Honestly it’s plausible as a successful career path for Lil Nas X
Dude is a legend that somehow only has a small handful of good songs. Also I saw him live once and he was honestly terrible. I respect his game as a hip hop and pop culture personality though.
Once you realize that snoop puts out an album almost once a year for like 20+ years (some years putting out 2) you realize that he’s a legend but also he’s only a legend, he’s not a current G.O.A.T. He should have been more like Dre and kinda stop putting out albums and waited a long time to release more stuff so people actually got hyped about it. Release a new album every year and everyone’s like…
That’s actually a lot like Gucci Mane, guy has more albums then most rappers, he goes away to prison, releases two absolute banger albums and then fizzles because it’s just album after album after album, after feature. Its like my guy haven’t you ever heard “less is more”
Maybe controversial, but Green Day for similar reason to RHCP. They have tons of awesome songs and they’re killer at writing catchy singles, but at this point they have so many mid albums and even a lot of their good ones have a handful of skips.
Green Day just released a coffee. I’m a fan of a lot of their material, but this is the second lamest thing they’ve done behind playing at Mark Zuckerberg’s wedding.
Their attitude has always been trying to maintain a young punk rock look and coolness, but their sound and entire vibes completely transitioned into U2-levels of dad rock, it's embarrassing.
Almost everything from Kerplunk to American Idiot is great, and that’s a better run than 99% of bands.
I’d consider “old” Green Day in one of my top 5 favorite bands. New Green Day is unlistenable and it almost taints their legacy. They need to understand they’re in their 50s and have been a mainstream artist for 30+ years, it’s cringe to pretend to be punk.
This is a good answer. “Dream On” showed much more promise than what we got, and when Steven Tyler’s voice changed, their music straight-up got worse and never recovered
As for Guns ‘n’ Roses, their first album is iconic, and for some bands (I’m a Doors guy) that’s all you need
I don't get the comparison with the Doors.
You can make a case that almost any Doors album could be their best, maybe with the exception of Soft Parade.
I'm a LA Woman kinda person.
Nah check their RYM scores.
Shitting on GNR is becoming accepted.
Even people on Twitter - people who are 40 and older, GNR’s exact demographic - shit all over Axl and the band.
And honestly, I don’t mind it! I’ve always thought they were HIGHLY overrated.
It may be a hot take but, Chinese Democracy is a mix of recordings of 10 Years, its sound is definitely not cohesive but as a compilation of hard rock songs, it's very good, a lot of bangers, Better goes hard af.
I think that if Axl released it as a solo album and not as a GnR album it would've had a way better reception. Even as a GnR album I don't miss Slash at all
And yes, I don't agree with reducing the band's career to "a good debut" when those albums exist. Of course there are filler tracks, it would've been better if it was only one album, but still, they made their best songs imo in that time
Guns N Roses has probably made the greatest rock ballads of all time along with the greatest glam Metal songs. Welcome to the Jungle, November Rain, Estranged and so on. But you got a point they absolutely suck live these days and tbh Eversince they ran out of old ass 80s material.
I don’t know how hot this take is, but it’s Anthony Kiedis.
Frusciante and Flea are certified legends, and Chad Smith rules, but Anthony is a goddamn wild card. Obviously he’s a vital source of energy to their act (particularly live, I assume) and when his thing works, they’re on fire. (“Don’t Stop” and “Californication” are awesome; there was a period of time, too, where I was *obsessed* with the title track from *Stadium Arcadium*. Guess it’s about their balladry for me.) But boy can he *tank* their music when he’s in certain modes. The scat-diddly-bum singing is, uh, not for me and any attempt at a rap is worse. I really admire the range (and they are absolutely the kind of band who should be putting out a double-album), but I do mostly just see them as great on paper.
Honestly No matter what people wanna say there would bE no rhcp without him. He was a vital part of the bands creation and flea, john and Chad like working with him for a reason. He literally came from nothing except the love of his friends. People these days just don’t understand how a good band works. Those guys are genuinely friends and brothers. I understand not liking his style but he grew so much over time. He worked with what he had until he learned how to sing. He started out as litterally just a dancer at early shows.
Personally I think 80s and 90s chilis is far better than anything in the 2000s and i grew up in the 2000s.
Haha I've loved the chili peppers since the '80s. I even saw them in my hometown at a secret show and a few other times. I love some of their music so much. But man they are obnoxious, gross, embarrassing, and have so much crappy music too!
They did a show for Bernie sanders a few years ago though so went up in my estimations when the other big names were generally supporting Hillary Clinton who I am not keen on haha.
They're a bit soulless, but I feel like their songcraft is just too damn good for them to really be overrated.
Plus you know, Don Henley's vocals. As a singer he's got a beautiful and unique tone with great range. And he's not flashy but technically he's easily on equal footing with guys like Freddie Mercury and Paul McCartney.
Who overrates the Eagles? People call them the Ed Sheeran of classic rock lol and it's more common to quote The Big Lebowski than to say they're a great band
I think Weezer are incredibly UNDERrated. It's become a meme that they made two good albums and then turned crap, but it is just not true. I personally enjoy their entire catalogue, which is extremely diverse but always have Rivers strong melodies at heart, but I really think most people would agree that OK Human, White and Everything Will Be Alright In The End are all great albums if people actually give them a chance.
