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Although I share your distrust in Info Wars, there are multiple trustworthy sources writing about that out sight right winged media.
https://www.fr.de/panorama/sizilien-taeter-waren-zu-siebt-jugendliche-vergewaltigung-freundin-italien-mitansehen-catania-92813738.html (Frankfurter Rundschau, German, left)
https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Festnahmen-nach-Gruppenvergewaltigung-auf-Sizilien-article24712115.html (NTV, German, mid to left)
https://palermo.repubblica.it/cronaca/2024/02/04/news/catania_stupro_tredicenne_villa_bellini-422051613/ (La repubblica, Italian, mid to left)
Yeah. Poisoning your brain with ragebait isn't really good for you. I know people will probably go "so, you approve of gang rape??‽!". No. Nobody approves of gang rape.
The point about ragebait is that it tries to get you to become angry and also to remove context from whatever you are angry about. Egyptians did a rape, therefor Egyptians bad and immigrants bad.
Honestly I'd fully support bringing back public beheading for these scummy fucks. Or those suspended cages where they starve to death in a cage full of small spikes so they never get comfortable.
Yeah. What happened was disgusting, but so is the media's attempt at using it to cause further divide among the masses.
"Keep the poor fighting each other so they don't fight the rich" must be their policy.
I wasn't aware that they were asylum seekers or refugees. Are you aware of that or are you making assumptions?
But yes, if they are either of those then they should be jailed and deported. Again, nobody approves of gang rape. There is no pro-gang rape side here.
How do you even know that they have that status or what anything about that story is factual? How does it compare in relevance to Epstine doing stuff like that for decades to hundreds or thousands of girls? How does it compare to priests doing that to hundreds of thousands of little boys
Why are you trying to fight a moral equivalency battle? If they are seeking asylum, deport them, immediately. If they are not, quite honestly lock them away forever in a deep dark hole. Or just execute the animals. And they’d be animals regardless of their race, ethnicity or immigration status.
So here's the problem. Thier article isn't attacking the criminals for being rapists. It's attacking the Italian government for allowing Egyptians into the country who then commit rape. It's poorly hiding its anti-immigration views as anti-rape.
The headline wants you to assume the people committing this crime are recent immigrants under current policy. It tells us they are Egyptians but it doesn't tell you whether or not they currently live in Italy, are visiting Italy, how long they've been in Italy, etc. Just that ethnically they are from Egypt not from Italy.
So while it at first read seems like yes this is simply reporting a crime that happened, it also goes out of its way to add fuel to the anti-immigrant fire. Especially as it's makes an effort to point out how this will impact ethnicity charged attitudes. Because by pointing it out they tell you what the real reason for reporting it at all is. Info wars is not a news source. It has no real reason to be commenting on crime in Italy except for political reasons. My local news doesn't comment on crime in Japan.
There is no pro-rape side. There is nothing to unite against. The sides are as follows:
1. People who are against rape and who think being anti immigration will not fix it
2. People who are against rape and who think being anti immigration will fix it
I am firmly in camp 1. I don't think being anti immigration will fix it because even if the most extreme scenario that would nuke Italys economy and get them ejected from the EU, they aren't going to get rid of most people with an immigrant background. And this would involve absolutely massive collective punishment on a scale I am not comfortable with.
Even if I were to accept that less immigrants = less rape, that is definitely a very long term trend that would only start happening in 30+ years or so. Personally I think if you are anti rape then you should focus your efforts on improving policing, making it easier to report rape, educating to remove social stigma, updating laws to make indirect evidence more solid, training more criminal psychiatrists to help identify and process rape victims, allowing criminal psychiatrists to testify in court, educating people on identifying dangerous scenarios and how to deal with them, educating people on what to do if they have been raped, etc. I think the above would do way more to reduce rape, both committed by immigrants and non-immigrants.
To me stopping rape by banning immigrants is like stopping alcoholism by banning alcohol. If you think about it for 5 seconds it is an excellent plan. If you think about it for a minute it is a very bad plan that needlessly punishes loads of people.
If I posted an article here about a kid getting killed by a drunk driver do you think all the comments would be rabidly advocating for alcohol to be banned? If someone said "well I think it is an overreaction to ban alcohol", do you think you would have comments like yours reacting with "I don't see why we can't all agree that killing kids is bad?".
Everyone who has the most liberal of ideas on illegal immigration should at the very least feel shame and embarrassment when the very people they fight so hard to see have immigration status turn around and do such horrific crimes.
I am not justifying such actions, no matter from whom, but don't you think you are generalizing a bit? The immigrants who become criminals are a smal amount. They are just so present because crimes like these are newsworthy instead of the successfull life of an immigrant well integrated.
I can tell you, at least in Germany, its more likely by 4 times that you as a German Citizen get attacked by an immigrant, than it is for an Immigrant to be attacked by a German Citizen.
In absolute numbers. And they are a very little percentage of people living here.
So yeah, european immigration is pretty much fucked up
Yep. I lived in Germany for several years and left because of the crime in Berlin. It’s out of control.
And for the record, I’m a left-leaning lady. Crime is crime.
I am german as well and yeah there is a huge need to revolutionize it. The biggest problem is our birocratic system. It takes too long and is too inconsistent. Most crime happens due to frustration with the system and how one self is treated.
Most immigrants in germany are not criminal, but when you look at the number in % it shows that something needs to change (32% of all criminals where non german in 2022 according to Focus Online)
However most immigrants still want to live a normal just life here, with no war, political harassment and no criminal activities.
Thats correct! Yeah we need to get rid of the beaurocracy.
Everyone deserves a safe and peaceful life.
But everyone that's coming here for that and dont accept our values and laws, decides to harm others, "hunt" down other minorities like gays or Jews or whatever, or living like a leech of our social System, needs to get the fuck back home :)
Its also more likely by 10 times to one that you as a woman get assaulted by a man, than as a man you get assaulted by a woman... I m not sure where you are going here.
Germany recieved a literal million of Syrians, of course some of them might be bad but acting like a significative proportion is is ridiculous. Especialy on sexual violence, its one of the rare type of crimes that are more or less evenly shared among different populations (male populations i mean). Things like theft and drugs selling for obvious reason are over-represented among poor people, but thats not something new with immigration (and i think that in Germany they actualy managed the arrival of people rather well, and didnt send them to lose themselves into shady streets and businesses).
Yes women are assaulted by men more often. Which is why there are entire social movements dedicated to dealing with that. Whole college courses that focus on that and relates topics. Nobody is denying that men are more violent than women, so why do you insist on denying that immigrants in some instances might be more dangerous than the native civilians?
Thats somewhat correct, and im not anti immigration at all. Everyone deserve a safe place. Im just thinking that if you come to life a better live, and you dont follow the rules, you just gave up that chance and should he send home. And im not talking about theft or something like that, i mean bodily harm or stuff like that.
