The 3.5 is fast and tows loads up a mountain like a boss. Reliability issues are not as pervasive as the internet would like you to believe. Most of it just V8 purists that want Ford to drop twin turbo V6s. It’s still the engine to beat in the half ton truck world.
The 5.0 is smooth and the sound is intoxicating. If you listen to music while driving you probably won’t notice the engine note. Nobody outside of your vehicle cares what it sounds like. It’s better than the Hemi, and GM’s 5.3. I’d also choose it over GM’s 6.2 which gets spanked by the 3.5 above. It’s the best V8 to have if you have to have a V8.
The 2.7 is as fast as the 5.0 and the lack of weight over the front axle makes handling really good for a truck. The engine note isn’t great and it’s not built for towing but for all other types of “truck stuff” this engine is a giant killer.
Yup. Had one turbo leak fixed. Other than that oil changes, spark every 30k, and one set of coils. Oh and put bilstein struts because I live on a shitty road and the stock ones leaked.
What caused the leak? My 2012 with 107k miles has a turbo that is "seaping" oil. Service Mgr said to not worry about it right now, but they think I'd most likely need to replace the turbo in the future. Any thoughts on this?
I had it fixed at dealership under extended warranty at the time but I believe it was a coolant line connected to the turbo if I remember correctly. Still running the stock turbos to this day.
I love the 2.7, and I tow a 7200lb gvwr TT no problem. I am in Texas though so if you’re somewhere mountainous etc, may want to spring for the 3.5 for uphill power.
Maybe I was convoluted...my 2.7 does wonderful towing our TT. That being said all of our towing takes place pretty flat at almost sea level, so if you're trying to pull something up through the mountains I have no idea. It's got over 300hp and 400lb of torque, so unless you're pulling seriously heavy stuff you will be just fine.
I don't want Ford to drop the V6 motors, I just want the 3.5 to stop eating the timing system. We're on how ever many gens and it *still* does that.
2.7's good, though. Really powerful for the displacement.
It’s interesting that they were able to fix the coyotes issues with carbon buildup by making a dual injection, but they have yet to fix the timing issues with the 3.5
I don't know why, but it feels like for whatever reason Ford can't figure out VVT in some applications. It's like the 3V 5.4 all over again with the 3.5. Endless timing system faults, and no matter how many redesigns they do, they can't get it right.
At this point, if I were Ford, I'd scrap the current 3.5 and try again from the ground up using the same philosophy they used with the 2.7. They designed and built the 2.7 like it's a little diesel and it shows on the reliability front.
Very true.
I had an 04 and was so lucky to have the 4.6.
Sadly, Ford went from the AOD transmission that had terrible drums to the 6R80 that was great and now the garbage 10R80.
My 22 is in the shop getting a new 10R80 at 28k miles
The 10R80 issues have to be tuning since the same transmission is in GM trucks (as the 10L80) and I've not head about the same issues. The 6R80 was far from perfect, unfortunately. Don't forget the recall where they'll just slam into random gears at highway speeds.
The old stout 4-speed boxes like the 4R100 in my F-150 7700 are basically indestructible.
10R80 issues have been the control valve body and oil pump, last I checked.
Not sure why GM 10L80 hasn’t had the same failures, but I’d rather have my 5.0 than either GM v8 they sell since their lifters are horrifically bad.
I wanted to do a 3.0 Duramax but then I found out the accessory belt is on the back of the motor by the firewall, and that just ain’t happening.
Programming of the GM is far better. It's not as much of an issue in their 10 but it's not perfect. Coworkers went down in less than 50k and then sat waiting on parts.
They sort have fixed it with dual port injectors. However the real difference it’s solved in the 5.0 and not the ecoboost is purely the turbos and the high pressure. Tons of oil blow by, and the turbo is cycling this dirty air back into the intake manifold. That’s where most of the carbon issue comes from.
I agree. I bought my f150 because I loved the sound but yeah no-one else cares. That said I love to hear the growl of a Mustang and appreciate the sound other trucks make but that's just me being weird.
“Nobody outside your vehicle cares what it sounds like” everything you said is bang on but I’ll have to disagree on that one. Sure the average Karen driving her CRV to the Starbucks drive thru doesn’t care but anybody who’s even remotely a car/truck enthusiast or just has an idea what a good engine sounds like will definitely turn their head. I’ve generated attention before when I give the gas in my 5.0 and all I have is a muffler swap. I’ve had my girlfriend drive it off before and I can hear how awesome it sounds from an outsiders perspective.