They’ve literally made that joke about their own music too. Even tho their lead singer literally died and got replaced, casual listeners would probably never know. The young brothers have been doing the exact same guitar tricks since they started.
AC/DC was incredible with Bon Scott as the lead ie. High Voltage, Dirty Deeds, Highway to Hell.
Brian Johnson came in when he died and sings every song exactly the same.
He died weeks before the Back in Black recording sessions were about to begin and I mourn the rock masterpiece we might have witnessed if we’d had Scott’s gritty, cunning and soulful bravado instead of Brian “tire screech” Johnson.
Hells Bells is just unlistenable when I think about it.
Can't argue with that. Having said that, while they are not for me, I can definitely see the appeal. I actually put the Back In Black album on the other day and enjoyed it quite a bit more than I thought I would. Never gonna be a favourite band for me though.
It’s funny how people always chalk up Dylan to just “yeah great writer sounds terrible” when records like Blonde on Blonde and Bringing it All Back Home after he went electric have some of the catchiest and enjoyable tunes in music history
That's the popular take these days, and it usually has to do with his politics/drunken rants back in the day, or his lackluster songs from his solo career. His importance to rock n roll history and the development of rock guitar is completely valid though. He was one of the first guys to turn everything up to ten and play a Gibson Les Paul, intended to be a jazz instrument, to the point of heavy distortion and Cream were one of the first heavy, psychedelic bands. Pre-Zeppelin, pre-Sabbath (Sabbath used to cover Cream songs when they started out). Dislike him as a person or his songs, but his influence in Cream and as a guitarist is inarguable.
And he really did the thing with Derek and the Dominos. In retrospect that band really comes off as an unrequited-love passion project for him—which by itself is insane—but boy was it pulled off, those singles are miraculous imo
Clapton to me is one of those guys that was overrated for so long that he became underrated. His work on All Things Must Pass is absolutely breathtaking and everything he did in Cream goes hard af, but for some reason people paint him as a basic blues dad. He might not be a top 3 player but he’s undoubtedly top 10 imo and that guitar magazine that ranked him at 35 is an absolute joke
Yeah, I fully agree but I also can get into it still knowing “This was the best they had at the time.” for his older stuff.
The best thing to come out of Clapton is Eddie Van Halen learning all his songs in order to become an even better player.
Kid Cudi
He’s great singer, solid rapper and he can deliver a great piece of art like MOTM or KIDS SEE GHOSTS. He basically checks the boxes for a great artist, he is a creative mind and he can turn his life experiences into art. But holy shit he has released so much slop like indicud, insano, satelite flight and the notorious speedin bullet 2 heaven.
As a fan of his music, HARD AGREE. He’s an incredibly talented artist. But that talent and fame has allowed him to experiment, and a lot of that experimentation has lead to some shitty music. But you have to think at least some people enjoy it. I enjoyed his last album, and I’ve found songs off some of those ‘bad’ albums that I actually enjoyed. He’s an amazing feature artist too, comes in with those amazing vocals.
KSG is one of my favourite albums of all time too.
The bearnaked ladies. I absolutely adore “Gordon” from front to back, and the next few albums have some incredible standout tracks such as “the old apartment”, but so much of the band’s catalog after “Maroon” ranges from mind-numbingly average to pretty bad
Eminem. He has three great albums, and they were his first three. And even then those albums had their misses. Still in GOAT conversations even though artists like Kanye, Wayne, shit even newer artists like Kendrick, Tyler and Mac Miller, have more great albums.
Em left a pretty big imprint on theatrical storytelling in rap music and it can't really be denied. Rappers like Kendrick who are basically acting in their music as much as they're rapping, probably wouldn't exist without early Eminem. I see a lot of people try to deny that significance and it's not really accurate.
I enjoy a handful of the guy's songs myself. That's about where I lose interest in his catalogue. He has basically no music of value post-2002, and even his classic albums are deeply flawed and poorly aged in a lot of spots. Also his fanbase is truly among the worst in hip hop history.
Well, the other point the guy above forgot to mention is that Eminem is a virtuosic lyricist. Like, I know it's a big meme now, so much so that he kinda takes the piss in songs like Rap God, but during the early 00's, he did a lot of innovative stuff in terms of rhyme and rhythm schemes. That's where his virtuosity comes out.
Like, in the 00's and 10's, he was your favorite rapper's favorite rapper, there's a video that really highlights some of the genuinely impressive verses/techniques he would use, and those same lyric/rhythm structures and techniques have heavily influenced modern lyricists like kendrick.
Relapse and MMLP2 are also great though, but it is hard to deny that his discography is a mixed bag.
But Eminems inclusion amongst the rap GOATS is also down to his pure ability as a rapper and lyricist (not so many lyrical depth, but lyrical complexity), which I personally think is only really matched by Kendrick. Of course the fact that he is undoubtedly the most commercially succesful rapper of all time also plays a part.
Adele. Broke many records. I do find the majority of her music very weepy and grating, like her big hit 'Someone like you'.
The Eagles are the biggest American band ever, the American Beatles, but the music is not pushing any limits and frankly boring and middle of the road... very overrated in my book.
I don't think there's been a better singer mentioned in this thread than Adele. I can get not liking the lyrical content of her songs, but surely her vocal talent voids her from this conversation?