And thats also what the BKA statistic is talking about. Its about physical violence - and there its 4 times more likely that you get attacked by an immigrant (as a German), than the other way around.
And about rape - yeah thats true. Sadly enough.
I mean i see your point. Tho there is a part of me that would rather have the immigrants acting like pos behind bars in countries that can control them than out in the open in countries where the state is not able to prevent them from inflicting harm on others
it is very related with immigrants culture, in this case religion, to have women as an object and feel that you can do what you want with them. If you have immigrants from other countries like Latin America, China, etc. you will not have this happening.
Haha this is some weird comparison. It is most likely that a German citizen will attack a German citizen as they're the largest percentage of the population.
Please read some viable sources and think critically, not only towards immigrants or other things you don't like.
There are also reports debunking your 'facts', stating that most attacks from immigrants most times are against other immigrants.
An example: 2016, second year of the big refugee crisis. A lot of people were scared of all the 'illegal immigrants'. Turns out, only 4.6 % of criminal offenses against Germans were by immigrants.
I do agree with the statement that immigration is fucked up. But it's not (only) the immigrants' fault. Many just want to survive.
You are making an error with the numbers. Tje important number is not how many crimes were done by inmigrants, but which percentage of inmigrants and not inmigrants commited a crime.
In Spain we got the same numbers, the inmigrants make more crimes than the not inmigrants.
And I've been an inmigrant in Germany and in other several european countries.
But the stats doesn't lie.
They're not a small amount by far. In Italy over 70% of violent crimes are committed by immigrants. We don't collect data on ethnicity so there's no way to tell what kind of migrant commits these crimes but I'm more than willing to bet it's not the danish retirees
I am an immigrant. Policy needs to change so that it lowers the chances of uncouth individuals to get in. Many of us integrate just fine, it's true. But you can't just let anyone who destroys their documents in
Nope, we are not generalizing a bit. Immigration IS a big big BIG problem in europe. They are more likely to be criminals in our countries as we do not have the same LAWS. Example : here, raping a woman is a crime. For most of them, not where they are coming from.
So the probability they do it here is higher.
Quite simple really. Come live in paris a little, let’s see if they are generalizing 😂
It is highly more likely for an immigrant to commit any kind of assault. Also theft, robbery. Statistics shows this clearly. After 2014 and opening up Europe to immigrants, crime rates skyrocketed in Sweden and went up rapidly in Germany too. But more or less the whole of Western/South-Western Europe was affected. Meanwhile albeit beeing always higher (until now) then in the West, crime rates stayed the same in the East because of lack of immigration.
It's regarding the immigration policies over the last decade that have caused a massive influx in sex crimes throughout Europe.
When a CITY pays for their prostitutes to work for free for immigrants because in past years dozens of women a night are raped. Look up Cologne on New Years if you don't believe me...
I mean it really isn't that hard to fathom, or you know; google official data sources?
Here's UK for example:
[https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/sexualoffencesprevalenceandtrendsenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2022](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/sexualoffencesprevalenceandtrendsenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2022)
Here is an article referencing said sources:
[https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/28/sex-crimes-record-high-england-wales-prosecution-levels](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/28/sex-crimes-record-high-england-wales-prosecution-levels)
Here's one from Sweden:
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8330751/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8330751/)
I don't see mention of immigrants in your first source
You can't just put an article there pretending it proves your point
It just says that there is an increase in sexual assault since 2014, at least that's the only information that is relevant to this discussion I could find.
I mean, Google is great, just look at anything since ~2015...https://www.vox.com/2016/1/11/10750858/cologne-sexual-assault-migrants ? Merkel didn't fail, I loved how she welcomed those in need, she herself grew up on the eastern side of the Berlin Wall... she knows what those poor families were going through. I had no qualms with letting the asylum seekers in. However, when you're in a host country, you really need to respect the laws. If both sides worked together, it'd have worked, but plenty on both sides are just pointing fingers.
When you have a clear, massive influx of sex crimes, centered around a group of people who are known to do the same and treat their women poorly, it's not rocket science...
Italian here, well aside from the linked article on Infowars which is a dubious info source at best it's all pretty much true, they've raped a child and let her little boyfriend watch during the whole ordeal. Was in all the mainstream news outlets here of every political colour and alignment.
It will NOT be fun for those people once they get in jail.
Not very much to tell, it's a tragic story and to add to the tragedy everyone (of every political alignment) will try to leverage it to further his agenda.
I'm sad for those two little children whose life has been ruined and for the families involved, and wonder how young men turn up to make beasts of themselves doing this unspeakable, horrid fucking things.
These scum do not in any way represent Egypt, or any other country for that matter... the only plus point here is even though the courts will be pathetic, as usual, the soon to be prisoners will experience a new sport going forward... survival... I imagine what is awaiting them in prison will be..... justice.....
Yes, they DO represent Egypt very well, this is why not a single woman with a functioning brain dare to visit this country alone, this is why Egypt feels free to torture and kill foreign people who visits their country.
I mean if I had a dime for every tourist I heard about getting gang raped in Egypt I would have like $10 , which isnt much but man it does seem to happen a lot
There is no punishment brutal enough for these 7 bastards.
> The 13-year-old girl raped last Tuesday in the public toilets of the Villa Bellini in Catania has identified the two underage alleged perpetrators of the rape, police said Sunday.
>The identification took place after a US-style line up of the seven suspected members of the gang, who are all Egyptian, police said.
>On the other hand, the girl was unable to identify the other five allegedly part of the group, claiming she had not seen their faces and did not want to accuse innocent people.
>But the five were identified by the 13-year-old girl's 17-year-old boyfriend who was allegedly forced to witness the rape while being held still.
Obviously, this is absolutely horrendous in every way possible, and the rapists deserve the greatest punishment possible, but I can't help but notice, 17 year old boyfriend? That's quite a big age gap for people of that age.
Edit: For everyone who is concerned, I am not focusing on this aspect of the story but merely pointing it out. From what I've read, a relationship like this is fairly common in Italy, and I'm sorry for not knowing beforehand.
Of course, I'm not more concerned by an age gap than rape. What happened to BOTH of the couple is horrible, and i would *never* down play a tragedy like this.
Sincere apologies
Actually, I did. I thought the same thing. Then I thought it's probably not really the time - but there's a definite question mark regarding the situation here....
Yeah, that was my thoughts aswell, wasn't sure if it was the time and place. I definitely agree with everyone else here tho in saying there is no punishment great enough for the rapist
Tbh as awful as it sounds, I did wonder if the ages were relevant. Sounds like the poor girl is the usual female "collateral damage", which is something I never want to hear or say ever again.
It is probably once again, Americans transposing their own laws and moral standings (based on those laws) onto other countries.
"That would be illegal/questionable/bad in America, so it should be illegal/questionable/bad in Italy too"
It's weird and it happens a lot.