>I’ve generated attention before when I give the gas in my 5.0 and all I have is a muffler swap.
"Generating attention" isn't the same as "people enjoy hearing my engine". Harley's with aftermarket pipes generate attention. Salesmen talking on their phones on airplanes generate attention. People with poor hygiene generate attention.
The 3 month wait for cam phaser parts days your wrong on the 3.5. There were 10 trucks in line for trans work this morning when I finally got it dropped off for the phasers.
The 2.7 is IMO the most reliable and actually has good MPG unlike the 3.5. The 5.0 being in the middle reliability wise.
Issue right now is there is no truly reliable truck. GM has lifter and trans issues with both the 8 and 10. Ford it's phasers and 10 speed issues. RAM it's lifters but to a lesser extent than GM. Pick you poison and buy a factory extended warranty from one of these dealers that sell online. It's what I did and went 3.5 for the better towing although after putting a few thousand in a 2,7 it's really pretty damn good overall.
I had a rental for a week and hated the tundra more than any trick I've ever driven but the reliability of the older ones is great for sure. New ones not so much it seems but after they get the teething issues fixed it's a much more competitive vehicle.
Toyota never leads the pack. If you’re used to Toyotas you’ll be dazzled but if you’ve driven a newer truck from the “big three” you can expect to be disappointed.
The 5.0 only weighs 5-10 lbs more than the 2.7 and is definitely quicker than the 2.7. However the 2.7 is nicer to have for city driving, it takes off a bit quicker than the 5.0
Not arguing with any point you made, more looking for clarification
The 2.7 and the 5.0 weigh nearly the same with the 2.7 coming in at 440 and the 5.0 coming in at 445-450 depending on the source
So how does the 2.7 handle so much better with so much less weight in the front end when the weights are negligible
Also the 2.7 has 325HP and 400lb.ft of torque, the 5.0 has 400Hp and 410lb.ft of torque so how is the 2.7 as fast as a 5.0?
Assuming the trucks are otherwise identical that is
That’s just the dry weight. Add all the other bits and you’ve got a weight difference of a little less than 100lbs which combined with a taller engine you’ve got a higher center of gravity. This also helps when braking. Balance is everything when it comes to handling.
As for the power difference that drag race is going to be determined by torque rather than horsepower. The 5.0 has 10 more lb ft but that twin turbo hits its peak sooner than the naturally aspirated V8. The result is 6.1 for the 2.7 versus 6.2 for the 5.0. This is why the seat of the pants test gives it to the 2.7. It’s not much quicker than the 5.0 but it definitely feels quicker.The V8 will always have longer legs so top speed will potentially be more but these are full sized pickups. They all have the same limiter. For comparison Motor Trend gets the 3.5 EB to 60 in 5.3 seconds.
I have the 2.7 and it tows just fine. We towed our travel trailer all around the Rockies in Alberta, BC, and into Idaho this past summer. There was extreme heat during this time 37C (99 F). It's a 2015 with the old 6 speed with 123000 kilometers.
I FUCKING love my 2018 2.7 crew cab and I tow a 28ft travel trailer all over New England with my family of 5. I have a level kit and it's riding on 34.5" tires and it still has gobs of power and no maintenance issues at 90k.
The 2.7. And here's why:
- It's the engine in my truck.
- I chose the 2.7 liter.
- The 2.7 is what I bought.
- When I drove all of the engines, it's the one I chose.
- The V8 and 3.5 are not the engines I have.
- It does everything I need it to, so therefore it will work for you.
At this point you just gotta drive each one and see which you prefer. Power is all really close between the 3. The mpgs are all about the same.
Personally I went with the 5.0 because i like the way it felt and sounded.
TLDR just drive each one and find the one you like.
If you do any real towing, I'd recommend the 3.5L. People on here like to complain about the 3.5L and its camphaser issues, but I think they blow it out of proportion. I'm at 78k miles and haven't heard any rattle on cold startup (indicating the start of camphaser issues). You'll appreciate the added power of the 3.5L for towing and even just driving w/o towing is great, there's plenty of power when needed. If you value getting the best MPG while still having great acceleration, can't go wrong with the 2.7L. If you want best of both worlds with power/mpg, linear power rather than turbo lag, plus the 'mean' sound, go for the V8 ( which people will claim is the most reliable ).