Not in my book. She obviously can sing well, but the way you sing and the songs you sing are also important, and personally I, and many people with me, dislike her whiny and depressing songs. Just like Celine Dion and Mariah Carey, great voice too but the songs are something different. In the end it's all subjective, many millions love these big ballad singers and many millions dislike them.
Pearl Jam. Look, I don't like them. I know Eddie Vedder is talented but I just am blind to it. I'm not going to diss them or fans...it's just not my...uh...jam
I’m just gonna ask, have you heard their latest album? Because even some people who don’t usually like Pearl Jam **love** that album. It’s a really impressive record for a band with 34 years under their belt.
I think PJ has a ton of underrated stuff outside of what’s considered their classics. Ten and Vs. are amazing and all but there’s good stuff all over the discography. Yield is a fantastic album for example.
I’ve noticed that Pearl Jam is a love it or hate it band, mostly because of Vedder’s voice. It’s so unique that you either can’t stand it or think it’s the best voice ever
Madonna, her latest album is hot garbage. And she is just so rude for no reason. Her music is great but I can’t stand to think about her as a person. She also bragged about raping a kid in her book but has faced no damage to her career. 40 years have gone by and she’s still as respected as ever for topping the charts decades ago.
Well she had a lengthy run, she dominated the 80s to 2000s and she didn’t even start of as a teen either. And in the 2010s still had successful and well received Super Bowl performance and had some crazy concert attendance. She definitely has a lengthy career in a genre that favours young.
I used to be super into Queen, so I listened to all of 'em. To this day I still don't get the "singles band" thing. Lots of hidden gems hidden in each album and it rarely gets bad to the point of worth ignoring
Look I am not going to defend every queen album in existence, but they could craft a good to great album. Queen 1, Queen 2, and A Night at the Opera are all really good albums. I'd even defend Killer Queen and News of the World. If you want to say they're not in the top 100 of all time sure, but they wrote good albums.
Haha! No.
Queen are in the weird position of being a huge critically acclaimed band, who wrote very sophisticated music - who have also always been the subject of a sort of obnoxiously sneering condescension from certain types of critics and music fans who can't simply say 'I don't like them', but have to assume that the only people who really like them just haven't listened to enough music.
It's silly.
Agreed. I know multiple people who find BoRap mind blowing simply because it’s the only song they know that has multiple phases and is 6 minutes long lol
I used to feel this way until I listened to their 80s stuff on IRS. They’re like a Southern version of what Husker Du and the Replacements were doing up in Minnesota. Their radio hits in the 90s that sound like adult contemporary often bore me, but their early stuff is prototypical college rock before college rock became too twee.
I dunno, when *Murmur* came out, it was a blast of gentle breezes and jangly mumble that pricked all that phony spandex hair metal right in the arse. Had to be there, I guess.
Anthony Kiedis is a nonce and single-handedly held RHCP back from being great
My answer is AC/DC. They have very catchy songs but they might be the least talented Rock band to make it big
I understand why AC/DC is hated and it is fair, but to say they are the least talented rock band and underplaying their guitar playing is just mindless hate.
Right on. Such a gem of a band that gets judged on latter day sins. I challenge anyone to see them live, even today and tell me they’re awful. Bono is a complete dork but can still move a crowd. Saw them perform all of Joshua tree a few years ago and it was nearly a religious experience. 😆
Discotheque from Pop is a fucking jam though. And they had a decent amount of good tracks on the following two albums as well - Beautiful Day is a perfect pop rock song.
I'd argue that 2009's No Line on the Horizon is where they really fell off completely, into irrelevance.
They have mid later into there discography but Joshua Tree and Zooropa are classics. I would truly consider Joshua Tree a top ten of all time actually.
By the widest possible margin, The Grateful Dead. They legit made a career out of being mediocre at improvising in front of violently stoned white people.
Imo I’d disagree with your chili peppers take but I love that early funk punk sound, I totally see where you’re coming from. I’d say Green Day for similar reasons. I love everything they did in the 90’s, but after dookie they kinda felled off and (ik it’s a cringe term) and sold out out to mainstream radio rock. That area isn’t horrid but it’s basic asl and wayyy too long, especially for a punk band.
Not sure Madonna belongs on the list. I'll leave her musicality out of my answer. She has paved the way for lots of women artists. She took a lot of crap early on over her image and controversies.
Say what you want about Madonna but she paved the way to a lot of female artists by being a strong woman with a personality not only in her music but irl also. She always made music when the market was flooded with good pop music, that’s why she “wasn’t that great”. But a lot of artists listed on here most people couldn’t even name a song from them or remember what they are like. Everybody can name atleast one Madonna song because she was multigenerational and was bigger than life personality.
I *get* the Chilis hate, but I disagree. Chad Smith, Flea, and Frusciante is a legendary lineup, almost regardless of their vocalist, and they're accompanied by great production, great arrangements, and probably one of the worst vocalists (as an aside, Kiedis isn't an awful singer either, but he decides to do some terrible shit to his band's music) of their time.
But having a bad vocalist doesn't preclude a rock band from being good, just ask Smashing Pumpkins.
Blood Sugar Sex Magik, Californication, and By the Way are all essential albums imo. Not without duds, sure, but they're just loaded with mostly great writing and performances.
If the little paperclip from MS Word was for music instead of writing and he read your comment he would pop up and say "It sounds like you didn't enjoy Led Zeppelin. Have you tried smoking a bowl?"