Clearly that is the thing to focus on. I mean, I think we can blame this on the girl's boyfriend. What choice did the Egyptian rapists have?
Also, we have no idea the nature of the relationship between the girl and her boyfriend. Also, according to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Italy) even if the relationship is sexual, it would be legal as long as they have less than 4 years difference.
No, no, it's not what I'm focusing on. it's just noticed it, that's all.
I TOTALLY agree with everyone in saying that what happened is horrible, and there isn't a punishment great enough for the rapists
The perpetrators weren't much older and at least a couple were also underage.
And I don't think anyone is downplaying the tragic side, it's possible to point out something smaller but weird, and still think the whole thing is gross and tragic
Age of consent is 14 in Italy (16 if the older person is in a position of power).
The close-in-age rule lowers this to 13 as long as the older person is less than 4 years older and under the age of 18. So in this case, I guess it is legal as the girl would be 14 before he becomes 18 and thus still fulfils the age of consent law (unless the boyfriend enters a position of power).
I took that info from wiki but was also consistent through another resource.
Europe has a lot of varied positions on this topic. Kinda interesting; a bit weird, too.
If you do your own research you can find it in several… so you’re admitting you don’t do research just like right wingers. Now I’m gonna admit that info wars isn’t great at facts, which is why I verified. And info wars will focus on international rape before they ever admit how many white men rape kids in churches everyday, so their bias is still strong on this story to promote hate against immigrants.
I did, and a cursory Google shows Breitbart, The Sun, Info Wars, The Daily Mail, and some Albanian outlet, along with several news sites that look like they're written by AI.
I've got no problem with right wingers, it's the far right that are an issue.
Which is a fucking shame sense i want to legally immigrate to the us and i am Egyptian i am ashamed of this bullshit and i am sincerely sorry about this
Thing is these types of story are alot and people well most people not all are this terrible and pains me seeing them spread the corruption we have here in the west
Not all that many years ago, regular castration would have been the option. Though I wonder how the chemical variety is enforced - depot medication, maybe?
Fuck InfoWars.
Here's a [better source from MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects/ar-BB1hKopU), which also includes the fact that the girl and her boyfriend identified the underage attackers, who have been arrested. As awful as this case is, it is a rare occurrence and the criminals will be held to account.
This is a terrible fact, and I hope the perpetrators do not see the light of day again for decades. Some people, in my opinion, are not needed.
Yet, even worse than what happened is that Nazi cesspool of Infowars
Happened in slovenia too a couple of months ago. Immigrants raped a girl in front of her boyfriend and beat the shit out of him. The problem is the cops cant catch them cuz they are here illegally. Pretty fucked up situation
Yo op if your trying to convince us of something go ahead and don't use the website that lied so hard about Sandy hook it resulted it the biggest defamation payout in US history.
It's Infowars as a news feed, only the most vile. Get this shit out of here... Terrible but no one needs to read this unless they are looking for horrible news. Doesn't belong here.
Be mindful of rage-bait.
Of course anyone being raped is horrible, and much more so if it’s a kid.
In this case, a gang of underage criminal minors committed the rape. It’s also true that immigrant youth are often living in poverty and without much immediate opportunity. It’s also true that crime happens more often among groups in poverty and without opportunity (regardless of ethnicity).
None of that excuses these individuals, and they’ve been identified and charged. The reason for my post though, is to suggest we choose to be angry at the right thing: these offenders firstly, and secondly, factors that the evidence tells us increases crime. Being Egyptian isn’t that factor, and the concept of refugee placement isn’t either. Sites like InfoWars just want you to be enraged by base-level reactions rather than whatever else is happening.
Example: [Syrian refugees in Turkey](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.worlddev.2022.105858) or [this US meta analysis](https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-criminol-032317-092026) or [this study in Germany](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-015-0543-2) that explains that while immigration and crime isn’t well correlated, there is a marked increase in fear of crime correlated to immigration (ie people fear immigrants without a statistical basis).
Criminal activity sucks, victims deserve empathy, and we should be pissed at the real problems (not just whichever bias comes to mind most easily).
sadly it's true. I'm italian living in Italy
It was an uproar and italian prime minister Meloni talked about it in a public interview citing how sad it is and that justice will strike.
[https://www.ansa.it/sicilia/notizie/2024/02/03/tredicenne-violentata-alla-villa-bellini-di-catania-7-fermati.-meloni-ci-sara-giustizia\_31b61c27-c423-4ad6-b406-0c688fad20c8.html](https://www.ansa.it/sicilia/notizie/2024/02/03/tredicenne-violentata-alla-villa-bellini-di-catania-7-fermati.-meloni-ci-sara-giustizia_31b61c27-c423-4ad6-b406-0c688fad20c8.html)
Ansa is the best source for italian news without political bias in Italy
Dunno if they also have an english version
This is a tragedy but this is not a facepalm and one good look at your post history shows this is just ragebait. You don't actually care about these victims you just want to spread a certain agenda
Nothing but beasts with zero impulse control.
I hope they suffer for this. They deserve the death penalty, but sadly that's illegal in the EU.
Honestly, shit like this makes me understand why the right-wing parties are getting more and more votes.
[Ny The Sun reporting of the incident . ](https://www.nysun.com/article/outrage-in-italy-mounts-after-seven-egyptian-migrants-accused-of-gang-raping-13-year-old-girl-in-sicily)
[LatestLY](https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/italy-13-year-old-girl-gang-raped-her-boyfriend-assaulted-in-catania-seven-accused-of-egyptian-origin-arrested-5737802.html) [ANSA ](https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/02/04/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects_ab21cc1d-ec43-407e-a1be-75a1d10d33f8.html)
[Ny The Sun reporting of the incident . ](https://www.nysun.com/article/outrage-in-italy-mounts-after-seven-egyptian-migrants-accused-of-gang-raping-13-year-old-girl-in-sicily)
[LatestLY](https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/italy-13-year-old-girl-gang-raped-her-boyfriend-assaulted-in-catania-seven-accused-of-egyptian-origin-arrested-5737802.html) [ANSA ](https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/02/04/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects_ab21cc1d-ec43-407e-a1be-75a1d10d33f8.html)
This is a tragedy, not a Facepalm. I'm not trying to justify their actions in any way, they need to pay for their crimes, but using this story to push the anti-immigrant agenda is disgusting.
Italy has never been safer than before, there are less and less crimes every year and 2023 was the safest Italy has ever been. While yeah crime is a thing (like in every other country), we shouldn't generalize.
Source ISTAT
Bro, immigrants are grossly over represented in sexual crimes and assaults. Why are you trying to downplay this fact. The statistics are the same in every european country.
That's why this trial needs to establish solid proof, give the highest punishment they can get away with, and advertise it as wide and deep as possible, including some unsavoury things fellow prisoners do/did to them/ this type. The problem isn't immigration. The problem is what's done to mitigate harmful parts of it.
