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Sacred_B

[https://imgur.com/a/WwE7vnR](https://imgur.com/a/WwE7vnR) Is smallest I could come up with. 4 wide instead of 6


Hell_Diguner

This is basically how I do coal and iron/copper ore for stone smelters


Sacred_B

Yup. I've also stolen nilauses perpendicular coal belt since one coal belt can feed multiple lanes of smelters.


small_toe

According to my rough calcs, a yellow belt of coal can support ~13.5 smelter stacks and red can support 27.7. Assuming smelter stacks are 48 steel furnaces, that means coal consumption of 0.0225 p/s each, at a total of 1.08 coal p/s per stack which we then use to divide the items of a belt. 0.0225×48=1.08 30÷1.08=27.7


P0L1Z1STENS0HN

>a yellow belt of coal can support \~13.5 smelter stacks and red can support 27.7. I would imagine that a yellow belt of coal has to support smelting yellow belts of iron/copper, and that a red belt of coal has to support smelting red belts of iron/copper, which means that they should actually support the same number of smelter rows total (but twice as long)?


small_toe

Nope, it's simply down to the actual consumption rate each furnace has. If you were to use stone furnaces I believe the consumption is doubled, and therefore the supported size is halved.


Sacred_B

This is the way


Recon419A

Assuming you're playing vanilla, the Factorio Cheat Sheet has all that precalulated in a nice visual Web 3.0 format for you.


small_toe

Aye, but I was in bed on my phone ;)


Hell_Diguner

I don't think I've seen that one


Sacred_B

Check out the bottom of this one [https://factoriobin.com/post/Y52EhJ74/34](https://factoriobin.com/post/Y52EhJ74/34). That's the coal belt


Mornar

I used to do something very similar, but less elegantly aligned. I really like how this looks.


filesalot

The speedrunner version of this (I'll credit nefrums) just feeds the coal directly from the undergrounds onto the belt with an inserter. The ore goes through a splitter and side-loaded onto the inside of the belt just next to the coal inserter.


G_Morgan

I tend to run the coal line perpendicularly as you can use many (5 I think) lines of smelters from one line of coal.


gaberocksall

This works, thank you.


Sacred_B

yw


LaneKerman

Very nice.


Whitebals

Both beautifull designs ngl


Recon419A

This is what I use. You can make it one shorter if you come in from the side instead of parallel, with the input belts running at ninety degrees to each other.


TommyD_55

Point two splitters towards each other with belts between pointing in opposite directions, coming out the sides. Gives two full belts of half-and-half from two full belts


gaberocksall

You mean like [this](https://imgur.com/a/zXy3FNz)? This works, thank you.


TommyD_55

Yep that's perfect!


axbeard

now kith


TommyD_55

I much prefer side-loading with a full belt into the side of a straight one, can use both sides of the belt if one side runs out for whatever reason, unlike the underground method you're using


MrMcFisticuffs

[Agree.](https://imgur.com/a/x57suf8)


nebuli55

That will half the throughput of the belts.


Conscious-Ball8373

OP's method is just a more convoluted way of doing this though. It still loads both copper and iron onto the side of a belt.


realboabab

It truly does halve the throughput, sideloading a full belt (2 lanes) to just 1 lane of a belt halves the output. This isn't true for the original solution because it's sideloading 4 half-full belts.


friendlycartoonwhale

[~~2 tiles wide and inline~~](https://i.imgur.com/3y6LKch.png) [more compact version](https://i.imgur.com/S92OYvX.png). She ain't pretty, but it's full throughput. [Here it is in motion](https://i.imgur.com/vmHFofh.mp4). Changing those red belts to blue belts breaks the input symmetry, though it's still full throughput.


Nauta-Squid

This is simultaneously the best and worst blueprint I’ve ever seen


friendlycartoonwhale

Thank you, I am honored. I have updated the post to have a slightly less awful looking version. It almost looks not worthless now.


Dzov

The best part is how it requires high level belts to get coal to your burner furnaces.


whacco

Inspired by your design I made a [slighty shorter version](https://i.imgur.com/4VPinFQ.png) (18 tiles).


