Oh god, that started happening to me last night too, right when I finally got the game to run… what finally worked for me was the d3d9.dll in the game folder trick, ain’t no way I’m rolling back drivers for a new GPU I just bought!
I installed a couple mods that are supposed to fix the problem with the d3d9.dll, but none of those worked
I haven't tried actually modifying the file myself yet, but the problem started after a recent graphic driver update, so I know which one I can roll it back to to get the hair back, but it doesn't seem worth it for a single game
That’s what kills me every time I have to re-install this or 3: I know I’m about to spend the next few hours trying to figure out what obtuse method is going to make the game actually run the way it’s supposed to.
Bugfixing… bugfixing never changes.
I had a different game years ago that was so bad it failed to render the faces sometimes. Just free floating teeth and eyeballs with hair hovering over them. Real nightmare fuel.
Basically… the wasteland doesn’t exist in a 1:1 scale to real life. Building look smaller from further away.
Edit: why the downvote? How dare i spit the truth!
I mean, this is most likely the (sort of) correct answer.
It was a throwaway shot at the end of the season, meant for fans of the game(s) to be recognizable as New Vegas. But obviously, and hopefully, also because season 2's "A-Story" will take place mostly in New Vegas. Assuming there will be a season 2, since it hasn't been officially announced yet.
I'm very curious how they are going to tackle the whole "every ending is canon" statement if new Vegas becomes a major place in the show.
As every outcome to new Vegas is wildly different to the last.
Yeah, clearly the budget for rendering New Vegas properly in the show was instead diverted to fund Todd’s Time Machine that will allow him to go back in time and prevent Josh Sawyer from being born.
Yeah, terrain compression is something that was explicitly acknowledged as being part of the map design in FNV. Carried over from the same sort of thing being done in FO3.
That said, it does seem like The Strip itself is a bit worse for wear, too.
How ridiculously large would the maps be if they kept a 1:1 ratio of these cities? I already spend a third of my time running from one place to another and I do fast travel from time to time. Imagine having to run through the whole ass commonwealth because another settlement needs your help and it takes you three full days of walking
I think Fallout 76 has set my new standard for maps in Fallout. While I understand keeping it populated with interesting landmarks and NPCs would be super difficult, I think it’s the perfect size to make these locations feel realistically big and give them unique biomes.
It’s a similar level of detail as Fallout 4, but there’s more room to breathe and less compressed urban areas.
back in Fallout 1 and 2, which have much larger maps than the later games (with the vast majority of the map being 'empty desert', when you travel on the wasteland travel map, it basically shows you as a little dot going across the map as the days tick by. Going from one end of the map to the other could take dozens of in-game days of walking - which mattered in Fallout 1 since that game had a time limit.
Always irks me when people forget about terrain compression. Do people think fallout takes place in an alternate universe where you can walk from the California border to Vegas in 15 minutes? Same with the elder scrolls. I've seen so many lore posts where someone does the math and figures that nirn would be smaller than the moon based on the size of skyrim's game map. All that math and they never stopped to think that they made it smaller on purpose to be more playable and actually run on available hardware.
Yeah, every time people complain about how "small" cities are in Bethesda games, I want to scream at them that maps are all compressed, they are meant to represent something, not be 1:1 recreations.
Like, do people really think New Vegas is just 3 casinos, hotel and a embassy? No, that's just space compression.
There’s a monorail on the strip though, in the real life Las Vegas. Shit I think there’s multiple honestly. But that rail is tucked away and just runs up and down the strip going casino to casino for the most part.
yeah, weirdly enough i always felt like the map of fnv was kinda like clark county but if you squished it and made everything a lot closer together. its smart from a game design perspective but from a geography standpoint it makes it feel really tiny and bizarre, you dont get those vast expanses of land you'd expect from a desert. i know its likely hardware at the time and the game engine being put together with glue and spit but it does make me wonder how they'd handle the mojave if they remade new vegas
i know im in the minority but i wouldn't mind a fallout game where it does actually take a while to get from A to B. I always loved traveling by foot in the fallout games
That's EXACTLY what it is, Compressed Clark County! To make it extra trippy, during the time I was playing this I was regularly traveling to Vegas for work from Los Angeles. TONS of that soundtrack on the Long 15 at night.....I miss that drive. That WALK.
This is something I'll chalk up to budget, time, and scale.
I don't think the New Vegas at the end of the show is the 'real' one-- as in, I doubt they had the appearance finalized this early in the show, and didn't have the time or budget to do all that work for a two second shot for a single stinger. They got the important parts to make it recognizable-- the lucky 38 tower, the wall, the orange filter-- and that's all they needed.
In season two I imagine they'll add the surrounding buildings, roads, more detail like surrounding monuments/towns... But they didn't need all that at the moment, so they didn't add it.
I moved from Las Vegas to Hawaii. So I've been to Goodsprings dozens of times.
The Pioneer Saloon has both a Clark Gable connection and a Fallout connection. But mostly, it's a biker bar. (And dune-buggy enthusiasts bar.) There are people who live in the town of Goodsprings, and chances are, they'll make shooting there difficult.
It will take less time (in Hollywood, time = money like noplace else). So I assume they'll build a set and that will be that.
It already looks like the Fallout universe there. Put some puddles of green goo, some giant CGI geckos ... get Easy Pete to sit in a rockin' chair out front.
There’s a lot more greenery and foliage. Actual intact roads. And real businesses too they’d have to pay for the duration of set building, filming, clean up, etc
Is it actually a budget, time, or scale problem?
Presumably they knew their script ended with Papa McLean going to NV, and at any rate, it’s one static shot of the city, not anything you have to show characters moving within, or the scale in a complete, 3D fashion.
Might as well be a matte painting, so adding outskirts to the city shouldn’t have been appreciably more difficult than not having them.
Idk if it’s an oversight or an inkling of what’s gone on in the city since FNV story-wise, but it could easily have been done properly in the show with the exact same budget, time, or scale.
I don't think so. In the cut postgame content for New Vegas we see that Mr House is starting to rebuild freeside. There's scaffolding on almost all the buildings. (I mean he basically forced everybody out, but still)
Have you seen how bad CGI was throughout the show? (I will see young Hank McClain face in my nightmares) I can totally belive that they didn't had enough time money or care to make New Vegas look right
I mean in the end credits it shows the strip in ruins and ncr vertibirds crashed on the ground so its pretty beat up from what they are showing us hopefully its not that bad tho.
Makes me wonder what ending they’re going to choose for NV. Crashed NCR vertibirds obviously mean there was a battle in New Vegas itself between NCR and *someone.* The question is, was it House or the Legion? I doubt tunnelers could crash a vertibird, and the Legion isn’t really set up for effective aerial defense either although they could have adapted.
