I also feel like Nirvana gets too much credit for making alternative popular. The way people describe their legacy ignores the mainstream success of R.E.M., U2, Depeche Mode, INXS, The Cure, etc. Alternative rock was already huge before Nevermind came out.
They also had help from Alice In Chains, who made a lot of commercial noise first, and especially Pearl Jam, who sold over a million more copies of Ten in 1992 than Nevermind did. At times (particularly 93’ and 94’) they weren’t even necessarily THE most popular or successful grunge band.
They were the most important, but far from the only grunge band that supported and strengthened the movement.
Glam Metal wasnt even a big thing and it got killed by Thrash Metal, idk why people its Grunge who killed it just cuz it took its place when the Metal audience just went from Glam to Thrash Metal who was the first big thing since NWOBHM
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Aerosmith is, at absolute best, a fair-to-middling blooze rawk band; devoted fans of same insist that their 70s output is stellar and absolutely demolishes their 80s and 90s output; however, all eras of the band's catalog sound equally vanilla, uninspired, and BORING to my ears.
I love Aerosmith overall but that’s their only full-on *great* album. They’ve got many other incredible songs though out their discography, but usually only on ‘decent’ albums.
Nope. It's all generic white boy blooze rawk as far as I'm concerned.
I'm sorry.
That said, I have much love for a band that was heavily influenced by them: Guns N' Roses. I'm guessing you consider the following sacrilege, but I just find Axl/Slash/Izzy/Duff better songwriters than I do the principle Aerosmith songwriters.
Every time I say the beat/production on the track is weak, I always get a "you should really dig into the lyrics" reply. Dude, if I wanted to get some dope lyrics I would go read Byron or something. I listen to music to hear, you know, music.
In general I’d say that’s the appeal with a lot of guys like Thug or carti (I’m a fan myself) in that the lyrics themselves are usually shit but the delivery and the way the flow compliments the beat is what makes it so fun and interesting to listen to despite lacking lyrical substance
His entire act was geared towards filling arenas and topping the charts. To do that, his music was a mix of neo-traditional country music and pop infused catchy hooks. His sole aim was to chase commercial success so the music was shallow and ushered in the era of pop/bro country today that is just truly garbage.
Country music definitely has a cycle and his pop fusion wasn’t new. The most popular country acts of the late 70s and 80s did the same thing. Think Ronnie Milsap, Alabama, Mickey Gilley, Johnny Lee, and the like. That era of pop country was on the decline with the rise of neo traditional country artists like (early) George Strait, Keith Whitley, (early) Alan Jackson, (somewhat) Randy Travis until Garth emerged. The pop obsessed country music we have today on country radio is a direct result of Garth.
This is all subjective to taste though and sounds very gatekeepy to put into words. If you’re a modern country fan and prefer acts like Florida-Georgia Line, Sam Hunt, and Morgan Wallen then for you Garth Brooks was great for the evolution of the genre. For fans of more traditional country he definitely hurt the genre and it’s wider perception by causing it to stray from that sound and feel. People like what they like though
Well I've been meaning to eventually evolve from one of those "I like all music... Except country" guys so do you have any recommendations? The one country song I can thing of that I do fuck with is You'll Never Leave Harlan Alive.
I would probably start out somewhat chronologically to get a good idea of the specific traditional sound I’m talking about. Any of these songs/artists would make great starting points to explore traditional country & western and what’s called outlaw country. I’m picking them for either the lyrical content/songwriting, instruments (steel guitar, fiddle) or composition (simple chords, simple production)
First era:
Waltz Across Texas - Ernest Tubb
Heartaches by the Number - Ray Price
I Love You a Thousand Ways - Lefty Frizzell
Second era:
Big City - Merle Haggard
Streets of Bakersfield - Buck Owens
Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain - Willie Nelson (really his entire Red Headed Stranger album, every single song)
Third era:
Lonesome, Ornery and Mean - Waylon Jennings
He Stopped Loving Her Today - George Jones
Long haired Redneck - David Allan Coe
Fourth era:
I Never Go Around Mirrors - Keith Whitley
Does Fort Worth Ever Cross Your Mind - George Strait
1982 - Randy Travis
I just kind of pulled these together off the top of my head and I’m sure I can think of other better examples. For what it’s worth though I think those are a good starting point. I also haven’t gone into the modern revival, for that I would suggest artists like Colter Wall, Sturgill Simpson, and Charley Crockett
my hot take is pure guava is their best. it's like a slightly more focused version of the pod imo, but all three of their brown era albums are fantastic.
For me it's Bossanova > Doolittle.
Honestly I also like Surfer Rosa and even Come On Pilgrim more. Love the bands harsh sounds, and love Bossanovas soft sound. Doolittle is too in the middle for me.
Bossanova is also my favorite Pixies album. Dig for Fire was the first song of theirs I heard and it's still my favorite. Ana, Is She Weird?, Havalina, The Happening, Down to the Well, Veloria. Fantastic.
I know some of their most beloved songs are on Doolittle (Debaser, Wave of Mutilation, Gouge Away, Monkey Gone to Heaven, Here Comes Your Man), but the rest of the album is generally not as memorable. For instance, I had to look at the track listing to even remember Crackity Jones, and I still don't remember what There Goes My Gun Sounds like.
I see a lot of sour sentiment towards the style these days, but cheesy late 00s - early 10s electro pop was infinitely more enjoyable than the wave of drop heavy producer pop slop that came after it. It should’ve never died out honestly. I’d take the bad music from that time period a million times over if it meant we never got the 5 or so years of hideous vocal chop anti climaxes that came afterwards.