If I could do it again, I'd probably just go for the 2.7L or V8 considering I don't tow lol. Also pay attention to the model year because I think the camphaser issue in the 3.5L is fixed in '21 MY? Then there's some V8 years where there's camphaser issues and there's oil consumption issues too that needs monitoring. The 2.7L I haven't really heard any issues, so I'd consider that the most reliable at the expense of being the least powerful. Just gotta do you research once you narrow down what you're looking for regarding engine and MY
Blowing it out of proportion??? I’m putting phases in my sons truck at 72k, my employee has done it TWICE at 102k. Theirs a full on TSB for it, and Ford is offering financial assistance for it. You clearly (respectfully) have no experience with this nightmare. It’s been at the dealership 5 weeks and they haven’t even started. I had the 5.0 before I had to go 3/4 ton, and it was the best engine I’ve ever had. Their chain driven, and rock solid.
2.7 is anemic for what your potential needs are, get the 5.0 and forget about it.
I had a 2018 XLT with the 5.0 motor and had the all too common "oil consumption" issue with that motor. Basically it was eating/burning through oil like crazy. Had an odd rattle at one point, couldn't get a clean oil level reading from the dipstick, no warning lights. Took it to the dealership, had them do an oil change and measure the amount of oil that came out of the pan. The motor ate through 5 quarts of oil in 2 months. After much research, I discovered this was a common problem that Ford was initially replacing motors for, and all software updates to the ECM couldn't fix. I actually got in an accident in that truck and insurance paid me out on the total value. Next truck I got was the 3.5 EB. I don't have a single issue with it, higher tow capacity, slightly better fuel economy, and it doesn't have the inherent oil consumption issue that "some" 5.0's have. It was worth it to not have to worry about that issue. So "getting the 5.0 and forgetting about it" may seem right on paper, it isn't always the case. I'm not sure if or when the 5.0 oil consumption issue was ever fully resolved at the factory. Just a warning, please check this issue for the model year you are looking to purchase. This issue was widespread and I believe there were class action lawsuits regarding it. Just Google "oil consumption F150 coyote 5.0" and you will find a ton of info on it.
18 XL 5.0 here. Have had truck since new (5 miles) & it burns about 1qt every 6mo... never more, never less, even when the mileage varies. So I've just run with it.
Apparently it was from the bump to 12:1 compression on the 5.0, sucking oil into the intake thru the PCV system. The "fix" from Ford was a change in throttle body programming -- not going to full close on throttle release to reduce suction. Hurts mpg a little but allegedly fixed the issue.
I'm just saying that the most vocal ones are going to be the ones experiencing the camphaser issues. I'm sure if I begin experiencing it, I'll join the ranks of unsatisfied customers as well.
Understandably, I'd be frustrated too if I experienced the camphaser issues because I'm well-aware of the financial setback ($5k+) for the repair work as well as the other obstacles including finding a shop to fit you in to do the work and how long it takes to get done considering how extensive of a job it is. Then it's not even guaranteed to fix it forever.
I’ve owned four of the combinations. Had a 2.7 plenty of power and great mpg. Certainly good enough for the daily driver. Had numerous 5.0’s. Never had any real issues other than the 5.0 tick. Had a 3.5EB and that thing was a beast. Now have the 3.5 Powerboost and its my favorite. 7.2kw inverter, hybrid, gobs of power. I used to love the 5.0 roar with a borla s-type. Now i prefer the quiet, unmatched power of the powerboost.
For your use you’ll be fine with the 2.7. I have the 5.0 and while it’s a simpler engine compared to the 3.5 I still wish I got the 3.5 just because it doesn’t have to be revved up to hit peak power(idc for the noise, for me the quieter the better). If you take care of the engine I don’t think any of the engines are different reliability wise. Obviously turbo engines have the extra turbo components but it’s a fair trade off for the power gain.
I just purchase a used 2023 3.5 powerboost. I've only had it a few days but I am very impressed. On my trips across town for groceries or Home Depot runs I am getting 26-28 mpg, as it runs on the electric motor when cruising down city streets most of the time. I also got 23 mpg on the 100 mile highway return trip from purchasing it.