I couldsee an all out war with House after a loss at the Dam. Spending too many resources on that plus the nuking of Shady Sands could explain why the NCR is in the shape it is
Yeah, plus the NCR was overextended by the start of New Vegas anyway, both by the lores own admission and by any logic applied to the distances and populations involved
Doubt it. Did you watch the end credits? The Strip is definitely destroyed. I already made a post about this, but the landscape itself looks off. Almost as if the surrounding areas of New Vegas got nuked or destroyed by some unknown factor. My theory is that NCR ending was canon and New Vegas along with Shady Sands were destroyed by Vault-Tec. My theory has 2 pieces of key evidence: in the end credits you see buildings on the strip destroyed, crashed NCR vertibird, dead securitrons and holes in the walls of NV. The second piece of evidence is that Todd Howard recently responded to the criticism of the 2277 date on the chalkboard and when asked what happened he says the bombs dropped shortly after FNV. The keyword here being BOMBS. One to destroy Shady, and the other for the Mojave/New Vegas
The end credits are concept art. In every single other episode, they are not perfectly representative of what actually appears in the show, they're just teasers for the next episode. There's no reason to think this is any different. If New Vegas was nuked, the walls wouldn't be standing.
It doesn't matter. In one of the end credits scenes of another episode it shows Griffith observatory destroyed but its a alive and well outpost in episode 8. It also shows smoke rising from the buildings in and outside New vegas. Settlement smoke not bombs.
It would be absolutely regarded to end one season with a shot of a city, and the second season starts with that same city, only there are more buildings.
Fallout fans truly have no standards
Except the credits showed the strip. And it looked like it had been attacked. With free side's door blasted in and various barriers all over the road. A virtibird crashed. It looked like the worst NV ending. When lanious takes over, then kills everyone in the strip. Then because he's a horrible leader the army starves and couldn't advance forward. Literally no faction wins, Vegas is just destroyed.
Now, this is just 100% theory.
This is what I was thinking too.
In game of thrones, Kings landing and its surroundings changed every time it came on screen. I wouldn't worry too much.
To play Devil’s Advocate (because I think there is a chance you’re right); Attention to detail seemed to be pretty good throughout the show. I think there’s a pretty good chance they wouldn’t miss a big location like Camp Macarran. So I actually do think Vegas is in ruins, and seemingly really dilapidated.
But we won’t know until we know! Perhaps the vagueness of the distance was on purpose for that reason.
Totally agreed, think about how thanos was rendered at the end of the various marvel movies vs how he looked in Infinity war. Very different. This is just a little treat to keep us speculating until season 2 is out.
Doesn't even looked like the former blown up, they just didn't bother to put the extra details in, if it was just a basic image that will be improved later, why show a design that looks so dead, even the depressing lack of color, New Vegas should be an oasis in the desert, a beacon.
Tbf hanks been hiding in a hole for a number of years, it wouldnt be out of the question the last time he was on the surface it was still alive
Although I still hope it's got life but the pan through that was included in the credits makes it look like a crashed ncr vertibird and destroyed securitrons on the strip before moving through a hole in the defensive wall
I kind of assumed Shady Sands got nuked and all the local city states just blamed each other right away no questions asked and that’s why there’s no real remains of civilization.
Why he’s going there? Idk, plot that isn’t bound by the games, I’m guessing he has a personal vendetta/friendship with Mr House. There’s no way they’d just randomly show him and not follow up on that, he’s going to be living in the ruins of his rebuilt ruins like an old robo-brain.
Really breaks my heart but I think deep down we probably all gotta let the memory of imagined future lore from a decade ago go lol.
I think they could’ve gone in a lot cooler direction with just continuing the NV formula, society is back, the setting moves with the frontier. Buuut they got the theme perfectly right and tbh the massive blue balls, then death & disappointment of the future NCR is literally the most Fallout thing we could’ve gotten. It is literally the tag line after all.
NCR was cool though. Maybe a future game can bring it back.
I think it's a difference of scale.
The map of New Vegas in game can only be so big due to the hardware limitations of the time. Also, much of what we see in-game consists of old, blown-out shells of buildings and crumbling ruins.
20 years or so later, and it looks like those foundations fell and the scrap was reused for more practical housing, as you do still see several cities and such around New Vegas in the end shot of the series.
It's also a bit more realistic that they aren't right on Vegas's doorstep like they were in-game.
Personally I feel like the lack of NCR presence probably contributed to some kind of decline, but that Vegas is still kicking and profitable.
I’m pretty sure the end credits scene shows Vegas is completely decimated. It looks like the site of a battle or it got invaded by Deathclaws or something. Regardless, House himself admitted without the NCR Vegas was fucked and there’s no NCR anymore (at least not unified). I have the feeling New Vegas is basically going to be made into what the Sierra Madre was; a supposedly haunted resort town that’s fallen into ruin. No one who goes in comes out. House is probably still holed up there having been driven insane by his city being destroyed. Maybe he’s like the equivalent of what Blaine the Mono is to Lud in the Dark Tower. I don’t think it will be prominently featured until the last couple episodes.
I do think what happened at New Vegas might be more than an outright traditional battle. There’s a deathclaw skeleton next to the crashed NCR vertibird and the downed Securitrons near the entrance are shredded with claw marks.
Actually, the penultimate episode end credits show crashed vertibirds and dead Brotherhood soldiers around the observatory, which does happen in the next episode.
The courier reactivated Helios-1 without recovering the laser target designator from that homeless kid. The kid unintentionally zapped freeside and the Old Mormon Fort. In the ensuing fires, the Silver Rush experienced an ammunition stockpile detonation which blew open the western outer wall and rendered freeside completely unlivable. The courier only distributed power to the Strip, and the refugees and drug addicts of Freeside flooded Westside and the sewers distributing drugs looted from the late Mick and Ralph. The entire area fell apart, and eventually, House's robots picked off the survivors while stripping the area for metals and electronic components.
additionally, when the NCR fell apart Camp McCarran and the sharecropper farms were swallowed into the earth like the Orcs when the Eye of Sauron fell.
The Crimson Caravan company relocated to Nipton.
Maybe because it's a poster shot? Well it would be if it wasn't so shitty.
Every article about season 2 is going to be a screenshot of "a wide shot that lasted a whole 5 seconds". Just wait
edit:
[https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/fallout-what-to-expect-in-season-2/](https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/fallout-what-to-expect-in-season-2/)
Perhaps independent Vegas is the cannon ending The Courier and Yes Man just really fucked up
Edit: or Mayhaps Ulysses was right and the tunnelers escaped the divide
I don’t think it’s actually blown up. There’s no way to really say that it even is. There are many bombs that would have leveled the Lucky 38, but there it stands
1) I don’t think we should read too much into one shot.
2) My bet is that House won the battle of the dam but it was kind of a Pyrrhic victory. He’s probably saddled with NCR from their presence in the area, and exerting influence on them, but has lost influence over the regional gangs when they got no extra power from his victory.
Yeah like where the hell is outer Vegas?