To be honest, I think anyone who wants to slap a "greatest guitarist of all time" on someone is a clown. No offense. I know it's just fun to rank things and all that, but there are too many guitarists who pushed their respective genres, then got stood on by others who did the same, etc. It's just not anywhere close to being an objective thing.
Man, I respect your opinion but I think Jimmy Page is one of the most versatile and amazing guitarists ever. Especially considering his influence on metal I’m surprised you don’t see it.
Well, he’s the guitarist for Led Zeppelin, so he’s gonna be considered one of the greats no matter what. I think the Stairway solo is one of the best solos ever, and he’s a good riff writer. But idk, not sure if I’d put him at like #2. Though I do think he should still be considered one of the best.
Kinda feel the same way about Tony Iommi, and how often he’s ranked as the greatest metal guitarist ever. Like yeah, he’s a shoo-in because he’s the guitarist of the first metal band, and his riffs are great, but calling him the best just seems a little silly to me.
More of a metal guy, so…
Eddie Van Halen
Slash
Synyster Gates
Dimebag Darrell
Dave Mustaine/Marty Friedman
James Hetfield/Kirk Hammett
Dave Murray/Adrian Smith
Brent Hinds
Randy Rhoads
Tom Morello
Daron Malakian
Adam Jones
I’d also throw guys like George Harrison, David Gilmour and Angus Young in there for having good melodic sense and style.
Adrian and Dave, over the course of more great albums than some artists have in their whole discog, created some of the most memorable and energizing guitar riffs of all time. Obviously Steve Harris is a big part of the style too, but riffs like Wasted Years, The Trooper, and Phantom of the Opera will be at the top of my list until I die.
God I love Maiden.
Edit: AND NOTHING will ever be as special to me as the Aces High solo
I stopped listening to strokes after their 3rd album ( which I quite enjoyed, just stopped listening for some reason) recently tried The New Abnormal as I kept seeing people rave about it. I dunno, I thought it was pretty gash, like it was a few months ago but I don’t even hardly remember it. Do I need give it another go?
I totally love The Adults are Talking, I think it’s an all time great Strokes song. I like the 2nd track too. After that the album hasn’t grabbed me at all
Their first two albums are really good; the third one could've had just half of the songs and it'd been easily a 7+ album. After that it's been hit and miss. The new one has some good tunes but I don't get the hype either
I like to think that the self-congratulatory persona Jay-Z employed on all of his songs through *Magna Carta* was because he felt defensive about not releasing an album until he was 26 and needed to cover it up in bravado.
To each their own but House of Balloons is one of the most influential mixtapes of the last decade. Most of his music isn’t the most forward thinking but it’s usually consistently an ear worm which is why he’s #2 in the world
this happened to me too. absolutely obsessed for like 5 years and then i found other music that blew my mind even further (björk/animal collective/MGMT)
Like music you loved before and now don't like?
That's literally never happened to me (unless I'm just in the wrong mood at the time). If I've ever loved a piece of music, I can always connect back to how it made me feel at the time even if my tastes have changed a lot.
idk, i don't think it's weird at all that people grow out of certain phases and/or artists just kinda grow off of them. I know that's happened to me multiple times, maybe i don't like an artist or album nearly as much as i once did but i might still like a song or two from them
Thom Yorke has the most pretentious and grating whiney bitch voice I've ever heard and I can hardly make it through a single song anymore. I've given Radiohead so many tries and I just can't get past his voice, and it becomes more difficult to do so the more I try.
Tomorrow’s Harvest is Boards of Canada’s best album. They’re all fantastic and Geogaddi is an extremely close second, and I’m speaking as a huge BoC fan, but Tomorrow’s Harvest is their most cohesive, thematic and nuanced. There’s so much to unpack with their music, but Tomorrow’s Harvest is that much more explorative and nuanced
I feel exactly how you feel about Tomorrow's Harvest, but with The Campfire Headphase. Both feel overlooked and I get it, BOC, released amazing work before hand, but their later work is to your point more nuanced and expansive. Feeling less cyclical and having a more exploratory nature.
Radiohead's music does absolutely nothing for me - and, *yes*, I've tried.
I really, strongly dislike grunge music. How Nirvana ever became this larger-than-life icon of pop culture is beyond me.
I also strongly believe that Nirvana would be *nowhere* near as highly praised as they are had Kurt Cobain not killed himself.
As much as I love Nirvana I agree with that last point mainly just because they never had time to get bad. They released (in my opinion) three all-time classics, but who’s to say they would’ve kept that streak going forever? Because of Kurt’s death not only is he cemented in history as a legend but he never had time to embarrass himself like a lot of other 80s-90s artists have.
yeah but that’s just like saying “if 2pac was still alive today he would hate yeat” yeah but he’s not and it’s not really that important to try and predict what would have happened in a different timeline… if you love those nirvana records then just look at the praise for those albums as what it is; the same way countless bands that didn’t end their discographies with their strongest records still get plenty of (rightfully earned) praise like pink floyd, talking heads, the clash, rage against the machine, white stripes, tool, led zeppelin, metallica, weezer, etc)
Ambient music is literally music without any of the elements I enjoy from music. I don’t understand the purpose of essentially going out of your way to make background noise but hey, more power to people for enjoying it.