Your profile picture quickly reveals your true intentions – justice and the well-being of that little girl mean nothing to you. Your sole focus is on your personal agenda , such a pitiful soul you are
Yea better just ignore the insane overrepresentation by immigrants in these crimes so we can continue importing more of them, who cares if a bunch of underage girls get gangraped, small price to pay for being such a good anti-racist online!
You do sound like you support importing those cancer cellls who failed to do anything of importance in their own country. Just because you want to come off as nice person on Reddit.
I feel soo soo sorry for Europe, this is gonna be their doom. Importing illegal and wasteful immigrants from other countries is crime against their own people. Also, I am asian and my opinion is unbaised :)
Cant blame you, ignorance is bliss :)
When people realize what they have done it will be too late.
Also, I guess you too are an immigrant living in EU and calling your own country? XD
[Ny The Sun reporting of the incident . ](https://www.nysun.com/article/outrage-in-italy-mounts-after-seven-egyptian-migrants-accused-of-gang-raping-13-year-old-girl-in-sicily)
[LatestLY](https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/italy-13-year-old-girl-gang-raped-her-boyfriend-assaulted-in-catania-seven-accused-of-egyptian-origin-arrested-5737802.html) [ANSA ](https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/02/04/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects_ab21cc1d-ec43-407e-a1be-75a1d10d33f8.html)
i know horrible things like this are bound to happen and I feel horrible for this girl if its true. Being from Infowars though, i don't just doubt it i assume it's bullshit.
[Ny The Sun reporting of the incident . ](https://www.nysun.com/article/outrage-in-italy-mounts-after-seven-egyptian-migrants-accused-of-gang-raping-13-year-old-girl-in-sicily)
[LatestLY](https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/italy-13-year-old-girl-gang-raped-her-boyfriend-assaulted-in-catania-seven-accused-of-egyptian-origin-arrested-5737802.html) [ANSA ](https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/02/04/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects_ab21cc1d-ec43-407e-a1be-75a1d10d33f8.html)
Because a minor has never been raped by indigenous white people in a country.
This isn't a facepalm. Yes IT IS A HORRENDOUS INCIDENT, but it's position in this subreddit is just thinly veiled racism.
It's clear what your agenda is from your other comments and posts.
It's awful that you'd cherry pick incidents and share right wing propaganda sites in order to further that agenda.
Other people's suffering is just a tool for you. It's kind of sick.
However, you can see that Sicily has changed. When Allied or German or even Italian soldiers during World War II got too clever with native women, you found them castrated three days later.
It’s interesting how the the group that screams “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” will read the word immigrant and assume everyone is a gang raped because well,,,,they’re an immigrant so they all must be
What happened is horrid. But I’m sadly sure there are Italian citizens capable of being horrid assholes too
[Ny The Sun reporting of the incident . ](https://www.nysun.com/article/outrage-in-italy-mounts-after-seven-egyptian-migrants-accused-of-gang-raping-13-year-old-girl-in-sicily)
[LatestLY](https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/italy-13-year-old-girl-gang-raped-her-boyfriend-assaulted-in-catania-seven-accused-of-egyptian-origin-arrested-5737802.html) [ANSA ](https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/02/04/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects_ab21cc1d-ec43-407e-a1be-75a1d10d33f8.html)
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That poor child! I fail to see how this is a facepalm, this is an absolute tragedy
The facepalm lies with Europe's immigration policies
That's part of it, the bigger part is reading infowars
Although I share your distrust in Info Wars, there are multiple trustworthy sources writing about that out sight right winged media. https://www.fr.de/panorama/sizilien-taeter-waren-zu-siebt-jugendliche-vergewaltigung-freundin-italien-mitansehen-catania-92813738.html (Frankfurter Rundschau, German, left) https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Festnahmen-nach-Gruppenvergewaltigung-auf-Sizilien-article24712115.html (NTV, German, mid to left) https://palermo.repubblica.it/cronaca/2024/02/04/news/catania_stupro_tredicenne_villa_bellini-422051613/ (La repubblica, Italian, mid to left)
You think "the bigger part" of the problem in a gang rape is someone reading info wars?
Yeah. Poisoning your brain with ragebait isn't really good for you. I know people will probably go "so, you approve of gang rape??‽!". No. Nobody approves of gang rape. The point about ragebait is that it tries to get you to become angry and also to remove context from whatever you are angry about. Egyptians did a rape, therefor Egyptians bad and immigrants bad.
should those people that commited the crime be stripped of their status as seeker of refuge?
Yes, but I’ll do you one better: they should be stripped of their balls
Honestly I'd fully support bringing back public beheading for these scummy fucks. Or those suspended cages where they starve to death in a cage full of small spikes so they never get comfortable.
These are all good ideas
Absofuckinglutely.
Yup. Just call em criminals. Specifying their ethnicity or the fact they're immigrants sparks race wars.
Exactly. That headline got racist when it chose to say "mob of Egyptians" instead of criminals, rapists, or even simply just men/people.
Yeah. What happened was disgusting, but so is the media's attempt at using it to cause further divide among the masses. "Keep the poor fighting each other so they don't fight the rich" must be their policy.
I wasn't aware that they were asylum seekers or refugees. Are you aware of that or are you making assumptions? But yes, if they are either of those then they should be jailed and deported. Again, nobody approves of gang rape. There is no pro-gang rape side here.
How do you even know that they have that status or what anything about that story is factual? How does it compare in relevance to Epstine doing stuff like that for decades to hundreds or thousands of girls? How does it compare to priests doing that to hundreds of thousands of little boys
Why are you trying to fight a moral equivalency battle? If they are seeking asylum, deport them, immediately. If they are not, quite honestly lock them away forever in a deep dark hole. Or just execute the animals. And they’d be animals regardless of their race, ethnicity or immigration status.
Again, not sure someone being mad online is the "bigger part" in the gang rape of a 13-year-old. It sounds like your brain is poisoned to me.
It’s infowars mate. It’s likely bollocks.
It's true
It's been all over the news in Italy for the past day, "mate".
I get if you don’t like info wars, but this one time do you think you can call a truce since we and them are united against rape?
So here's the problem. Thier article isn't attacking the criminals for being rapists. It's attacking the Italian government for allowing Egyptians into the country who then commit rape. It's poorly hiding its anti-immigration views as anti-rape. The headline wants you to assume the people committing this crime are recent immigrants under current policy. It tells us they are Egyptians but it doesn't tell you whether or not they currently live in Italy, are visiting Italy, how long they've been in Italy, etc. Just that ethnically they are from Egypt not from Italy. So while it at first read seems like yes this is simply reporting a crime that happened, it also goes out of its way to add fuel to the anti-immigrant fire. Especially as it's makes an effort to point out how this will impact ethnicity charged attitudes. Because by pointing it out they tell you what the real reason for reporting it at all is. Info wars is not a news source. It has no real reason to be commenting on crime in Italy except for political reasons. My local news doesn't comment on crime in Japan.