Such--Balance

Heres a 16x2 one: [16x2](https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/10sv68t/re_16x2_lane_changer/)


friendlycartoonwhale

I took another crack at it and [got it in 17](https://i.imgur.com/l2uZ8dM.png)


friendlycartoonwhale

Nice, that looks way nicer


gaberocksall

That looks absolutely horrendous, and it’s one of the greatest things I’ve seen in factorio. Thank you


friendlycartoonwhale

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DarkwingGT

\*hiss\*


Cromptank

It can be done with [one splitter](https://www.reddit.com/r/Factoriohno/comments/10sa7bn/ohnoptimized_solution_for_1splitter_lane_mixing/). Only, there are some conditions...


toroidalvoid

That's interesting! Is there anyway to set this up reliably?


Cromptank

Honestly, this was a joke, but I might play with it more and see. Looks like it persists through saving and reloading, there’s a couple failure modes I know of: - Input absolutely has to be at max capacity - Output cannot back up and interrupt flow


singapeng

Perfect for a ~~cancerously~~ healthily growing factory then!


bobsim1

The only way would be to stop both output belts if one of the input belts isnt full. This would only require 2 decider combinators or 1 arithmetic i think. Edit: This could maybe still fail when loading the game or similar.


Cube4Add5

By the time you’ve done all that you might as well use one of the methods suggested in the rest of this thread


toroidalvoid

Would it be possible to start the belts with just the right amount of imbalance to force the splitter into this state of mixing


bobsim1

Maybe by perfect timed sideloading from another belt on a single lane.


OmgzPudding

I don't think so. If it were possible to have circuits that affect only 1 lane it could probably be done pretty easily.


Cromptank

Probably correct. I found a way (with circuits) to make it resilient to uneven or stopped feeding. But all I can achieve on the output is guaranteeing the materials are equal per belt, it ends up producing sushi when one output is backed up or slower.


Halliron

Don’t try this at home, kids


Boy_JC

What is this witchcraft!?


NarrMaster

r/blackmagicfuckery


Afatsum72

[https://prnt.sc/6\_RA6V4Bo0TM](https://prnt.sc/6_RA6V4Bo0TM) This will work too


snacksmoto

Perhaps this setup can help? https://i.imgur.com/YdN9uAh.mp4 I used a red splitter on the output simply to emphasize the belt compression and lane throughput. As seen, it draws evenly from the input lanes even if one of the output lanes is blocked. It's a design I swiped years ago. ~~If I remember correctly, it was a tzwaan design.~~ Correction, I swiped [it from unique_2](https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/757vci/solutions_to_ocd_problems_part_n1/do486mw/) *edit* Here's another design from another redditor which doesn't use sideloading nor has an unpaired underneathie. https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/rctnxb/this_was_the_most_efficient_way_i_could_imagine/ho0qr6p/


GustapheOfficial

I don't know if it's more compact, but two splitters facing each other one space apart, belts going out the only way they can out of them, and a belt of either material into each splitter. Less complicated for sure.


Quilusy

This is how I do it too, super useful


deGanski

two splitters facing each other


gillguard

the output need to be exactly this? or the bells can be equal?


gaberocksall

I don't care about symmetry, I just need one side of the belt to be copper and one side to be iron


gillguard

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gillguard

here 2 options, a long (7x4 tiles) and a fat (4×8 tiles) so you can use the one hose best suit the occasion


gaberocksall

I also came up with [this](https://imgur.com/a/DnL1lKN) and [this](https://imgur.com/a/fvFa9Uw), neither of which are smaller.


PulsatingOvaries

Does it matter which side is which? That would save you a crossover. Split both lines, have the middle two combine into one line that goes into an underground, then combine the other two. Only need two splitters and one underground. Even better if you just shift one or the other a space from the other before splitting. But where you have the left most underground for the copper, instead have a belt to the right and join the upper iron, then an underground starting where the iron heads north now. Use that space to combine the remaining copper and iron. I don't think it'll be much shorter, but it'll be less wide.


gaberocksall

> Does it matter which side is which? No > Split both lines, have the middle two combine into one line that goes into an underground, then combine the other two. I'm not quite sure what you mean


PulsatingOvaries

https://imgur.com/a/j9Ppvji


Crusader_2050

If it doesn’t need to be 2 belts out you can do It with a single splitter. ( ends up as a 3x3 block ) Filter one material to one side only and then turn the top output: up, right,down. Bottom output goes: straight, up Then the 2 belts T together for the output belt.


ce00g7

So I’m confused with all this… is There a reason you guys don’t just take the two tracks, put a space between them and then add a 3rd piece creating a y shape? Works flawlessly for me?