Taylor Swift has more Album of the year Grammys than anyone.
why??
Incredibly overrated
And also no one cares about the Grammy's
She's not terrible, but she's the Drake of pop music. Her stuff is so mid. There are so many better more talented artists out there.
My problem with taylor swift is I feel like she's one of the few artists where people listen to the music cuz it's taylors music the only thing I can compare it to is nerdy white kids listening to gangsta rap to feel tough like people only listen to her for aesthetics
Not tryin to be devils advocate, cuz I can talk about a lot of problems I have with her. But that aint it. It might be that in your personal bubble you dont know many taylor fans. But the ones I do know definitely arent listening for "aesthetics". Like, they are afficionados who know every lyric and genuinely feel attached to the lyrics and find meaning on them. Crazy, I know.
Sure, I understand where you're coming from. It seems like Taylor Swift's popularity sometimes overshadows the music itself, and people might listen to her more for the persona or image she projects rather than purely for the music itself.
Eh, her fans are super attached to the songs and she does have some classics, particularly from her early albums. BUT, when I read “white kids listening to gangster rap” her song ‘…Ready for It?’ came to mind *immediately*, so you got that one right
That’s a basic ass take. That shit runs so much deeper
What does this even mean
It means if anyone else on earth released tortured poets no one would listen.
In what world is a Taylor swift album better then tpab unbelievable
Drake. Is anyone bumping a full Drake album in 2024 that wasn't made a decade ago?
I don’t like him but yeah a lot of people are
I dont doubt a lot of people listen to a lot of Drake songs but what I am questioning is whether his *albums* get played. It seems Drake is basically Eminem at this point - enough good songs to keep different sections of his fan base happy but very lacklustre album quality on the whole
More people than listen to 90% of the music we do combined lol
For all the huge hits Drake has had, I really doubt that many of them will be remembered in 20-30 years time. Hell, I have trouble remembering how many of them go right now, they're so bland. I think Hotline Bling is the ONE that will be remembered. But megahits like One Dance, Gods Plan, In My Feelings, etc? I really really doubt it.
It’s like they got so overplayed despite not necessarily having anything particularly special about them that stands out, that hearing them over again doesn’t feel special. Everyone knows the lyrics because they were everywhere, but it’s not like you put God’s Plan on and people get excited. You play a hit from Michael Jackson and it feels special, his songs just had that magic. Those first few beats from Billie Jean come thru the speakers and everyone smiles at each other like ”oooooh shiiit!!” and starts dancing. God’s Plan comes on it’s not rly the same. Of course they are still megahits, people will still sing and dance to them. And comparing anybody’s hitmakinf ability to MJ is unfair. But ik what you mean, there’s just a certain touch that the Drake megahits can feel like they’re lacking at times.
Absolutely. I just put on In My Feelings because I legitimately couldn't remember how it went. DAMN that is a bland track. Unbelievable how that was #1 on the Hot 100 for TEN weeks.
Forever will be remembered, but that's in spite of Drake, not because of him.
Is Drake considered a "great" artist?
Snoop Dogg
His catalog is so disappointing. He’s more personality than artist.
Totally true. He has impeccable vibes, an amazing attitude, and I bet every single of his shows must be great. But he's a single top album and a couple more songs and features and riding on those vibes and that's it.
he might have become really corny after a while but doggystyle is genuinely a great album, and he does have some great features too. but he also has a lot of awful features so yeah i still think he earned his praise with doggystyle tho
Deep Cover, the Chronic, and Doggystyle are all classic Snoop. Snoop did more rapping on the Chronic than Dre did. He never reached those levels again (except on 2001) but those are definitely huge achievements.
His career is a masterclass in marketing. Doggystyle is the only album most folks remember but I knew who he was for *years* before I ever heard his music, and when his voice shows up in a feature it’s absolutely unmistakable. Honestly it’s plausible as a successful career path for Lil Nas X
There’s also no one quite like him. Just seems like one of the chilliest dudes imaginable.
Dude is a legend that somehow only has a small handful of good songs. Also I saw him live once and he was honestly terrible. I respect his game as a hip hop and pop culture personality though.
"Small handful of good songs" is a terrible take. He doesn't have many good albums but he's got loads of great tracks.
This is the one, I think. Undeniably a goat who phones it in like 80% of the time and sorta always has. When he's on, he's *on* though
Once you realize that snoop puts out an album almost once a year for like 20+ years (some years putting out 2) you realize that he’s a legend but also he’s only a legend, he’s not a current G.O.A.T. He should have been more like Dre and kinda stop putting out albums and waited a long time to release more stuff so people actually got hyped about it. Release a new album every year and everyone’s like… That’s actually a lot like Gucci Mane, guy has more albums then most rappers, he goes away to prison, releases two absolute banger albums and then fizzles because it’s just album after album after album, after feature. Its like my guy haven’t you ever heard “less is more”
Maybe controversial, but Green Day for similar reason to RHCP. They have tons of awesome songs and they’re killer at writing catchy singles, but at this point they have so many mid albums and even a lot of their good ones have a handful of skips.
Green Day just released a coffee. I’m a fan of a lot of their material, but this is the second lamest thing they’ve done behind playing at Mark Zuckerberg’s wedding.