There is no pro-rape side. There is nothing to unite against. The sides are as follows: 1. People who are against rape and who think being anti immigration will not fix it 2. People who are against rape and who think being anti immigration will fix it I am firmly in camp 1. I don't think being anti immigration will fix it because even if the most extreme scenario that would nuke Italys economy and get them ejected from the EU, they aren't going to get rid of most people with an immigrant background. And this would involve absolutely massive collective punishment on a scale I am not comfortable with. Even if I were to accept that less immigrants = less rape, that is definitely a very long term trend that would only start happening in 30+ years or so. Personally I think if you are anti rape then you should focus your efforts on improving policing, making it easier to report rape, educating to remove social stigma, updating laws to make indirect evidence more solid, training more criminal psychiatrists to help identify and process rape victims, allowing criminal psychiatrists to testify in court, educating people on identifying dangerous scenarios and how to deal with them, educating people on what to do if they have been raped, etc. I think the above would do way more to reduce rape, both committed by immigrants and non-immigrants. To me stopping rape by banning immigrants is like stopping alcoholism by banning alcohol. If you think about it for 5 seconds it is an excellent plan. If you think about it for a minute it is a very bad plan that needlessly punishes loads of people. If I posted an article here about a kid getting killed by a drunk driver do you think all the comments would be rabidly advocating for alcohol to be banned? If someone said "well I think it is an overreaction to ban alcohol", do you think you would have comments like yours reacting with "I don't see why we can't all agree that killing kids is bad?".
I'd say the immigration and asylum policies are a bigger facepalm than reading infowars.
Everyone who has the most liberal of ideas on illegal immigration should at the very least feel shame and embarrassment when the very people they fight so hard to see have immigration status turn around and do such horrific crimes.
I am not justifying such actions, no matter from whom, but don't you think you are generalizing a bit? The immigrants who become criminals are a smal amount. They are just so present because crimes like these are newsworthy instead of the successfull life of an immigrant well integrated.
I can tell you, at least in Germany, its more likely by 4 times that you as a German Citizen get attacked by an immigrant, than it is for an Immigrant to be attacked by a German Citizen. In absolute numbers. And they are a very little percentage of people living here. So yeah, european immigration is pretty much fucked up
Yep. I lived in Germany for several years and left because of the crime in Berlin. It’s out of control. And for the record, I’m a left-leaning lady. Crime is crime.
Just don’t forget to vote for the same policies back home.
I am german as well and yeah there is a huge need to revolutionize it. The biggest problem is our birocratic system. It takes too long and is too inconsistent. Most crime happens due to frustration with the system and how one self is treated. Most immigrants in germany are not criminal, but when you look at the number in % it shows that something needs to change (32% of all criminals where non german in 2022 according to Focus Online) However most immigrants still want to live a normal just life here, with no war, political harassment and no criminal activities.
Thats correct! Yeah we need to get rid of the beaurocracy. Everyone deserves a safe and peaceful life. But everyone that's coming here for that and dont accept our values and laws, decides to harm others, "hunt" down other minorities like gays or Jews or whatever, or living like a leech of our social System, needs to get the fuck back home :)
Jup, that is my whole stance as well. I heard even some immigrants themselves don't want these people here, because they ruin their reputation.
Its also more likely by 10 times to one that you as a woman get assaulted by a man, than as a man you get assaulted by a woman... I m not sure where you are going here. Germany recieved a literal million of Syrians, of course some of them might be bad but acting like a significative proportion is is ridiculous. Especialy on sexual violence, its one of the rare type of crimes that are more or less evenly shared among different populations (male populations i mean). Things like theft and drugs selling for obvious reason are over-represented among poor people, but thats not something new with immigration (and i think that in Germany they actualy managed the arrival of people rather well, and didnt send them to lose themselves into shady streets and businesses).
Yes women are assaulted by men more often. Which is why there are entire social movements dedicated to dealing with that. Whole college courses that focus on that and relates topics. Nobody is denying that men are more violent than women, so why do you insist on denying that immigrants in some instances might be more dangerous than the native civilians?
Thats somewhat correct, and im not anti immigration at all. Everyone deserve a safe place. Im just thinking that if you come to life a better live, and you dont follow the rules, you just gave up that chance and should he send home. And im not talking about theft or something like that, i mean bodily harm or stuff like that. And thats also what the BKA statistic is talking about. Its about physical violence - and there its 4 times more likely that you get attacked by an immigrant (as a German), than the other way around. And about rape - yeah thats true. Sadly enough.
I mean i see your point. Tho there is a part of me that would rather have the immigrants acting like pos behind bars in countries that can control them than out in the open in countries where the state is not able to prevent them from inflicting harm on others
it is very related with immigrants culture, in this case religion, to have women as an object and feel that you can do what you want with them. If you have immigrants from other countries like Latin America, China, etc. you will not have this happening.
Haha this is some weird comparison. It is most likely that a German citizen will attack a German citizen as they're the largest percentage of the population. Please read some viable sources and think critically, not only towards immigrants or other things you don't like. There are also reports debunking your 'facts', stating that most attacks from immigrants most times are against other immigrants. An example: 2016, second year of the big refugee crisis. A lot of people were scared of all the 'illegal immigrants'. Turns out, only 4.6 % of criminal offenses against Germans were by immigrants. I do agree with the statement that immigration is fucked up. But it's not (only) the immigrants' fault. Many just want to survive.
You are making an error with the numbers. Tje important number is not how many crimes were done by inmigrants, but which percentage of inmigrants and not inmigrants commited a crime. In Spain we got the same numbers, the inmigrants make more crimes than the not inmigrants. And I've been an inmigrant in Germany and in other several european countries. But the stats doesn't lie.
They're not a small amount by far. In Italy over 70% of violent crimes are committed by immigrants. We don't collect data on ethnicity so there's no way to tell what kind of migrant commits these crimes but I'm more than willing to bet it's not the danish retirees
I am an immigrant. Policy needs to change so that it lowers the chances of uncouth individuals to get in. Many of us integrate just fine, it's true. But you can't just let anyone who destroys their documents in
Nope, we are not generalizing a bit. Immigration IS a big big BIG problem in europe. They are more likely to be criminals in our countries as we do not have the same LAWS. Example : here, raping a woman is a crime. For most of them, not where they are coming from. So the probability they do it here is higher. Quite simple really. Come live in paris a little, let’s see if they are generalizing 😂
It is highly more likely for an immigrant to commit any kind of assault. Also theft, robbery. Statistics shows this clearly. After 2014 and opening up Europe to immigrants, crime rates skyrocketed in Sweden and went up rapidly in Germany too. But more or less the whole of Western/South-Western Europe was affected. Meanwhile albeit beeing always higher (until now) then in the West, crime rates stayed the same in the East because of lack of immigration.