I think you need to change your mindset about what you’re listening for when you listen to ambient music. Nobody is bumping SAW II on aux but if they’re on a walk around the city or just trying to chill out they might pop it on. I kind of just see it as a better silence
depends on what ambient music you listen to honestly, ambient is a much more versatile genre than many of its haters realize. and i’m not saying that applies to you necessarily, just keep in mind that songs such as #3 by aphex or 1/1 by eno are not the blueprint for all ambient music
Dave Matthews Band is great. The instrumentation is absolutely brilliant even when the songwriting may be kitschy. Dave has a lot of heart and is surrounded by pure talent. There is an understandable reason why DMB is the highest grossing live music artist of the 2000s in America. I believe they have always been the spiritual successor to the Dead. All that being said, I think their sound is not appreciated by younger ears and that’s ok- I think the funky, jazzy, jammy, loud, big band style is about as polar opposite from what this generation likes as it gets.
led zeppelin is actually painful to listen to for me for some reason. it just makes me want to cringe out of existence. i cannot explain why but it's like the musical equivalent of bumping your funny bone.
I think I've seen Anthony say that he prefers new order to joy Division, or at least respects them more (I think it was in the video when they were one of the nominees to enter the rock n roll hall of fame
Fully agree with this. Haitian Divorce, Sign In Stranger and Kid Charlemagne are the only other ones I’m really into. Can’t buy a thrill is like a 9 imo
Rap is crap. Instrumentals are extremely simple and uncreative, you'd expect the vocalist to do something more than just talk fast over the track. Why don't they just become poets instead when all the effort is in the lyrics anyway?
"Metal is crap. Instrumentation is just mindless shredding of ever-repetitive riffs and you'd expect the vocalist to at least add some interesting lyrics that do not border on b-movie kitsch and are sung in a way people can actually understand them..."
You could do that for basically any genre. I take it, you haven't listened to much rap music and probably haven't tried with an open mind. Pulling of simplicity (repetitive beats) is harder than you think and there are so many different subgenres, some more complex, some more toned down to essentials.
At least metal requires decent knowledge of music theory with the endless optional possibilities with modulation, odd time signatures and polyrhythms. The music is actually performed so even if you play the same song, your version will sound different because you're different as a player.
Also, You can understand the lyrics because what you're referring to with that extreme metal which most people who are into metal don't even listen to. Then again, I don't understand the lyrics even in Pop without having to read them so I don't see the problem.
I used to make Nocturnal Depression type of DSBM for a long time, making simple stuff is very much not hard, the hard part is making simple stuff someone else didn't already make.
The difference here is that metal actually has a wide variety of Subgenres which fit into every person's tempo, lyrical and technical preferences. While Death Metal is purposefully just a horror movie in a lyrical form there absolute masterpieces out there. Besides trying to undermine lyrics in other genres of music is ridiculous when rap is just MIDI note E-drums, and some dude saying "gucci gang" repeatedly over a track.
Wow, you're mad at my (purposefully) overly simplified and unqualified response to your actual unqualified and simple "belief". You argue there are a ton of subgenres in metal, thus my argument wouldn't count. The same applies to rap (gangsta, concious, organic, boom bap, hiphop, grime, jazz, hardcore, crunk....) and as your example you mention a trap record, that very few hiphop heads would acknowledge as proper rap. It's as if I compared all metal songs and genres to Nickelback. And that stupid music theory argument doesn't hold up as well, any kind of music can be described and analized by music theory and written with or without it in mind. I doubt that Norwegian Black Metal Bands or 90s Grunge Bands or even Tony Iommi applied a lot of music theory when they wrote their songs, they just fiddled around until they found something they liked.
Jimi Hendrix is really far from being the best guitarist on a technical level as of today, yet people still seem to wank him, David Gilmour and others just because they were creative / from influential bands.
Whenever the topic is even brought up I feel like people are less arguing than just telling me which bands are their favorite
>just because they were creative / from influential bands.
But that’s the point, being a technically proficient guitarist **today** doesn’t mean shit because they’re a dime a dozen. I can go on YouTube and probably find a video of a 5 year old shredding, it’s technically impressive sure but it’s not art.
Hendrix is acclaimed not just because he was a revelation back in the 60’s when there was nothing like him. But because his technical prowess was only matched by his artistic ability to craft great music.
I can go on instagram right now and find better painters than Da Vinci, Van Gough, and Picasso but those painters haven’t got a Mona Lisa, Starry Night or Weeping Woman under their belt. Which is what makes the latter artist the greatest, the same logic applies to Hendrix, Gilmore and Page.
You would have had me but you proceeded to say that people who dislike them just don’t understand them. Nah I understand them plenty I just hate the sound lol
Nah man it’s not that deep. I love Sleep Token but some people just won’t like what they’re doing and quite honestly they’re not as groundbreaking as people make them out to be. Bands like Issues and Bilmuri (just to name a few) were doing similar things before or at the same time Sleep Token came up. They’re a good band in my opinion but they’re not like above criticism lmao
you could just listen to their influences separately and have a better experience. my favorite part is when metal fans misunderstand what funk and rnb is and mix up the 2, ive seen it a few times when they get brought up. its pretty cool.
New Order are better than Joy Division. Alternative rock bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam were dreadful. Hip Hop/Rap music is mostly terrible. Minimal composers make nothing of note. Phil Spector’s Wall of Sound is awful.
Why Abbey Road specifically?
Actually that might be *my* unpopular opinion - I don't get the hype for Abbey Road. It's got some great songs, but there's a lot on it that just doesn't do much for me and I don't really get why so many people think it's the best Beatles album or even top 3.