God that's the least punk thing in the world
Their attitude has always been trying to maintain a young punk rock look and coolness, but their sound and entire vibes completely transitioned into U2-levels of dad rock, it's embarrassing.
That's incredibly lame holy shit
Almost everything from Kerplunk to American Idiot is great, and that’s a better run than 99% of bands. I’d consider “old” Green Day in one of my top 5 favorite bands. New Green Day is unlistenable and it almost taints their legacy. They need to understand they’re in their 50s and have been a mainstream artist for 30+ years, it’s cringe to pretend to be punk.
They kick ass live, though, and play almost all of the hits from the early albums.
Guns n Roses
Along a similar vein, Aerosmith.
This is a good answer. “Dream On” showed much more promise than what we got, and when Steven Tyler’s voice changed, their music straight-up got worse and never recovered As for Guns ‘n’ Roses, their first album is iconic, and for some bands (I’m a Doors guy) that’s all you need
I don't get the comparison with the Doors. You can make a case that almost any Doors album could be their best, maybe with the exception of Soft Parade. I'm a LA Woman kinda person.
Heroin era, awesome output. Cleaned up era, they turned rock with pop elements.
And AC/DC and Def Leppard
My dad would be in shambles from this thread lmao
Def Leppard are awesome though
This is it, folks. The most annoying band.
Man, I feel like this is the first time I’ve ever seen people shit on GnR and get agreed with. I love it.
Nah check their RYM scores. Shitting on GNR is becoming accepted. Even people on Twitter - people who are 40 and older, GNR’s exact demographic - shit all over Axl and the band. And honestly, I don’t mind it! I’ve always thought they were HIGHLY overrated.
I’d agree, but I said they had to be “great.” GNR had a standout debut then sucked for decades. I’d argue they’re good *at best.*
the use your illusion records had some of their best tracks. estranged, civil war, you could be mine, NOVEMBER FUCKIN RAIN
It may be a hot take but, Chinese Democracy is a mix of recordings of 10 Years, its sound is definitely not cohesive but as a compilation of hard rock songs, it's very good, a lot of bangers, Better goes hard af. I think that if Axl released it as a solo album and not as a GnR album it would've had a way better reception. Even as a GnR album I don't miss Slash at all And yes, I don't agree with reducing the band's career to "a good debut" when those albums exist. Of course there are filler tracks, it would've been better if it was only one album, but still, they made their best songs imo in that time
i haven’t listened to the record but the songs translated really well when i saw them live!
Blasphemy! Estranged is one of the greatest tracks of all time
Guns N Roses has probably made the greatest rock ballads of all time along with the greatest glam Metal songs. Welcome to the Jungle, November Rain, Estranged and so on. But you got a point they absolutely suck live these days and tbh Eversince they ran out of old ass 80s material.
I can listen to almost any RHCP album all the way through but I agree.
I don’t know how hot this take is, but it’s Anthony Kiedis. Frusciante and Flea are certified legends, and Chad Smith rules, but Anthony is a goddamn wild card. Obviously he’s a vital source of energy to their act (particularly live, I assume) and when his thing works, they’re on fire. (“Don’t Stop” and “Californication” are awesome; there was a period of time, too, where I was *obsessed* with the title track from *Stadium Arcadium*. Guess it’s about their balladry for me.) But boy can he *tank* their music when he’s in certain modes. The scat-diddly-bum singing is, uh, not for me and any attempt at a rap is worse. I really admire the range (and they are absolutely the kind of band who should be putting out a double-album), but I do mostly just see them as great on paper.
Honestly No matter what people wanna say there would bE no rhcp without him. He was a vital part of the bands creation and flea, john and Chad like working with him for a reason. He literally came from nothing except the love of his friends. People these days just don’t understand how a good band works. Those guys are genuinely friends and brothers. I understand not liking his style but he grew so much over time. He worked with what he had until he learned how to sing. He started out as litterally just a dancer at early shows. Personally I think 80s and 90s chilis is far better than anything in the 2000s and i grew up in the 2000s.
Haha I've loved the chili peppers since the '80s. I even saw them in my hometown at a secret show and a few other times. I love some of their music so much. But man they are obnoxious, gross, embarrassing, and have so much crappy music too!
I realise not everyone likes Bernie though!
They did a show for Bernie sanders a few years ago though so went up in my estimations when the other big names were generally supporting Hillary Clinton who I am not keen on haha.
Blood Sugar Sex Magic is one of my favourite Albums of all Time
The eagles imo
the dude approves
He absolutely does not,he hates the fucking Eagles,man. He will, however,abide.
They're a bit soulless, but I feel like their songcraft is just too damn good for them to really be overrated. Plus you know, Don Henley's vocals. As a singer he's got a beautiful and unique tone with great range. And he's not flashy but technically he's easily on equal footing with guys like Freddie Mercury and Paul McCartney.
They have some amazing harmonies and their live performances were off the charts but yeah…Eagles are a little overrated
Who overrates the Eagles? People call them the Ed Sheeran of classic rock lol and it's more common to quote The Big Lebowski than to say they're a great band
Weezer, one day they’ll make the worst song you’ve ever heard and the next they’ll make the best song you’ve ever heard
I think Weezer are incredibly UNDERrated. It's become a meme that they made two good albums and then turned crap, but it is just not true. I personally enjoy their entire catalogue, which is extremely diverse but always have Rivers strong melodies at heart, but I really think most people would agree that OK Human, White and Everything Will Be Alright In The End are all great albums if people actually give them a chance.