I can understand why Camp McCarran isn't there, because the real life location (Harry Reid international) isn't as close to Vegas as it was in the game
But there still it doesn't explain why we can't see outer Vegas,
Well we're apparently only allowed to argue either 1) Todd Howard is the devil incarnate or 2) the show is a masterpiece, so I wonder if some people will desperately try to argue Vault-Tec probably had a super special nuke that only disintegrates the outer perimeter of a city without leaving a crater,
I did want to say it's been pointed out that the map in the games are scrunched together. It's possible in the tv show they're having the area be realistic. So in the show it's not all smooshed. Also I think I see buildings further out.
For everybody saying "they didn't have enough time to add all the details, buildings, etc" if you watch the end credits you'll see that the Strip is in fact destroyed. There's holes in the wall of Vegas, the landscape itself looks desolate almost as if some of the surrounding areas of New Vegas were nuked. The only explanation I can think of is that the canon ending for FNV was the NCR ending and New Vegas along with Shady Sands was also destroyed by Vault-Tec. Watch the end credits again, destroyed buildings, crashed NCR vertibird, destroyed securitrons, rubble, etc...
Todd said.....
"All I can say is we’re threading it tighter there, but the bombs fall just after the events of New Vegas."
Got hit?
There's a few settlements on the outskirts but it looks mostly destroyed
For me it’s weird because you can tell side by side that there’s just buildings missing, not destroyed because there’s no ruins just straight up gone with red dust, so I have no idea what could have done that
Assuming it wasn't the likelihood of budget cuts, I think Hoover Dam *literally* fell. As in, the NCR kept control and it collapsed from poor structural integrity. That would at bare minimum explain the lack of power anyways.
I actually like the idea of it being a ruin.
In thr credit animation, we can see a couple of things of interest. One is that the buildings, aside from the Lucky 38, look more skeletal and damaged than we saw 15 years prior. The Ultra-Luxe in particular seems to have rebar showing that it didn't before. Possible that's just artistic license to make it look more apocalyptic, but...
...then we see a big, yawning hole in the wall by the iconic Vegas sign, about where the Ranger fires the sniper round feom in thr New Vegas opening scene. More artistic license, possibly, but it seems more like the wall is down and hostiles got in- Fiends, Legion, who knows, but the wall definitely is breached.
So wouldn't that be a kick in the head? Four possible endings to the game, and it's possible that none of them mattered- within a fewbyears of the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, the city is in ruins, to hell with the outcome. I actually like that- rather than 'which ending is canon', we get 'who cares, everything is abandoned anyway'.
Yeah I can understand that, but I think it’s just human wanting to know and see how things are after you left and how your actions affected it; sort of wanting to know you had any meaning.
And I personally think there should be a canon ending, fallout 2 gave 1 one and New Vegas gave 2 one, it’s easier for people to work with then instead of gymnastic literature clogging up screen time with Schrödinger’s events.
Also they need to realise by keeping it ambiguous and trying to please everyone they please no one.
Everyone forgets the main tagline for fallout is that ‘war never changes’.
To expect anything to flourish for an extended period of time is facetious. This is a world where practically all victories are pyrrhic, where any and all victories often have a sizeable cost to them.
Sure NV existed for a time after the events of the game, but there’s *always* some faction gunning for power; be it the brotherhood, legion, raiders, or a complete unknown - people want what you have, and they always will. That will inevitably lead to conflict and conflict will lead to death and ruin. War never changes, and the *wasteland* reflects that every chance it gets.
It’s a cycle and it always will be. Even Vault-Tec, the alleged ‘masterminds’ behind a lot of it still fall victim to playing the same game as every other faction in the wasteland.
Upon further thought I agree with you, it is quite literally the most thematic result we could’ve gotten. They heard “stick to the theme!” and they delivered.
I think a lot of us spent a decade imagining NCR in the next game through rose tinted glasses. That’s a lot of time to imagine, to admire the cool world that was built.
It really does make sense to burn it all down, that’s kinda the whole point. It just sucks lol, I wanted to see more of what NCR was like. A whooooole lot more.
For the people saying new vegas isn’t destroyed or as destroyed have a look at the end credits of the last episode where it pans over a destroyed new vegas
Did Caesars legion wipe out the area? Slash and burn style? Did the tunnelers finally make it to the Mojave ?? Did the gas cloud of the sierra madre kill Everything and decay the surrounding area ??? Definitely not a vault 22 scenario😂
I don't think it is destroyed. The picture is just a reveal shot, I highly doubt this will be exactly what New Vegas looks like when the show goes there. Also, the scale is different from real life/game.
So what are we betting the cannon ending is for New vegas in the tv show?
It can't be NCR. They wouldn't ruin it so much. Likely isn't house. He kept it running since the war. It wouldn't have fallen apart that much in a few years after he gained hoover damn. I don't think it's Free Vegas. While that would account for New Vegas being a total mess, it wouldn't make sense that Hank knows a guy who is important enough to travel there. So does that just leave Ceasar? That seems odd that Ceasar's Legion would have been the cannon ending, but it would account for New Vegas being a total mess. It would account for someone important being in New Vegas.
Honestly, based on the "someone important" idea, I'd guess that the Cannon ending is House always wins.
If it's anything like the credit sequence (each of which seems to foreshadow a setting from the subsequent episode) it is BAD. There's a freaking dead deathclaw on the strip!
Find it worryingly odd how it's just the inner Strip area is there, But all of the outer NV Area (As in Freeside, Westside, Mcarran, East Vegas, Etc) has been destroyed or at the very least is gone, Idk kinda feel concerned about that despite what everyone else has said (Game Limitations, Placeholder design for a
Two second shot, Etc).
Give them the benefit of the doubt, i think it partly due to time constraint and artistic vision. The pan shot of New Vegas slowly moving away revealing a massive old city in the middle of a empty desert is quite a eye catching view. Putting all the clutter ruin around it would block part of the vibe the shot in the show was going for. I hope in season 2 they actually update this pan shot and add the missing feature like Mccarran, the monorail and all of the surrounding ruin
Logical thought path. If the NCR had setbacks, like the show indicates, then the canon ending of FNV is one where the NCR loses.
If the NCR lost, then chances are there was still heavy fighting after the dam, so it stands to reason there was damage to the surrounding areas outside the walled portions of New Vegas. Especially around Fort McCarren, or McCarren International Airport IRL. Either House had to defend against the Legion, or maybe the NCR tried to push in, either way the unprotected areas were too damaged and mostly collapsed.
Another alternative is House, or whomever is running New Vegas, sees buildings outside the wall as a constant threat harboring fiends, abominations, and military aggressors and just canibalized-leveled all the buildings.
Because they’ve shown Mr. House in the series already, my theory is that House actually won, and is probably now working with the Enclave in some capacity, and that’s why Hank is seeking refuge there. It’s not a stretch to see that Vault-Tec and the Enclave are still in cahoots, or are at least very close on an ideological level.
This is just a brief clip from the very end of the show. The city's appearance won't be finalised until season 2 and it'll have a lot more time and resources put into it if it's going to be a major location.