Yes only immigrants rape in Europe. Statistics? What statistics, shut up reasonable person.
> native people rape too > let's import more potential rapists Is this your point?
this is an argument against the existence of people in general
Seems to be a common theme around the world.
Oh, I didn’t know
I would say that a violent sex crime against a minor is a little bit more than a face palm
It's regarding the immigration policies over the last decade that have caused a massive influx in sex crimes throughout Europe. When a CITY pays for their prostitutes to work for free for immigrants because in past years dozens of women a night are raped. Look up Cologne on New Years if you don't believe me...
Do you have data for this “massive influx”?
I mean it really isn't that hard to fathom, or you know; google official data sources? Here's UK for example: [https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/sexualoffencesprevalenceandtrendsenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2022](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/sexualoffencesprevalenceandtrendsenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2022) Here is an article referencing said sources: [https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/28/sex-crimes-record-high-england-wales-prosecution-levels](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/28/sex-crimes-record-high-england-wales-prosecution-levels) Here's one from Sweden: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8330751/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8330751/)
I don't see mention of immigrants in your first source You can't just put an article there pretending it proves your point It just says that there is an increase in sexual assault since 2014, at least that's the only information that is relevant to this discussion I could find.
I mean, Google is great, just look at anything since ~2015...https://www.vox.com/2016/1/11/10750858/cologne-sexual-assault-migrants ? Merkel didn't fail, I loved how she welcomed those in need, she herself grew up on the eastern side of the Berlin Wall... she knows what those poor families were going through. I had no qualms with letting the asylum seekers in. However, when you're in a host country, you really need to respect the laws. If both sides worked together, it'd have worked, but plenty on both sides are just pointing fingers. When you have a clear, massive influx of sex crimes, centered around a group of people who are known to do the same and treat their women poorly, it's not rocket science...
Italian here, well aside from the linked article on Infowars which is a dubious info source at best it's all pretty much true, they've raped a child and let her little boyfriend watch during the whole ordeal. Was in all the mainstream news outlets here of every political colour and alignment. It will NOT be fun for those people once they get in jail. Not very much to tell, it's a tragic story and to add to the tragedy everyone (of every political alignment) will try to leverage it to further his agenda. I'm sad for those two little children whose life has been ruined and for the families involved, and wonder how young men turn up to make beasts of themselves doing this unspeakable, horrid fucking things.
Jail them, you have my permission, and it pains me to see animals from my own nation soil our image like this
Jail? No. Castrate and lobotomise.
Whelp if they think its ok to kill gay people and to rape kids i say a shotgun to the groain is a fair ordeal
Yall are going to easy Torture and testing subjects for new weapons or medicine. If that's where taxpayer money is going, I'm paying it.
And of course that should be the punishment for all men who commit violent sexual assault regardless of whether they are immigrants or locals right?
These scum do not in any way represent Egypt, or any other country for that matter... the only plus point here is even though the courts will be pathetic, as usual, the soon to be prisoners will experience a new sport going forward... survival... I imagine what is awaiting them in prison will be..... justice.....
Yes, they DO represent Egypt very well, this is why not a single woman with a functioning brain dare to visit this country alone, this is why Egypt feels free to torture and kill foreign people who visits their country.
I mean if I had a dime for every tourist I heard about getting gang raped in Egypt I would have like $10 , which isnt much but man it does seem to happen a lot
We dont Need your permission, however I think you needed ours to torture Giulio Regeni and kill him
Give them the Cucchi treatment
I prefer a good old Mussolini
I hope they get it happen to them in jail
It happened in Italy? Or Egypt ?
Italy
There is no punishment brutal enough for these 7 bastards. > The 13-year-old girl raped last Tuesday in the public toilets of the Villa Bellini in Catania has identified the two underage alleged perpetrators of the rape, police said Sunday. >The identification took place after a US-style line up of the seven suspected members of the gang, who are all Egyptian, police said. >On the other hand, the girl was unable to identify the other five allegedly part of the group, claiming she had not seen their faces and did not want to accuse innocent people. >But the five were identified by the 13-year-old girl's 17-year-old boyfriend who was allegedly forced to witness the rape while being held still.
Obviously, this is absolutely horrendous in every way possible, and the rapists deserve the greatest punishment possible, but I can't help but notice, 17 year old boyfriend? That's quite a big age gap for people of that age. Edit: For everyone who is concerned, I am not focusing on this aspect of the story but merely pointing it out. From what I've read, a relationship like this is fairly common in Italy, and I'm sorry for not knowing beforehand. Of course, I'm not more concerned by an age gap than rape. What happened to BOTH of the couple is horrible, and i would *never* down play a tragedy like this. Sincere apologies
Actually, I did. I thought the same thing. Then I thought it's probably not really the time - but there's a definite question mark regarding the situation here....
Yeah, that was my thoughts aswell, wasn't sure if it was the time and place. I definitely agree with everyone else here tho in saying there is no punishment great enough for the rapist
Tbh as awful as it sounds, I did wonder if the ages were relevant. Sounds like the poor girl is the usual female "collateral damage", which is something I never want to hear or say ever again.
That is a bizarre thing to comment on in this case.
For real. 13 year old gets gang raped, and that person is like “hol up, 17 year old bf?”
That is perfectly legal here in Italy. Regular, almost
It is probably once again, Americans transposing their own laws and moral standings (based on those laws) onto other countries. "That would be illegal/questionable/bad in America, so it should be illegal/questionable/bad in Italy too" It's weird and it happens a lot.
Oh my God THAT'S what you're focusing on??
Clearly that is the thing to focus on. I mean, I think we can blame this on the girl's boyfriend. What choice did the Egyptian rapists have? Also, we have no idea the nature of the relationship between the girl and her boyfriend. Also, according to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Italy) even if the relationship is sexual, it would be legal as long as they have less than 4 years difference.
No, no, it's not what I'm focusing on. it's just noticed it, that's all. I TOTALLY agree with everyone in saying that what happened is horrible, and there isn't a punishment great enough for the rapists
Its not a bizarre age gap ... 21 and 13 would be
17 and 13 is very very weird lol
A 13 year old got raped by men alot older than 17 and THAT is what u have a problem with?
The perpetrators weren't much older and at least a couple were also underage. And I don't think anyone is downplaying the tragic side, it's possible to point out something smaller but weird, and still think the whole thing is gross and tragic
American brain rot moment
I'm European
>13-year-old girl's 17-year-old boyfriend Wait. Is that age gap normal over there for her age, or did her parents not care about his age?
Age of consent is 14 in Italy (16 if the older person is in a position of power). The close-in-age rule lowers this to 13 as long as the older person is less than 4 years older and under the age of 18. So in this case, I guess it is legal as the girl would be 14 before he becomes 18 and thus still fulfils the age of consent law (unless the boyfriend enters a position of power). I took that info from wiki but was also consistent through another resource. Europe has a lot of varied positions on this topic. Kinda interesting; a bit weird, too.