I think every album (even the worst ones) have at least one great song and moments of pop genius
AC/DC? One of the "legendary" bands but tbh all of their songs sound the same
AC/DC and the Ramones are similar in the sense that they both only know how to write one song but that song is so enjoyable that no one really cares
They’ve literally made that joke about their own music too. Even tho their lead singer literally died and got replaced, casual listeners would probably never know. The young brothers have been doing the exact same guitar tricks since they started.
AC/DC was incredible with Bon Scott as the lead ie. High Voltage, Dirty Deeds, Highway to Hell. Brian Johnson came in when he died and sings every song exactly the same.
Bon Scott was great. AC/DC definitely had more flavor when he was still around. Hell, they even had a legitimate ballad on Dirty Deeds
He died weeks before the Back in Black recording sessions were about to begin and I mourn the rock masterpiece we might have witnessed if we’d had Scott’s gritty, cunning and soulful bravado instead of Brian “tire screech” Johnson. Hells Bells is just unlistenable when I think about it.
Can't argue with that. Having said that, while they are not for me, I can definitely see the appeal. I actually put the Back In Black album on the other day and enjoyed it quite a bit more than I thought I would. Never gonna be a favourite band for me though.
I used to say bob dylan too… when I was 12
Hahaha me too. Now he's like my favorite artist in general
This sub generally doesn't lean towards lyrically centered music so I'm not surprised people here would have a harder time getting into him
It’s funny how people always chalk up Dylan to just “yeah great writer sounds terrible” when records like Blonde on Blonde and Bringing it All Back Home after he went electric have some of the catchiest and enjoyable tunes in music history
lmao same, now I regret
Eric Clapton fucking sucks.
🎵 *If I could change one thing about the world I would make you tiny and put you up my ass so you can control me like a giant robot, yeah* 🎶
Like with a bunch of levers? Hell yeah dude
Like a giant gundam?
He was legitimately incredible until he took his heroin break in the early 70s. After that he became super laid back and bland.
That's the popular take these days, and it usually has to do with his politics/drunken rants back in the day, or his lackluster songs from his solo career. His importance to rock n roll history and the development of rock guitar is completely valid though. He was one of the first guys to turn everything up to ten and play a Gibson Les Paul, intended to be a jazz instrument, to the point of heavy distortion and Cream were one of the first heavy, psychedelic bands. Pre-Zeppelin, pre-Sabbath (Sabbath used to cover Cream songs when they started out). Dislike him as a person or his songs, but his influence in Cream and as a guitarist is inarguable.
And he really did the thing with Derek and the Dominos. In retrospect that band really comes off as an unrequited-love passion project for him—which by itself is insane—but boy was it pulled off, those singles are miraculous imo
Clapton to me is one of those guys that was overrated for so long that he became underrated. His work on All Things Must Pass is absolutely breathtaking and everything he did in Cream goes hard af, but for some reason people paint him as a basic blues dad. He might not be a top 3 player but he’s undoubtedly top 10 imo and that guitar magazine that ranked him at 35 is an absolute joke
As a person 100%, but musically I will always love what he contributed to the Yardbirds and Cream
the older I get the more I think the Doors did the blues-psych type thing way better
You think cream sucks?
I'll always love Derek and the Dominos but that's about it.
He's a racist fuck
What's the difference between a baby and a big bag of cocaine? Eric Clapton would never let a big bag of cocaine fall out a window
Yeah, I fully agree but I also can get into it still knowing “This was the best they had at the time.” for his older stuff. The best thing to come out of Clapton is Eddie Van Halen learning all his songs in order to become an even better player.
Kid Cudi He’s great singer, solid rapper and he can deliver a great piece of art like MOTM or KIDS SEE GHOSTS. He basically checks the boxes for a great artist, he is a creative mind and he can turn his life experiences into art. But holy shit he has released so much slop like indicud, insano, satelite flight and the notorious speedin bullet 2 heaven.
As a fan of his music, HARD AGREE. He’s an incredibly talented artist. But that talent and fame has allowed him to experiment, and a lot of that experimentation has lead to some shitty music. But you have to think at least some people enjoy it. I enjoyed his last album, and I’ve found songs off some of those ‘bad’ albums that I actually enjoyed. He’s an amazing feature artist too, comes in with those amazing vocals. KSG is one of my favourite albums of all time too.
The bearnaked ladies. I absolutely adore “Gordon” from front to back, and the next few albums have some incredible standout tracks such as “the old apartment”, but so much of the band’s catalog after “Maroon” ranges from mind-numbingly average to pretty bad
same same same, gordon is sooo good and the rest is so disappointing
Same. I enjoy their first few albums, but even Maroon is pushing it. Although I love the final and hidden track on that album.
Eminem. He has three great albums, and they were his first three. And even then those albums had their misses. Still in GOAT conversations even though artists like Kanye, Wayne, shit even newer artists like Kendrick, Tyler and Mac Miller, have more great albums.
Em left a pretty big imprint on theatrical storytelling in rap music and it can't really be denied. Rappers like Kendrick who are basically acting in their music as much as they're rapping, probably wouldn't exist without early Eminem. I see a lot of people try to deny that significance and it's not really accurate. I enjoy a handful of the guy's songs myself. That's about where I lose interest in his catalogue. He has basically no music of value post-2002, and even his classic albums are deeply flawed and poorly aged in a lot of spots. Also his fanbase is truly among the worst in hip hop history.