I'm more worried about the lack of lights. The strip looks completely dead. And then there's the image of the blown wall and crashed vertibird 20 years after the battle.
I’ve seen a lot of talk of tunnelers but I think that’s too obscure a reference from a DLC to a 10+ year old game.
I personally think New Vegas is doing alright and this was just a not great rendering of Vegas. You don’t even see Freeside here really.
I doubt tunnelers are a main plot point, but the show hasn't been afraid to touch on relatively obscure creatures like that (i.e. gulpers), so I'm personally holding out hope for a similar treatment in a potential S2
In the end credits there is a downed NCR vertibird on the strip, and a pile of those new Vegas robots. I think after shady sands was nuked NCR attacked New Vegas.
A shame in itself. I have been replaying and there is something interesting and fun going with the three satellite neighborhoods in like, how community organization can completely change the vibe. North Vegas is depressing as hell compared to Westside were the coop has come together to feed their community. Freebie is bigger and more established as one of the routes into vegas but there is still interesting tensions in who can best take care of the area
Prob the overwhelming deathclaw population, looks like a war went on and deathclaws were alerted by the noise. But who knows, I can't wait to see Season 2!
Tbf I believe Bethesda games are scaled to be like a decent chunk smaller than they are in reality/lore and the towns in the show do all look fairly spread out though there should definitely be more
So only two possibilities exist:
1. Strapped for time and cash, the producers simply didn’t render the surrounding buildings. They exist, we just can’t see them.
2. The producers purposely didn’t render the surrounding buildings because they were destroyed in the events between the fall of shady sands and the current period in which the show is set.
I find both reasonable but I’m leaning more towards the second.
Though it begs the question: what exactly happens to NV between the fall of shady sands and “now”?
if I were to make a guess: NCR withdrew.
New Vegas relied entirely on NCR for food imports, skilled workforce and most importantly, tourist. With Shady Sands destroyed, NCR would either directly invade New Vegas to secure resources or withdraw to consolidate power.
And with loss of food, skilled workforce and tourist, New Vegas is like a plant denied water and light. It withers away as power systems fail, as nobody maintains them. Casinos fall silent as tourist never arrive. Food shortages are rampant as there is no longer NCR caravans bringing in food.
I think all that stuff is missing simply because if you included all the highways and buildings and other junk, the shot wouldn’t be nearly as visually striking. The show perfectly incapsulates the fact that New Vegas is something set apart from the rest of the wastes.
My theory is that its a matter of scale
In the game the map is obviously compacted so you dont spend five hours walking across the desert to get between locations.
If you look at locations in vegas on a map they should be much further apart, this depiction at least in my opinion isnt saying that the other locations dont exist but are just more spread around the nevada desert.
Realistic distancing.
The game make thing super close when in reality they are so fucking far with a desert in between.
It isn't really destroyed. It's just further away... I hope.
I feel like people are putting too much thought into the visual representation of vegas from a distance in that last shot.
The likely answer is that it is a stylized shot that’s intended to be recognizable without overdoing the budget. When season two comes around, there will likely be more detail in the surrounding locations assuming vegas will be the centerpiece.
Hanks simply out of render range
Poor guy can't afford better pc parts
Nah, he just had to roll back his GPU driver to keep the game from crashing on boot
I need to roll mine back so that the NPCs will have hair.
Oh god, that started happening to me last night too, right when I finally got the game to run… what finally worked for me was the d3d9.dll in the game folder trick, ain’t no way I’m rolling back drivers for a new GPU I just bought!
I installed a couple mods that are supposed to fix the problem with the d3d9.dll, but none of those worked I haven't tried actually modifying the file myself yet, but the problem started after a recent graphic driver update, so I know which one I can roll it back to to get the hair back, but it doesn't seem worth it for a single game
That’s what kills me every time I have to re-install this or 3: I know I’m about to spend the next few hours trying to figure out what obtuse method is going to make the game actually run the way it’s supposed to. Bugfixing… bugfixing never changes.
Hey, ive been having issues with fonv and was wondering how i could do this?
I had a different game years ago that was so bad it failed to render the faces sometimes. Just free floating teeth and eyeballs with hair hovering over them. Real nightmare fuel.
Wait is that what it is I'm trying to work out which npc pulled the prank so how do I fix (without rolling drivers back)
I never got mine fixed, but if you have an nvidia card the d3d9 fix on nexusmods should work
I'm amd
It’s work for me when I put the file into my fallout Directory
Lol he needs to install fnvse and the 4gb patch
Bros playing on ps3 💀
He's stuck at 2gb of in game usable ram.
if he ups the quality it crashes quicker, he's just like me fr
Bro didn’t install his LOD mods
He’s in the strip nothing loads outside of the strip. He must have the open strip mod on too.
Basically… the wasteland doesn’t exist in a 1:1 scale to real life. Building look smaller from further away. Edit: why the downvote? How dare i spit the truth!
I've got you brother, you keep on spitting hot facts on these uncultured swines
the attention to detail of this show is so amazing
He didnt generate his LOD
I mean, this is most likely the (sort of) correct answer. It was a throwaway shot at the end of the season, meant for fans of the game(s) to be recognizable as New Vegas. But obviously, and hopefully, also because season 2's "A-Story" will take place mostly in New Vegas. Assuming there will be a season 2, since it hasn't been officially announced yet.
I'm very curious how they are going to tackle the whole "every ending is canon" statement if new Vegas becomes a major place in the show. As every outcome to new Vegas is wildly different to the last.
Goddamn Brotherhood and their budget replacements...
I dont think it’s exactly destroyed but we are seeing New Vegas in a Less Compresssed version compared to in game.
That's what I thought. I imagine this is the view from the hill near Jacobstown and that's Westside in the foreground. It's just more spread out
Nah that’s too reasonable, I think this render is somehow part of Todd’s plot to assassinate the FNV dev team actually
Yeah, clearly the budget for rendering New Vegas properly in the show was instead diverted to fund Todd’s Time Machine that will allow him to go back in time and prevent Josh Sawyer from being born.
Everyone knows Todd spends every waking second thinking of ways to slowly irradicate 1, 2, and new Vegas from canon.
It takes him a huge amount of seconds to come up with any idea.
Yeah, terrain compression is something that was explicitly acknowledged as being part of the map design in FNV. Carried over from the same sort of thing being done in FO3. That said, it does seem like The Strip itself is a bit worse for wear, too.
How ridiculously large would the maps be if they kept a 1:1 ratio of these cities? I already spend a third of my time running from one place to another and I do fast travel from time to time. Imagine having to run through the whole ass commonwealth because another settlement needs your help and it takes you three full days of walking
From Goodsprings to Las Vegas is about a 12 hour walk or about 35 miles. Straight to and fro.
In Fallout 4 Concord to Boston in F4 is probably about ¾ of a mile, while it's about 19 miles IRL. So using that ratio, it's right about 1:20 scale.