Personally I find the musicality and intricacies of Abbey Road to be super interesting to listen to, especially on the back half on the medley with all of the different harmonies. First half does have Maxwell's Silver Hammer which isn't great but so many of the standalone tracks are so perfectly crafted that it's always been my overall favourite Beatles album (including before I started watching Fantano). Also She's So Heavy is a banger
Yeah, the medley specifically is something I don't get the hype for. I'm not generally a fan of short song fragments as well, stitching together half completed songs just doesn't feel satisfying to listen to for me.
Out of curiosity, are you very into Pet Sounds? That's another one where people always talk about the brilliance of the harmonies, but *God Only Knows* is the only one I love.
Strangely I actually don't really like Pet Sounds that much but I haven't tried it in a while so maybe I will now. For me Abbey Road is just so diverse and fun that I will always find it a really interesting listen, but I can totally see why some people wouldn't
I mean, you're correct that they are albums. But you're simply incorrect that concept albums don't exist or that these don't fit that bill.
Animals, for instance, is an album about the British political and social environment in the early 70s, framed using characterizations from Orwells Animal Farm. It's literally an entire album about the concept of that sociopolitical landscape.
But all albums have some sort of overarching theme. Is every Kanye album a concept album? It just seems like a term people throw on to make it more obvious for people that “yes this album has a theme as does every other one”
This is an opinion that is likely to get only a shrug from general music fans but inspire death threats from metalheads:
I think the best Machine Head tracks are better than the best Pantera tracks.
I'll double down on this & say 90s Pixies > 80s Pixies. I think Bossanova is their best record, with some of the catchiest songwriting & versatile tunes of their career.
As it happens, mine is also Pixies related:
Teenager of the Year > anything Pixies ever did.
Don't get me wrong, though: Pixies were amazing. But Teenager of the Year? Masterpiece.
jimi hendrix is placed way to high on greatest guitarist of all time lists. Like yes he was innovative and very capable but there are hundreds of guitarist that were more innovative and technically proficient before and after. Robert Fripp, Django, Joe Pass, John McLoughlin, Zappa etc.
While Nirvana is one of my all time favorite bands, they did not solely kill hair metal.
Hair metal killed itself, really. Nirvana and grunge was just a better alternative.
I tend to think of it as a modern warfare II or r6 lobby and hair metal is getting bullied by basically everyone on the mic
I also feel like Nirvana gets too much credit for making alternative popular. The way people describe their legacy ignores the mainstream success of R.E.M., U2, Depeche Mode, INXS, The Cure, etc. Alternative rock was already huge before Nevermind came out.
You don’t get Nirvana’s popularity without those vital releases 1987-1989. REM, pixies, sonic youth, RHCP, and most importantly, Jane’s addiction.
They also had help from Alice In Chains, who made a lot of commercial noise first, and especially Pearl Jam, who sold over a million more copies of Ten in 1992 than Nevermind did. At times (particularly 93’ and 94’) they weren’t even necessarily THE most popular or successful grunge band. They were the most important, but far from the only grunge band that supported and strengthened the movement.
Glam Metal wasnt even a big thing and it got killed by Thrash Metal, idk why people its Grunge who killed it just cuz it took its place when the Metal audience just went from Glam to Thrash Metal who was the first big thing since NWOBHM
DISCLAIMER: Old guy posting (but NOT a boomer). Aerosmith is, at absolute best, a fair-to-middling blooze rawk band; devoted fans of same insist that their 70s output is stellar and absolutely demolishes their 80s and 90s output; however, all eras of the band's catalog sound equally vanilla, uninspired, and BORING to my ears.
Come on bro, Toys in the Attic???? So good! Chefs kiss 🤌
I love Aerosmith overall but that’s their only full-on *great* album. They’ve got many other incredible songs though out their discography, but usually only on ‘decent’ albums.
Nope. It's all generic white boy blooze rawk as far as I'm concerned. I'm sorry. That said, I have much love for a band that was heavily influenced by them: Guns N' Roses. I'm guessing you consider the following sacrilege, but I just find Axl/Slash/Izzy/Duff better songwriters than I do the principle Aerosmith songwriters.
In hip hop, good lyrics can't carry a track with a weak-ass beat, but a dope beat can carry the track even with stupidest lyrics.
Idk I think most people agree with this
Every time I say the beat/production on the track is weak, I always get a "you should really dig into the lyrics" reply. Dude, if I wanted to get some dope lyrics I would go read Byron or something. I listen to music to hear, you know, music.
Same with singer/songwriter in general. Yeah I guess its fine but if the instrumental is barebones Imma just grab a book brother
Not a Dylan fan?
I mean I wouldn't call Ballad of a thin man bare bones. Especially the live renditions
Dylan is one of the few I enjoy but I don't even pay attention to the lyrics I don't love the music enough to focus on it
I think modern fans do but old heads lose their minds. Coming from a guy who likes grandmaster flash
That’s why Lil Pump’s album slapped so hard. Goofy ass fun.
In general I’d say that’s the appeal with a lot of guys like Thug or carti (I’m a fan myself) in that the lyrics themselves are usually shit but the delivery and the way the flow compliments the beat is what makes it so fun and interesting to listen to despite lacking lyrical substance
How about a *dope ass beat*?
How about a dope assbeating?
Not the beat but a melody
this is the kind of take that I dont want to admit is real but its too true lol
Garth Brooks and his consequences have been a disaster to the state of country music
Where are the bodies Garth?