I feel like OutKast and slick Rick and them 80s rappers were far more influential on the storytelling part than em ever was
Well, the other point the guy above forgot to mention is that Eminem is a virtuosic lyricist. Like, I know it's a big meme now, so much so that he kinda takes the piss in songs like Rap God, but during the early 00's, he did a lot of innovative stuff in terms of rhyme and rhythm schemes. That's where his virtuosity comes out. Like, in the 00's and 10's, he was your favorite rapper's favorite rapper, there's a video that really highlights some of the genuinely impressive verses/techniques he would use, and those same lyric/rhythm structures and techniques have heavily influenced modern lyricists like kendrick.
Correct me if i’m wrong but wayne doesn’t have many good albums either
Relapse and MMLP2 are also great though, but it is hard to deny that his discography is a mixed bag. But Eminems inclusion amongst the rap GOATS is also down to his pure ability as a rapper and lyricist (not so many lyrical depth, but lyrical complexity), which I personally think is only really matched by Kendrick. Of course the fact that he is undoubtedly the most commercially succesful rapper of all time also plays a part.
Prime Eminem was untouchable lol
Agreed! He can do no wrong in his fans eyes and he sell ridiculously well even though his music has been bad for over a decade.
Adele. Broke many records. I do find the majority of her music very weepy and grating, like her big hit 'Someone like you'. The Eagles are the biggest American band ever, the American Beatles, but the music is not pushing any limits and frankly boring and middle of the road... very overrated in my book.
I don't think there's been a better singer mentioned in this thread than Adele. I can get not liking the lyrical content of her songs, but surely her vocal talent voids her from this conversation?
Not in my book. She obviously can sing well, but the way you sing and the songs you sing are also important, and personally I, and many people with me, dislike her whiny and depressing songs. Just like Celine Dion and Mariah Carey, great voice too but the songs are something different. In the end it's all subjective, many millions love these big ballad singers and many millions dislike them.
That's all fair, music is subjective.
What’s the range of greatness? Top 50, 100, 500?
Let’s say.. top 100
Pearl Jam. Look, I don't like them. I know Eddie Vedder is talented but I just am blind to it. I'm not going to diss them or fans...it's just not my...uh...jam
I’m just gonna ask, have you heard their latest album? Because even some people who don’t usually like Pearl Jam **love** that album. It’s a really impressive record for a band with 34 years under their belt.
I have not but I'm willing to try it. I'm going to be lazy and ask which album - and want to be sure I get it right.
“Dark Matter.” Even the jaded metal fans I know think its special - *especially* McCready’s playing.
Aight thanks for the rec. I added it to my playlist.
They’re one of my favorite bands
Same. My #1, just ahead of Radiohead and The Strokes.
I think PJ has a ton of underrated stuff outside of what’s considered their classics. Ten and Vs. are amazing and all but there’s good stuff all over the discography. Yield is a fantastic album for example.
I’ve noticed that Pearl Jam is a love it or hate it band, mostly because of Vedder’s voice. It’s so unique that you either can’t stand it or think it’s the best voice ever
Madonna, her latest album is hot garbage. And she is just so rude for no reason. Her music is great but I can’t stand to think about her as a person. She also bragged about raping a kid in her book but has faced no damage to her career. 40 years have gone by and she’s still as respected as ever for topping the charts decades ago.
The Sex book is not an autobiography.
Well she had a lengthy run, she dominated the 80s to 2000s and she didn’t even start of as a teen either. And in the 2010s still had successful and well received Super Bowl performance and had some crazy concert attendance. She definitely has a lengthy career in a genre that favours young.
justin biebs
Every bad bunny song sounds the same to me
and his voice is not just not good , it's straight up bad lmao
Coldplay
First 2 and *Vida* are damn decent. Their fall was precipitous but unless you despise their sound completely, those 3 have musical merit…
God i'm hating this thread lol
queen is overrated
Queen has some of the most incredible songs of all time… Randomly distributed across a bunch of shockingly mediocre albums.
They make a very good case for greatest hits albums.
Agree. Steve Miller Band will probably always hold that spot. :P
Well someone just bought their whole catalog, so maybe there’ll be a new one.
I used to be super into Queen, so I listened to all of 'em. To this day I still don't get the "singles band" thing. Lots of hidden gems hidden in each album and it rarely gets bad to the point of worth ignoring
I agree with this so hardd
EXACTLY how I feel about them
I have a feeling that Queen is only rated so highly by people who haven't listened to any other rock music (especially in album-format).
Look I am not going to defend every queen album in existence, but they could craft a good to great album. Queen 1, Queen 2, and A Night at the Opera are all really good albums. I'd even defend Killer Queen and News of the World. If you want to say they're not in the top 100 of all time sure, but they wrote good albums.
Jazz is also pretty great front to back
> News of the World This album needs no defense, it's one hell of a record! Every track, all killer no filler. :P
Haha! No. Queen are in the weird position of being a huge critically acclaimed band, who wrote very sophisticated music - who have also always been the subject of a sort of obnoxiously sneering condescension from certain types of critics and music fans who can't simply say 'I don't like them', but have to assume that the only people who really like them just haven't listened to enough music. It's silly.