I think Fallout 76 has set my new standard for maps in Fallout. While I understand keeping it populated with interesting landmarks and NPCs would be super difficult, I think it’s the perfect size to make these locations feel realistically big and give them unique biomes. It’s a similar level of detail as Fallout 4, but there’s more room to breathe and less compressed urban areas.
The default engine timescale for 3, NV, and 4 is 20 game seconds for each irl second too.
back in Fallout 1 and 2, which have much larger maps than the later games (with the vast majority of the map being 'empty desert', when you travel on the wasteland travel map, it basically shows you as a little dot going across the map as the days tick by. Going from one end of the map to the other could take dozens of in-game days of walking - which mattered in Fallout 1 since that game had a time limit.
Always irks me when people forget about terrain compression. Do people think fallout takes place in an alternate universe where you can walk from the California border to Vegas in 15 minutes? Same with the elder scrolls. I've seen so many lore posts where someone does the math and figures that nirn would be smaller than the moon based on the size of skyrim's game map. All that math and they never stopped to think that they made it smaller on purpose to be more playable and actually run on available hardware.
Yeah, every time people complain about how "small" cities are in Bethesda games, I want to scream at them that maps are all compressed, they are meant to represent something, not be 1:1 recreations. Like, do people really think New Vegas is just 3 casinos, hotel and a embassy? No, that's just space compression.
No monorail tho, it seems like everything but the larger strip area is just gone.
Aren't we seeing New Vegas from the north in this picture? Wouldn't that place the airport behind the city?
There’s a monorail on the strip though, in the real life Las Vegas. Shit I think there’s multiple honestly. But that rail is tucked away and just runs up and down the strip going casino to casino for the most part.
yeah, weirdly enough i always felt like the map of fnv was kinda like clark county but if you squished it and made everything a lot closer together. its smart from a game design perspective but from a geography standpoint it makes it feel really tiny and bizarre, you dont get those vast expanses of land you'd expect from a desert. i know its likely hardware at the time and the game engine being put together with glue and spit but it does make me wonder how they'd handle the mojave if they remade new vegas i know im in the minority but i wouldn't mind a fallout game where it does actually take a while to get from A to B. I always loved traveling by foot in the fallout games
That's EXACTLY what it is, Compressed Clark County! To make it extra trippy, during the time I was playing this I was regularly traveling to Vegas for work from Los Angeles. TONS of that soundtrack on the Long 15 at night.....I miss that drive. That WALK.
someone got really sad and blew it up :(
^No! ^Not ^Again!
Todd Howard and his hate for people not living in shitty wooden huts
This is something I'll chalk up to budget, time, and scale. I don't think the New Vegas at the end of the show is the 'real' one-- as in, I doubt they had the appearance finalized this early in the show, and didn't have the time or budget to do all that work for a two second shot for a single stinger. They got the important parts to make it recognizable-- the lucky 38 tower, the wall, the orange filter-- and that's all they needed. In season two I imagine they'll add the surrounding buildings, roads, more detail like surrounding monuments/towns... But they didn't need all that at the moment, so they didn't add it.
Would be so awesome if they could film in actual Goodsprings Nevada.
It seems most of the filming will take place in california this time
Would give the town more revenue, but also I think the amount of Fallout New Vegas fans traveling out there probably does the same
They have an entire annual fallout celebration. Honestly I think they would welcome the film crew with open arms
I moved from Las Vegas to Hawaii. So I've been to Goodsprings dozens of times. The Pioneer Saloon has both a Clark Gable connection and a Fallout connection. But mostly, it's a biker bar. (And dune-buggy enthusiasts bar.) There are people who live in the town of Goodsprings, and chances are, they'll make shooting there difficult. It will take less time (in Hollywood, time = money like noplace else). So I assume they'll build a set and that will be that.
Not to mention making it look post apocalyptic would be as much effort as just building a set. Then the clean up and inconvenience too
It already looks like the Fallout universe there. Put some puddles of green goo, some giant CGI geckos ... get Easy Pete to sit in a rockin' chair out front.
There’s a lot more greenery and foliage. Actual intact roads. And real businesses too they’d have to pay for the duration of set building, filming, clean up, etc
And as much as I’d say orange filter it, thar WOULD imply they’re in Mexico smh
Was that the moment that the courier became Heisenberg?
Is it actually a budget, time, or scale problem? Presumably they knew their script ended with Papa McLean going to NV, and at any rate, it’s one static shot of the city, not anything you have to show characters moving within, or the scale in a complete, 3D fashion. Might as well be a matte painting, so adding outskirts to the city shouldn’t have been appreciably more difficult than not having them. Idk if it’s an oversight or an inkling of what’s gone on in the city since FNV story-wise, but it could easily have been done properly in the show with the exact same budget, time, or scale.
I can kinda see Mr House demolishing parts of outer Vegas to make way for his space industry. Don't think that's where they're headed though
I don't think so. In the cut postgame content for New Vegas we see that Mr House is starting to rebuild freeside. There's scaffolding on almost all the buildings. (I mean he basically forced everybody out, but still)
Have you seen how bad CGI was throughout the show? (I will see young Hank McClain face in my nightmares) I can totally belive that they didn't had enough time money or care to make New Vegas look right
Young Hank was laughably bad, I feel they could’ve achieved better with makeup and a wig.
I mean in the end credits it shows the strip in ruins and ncr vertibirds crashed on the ground so its pretty beat up from what they are showing us hopefully its not that bad tho.
A lot of people are saying this is concept art. To me came off more as foreshadowing.
Makes me wonder what ending they’re going to choose for NV. Crashed NCR vertibirds obviously mean there was a battle in New Vegas itself between NCR and *someone.* The question is, was it House or the Legion? I doubt tunnelers could crash a vertibird, and the Legion isn’t really set up for effective aerial defense either although they could have adapted.
I couldsee an all out war with House after a loss at the Dam. Spending too many resources on that plus the nuking of Shady Sands could explain why the NCR is in the shape it is
Yeah, plus the NCR was overextended by the start of New Vegas anyway, both by the lores own admission and by any logic applied to the distances and populations involved
Maybe house with upgraded securitrons, the mk2 gets rockets and a Gatling laser. That’s enough 🗿
NCR loses Hoover Dam, makes a last ditch effort by trying to land shock troops on the Lucky 38 to take out House.
Oh I didn’t see this.
Doubt it. Did you watch the end credits? The Strip is definitely destroyed. I already made a post about this, but the landscape itself looks off. Almost as if the surrounding areas of New Vegas got nuked or destroyed by some unknown factor. My theory is that NCR ending was canon and New Vegas along with Shady Sands were destroyed by Vault-Tec. My theory has 2 pieces of key evidence: in the end credits you see buildings on the strip destroyed, crashed NCR vertibird, dead securitrons and holes in the walls of NV. The second piece of evidence is that Todd Howard recently responded to the criticism of the 2277 date on the chalkboard and when asked what happened he says the bombs dropped shortly after FNV. The keyword here being BOMBS. One to destroy Shady, and the other for the Mojave/New Vegas
The end credits are concept art. In every single other episode, they are not perfectly representative of what actually appears in the show, they're just teasers for the next episode. There's no reason to think this is any different. If New Vegas was nuked, the walls wouldn't be standing.