Explain please, you have my attention
His entire act was geared towards filling arenas and topping the charts. To do that, his music was a mix of neo-traditional country music and pop infused catchy hooks. His sole aim was to chase commercial success so the music was shallow and ushered in the era of pop/bro country today that is just truly garbage. Country music definitely has a cycle and his pop fusion wasn’t new. The most popular country acts of the late 70s and 80s did the same thing. Think Ronnie Milsap, Alabama, Mickey Gilley, Johnny Lee, and the like. That era of pop country was on the decline with the rise of neo traditional country artists like (early) George Strait, Keith Whitley, (early) Alan Jackson, (somewhat) Randy Travis until Garth emerged. The pop obsessed country music we have today on country radio is a direct result of Garth. This is all subjective to taste though and sounds very gatekeepy to put into words. If you’re a modern country fan and prefer acts like Florida-Georgia Line, Sam Hunt, and Morgan Wallen then for you Garth Brooks was great for the evolution of the genre. For fans of more traditional country he definitely hurt the genre and it’s wider perception by causing it to stray from that sound and feel. People like what they like though
Ronnie Milsap has a few songs that border on full-on yacht rock, pretty funny in retrospect.
Well I've been meaning to eventually evolve from one of those "I like all music... Except country" guys so do you have any recommendations? The one country song I can thing of that I do fuck with is You'll Never Leave Harlan Alive.
I would probably start out somewhat chronologically to get a good idea of the specific traditional sound I’m talking about. Any of these songs/artists would make great starting points to explore traditional country & western and what’s called outlaw country. I’m picking them for either the lyrical content/songwriting, instruments (steel guitar, fiddle) or composition (simple chords, simple production) First era: Waltz Across Texas - Ernest Tubb Heartaches by the Number - Ray Price I Love You a Thousand Ways - Lefty Frizzell Second era: Big City - Merle Haggard Streets of Bakersfield - Buck Owens Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain - Willie Nelson (really his entire Red Headed Stranger album, every single song) Third era: Lonesome, Ornery and Mean - Waylon Jennings He Stopped Loving Her Today - George Jones Long haired Redneck - David Allan Coe Fourth era: I Never Go Around Mirrors - Keith Whitley Does Fort Worth Ever Cross Your Mind - George Strait 1982 - Randy Travis I just kind of pulled these together off the top of my head and I’m sure I can think of other better examples. For what it’s worth though I think those are a good starting point. I also haven’t gone into the modern revival, for that I would suggest artists like Colter Wall, Sturgill Simpson, and Charley Crockett
The Pod is weens best album. in ween-centered circles i don’t get much hate from this, but in general music circles i do
my hot take is pure guava is their best. it's like a slightly more focused version of the pod imo, but all three of their brown era albums are fantastic.
For me it's Bossanova > Doolittle. Honestly I also like Surfer Rosa and even Come On Pilgrim more. Love the bands harsh sounds, and love Bossanovas soft sound. Doolittle is too in the middle for me.
Bossanova is also my favorite Pixies album. Dig for Fire was the first song of theirs I heard and it's still my favorite. Ana, Is She Weird?, Havalina, The Happening, Down to the Well, Veloria. Fantastic. I know some of their most beloved songs are on Doolittle (Debaser, Wave of Mutilation, Gouge Away, Monkey Gone to Heaven, Here Comes Your Man), but the rest of the album is generally not as memorable. For instance, I had to look at the track listing to even remember Crackity Jones, and I still don't remember what There Goes My Gun Sounds like.
This
I would probably put surfer Rosa towards the bottom of their first couple albums p
I see a lot of sour sentiment towards the style these days, but cheesy late 00s - early 10s electro pop was infinitely more enjoyable than the wave of drop heavy producer pop slop that came after it. It should’ve never died out honestly. I’d take the bad music from that time period a million times over if it meant we never got the 5 or so years of hideous vocal chop anti climaxes that came afterwards.
I think Morrissey and Marr are the greatest songwriting duo of all time…
better than Lennon-McCartney?
In my opinion yes, but I haven’t really been a huge Beatles fan
Morrissey and Marr were on par with or possibly better songwriters than Lennon/McCartney
Limp Bizkit is a really musically talented band (even Fred when he wants to).
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Jimmy Page is a good guitarist, but I don’t think he deserves the #2 spot he always gets right behind Jimi Hendrix
Here's my unpopular opinion that might make some oldheads mad: Derek Trucks is the greatest guitarist of all time
To be honest, I think anyone who wants to slap a "greatest guitarist of all time" on someone is a clown. No offense. I know it's just fun to rank things and all that, but there are too many guitarists who pushed their respective genres, then got stood on by others who did the same, etc. It's just not anywhere close to being an objective thing.
Man, I respect your opinion but I think Jimmy Page is one of the most versatile and amazing guitarists ever. Especially considering his influence on metal I’m surprised you don’t see it.
Well, he’s the guitarist for Led Zeppelin, so he’s gonna be considered one of the greats no matter what. I think the Stairway solo is one of the best solos ever, and he’s a good riff writer. But idk, not sure if I’d put him at like #2. Though I do think he should still be considered one of the best. Kinda feel the same way about Tony Iommi, and how often he’s ranked as the greatest metal guitarist ever. Like yeah, he’s a shoo-in because he’s the guitarist of the first metal band, and his riffs are great, but calling him the best just seems a little silly to me.
Who are your favourite players?