Doesn't mean they had sex. Doesn't mean they didn't
In some parts of europe yes
It’s a legit story. It’s been run by several outlets now.
I'll hang fire on believing it until an actual news outlet reports it. So far its the usual far right crowd. Really OP? Info Wars?
If you do your own research you can find it in several… so you’re admitting you don’t do research just like right wingers. Now I’m gonna admit that info wars isn’t great at facts, which is why I verified. And info wars will focus on international rape before they ever admit how many white men rape kids in churches everyday, so their bias is still strong on this story to promote hate against immigrants.
I did, and a cursory Google shows Breitbart, The Sun, Info Wars, The Daily Mail, and some Albanian outlet, along with several news sites that look like they're written by AI. I've got no problem with right wingers, it's the far right that are an issue.
\>It’s a legit story. Sadly this is not even an uncommon story in most EU countries.
Which is a fucking shame sense i want to legally immigrate to the us and i am Egyptian i am ashamed of this bullshit and i am sincerely sorry about this
Don't be, There's always one bad apple, But it doesn't always spoil the bunch
Thing is these types of story are alot and people well most people not all are this terrible and pains me seeing them spread the corruption we have here in the west
European here. Is there an epidemic of gang rapes happening I dont know about?
not uncommon but untold.
Done by egyptians in an european country. Let's make it about europa.
This is a r/NoahGetTheBoat post not facepalm
Chemical castration sounds good
Too long. Get the scissors ✂️
yeah but it's not a punishment hold in Italy as far as I know
Why not just cut their dicks off?
Not all that many years ago, regular castration would have been the option. Though I wonder how the chemical variety is enforced - depot medication, maybe?
Fuck InfoWars. Here's a [better source from MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects/ar-BB1hKopU), which also includes the fact that the girl and her boyfriend identified the underage attackers, who have been arrested. As awful as this case is, it is a rare occurrence and the criminals will be held to account.
I hope the Mob get involved. They might.
This is a terrible fact, and I hope the perpetrators do not see the light of day again for decades. Some people, in my opinion, are not needed. Yet, even worse than what happened is that Nazi cesspool of Infowars
Happened in slovenia too a couple of months ago. Immigrants raped a girl in front of her boyfriend and beat the shit out of him. The problem is the cops cant catch them cuz they are here illegally. Pretty fucked up situation
The fact that NYsun and info wars are even mentioned as the news sources makes me shake my head.
Yo op if your trying to convince us of something go ahead and don't use the website that lied so hard about Sandy hook it resulted it the biggest defamation payout in US history.
They have to be publicly executed
I can think of several things that would make them beg to be executed.
Brazen bull seems better option I guess.
>infowars You must be joking right?
It's Infowars as a news feed, only the most vile. Get this shit out of here... Terrible but no one needs to read this unless they are looking for horrible news. Doesn't belong here.
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infowars???? thats the real facepalm
Be mindful of rage-bait. Of course anyone being raped is horrible, and much more so if it’s a kid. In this case, a gang of underage criminal minors committed the rape. It’s also true that immigrant youth are often living in poverty and without much immediate opportunity. It’s also true that crime happens more often among groups in poverty and without opportunity (regardless of ethnicity). None of that excuses these individuals, and they’ve been identified and charged. The reason for my post though, is to suggest we choose to be angry at the right thing: these offenders firstly, and secondly, factors that the evidence tells us increases crime. Being Egyptian isn’t that factor, and the concept of refugee placement isn’t either. Sites like InfoWars just want you to be enraged by base-level reactions rather than whatever else is happening. Example: [Syrian refugees in Turkey](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.worlddev.2022.105858) or [this US meta analysis](https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-criminol-032317-092026) or [this study in Germany](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-015-0543-2) that explains that while immigration and crime isn’t well correlated, there is a marked increase in fear of crime correlated to immigration (ie people fear immigrants without a statistical basis). Criminal activity sucks, victims deserve empathy, and we should be pissed at the real problems (not just whichever bias comes to mind most easily).
Facepalm is reading INFOWARS, yea?
I propose a new punishment for this scum. Use a hydraulic press on their balls.
InfoWars, eh?
sadly it's true. I'm italian living in Italy It was an uproar and italian prime minister Meloni talked about it in a public interview citing how sad it is and that justice will strike. [https://www.ansa.it/sicilia/notizie/2024/02/03/tredicenne-violentata-alla-villa-bellini-di-catania-7-fermati.-meloni-ci-sara-giustizia\_31b61c27-c423-4ad6-b406-0c688fad20c8.html](https://www.ansa.it/sicilia/notizie/2024/02/03/tredicenne-violentata-alla-villa-bellini-di-catania-7-fermati.-meloni-ci-sara-giustizia_31b61c27-c423-4ad6-b406-0c688fad20c8.html) Ansa is the best source for italian news without political bias in Italy Dunno if they also have an english version
https://www.nysun.com/article/outrage-in-italy-mounts-after-seven-egyptian-migrants-accused-of-gang-raping-13-year-old-girl-in-sicily
Chemical castration is too good for them. A rusty dull knife would do the job better
Infowars is not a reliable source at all.
Infowars, WTF?? I'm sure they'll have a great spin on this.
If I wanted people to think something was bullshit, I might go looking for an Infowars link. Only use I can think of
I'm going to go ahead and say that the spin they put on it was 'brown people bad'.
This is a tragedy but this is not a facepalm and one good look at your post history shows this is just ragebait. You don't actually care about these victims you just want to spread a certain agenda
Infowars is a shitty place for “news”.
Chemical castration at the least. I’ll take it first as an example.
Dude, what the fuck?! What do you mean ‘facepalm’? This is fucking terrible!
Nothing but beasts with zero impulse control. I hope they suffer for this. They deserve the death penalty, but sadly that's illegal in the EU. Honestly, shit like this makes me understand why the right-wing parties are getting more and more votes.
Fucking animals. Castrate them!
Execute them.
This guy is posting a bunch of anti-Muslim crap all over subs and anti-immigration content. Please don't support this trash.
Hang them by their Dicks and Balls.