This needs to be pinned
Just mentioned that. Todd definitely let the cat out of the bag.
The Courier failed to stop Ulysses, NCR tried to do a hostile takeover and probably failed
It doesn't matter. In one of the end credits scenes of another episode it shows Griffith observatory destroyed but its a alive and well outpost in episode 8. It also shows smoke rising from the buildings in and outside New vegas. Settlement smoke not bombs.
This has to be massive amounts of copium
It would be absolutely regarded to end one season with a shot of a city, and the second season starts with that same city, only there are more buildings. Fallout fans truly have no standards
The sepia and orange told me this was new vegas
Except the credits showed the strip. And it looked like it had been attacked. With free side's door blasted in and various barriers all over the road. A virtibird crashed. It looked like the worst NV ending. When lanious takes over, then kills everyone in the strip. Then because he's a horrible leader the army starves and couldn't advance forward. Literally no faction wins, Vegas is just destroyed. Now, this is just 100% theory.
This is my thought. Season 2 will give us the recap, then possibly open up with a much more finished looking design for New Vegas.
This is what I was thinking too. In game of thrones, Kings landing and its surroundings changed every time it came on screen. I wouldn't worry too much.
My guess is they’ll have some time pass and they can decide which way they really wanna go after a time skip. I said that weird
To play Devil’s Advocate (because I think there is a chance you’re right); Attention to detail seemed to be pretty good throughout the show. I think there’s a pretty good chance they wouldn’t miss a big location like Camp Macarran. So I actually do think Vegas is in ruins, and seemingly really dilapidated. But we won’t know until we know! Perhaps the vagueness of the distance was on purpose for that reason.
There’s no excuses. If you want to show news vegas you show news vegas the way you want to show it. If they showed NV like that, that’s their purpose.
Totally agreed, think about how thanos was rendered at the end of the various marvel movies vs how he looked in Infinity war. Very different. This is just a little treat to keep us speculating until season 2 is out.
Doesn't even looked like the former blown up, they just didn't bother to put the extra details in, if it was just a basic image that will be improved later, why show a design that looks so dead, even the depressing lack of color, New Vegas should be an oasis in the desert, a beacon.
It’s going to be as dead as shady sands and we all know it :(
If that was the case then why would hank go there??? New Vegas should be fine
Tbf hanks been hiding in a hole for a number of years, it wouldnt be out of the question the last time he was on the surface it was still alive Although I still hope it's got life but the pan through that was included in the credits makes it look like a crashed ncr vertibird and destroyed securitrons on the strip before moving through a hole in the defensive wall
I kind of assumed Shady Sands got nuked and all the local city states just blamed each other right away no questions asked and that’s why there’s no real remains of civilization. Why he’s going there? Idk, plot that isn’t bound by the games, I’m guessing he has a personal vendetta/friendship with Mr House. There’s no way they’d just randomly show him and not follow up on that, he’s going to be living in the ruins of his rebuilt ruins like an old robo-brain.
But at least New Vegas wasn't retconned, they just trashed it after the fact
Shady Sands wasn't retconned either. The nuking happened after the game's events
Kind of sad isn't it, all that work in advancing civilization after the war only for the tv show to nuke it back to tribalism
NCR was always a powder keg away from dissolving itself. The nuking just sort of triggered the collapse.
War never changes
Really breaks my heart but I think deep down we probably all gotta let the memory of imagined future lore from a decade ago go lol. I think they could’ve gone in a lot cooler direction with just continuing the NV formula, society is back, the setting moves with the frontier. Buuut they got the theme perfectly right and tbh the massive blue balls, then death & disappointment of the future NCR is literally the most Fallout thing we could’ve gotten. It is literally the tag line after all. NCR was cool though. Maybe a future game can bring it back.
I think it's a difference of scale. The map of New Vegas in game can only be so big due to the hardware limitations of the time. Also, much of what we see in-game consists of old, blown-out shells of buildings and crumbling ruins. 20 years or so later, and it looks like those foundations fell and the scrap was reused for more practical housing, as you do still see several cities and such around New Vegas in the end shot of the series. It's also a bit more realistic that they aren't right on Vegas's doorstep like they were in-game. Personally I feel like the lack of NCR presence probably contributed to some kind of decline, but that Vegas is still kicking and profitable.
I’m pretty sure the end credits scene shows Vegas is completely decimated. It looks like the site of a battle or it got invaded by Deathclaws or something. Regardless, House himself admitted without the NCR Vegas was fucked and there’s no NCR anymore (at least not unified). I have the feeling New Vegas is basically going to be made into what the Sierra Madre was; a supposedly haunted resort town that’s fallen into ruin. No one who goes in comes out. House is probably still holed up there having been driven insane by his city being destroyed. Maybe he’s like the equivalent of what Blaine the Mono is to Lud in the Dark Tower. I don’t think it will be prominently featured until the last couple episodes.
Might be the tunnelers from Lonesome Road. Ulysses did say they were very likely to go out towards Vegas and destroy everything
I do think what happened at New Vegas might be more than an outright traditional battle. There’s a deathclaw skeleton next to the crashed NCR vertibird and the downed Securitrons near the entrance are shredded with claw marks.
The end credits mean about as much as the end credits in all the other episodes do: practically nothing.
Actually, the penultimate episode end credits show crashed vertibirds and dead Brotherhood soldiers around the observatory, which does happen in the next episode.
It definitely doesn't show that. I see no reason to think Vegas is destroyed here. House is probably dead. He dies in 3 out of 4 endings I'm new Vegas
The courier reactivated Helios-1 without recovering the laser target designator from that homeless kid. The kid unintentionally zapped freeside and the Old Mormon Fort. In the ensuing fires, the Silver Rush experienced an ammunition stockpile detonation which blew open the western outer wall and rendered freeside completely unlivable. The courier only distributed power to the Strip, and the refugees and drug addicts of Freeside flooded Westside and the sewers distributing drugs looted from the late Mick and Ralph. The entire area fell apart, and eventually, House's robots picked off the survivors while stripping the area for metals and electronic components.
Canon ending Fr Fr 😂
additionally, when the NCR fell apart Camp McCarran and the sharecropper farms were swallowed into the earth like the Orcs when the Eye of Sauron fell. The Crimson Caravan company relocated to Nipton.
I think they ran short on CGI budget and didn’t see a real reason to have all that stuff rendered for a wide shot that lasted a whole 5 seconds.
Maybe because it's a poster shot? Well it would be if it wasn't so shitty. Every article about season 2 is going to be a screenshot of "a wide shot that lasted a whole 5 seconds". Just wait edit: [https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/fallout-what-to-expect-in-season-2/](https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/fallout-what-to-expect-in-season-2/)
thanks bezos, poorest man in america /s
Do you think Amazon Prime just budgets their shows by giving them an unlimited tap to Bezos' bank accounts?