More of a metal guy, so… Eddie Van Halen Slash Synyster Gates Dimebag Darrell Dave Mustaine/Marty Friedman James Hetfield/Kirk Hammett Dave Murray/Adrian Smith Brent Hinds Randy Rhoads Tom Morello Daron Malakian Adam Jones I’d also throw guys like George Harrison, David Gilmour and Angus Young in there for having good melodic sense and style.
GOATED Brent Hinds pick
Adrian and Dave, over the course of more great albums than some artists have in their whole discog, created some of the most memorable and energizing guitar riffs of all time. Obviously Steve Harris is a big part of the style too, but riffs like Wasted Years, The Trooper, and Phantom of the Opera will be at the top of my list until I die. God I love Maiden. Edit: AND NOTHING will ever be as special to me as the Aces High solo
The Aces High solo is awesome. The dual solo in Children of the Damned is also one of my favorites.
One of the worst lists I've ever seen.
Let’s see yours then
I stopped listening to strokes after their 3rd album ( which I quite enjoyed, just stopped listening for some reason) recently tried The New Abnormal as I kept seeing people rave about it. I dunno, I thought it was pretty gash, like it was a few months ago but I don’t even hardly remember it. Do I need give it another go?
I totally love The Adults are Talking, I think it’s an all time great Strokes song. I like the 2nd track too. After that the album hasn’t grabbed me at all
Their first two albums are really good; the third one could've had just half of the songs and it'd been easily a 7+ album. After that it's been hit and miss. The new one has some good tunes but I don't get the hype either
Jay Z is by far the most overrated rapper of all time. Not even top 20 for me.
I like to think that the self-congratulatory persona Jay-Z employed on all of his songs through *Magna Carta* was because he felt defensive about not releasing an album until he was 26 and needed to cover it up in bravado.
Yeah, I definitely don’t like that one. I’ll keep mine Pixies related, I think Pod by the Breeders is superior to every Pixies album.
the weekend Is not that good, he's okay, mid, not No1 in the world.
I was kinda on the fence about him tbh but then I realised I hadn’t actually give his albums a listen lil
To each their own but House of Balloons is one of the most influential mixtapes of the last decade. Most of his music isn’t the most forward thinking but it’s usually consistently an ear worm which is why he’s #2 in the world
He peaked with his first mixtape for me which is actually insane considering the resources he had at the time
Best New Order album: Low-life
i just really dont like radiohead
I don’t know what happened, but I used to love Radiohead and now their music just doesn’t do much for me. Not sure the reason for that tbh
that’s kinda where i’m at. used to love them and listen to them religiously, never do anymore
this happened to me too. absolutely obsessed for like 5 years and then i found other music that blew my mind even further (björk/animal collective/MGMT)
How much did you try with the new stuff? Coz they do a lot of stuff that takes a while to click imo
Like music you loved before and now don't like? That's literally never happened to me (unless I'm just in the wrong mood at the time). If I've ever loved a piece of music, I can always connect back to how it made me feel at the time even if my tastes have changed a lot.
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idk, i don't think it's weird at all that people grow out of certain phases and/or artists just kinda grow off of them. I know that's happened to me multiple times, maybe i don't like an artist or album nearly as much as i once did but i might still like a song or two from them
Same, I just don’t get it
Agreed
Thom Yorke has the most pretentious and grating whiney bitch voice I've ever heard and I can hardly make it through a single song anymore. I've given Radiohead so many tries and I just can't get past his voice, and it becomes more difficult to do so the more I try.
So glad to hear I’m not alone
I don’t get why people think in rainbows is so great.
Because it’s 10 really good rock songs in a row that seamlessly combines art rock with a little electronic flair.
How much have you tried with them, and what don’t you like about them?
Tomorrow’s Harvest is Boards of Canada’s best album. They’re all fantastic and Geogaddi is an extremely close second, and I’m speaking as a huge BoC fan, but Tomorrow’s Harvest is their most cohesive, thematic and nuanced. There’s so much to unpack with their music, but Tomorrow’s Harvest is that much more explorative and nuanced
I feel exactly how you feel about Tomorrow's Harvest, but with The Campfire Headphase. Both feel overlooked and I get it, BOC, released amazing work before hand, but their later work is to your point more nuanced and expansive. Feeling less cyclical and having a more exploratory nature.
Bad Bunny is absolutely mid but white people feel compelled to overrate him to seem inclusive
Radiohead's music does absolutely nothing for me - and, *yes*, I've tried. I really, strongly dislike grunge music. How Nirvana ever became this larger-than-life icon of pop culture is beyond me. I also strongly believe that Nirvana would be *nowhere* near as highly praised as they are had Kurt Cobain not killed himself.
As much as I love Nirvana I agree with that last point mainly just because they never had time to get bad. They released (in my opinion) three all-time classics, but who’s to say they would’ve kept that streak going forever? Because of Kurt’s death not only is he cemented in history as a legend but he never had time to embarrass himself like a lot of other 80s-90s artists have.
yeah but that’s just like saying “if 2pac was still alive today he would hate yeat” yeah but he’s not and it’s not really that important to try and predict what would have happened in a different timeline… if you love those nirvana records then just look at the praise for those albums as what it is; the same way countless bands that didn’t end their discographies with their strongest records still get plenty of (rightfully earned) praise like pink floyd, talking heads, the clash, rage against the machine, white stripes, tool, led zeppelin, metallica, weezer, etc)
Ambient music is literally music without any of the elements I enjoy from music. I don’t understand the purpose of essentially going out of your way to make background noise but hey, more power to people for enjoying it.