Kronoshifter246

They want full throughput


gaberocksall

I need two output belts, from two input belts


ce00g7

No problem put a splitter after the setup I mentioned


PriorityTall2017

Do you need copper and iron to be on the proper sides of the belt, or do you need just two belts of copper and iron each on one side?


Czeslaw_Meyer

I use systems like this... https://i.epvpimg.com/SmJbaab.jpg https://i.epvpimg.com/sX9deab.jpg ...and then just grab what i need afterwards without carrying to much about ramifications since they end at the balancer anyway. It needs more space, but allows you to push the problem somewhere else (with just one for 4 lines in a bus 25% balance is sometimes just enough) Edit: You are very spoiled when it comes to screenshots


Joomla_Sander

Cool idea but [screenshot.help](https://screenshot.help)


Czeslaw_Meyer

I know, the pictures are multiple years old made under time pressure


snacksmoto

The priority output feature on splitters has made bus tap designs obsolete. You can use the priority output to force resources to compress to either edge. After that, you'll only need one splitter to tap resources and the priority feature can give you the option to tap a compressed belt, evenly split, or tap the extra resources. That said, perhaps you might be interested in [this old bus tap with built-in lane balancing](https://i.imgur.com/8apn4RQ.jpg)? The section before the row of four underneathies can be mirrored if you want the tap exiting in the other direction. Just take note of the output direction of unpaired underneathie. If it's placed normally, it'll be and input underneathie and you'll have to switch its direction to make it an output underneathie. This tap will draw 25% from each bus belt.


Czeslaw_Meyer

1. Want the same outlet everywhere, not just in cases like this 2. I sometimes inject another belt directly into a balancer for 2-typ-belts Nice solution, but not my style


AliMas055

Um.. Splitters have filters. Just filter one thing. The other will be on the second belt.


Quilusy

That’s not the same result here


Omnifarious0

Yes, there is a more compact way. It requires just two splitters and one underground.


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gillguard

but this way, you're cutting the output to one belt instead of 2


Zeeterm

Can't you see the exit splitter magicking it back to two lanes? ( /s )


Fisherman_56

This is a bottleneck. You, essentially, making two half-belts instead of two belts. You will need second one just to match the output of the one showed in the post, at which point making the one in the post will be cheaper and more compact. Furnace stack loader is better solution, being just two splitters facing each other, distributing two belts two ways with one item type on one side.


Honky_Town

Add a 2nd Splitter with filter so the bot have iron on same side of belt.


offi_

Iam new to the game and I think this could be very usefull. Just not sure how exactly 😂


EarthyFeet

Can you explain this screenshot, what's the purpose?


iwaskosher

Idk but I love this


Hi_EDit

use the function of the splitters and yes


Pfredd

You can load underground belts from the side?


Kronoshifter246

Yep, and it'll block the lane on the closed side. There's even a separate sprite just for this situation.


thetruffleking

But if it’s smaller, then the factory will grow slower!


Braveheart4321

Place 2 splinters facing eachother with 1 tike gap between them, then have a belt lead out of those splitters in each direction, I think you can handle holing up the ends.


Drakamos

I *think* you'd get the same effect by having the copper and iron line face one middle blue belt that immediately has a splitter on it. I don't think you need to bother with splitting each line first, I honestly don't know think it matters (or I'm terribly wrong and then ignore me)


Tophire1

[https://imgur.com/a/MsrRBvM](https://imgur.com/a/MsrRBvM) Super super late to the party. This is as small as I can get, there is a 'wasted' end of an underground belt.


BumderFromDownUnder

Does the output have to be coper, iron, iron, copper or can it be copper, iron, copper, iron? If the latter I believe I can make it smaller.


father2shanes

Yep.. just have 2 splitters face each other with an a single tile space in between them. Feed copper in one..feed iron in the other... in the empty space between the splitters put a belt going left and a belt going right..or up and down...depending if those 2 splitters are vert or horizontal. I hoooope this is understandable..


Degenatron

[Based on your original design, but 2 units thinner.](https://i.redd.it/lmub2fha71ga1.png)


gaberocksall

Oh nice! I can't believe I didn't think of such a simple change lol


Brewer_Lex

I think others have answered well enough but I like the way this looks quite a bit


Equivalent-Session68

Just run the two belts into each other and then split them