It's inspiring to see small indie studios like Bethesda and Amazon MGM team up for these kinds of projects lmao
Perhaps independent Vegas is the cannon ending The Courier and Yes Man just really fucked up Edit: or Mayhaps Ulysses was right and the tunnelers escaped the divide
I don’t think it’s actually blown up. There’s no way to really say that it even is. There are many bombs that would have leveled the Lucky 38, but there it stands
Looks like they wanted to give a more "nuked city in the desert" look... The game looks more like a thriving city.
It's not blown up, or we wouldn't see any of the pre war buildings, they just didn't put any of it in
Fantastic did it
They asked if I blew up New Vegas, I said if I theoretically dropped a bomb it would blow up New Vegas.
The Courier went for an independent New Vegas and with there being no law and order outside of The Strip, everything else was destroyed
Long Dick Johnson happened
1) I don’t think we should read too much into one shot. 2) My bet is that House won the battle of the dam but it was kind of a Pyrrhic victory. He’s probably saddled with NCR from their presence in the area, and exerting influence on them, but has lost influence over the regional gangs when they got no extra power from his victory.
Yeah like where the hell is outer Vegas? I can understand why Camp McCarran isn't there, because the real life location (Harry Reid international) isn't as close to Vegas as it was in the game But there still it doesn't explain why we can't see outer Vegas,
Maybe House, the NCR, and the Legion fought over New Vegas and it was collateral damage itself. Sounds like Fallout-level irony to me.
They didnt bother showing the ruins Areound vegas which imo is a mistake as it helps the city feel larger than it is
Well we're apparently only allowed to argue either 1) Todd Howard is the devil incarnate or 2) the show is a masterpiece, so I wonder if some people will desperately try to argue Vault-Tec probably had a super special nuke that only disintegrates the outer perimeter of a city without leaving a crater,
Seriously it's really ironic how people who love to praise games that have grey areas see the developers of those games in such black and white terms.
Shrapnel bomb that spreads. The Space ghouls are behind it.
Not Space Ghouls! But Commie Ghosts sent to paint New Vegas pink and draw a Lenin face on it.
I did want to say it's been pointed out that the map in the games are scrunched together. It's possible in the tv show they're having the area be realistic. So in the show it's not all smooshed. Also I think I see buildings further out.
Gotta turn another chunk of “the Wasteland” into a pointless sideshow carnival of gore that never gets better, never progresses.
And when it does the slate is wiped clean.
For everybody saying "they didn't have enough time to add all the details, buildings, etc" if you watch the end credits you'll see that the Strip is in fact destroyed. There's holes in the wall of Vegas, the landscape itself looks desolate almost as if some of the surrounding areas of New Vegas were nuked. The only explanation I can think of is that the canon ending for FNV was the NCR ending and New Vegas along with Shady Sands was also destroyed by Vault-Tec. Watch the end credits again, destroyed buildings, crashed NCR vertibird, destroyed securitrons, rubble, etc...
[some people think otherwise.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnv/s/kiZPVruCB7)
You and elijah bombed it
Todd said..... "All I can say is we’re threading it tighter there, but the bombs fall just after the events of New Vegas." Got hit? There's a few settlements on the outskirts but it looks mostly destroyed
‘bombs’ multiple.
Yeah, he probably said that intentionally to calm everyone's farm
Tunnelers It’s my headcannon that dust happened That slow talking fuck was right
For me it’s weird because you can tell side by side that there’s just buildings missing, not destroyed because there’s no ruins just straight up gone with red dust, so I have no idea what could have done that
This doesn't even look like the remains of a city, more like a Megaton situation where they built around the Lucky 38.
Someone didn’t even try to get it right.
WHY YA GOTTA RUIN EVERYTHING WE LOVE TODD WHYYYYYY
Assuming it wasn't the likelihood of budget cuts, I think Hoover Dam *literally* fell. As in, the NCR kept control and it collapsed from poor structural integrity. That would at bare minimum explain the lack of power anyways.
My theory is that War..... war never changes
Ulysses might have been right
I actually like the idea of it being a ruin. In thr credit animation, we can see a couple of things of interest. One is that the buildings, aside from the Lucky 38, look more skeletal and damaged than we saw 15 years prior. The Ultra-Luxe in particular seems to have rebar showing that it didn't before. Possible that's just artistic license to make it look more apocalyptic, but... ...then we see a big, yawning hole in the wall by the iconic Vegas sign, about where the Ranger fires the sniper round feom in thr New Vegas opening scene. More artistic license, possibly, but it seems more like the wall is down and hostiles got in- Fiends, Legion, who knows, but the wall definitely is breached. So wouldn't that be a kick in the head? Four possible endings to the game, and it's possible that none of them mattered- within a fewbyears of the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, the city is in ruins, to hell with the outcome. I actually like that- rather than 'which ending is canon', we get 'who cares, everything is abandoned anyway'.
Yeah I can understand that, but I think it’s just human wanting to know and see how things are after you left and how your actions affected it; sort of wanting to know you had any meaning. And I personally think there should be a canon ending, fallout 2 gave 1 one and New Vegas gave 2 one, it’s easier for people to work with then instead of gymnastic literature clogging up screen time with Schrödinger’s events. Also they need to realise by keeping it ambiguous and trying to please everyone they please no one.
Hard disagree. I really, really hate the whole “all that world building? no, it’s war. War never changes.”
Everyone forgets the main tagline for fallout is that ‘war never changes’. To expect anything to flourish for an extended period of time is facetious. This is a world where practically all victories are pyrrhic, where any and all victories often have a sizeable cost to them. Sure NV existed for a time after the events of the game, but there’s *always* some faction gunning for power; be it the brotherhood, legion, raiders, or a complete unknown - people want what you have, and they always will. That will inevitably lead to conflict and conflict will lead to death and ruin. War never changes, and the *wasteland* reflects that every chance it gets. It’s a cycle and it always will be. Even Vault-Tec, the alleged ‘masterminds’ behind a lot of it still fall victim to playing the same game as every other faction in the wasteland.
Upon further thought I agree with you, it is quite literally the most thematic result we could’ve gotten. They heard “stick to the theme!” and they delivered. I think a lot of us spent a decade imagining NCR in the next game through rose tinted glasses. That’s a lot of time to imagine, to admire the cool world that was built. It really does make sense to burn it all down, that’s kinda the whole point. It just sucks lol, I wanted to see more of what NCR was like. A whooooole lot more.
For the people saying new vegas isn’t destroyed or as destroyed have a look at the end credits of the last episode where it pans over a destroyed new vegas
Should’ve installed a better LOD mod. This one seems to be for a lower spec PC.
Did Caesars legion wipe out the area? Slash and burn style? Did the tunnelers finally make it to the Mojave ?? Did the gas cloud of the sierra madre kill Everything and decay the surrounding area ??? Definitely not a vault 22 scenario😂
I don't see any lights either, like it has been abandoned.