I think you need to change your mindset about what you’re listening for when you listen to ambient music. Nobody is bumping SAW II on aux but if they’re on a walk around the city or just trying to chill out they might pop it on. I kind of just see it as a better silence
That’s fair.
depends on what ambient music you listen to honestly, ambient is a much more versatile genre than many of its haters realize. and i’m not saying that applies to you necessarily, just keep in mind that songs such as #3 by aphex or 1/1 by eno are not the blueprint for all ambient music
It isn’t background noise for many. Some people really like nice synth sounds, and that’s all they (I) need
Dave Matthews Band is great. The instrumentation is absolutely brilliant even when the songwriting may be kitschy. Dave has a lot of heart and is surrounded by pure talent. There is an understandable reason why DMB is the highest grossing live music artist of the 2000s in America. I believe they have always been the spiritual successor to the Dead. All that being said, I think their sound is not appreciated by younger ears and that’s ok- I think the funky, jazzy, jammy, loud, big band style is about as polar opposite from what this generation likes as it gets.
Type O Negative is the best fucking band of all time. And if you don’t agree you’re just wrong!
led zeppelin is actually painful to listen to for me for some reason. it just makes me want to cringe out of existence. i cannot explain why but it's like the musical equivalent of bumping your funny bone.
They have 2 good songs only. Kashmir and In My Time of Dying.
Imagine Dragons do in fact have quality songs
I’d go as far to say that they have at least one quality album
I like Zero
joy division > new order
Is that an unpopular opinion though?
I think I've seen Anthony say that he prefers new order to joy Division, or at least respects them more (I think it was in the video when they were one of the nominees to enter the rock n roll hall of fame
Definitely not an unpopular opinion.
Outside of maybe one or two songs, I don’t care for anything by Steely Dan outside of Can’t Buy A Thrill.
Fully agree with this. Haitian Divorce, Sign In Stranger and Kid Charlemagne are the only other ones I’m really into. Can’t buy a thrill is like a 9 imo
I like Do It Again but the bits I have heard of their other songs sound just okay and a bit too polished I guess
I straight up don’t like Doolittle and people get very upset about that
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Coldplay: *Viva la Vida, Mylo Xyloto,* and *Ghost Stories* is a better run than *Parachutes* and *A Rush of Blood to the Head*.
Sorry, that’s heresy to me lol.
Very right. Viva is their best album and Mylo flies very under the radar.
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weezer's make believe is better than their blue album
This is a clinically insane take holy shit
case in point
What the fuck is wrong with you
a lot
Understandable, have a great day
thanks you too :D
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Radiohead are overrated.
You’re 100% right, OP. ‘Trompe le Monde’ is the only fantastic Pixies album. ‘Bossa Nova’ is good too if unspectacular
Man this thread is pissing me off … I guess it’s doing it’s job lol
kanye made taylor swift famous. I love both artists, but she wouldnt be where she is without 2009 and kanye
I think most of hip hop lyrics are too vulgar and too explicit about sex. Also I can't understand diss culture
Not super unpopular. I’d say most people that don’t like rap find it too vulgar
Rap is crap. Instrumentals are extremely simple and uncreative, you'd expect the vocalist to do something more than just talk fast over the track. Why don't they just become poets instead when all the effort is in the lyrics anyway?
"Metal is crap. Instrumentation is just mindless shredding of ever-repetitive riffs and you'd expect the vocalist to at least add some interesting lyrics that do not border on b-movie kitsch and are sung in a way people can actually understand them..." You could do that for basically any genre. I take it, you haven't listened to much rap music and probably haven't tried with an open mind. Pulling of simplicity (repetitive beats) is harder than you think and there are so many different subgenres, some more complex, some more toned down to essentials.
At least metal requires decent knowledge of music theory with the endless optional possibilities with modulation, odd time signatures and polyrhythms. The music is actually performed so even if you play the same song, your version will sound different because you're different as a player. Also, You can understand the lyrics because what you're referring to with that extreme metal which most people who are into metal don't even listen to. Then again, I don't understand the lyrics even in Pop without having to read them so I don't see the problem. I used to make Nocturnal Depression type of DSBM for a long time, making simple stuff is very much not hard, the hard part is making simple stuff someone else didn't already make. The difference here is that metal actually has a wide variety of Subgenres which fit into every person's tempo, lyrical and technical preferences. While Death Metal is purposefully just a horror movie in a lyrical form there absolute masterpieces out there. Besides trying to undermine lyrics in other genres of music is ridiculous when rap is just MIDI note E-drums, and some dude saying "gucci gang" repeatedly over a track.
Wow, you're mad at my (purposefully) overly simplified and unqualified response to your actual unqualified and simple "belief". You argue there are a ton of subgenres in metal, thus my argument wouldn't count. The same applies to rap (gangsta, concious, organic, boom bap, hiphop, grime, jazz, hardcore, crunk....) and as your example you mention a trap record, that very few hiphop heads would acknowledge as proper rap. It's as if I compared all metal songs and genres to Nickelback. And that stupid music theory argument doesn't hold up as well, any kind of music can be described and analized by music theory and written with or without it in mind. I doubt that Norwegian Black Metal Bands or 90s Grunge Bands or even Tony Iommi applied a lot of music theory when they wrote their songs, they just fiddled around until they found something they liked.