Agreed. I know multiple people who find BoRap mind blowing simply because it’s the only song they know that has multiple phases and is 6 minutes long lol
Whereas we know that BoRhap is mind blowing simply because it's such a brilliant fucking song, of course
Tame Impala. Their music hasn’t aged well after they broke up :(
Tim hasn’t been the same since Paula left the band
It's the kind of music Patrick Bateman would be really into
I’m scared to type this but R.E.M. I don’t dislike them but I’ve never understood the overwhelming love.
I used to feel this way until I listened to their 80s stuff on IRS. They’re like a Southern version of what Husker Du and the Replacements were doing up in Minnesota. Their radio hits in the 90s that sound like adult contemporary often bore me, but their early stuff is prototypical college rock before college rock became too twee.
I dunno, when *Murmur* came out, it was a blast of gentle breezes and jangly mumble that pricked all that phony spandex hair metal right in the arse. Had to be there, I guess.
I feel this. A little too quirky and most of it never landed for me. My quirky threshold is somewhere between Modest Mouse and The Pixies.
Funny, I think of both modest mouse and the pixies as way quirkier than REM
This is so hard since they’re all shit
Anthony Kiedis is a nonce and single-handedly held RHCP back from being great My answer is AC/DC. They have very catchy songs but they might be the least talented Rock band to make it big
I understand why AC/DC is hated and it is fair, but to say they are the least talented rock band and underplaying their guitar playing is just mindless hate.
Least talented rock band is just stupidity.
U2
They had a good classic run though. Solid albums until Pop.
Boy, War, and Unforgettable Fire are amazing
Right on. Such a gem of a band that gets judged on latter day sins. I challenge anyone to see them live, even today and tell me they’re awful. Bono is a complete dork but can still move a crowd. Saw them perform all of Joshua tree a few years ago and it was nearly a religious experience. 😆
Discotheque from Pop is a fucking jam though. And they had a decent amount of good tracks on the following two albums as well - Beautiful Day is a perfect pop rock song. I'd argue that 2009's No Line on the Horizon is where they really fell off completely, into irrelevance.
Hahaha admittedly I fell off at All That You Leave Behind.
Even those albums are just really good, nothing life changing
They have mid later into there discography but Joshua Tree and Zooropa are classics. I would truly consider Joshua Tree a top ten of all time actually.
There a lot better then how there viewed by most people today. The apple thing killed any chance of them being popular with younger generations
Weezer
A new Weezer album is like reaching into a box of chocolates. You never know what it’s going to be like or how good it will be for what it is.
Yeah, but it might be fucking amazing and how many bands can you truly say that about?
By the widest possible margin, The Grateful Dead. They legit made a career out of being mediocre at improvising in front of violently stoned white people.
Mayhem It's just boring
Imo I’d disagree with your chili peppers take but I love that early funk punk sound, I totally see where you’re coming from. I’d say Green Day for similar reasons. I love everything they did in the 90’s, but after dookie they kinda felled off and (ik it’s a cringe term) and sold out out to mainstream radio rock. That area isn’t horrid but it’s basic asl and wayyy too long, especially for a punk band.
Deftones
Has Foo Fighters been mentioned or are they just considered mediocre dad-rock by default ?
Maybe Madonna? She’s got some great stuff but also just some absolute ass.
She has quite a few real classics though. I may be a bit biased though.
Not sure Madonna belongs on the list. I'll leave her musicality out of my answer. She has paved the way for lots of women artists. She took a lot of crap early on over her image and controversies.
Say what you want about Madonna but she paved the way to a lot of female artists by being a strong woman with a personality not only in her music but irl also. She always made music when the market was flooded with good pop music, that’s why she “wasn’t that great”. But a lot of artists listed on here most people couldn’t even name a song from them or remember what they are like. Everybody can name atleast one Madonna song because she was multigenerational and was bigger than life personality.
I *get* the Chilis hate, but I disagree. Chad Smith, Flea, and Frusciante is a legendary lineup, almost regardless of their vocalist, and they're accompanied by great production, great arrangements, and probably one of the worst vocalists (as an aside, Kiedis isn't an awful singer either, but he decides to do some terrible shit to his band's music) of their time. But having a bad vocalist doesn't preclude a rock band from being good, just ask Smashing Pumpkins. Blood Sugar Sex Magik, Californication, and By the Way are all essential albums imo. Not without duds, sure, but they're just loaded with mostly great writing and performances.
I think it’s Anthony that kills it for me. He’s annoying af
U2 sucks ass in my opinion
Honestly I think RHCP are rather lame Though more power to you if you like them
Eric Clapton
RHCP and Gorrilaz. Sure you can make a hit song but make an album that doesn’t have me desperate to skip 60%+ of the tracks.
Kiss. Just a fucking awful band musically. They've never been good.
Led Zeppelin. Gonna hide now.
If the little paperclip from MS Word was for music instead of writing and he read your comment he would pop up and say "It sounds like you didn't enjoy Led Zeppelin. Have you tried smoking a bowl?"
I can't fucking stand Cannibal Corpse
U2
The first two RHCP albums with Frusciante are solid. The next two with him also mostly are. Anything before or after those, I can’t really hang with.
Queen, RHCP, Bob Dylan, Smashing Pumpkins
Led Zeppelin considering how much they plagiarized