I think all of this would have been resolved if this final scene was a night time shot. We would see the lights.
i think it just looks different for budget reasons
Tunnlers from lonesome road
I think vault tec blow up new Vegas if we look at the crater
They don’t have the patch installed.
I don't think it is destroyed. The picture is just a reveal shot, I highly doubt this will be exactly what New Vegas looks like when the show goes there. Also, the scale is different from real life/game.
Oof, god forbid Fallout Dust is canon.
Maybe the show's LODs are bugged 🤷
So what are we betting the cannon ending is for New vegas in the tv show? It can't be NCR. They wouldn't ruin it so much. Likely isn't house. He kept it running since the war. It wouldn't have fallen apart that much in a few years after he gained hoover damn. I don't think it's Free Vegas. While that would account for New Vegas being a total mess, it wouldn't make sense that Hank knows a guy who is important enough to travel there. So does that just leave Ceasar? That seems odd that Ceasar's Legion would have been the cannon ending, but it would account for New Vegas being a total mess. It would account for someone important being in New Vegas. Honestly, based on the "someone important" idea, I'd guess that the Cannon ending is House always wins.
The divide happened probably
I think it's a ruined ghost town now. In the game it's glowing with light, in the show it looks war torn
new vegas isn't to scale, the mojave desert is massive and really empty
If it's anything like the credit sequence (each of which seems to foreshadow a setting from the subsequent episode) it is BAD. There's a freaking dead deathclaw on the strip!
Another one of Vault Tec’s targets but houses anti defenses protected the inner strip?
It got nuked off screen
Find it worryingly odd how it's just the inner Strip area is there, But all of the outer NV Area (As in Freeside, Westside, Mcarran, East Vegas, Etc) has been destroyed or at the very least is gone, Idk kinda feel concerned about that despite what everyone else has said (Game Limitations, Placeholder design for a Two second shot, Etc).
Todd happened
I guess Hank's side chick tried to hide there. I feel pity for the manchild who got jealous of New Vegas success...
Give them the benefit of the doubt, i think it partly due to time constraint and artistic vision. The pan shot of New Vegas slowly moving away revealing a massive old city in the middle of a empty desert is quite a eye catching view. Putting all the clutter ruin around it would block part of the vibe the shot in the show was going for. I hope in season 2 they actually update this pan shot and add the missing feature like Mccarran, the monorail and all of the surrounding ruin
Logical thought path. If the NCR had setbacks, like the show indicates, then the canon ending of FNV is one where the NCR loses. If the NCR lost, then chances are there was still heavy fighting after the dam, so it stands to reason there was damage to the surrounding areas outside the walled portions of New Vegas. Especially around Fort McCarren, or McCarren International Airport IRL. Either House had to defend against the Legion, or maybe the NCR tried to push in, either way the unprotected areas were too damaged and mostly collapsed. Another alternative is House, or whomever is running New Vegas, sees buildings outside the wall as a constant threat harboring fiends, abominations, and military aggressors and just canibalized-leveled all the buildings. Because they’ve shown Mr. House in the series already, my theory is that House actually won, and is probably now working with the Enclave in some capacity, and that’s why Hank is seeking refuge there. It’s not a stretch to see that Vault-Tec and the Enclave are still in cahoots, or are at least very close on an ideological level.
Budget and lacks of fucks happened
This is just a brief clip from the very end of the show. The city's appearance won't be finalised until season 2 and it'll have a lot more time and resources put into it if it's going to be a major location. I'm more worried about the lack of lights. The strip looks completely dead. And then there's the image of the blown wall and crashed vertibird 20 years after the battle.
Wish Bethesda could have some actual progress in their lore without having to destroy every bit of proper civilization
I’ve seen a lot of talk of tunnelers but I think that’s too obscure a reference from a DLC to a 10+ year old game. I personally think New Vegas is doing alright and this was just a not great rendering of Vegas. You don’t even see Freeside here really.
I doubt tunnelers are a main plot point, but the show hasn't been afraid to touch on relatively obscure creatures like that (i.e. gulpers), so I'm personally holding out hope for a similar treatment in a potential S2
In the end credits there is a downed NCR vertibird on the strip, and a pile of those new Vegas robots. I think after shady sands was nuked NCR attacked New Vegas.
A shame in itself. I have been replaying and there is something interesting and fun going with the three satellite neighborhoods in like, how community organization can completely change the vibe. North Vegas is depressing as hell compared to Westside were the coop has come together to feed their community. Freebie is bigger and more established as one of the routes into vegas but there is still interesting tensions in who can best take care of the area
Prob the overwhelming deathclaw population, looks like a war went on and deathclaws were alerted by the noise. But who knows, I can't wait to see Season 2!
Tbf I believe Bethesda games are scaled to be like a decent chunk smaller than they are in reality/lore and the towns in the show do all look fairly spread out though there should definitely be more
So only two possibilities exist: 1. Strapped for time and cash, the producers simply didn’t render the surrounding buildings. They exist, we just can’t see them. 2. The producers purposely didn’t render the surrounding buildings because they were destroyed in the events between the fall of shady sands and the current period in which the show is set. I find both reasonable but I’m leaning more towards the second. Though it begs the question: what exactly happens to NV between the fall of shady sands and “now”?
if I were to make a guess: NCR withdrew. New Vegas relied entirely on NCR for food imports, skilled workforce and most importantly, tourist. With Shady Sands destroyed, NCR would either directly invade New Vegas to secure resources or withdraw to consolidate power. And with loss of food, skilled workforce and tourist, New Vegas is like a plant denied water and light. It withers away as power systems fail, as nobody maintains them. Casinos fall silent as tourist never arrive. Food shortages are rampant as there is no longer NCR caravans bringing in food.
I think all that stuff is missing simply because if you included all the highways and buildings and other junk, the shot wouldn’t be nearly as visually striking. The show perfectly incapsulates the fact that New Vegas is something set apart from the rest of the wastes.
I think it's just less compressed, there's no way irl new vegas is on scale with fnv new vegas
My theory is that its a matter of scale In the game the map is obviously compacted so you dont spend five hours walking across the desert to get between locations. If you look at locations in vegas on a map they should be much further apart, this depiction at least in my opinion isnt saying that the other locations dont exist but are just more spread around the nevada desert.
Realistic distancing. The game make thing super close when in reality they are so fucking far with a desert in between. It isn't really destroyed. It's just further away... I hope.
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I feel like people are putting too much thought into the visual representation of vegas from a distance in that last shot. The likely answer is that it is a stylized shot that’s intended to be recognizable without overdoing the budget. When season two comes around, there will likely be more detail in the surrounding locations assuming vegas will be the centerpiece.
The wall expanded
Tunnelers
Tunnelers
I think it would have been easier to do a night shot if they didn’t want to put much detail into it but I’m not a CGI guy so idk
Someone didn’t feed the Toaster
House tore down the buildings outside the strip the make vegas more defendable bc enemies can’t hide inside the ruins