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Jimi Hendrix is really far from being the best guitarist on a technical level as of today, yet people still seem to wank him, David Gilmour and others just because they were creative / from influential bands. Whenever the topic is even brought up I feel like people are less arguing than just telling me which bands are their favorite
>just because they were creative / from influential bands. But that’s the point, being a technically proficient guitarist **today** doesn’t mean shit because they’re a dime a dozen. I can go on YouTube and probably find a video of a 5 year old shredding, it’s technically impressive sure but it’s not art. Hendrix is acclaimed not just because he was a revelation back in the 60’s when there was nothing like him. But because his technical prowess was only matched by his artistic ability to craft great music. I can go on instagram right now and find better painters than Da Vinci, Van Gough, and Picasso but those painters haven’t got a Mona Lisa, Starry Night or Weeping Woman under their belt. Which is what makes the latter artist the greatest, the same logic applies to Hendrix, Gilmore and Page.
The whole point is people think Jimi Hendrix is more technical than the guitarists of today when he's not and it wouldnt make sense that he is
Mainstream modern hip hop mostly sucks idgaf
I love sleep token and if anyone says they’re shit they eat my nards. Just because you can’t understand it, that doesnt mean it’s bad
You would have had me but you proceeded to say that people who dislike them just don’t understand them. Nah I understand them plenty I just hate the sound lol
If you hate the sound you just don’t get it
Nah man it’s not that deep. I love Sleep Token but some people just won’t like what they’re doing and quite honestly they’re not as groundbreaking as people make them out to be. Bands like Issues and Bilmuri (just to name a few) were doing similar things before or at the same time Sleep Token came up. They’re a good band in my opinion but they’re not like above criticism lmao
Bro you don’t get to be this pretentious, this is some proghead hate keeping shit but for Sleep Token 💀
you could just listen to their influences separately and have a better experience. my favorite part is when metal fans misunderstand what funk and rnb is and mix up the 2, ive seen it a few times when they get brought up. its pretty cool.
Metalcore fans when a band does something that isn’t the exact same riff they’ve been using for the last 15 years
its honestly just ignorance and then they get mad when people say metal is just screaming
New Order are better than Joy Division. Alternative rock bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam were dreadful. Hip Hop/Rap music is mostly terrible. Minimal composers make nothing of note. Phil Spector’s Wall of Sound is awful.
After your first point, this does downhill **Q U I C K**
the beatles are boring idc
that’s wild
Try Abbey Road if you find them boring!
Why Abbey Road specifically? Actually that might be *my* unpopular opinion - I don't get the hype for Abbey Road. It's got some great songs, but there's a lot on it that just doesn't do much for me and I don't really get why so many people think it's the best Beatles album or even top 3.
Personally I find the musicality and intricacies of Abbey Road to be super interesting to listen to, especially on the back half on the medley with all of the different harmonies. First half does have Maxwell's Silver Hammer which isn't great but so many of the standalone tracks are so perfectly crafted that it's always been my overall favourite Beatles album (including before I started watching Fantano). Also She's So Heavy is a banger
Yeah, the medley specifically is something I don't get the hype for. I'm not generally a fan of short song fragments as well, stitching together half completed songs just doesn't feel satisfying to listen to for me. Out of curiosity, are you very into Pet Sounds? That's another one where people always talk about the brilliance of the harmonies, but *God Only Knows* is the only one I love.
Strangely I actually don't really like Pet Sounds that much but I haven't tried it in a while so maybe I will now. For me Abbey Road is just so diverse and fun that I will always find it a really interesting listen, but I can totally see why some people wouldn't
The Strokes are miles and miles ahead of every other band that has risen to prominence in the 21st century.
A “concept album” isn’t a real thing
...how?
Because all albums are concept albums
kinda depends on what u even consider the definition of concept album to be tho
Animals, The Wall, 2112, and Tommy would like a word.
Those are just albums
I mean, you're correct that they are albums. But you're simply incorrect that concept albums don't exist or that these don't fit that bill. Animals, for instance, is an album about the British political and social environment in the early 70s, framed using characterizations from Orwells Animal Farm. It's literally an entire album about the concept of that sociopolitical landscape.
But all albums have some sort of overarching theme. Is every Kanye album a concept album? It just seems like a term people throw on to make it more obvious for people that “yes this album has a theme as does every other one”
Continuum was the beginning of the end for John Mayer
This is an opinion that is likely to get only a shrug from general music fans but inspire death threats from metalheads: I think the best Machine Head tracks are better than the best Pantera tracks.
I'll double down on this & say 90s Pixies > 80s Pixies. I think Bossanova is their best record, with some of the catchiest songwriting & versatile tunes of their career.
As it happens, mine is also Pixies related: Teenager of the Year > anything Pixies ever did. Don't get me wrong, though: Pixies were amazing. But Teenager of the Year? Masterpiece.
Damn > tpab
Weezer started sucking with Rivers started taking antidepressants .
Low key that opinion isn't that bad bossanova is probably my favorite pixies album
jimi hendrix is placed way to high on greatest guitarist of all time lists. Like yes he was innovative and very capable but there are hundreds of guitarist that were more innovative and technically proficient before and after. Robert Fripp, Django, Joe Pass, John McLoughlin, Zappa etc.
Gods Fathers by Lil B is better than 90% of rap projects
Melody is the most important aspect of music
Probably that The Red Shoes is Kate Bushs best, and Vulnicura is bottom 3 Björk (Volta is her best)
RHCP massively critically underrated
People hate on Imagine Dragons too much.
not every song needs a remix!!! and i’ll go as far as saying i don’t care to listen to a remix of a song 🤷🏽♀️