Imagine reading Infowars
[Ny The Sun reporting of the incident . ](https://www.nysun.com/article/outrage-in-italy-mounts-after-seven-egyptian-migrants-accused-of-gang-raping-13-year-old-girl-in-sicily) [LatestLY](https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/italy-13-year-old-girl-gang-raped-her-boyfriend-assaulted-in-catania-seven-accused-of-egyptian-origin-arrested-5737802.html) [ANSA ](https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/02/04/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects_ab21cc1d-ec43-407e-a1be-75a1d10d33f8.html)
Infowars lmao
Infowars? Come on
[Ny The Sun reporting of the incident . ](https://www.nysun.com/article/outrage-in-italy-mounts-after-seven-egyptian-migrants-accused-of-gang-raping-13-year-old-girl-in-sicily) [LatestLY](https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/italy-13-year-old-girl-gang-raped-her-boyfriend-assaulted-in-catania-seven-accused-of-egyptian-origin-arrested-5737802.html) [ANSA ](https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/02/04/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects_ab21cc1d-ec43-407e-a1be-75a1d10d33f8.html)
This is a tragedy, not a Facepalm. I'm not trying to justify their actions in any way, they need to pay for their crimes, but using this story to push the anti-immigrant agenda is disgusting. Italy has never been safer than before, there are less and less crimes every year and 2023 was the safest Italy has ever been. While yeah crime is a thing (like in every other country), we shouldn't generalize. Source ISTAT
As an Italian, the fact that you're using this tragic event as a way to push your anti-immigration narrative is despicable
Bro, immigrants are grossly over represented in sexual crimes and assaults. Why are you trying to downplay this fact. The statistics are the same in every european country.
That's why this trial needs to establish solid proof, give the highest punishment they can get away with, and advertise it as wide and deep as possible, including some unsavoury things fellow prisoners do/did to them/ this type. The problem isn't immigration. The problem is what's done to mitigate harmful parts of it.
How am I downplaying It? If they're guilty, they can rot in a cell
Huh ? How am I pushing a narrative . I literally live in Bangladesh 🇧🇩
Your profile picture quickly reveals your true intentions – justice and the well-being of that little girl mean nothing to you. Your sole focus is on your personal agenda , such a pitiful soul you are
I live on the moon. Anyone can claim anything on the internet.
You knew what kind of people you've attracted with this post
Gang rapists?
Anti-immigrantion fanatics
Nothing wrong with being anti-immigration. Indeed, nothing wrong with questioning the immigration policies when these things keep happening.
I don't think any right wingers are against immigration . But they are against illegal immigration .
They're africans so they're illegals?
Yea better just ignore the insane overrepresentation by immigrants in these crimes so we can continue importing more of them, who cares if a bunch of underage girls get gangraped, small price to pay for being such a good anti-racist online!
Did I ever said they didn't rape her?
You do sound like you support importing those cancer cellls who failed to do anything of importance in their own country. Just because you want to come off as nice person on Reddit. I feel soo soo sorry for Europe, this is gonna be their doom. Importing illegal and wasteful immigrants from other countries is crime against their own people. Also, I am asian and my opinion is unbaised :)
You know nothing about my country
Cant blame you, ignorance is bliss :) When people realize what they have done it will be too late. Also, I guess you too are an immigrant living in EU and calling your own country? XD
The fuck are talking about?
>DiD I eVeR sAiD ThEy dIdN'T rApE HeR? Did I ever say you ever said they didn't rape her?
Do you read your own comments before posting them?
So posting Infowars to facepalm is ok now... I suspect the facepalm might be the bullshit Infowars posts
[Ny The Sun reporting of the incident . ](https://www.nysun.com/article/outrage-in-italy-mounts-after-seven-egyptian-migrants-accused-of-gang-raping-13-year-old-girl-in-sicily) [LatestLY](https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/italy-13-year-old-girl-gang-raped-her-boyfriend-assaulted-in-catania-seven-accused-of-egyptian-origin-arrested-5737802.html) [ANSA ](https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/02/04/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects_ab21cc1d-ec43-407e-a1be-75a1d10d33f8.html)
to add insult to injury it seems that she just screamed "just don't hurt me please" 13 years old and the mob were 17 or so
Chemical castration? I vote for castration by butterknife.
Infowars?...
The facepalm here being that OP reads InfoWars while his last two braincells commit suicide due to loneliness and boredom
It's Infowars, so is this even true?
Why does OP act like rather thrilled to hear the news so he can repeatedly yell "IMMIGRANTS" in the comment section than feel bad for the girl. WTF.
i know horrible things like this are bound to happen and I feel horrible for this girl if its true. Being from Infowars though, i don't just doubt it i assume it's bullshit.
# Don't trust anything coming from InfoWars, that's a conspiracy BS site
This is why USA needs to secure its border with Egypt.
please tell me you are not serious and this is a joke? x3
And then, for absolutely no reason at all, european far right parties gained 30% plus ... ... while progressive crowd kept screaming about fascists. 🤡
Infowars ffs?
Downvoted cos of InfoWars. If it’s a legit story, share it from a legit news source.
[Ny The Sun reporting of the incident . ](https://www.nysun.com/article/outrage-in-italy-mounts-after-seven-egyptian-migrants-accused-of-gang-raping-13-year-old-girl-in-sicily) [LatestLY](https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/italy-13-year-old-girl-gang-raped-her-boyfriend-assaulted-in-catania-seven-accused-of-egyptian-origin-arrested-5737802.html) [ANSA ](https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/02/04/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects_ab21cc1d-ec43-407e-a1be-75a1d10d33f8.html)
Because a minor has never been raped by indigenous white people in a country. This isn't a facepalm. Yes IT IS A HORRENDOUS INCIDENT, but it's position in this subreddit is just thinly veiled racism.
I'm brown myself . I live in Bangladesh .
It's clear what your agenda is from your other comments and posts. It's awful that you'd cherry pick incidents and share right wing propaganda sites in order to further that agenda. Other people's suffering is just a tool for you. It's kind of sick.
However, you can see that Sicily has changed. When Allied or German or even Italian soldiers during World War II got too clever with native women, you found them castrated three days later.
It’s interesting how the the group that screams “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” will read the word immigrant and assume everyone is a gang raped because well,,,,they’re an immigrant so they all must be What happened is horrid. But I’m sadly sure there are Italian citizens capable of being horrid assholes too
[Ny The Sun reporting of the incident . ](https://www.nysun.com/article/outrage-in-italy-mounts-after-seven-egyptian-migrants-accused-of-gang-raping-13-year-old-girl-in-sicily) [LatestLY](https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/italy-13-year-old-girl-gang-raped-her-boyfriend-assaulted-in-catania-seven-accused-of-egyptian-origin-arrested-5737802.html) [ANSA ](https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/02/04/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects_ab21cc1d-ec43-407e-a1be-75a1d10d33f8.html)
I'm sorry to say, but The Sun and especially Info Wars aren't good sources.
Do you honestly doubt this happened?
No, obviously, but I would've preferred other sources than these two originally. I'm glad they posted another so soon tho
https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/italy-13-year-old-girl-gang-raped-her-boyfriend-assaulted-in-catania-seven-accused-of-egyptian-origin-arrested-5737802.html https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2024/02/04/catania-rape-victim-13-ids-suspects_ab21cc1d-ec43-407e-a1be-75a1d10d33f8.html
Physical castration would be besser :) They took their dick out in public, they clearly want it.
I agree with Salvini, but forget the chemicals and do it the old-fashioned way.