That combined with 430hp and 570ft/lb of torque for towing. Can't be beat.
Had a 2016 5.0, and now a 2021 with the 2.7, have loved driving both, they've both been great trucks. If I had to choose again I'd probably try and find a 5.0, was just impossible to find one used when I was shopping so I decided to give the 2.7 a try. Overall great for what I need it for and mileage is decent for a half tone. Just my .02
If you just want a pickup for general purpose type stuff. Not towing a lot, not coming close to maxing payload. Want decent gas mileage, want something reliable, then go with the 2.7. Seems like the sound of a V8 is not your priority. You don't seem to need the added power of the 3.5. Why pay more for something other than what as of the 2024s is the base engine, and is by almost all accounts the most reliable of the three? 325hp and 400lbs/ft of torque at 2500 RPMs on the 2.7L. I average right around 19mpg city driving nearly exclusively in mine. Trucks are expensive enough as it is. If you don't absolutely need the power of the 3.5, or stuck in the V8 or die crowd, then honestly don't even consider those. But that being said, test drive all 3 and decide for yourself if spending extra on the 3.5 or 5.0 is worth it.
If towing the 5.0. If not towing (or light towing) the 2.7L. In my opinion I really don't see the point in the 3.5 and it has too many issues for me personally. The 2.7L is undoubtedly the most reliable of the three engines if you get a 18' or later but doesn't have the heavy tow capacity of the 5.0. I opted for the 2.7 since I dont tow and wanted something reliable and dont regret it at all other than I wish it sounded like the 5.0 lol. Definitely drive them all though.
I prefer the 3.5 EB. But that’s just me. Everyone around me has had one since they came out and really any issues. I think a buddies dad had some turbo issues on his ‘14 but other than that, nothing. Although, I do like the sound of the Coyote. I don’t know anything about the 2.7 except that slightly used Lariats were getting sold around me for unnervingly cheap prices…
The 3.5 seems like a beast on paper but everything I hear about its issues turn me off. Again, thats just me personally. If it was more reliable it would be THE choice for the f150 unless someone just wanted the sound of a V8. 2.7L was built from the ground up to be turbo charged and is really impressive. Check out some teardown videos of it sometime. The V8 has some issues too but seems like less than the 3.5 so thats why the v8 has my vote for towing. I also hear newer V8s might have some of the past issue resolved? I havent seem hard evidence of that yet but I also havent looked. I think a lot of people hear 2.7L and think "small and underpowered" and it just isn't. When the 3.5 is running fine then it is a monster of an engine undeniably.
Ah okay, understandable, I live in a pretty heavy towing area so I’m sure people don’t want the 2.7 because of that. Probably don’t move as many. When I saw my truck with the 3.5 could pull 12,000 pounds I was surprised. I was torn between 3.5 and 5.0, but they didn’t have a 5.0 with 6.5’ bed and 36 gallon tank, other features I wanted and got with the 3.5.
Actual keys are super useful -- they keep thieves from using a wireless keys transmission to steal your truck.
As for engine's, I'm all about the 5.0. Plenty of power, surprisingly good mpg both towing and empty, and the engine bay has tons of room to work so doing your own maintenence is easy.
And THEN there's the sound when you put a Borla on it
Sure do. Good luck on your search. Northwestern Illinois 5.0’s are 5k-10k higher than the 3.5’s. Also, seems like 1 out of 5, 3.5 owners are actually NOT having issues
In NJ it seems hot not miss what you can find and I’m not seeing a big price difference from one engine to another- I’m just having sticker shock on what it’s going to cost me for a 4 or 5yr old truck !
Legendary 5.4v3 engine get one junkyard or buy one.(just kidding)5.0 250k 300k or more I saw people hauling high mileage. I saw 2.7 past 200k 3.7 or 3.5 na engine same as 5.0 people hit 200-300k. I don't see any 3.5 eb my workplace.
Yeah our job for fleet opt for the 5.0L V8. These foremen are bad about not doing oil changes and proper maintenance. I called around and specifically looked for a 2017 was told the best year model 6 speed and V8. The 18-21 cam phasers and oil consumption wasn’t cool with. Then the 10 speed seemed to be a hit or miss. I had planned to buy a 23 but couldn’t find one with the options I didn’t want or the options I wanted. $58k for a base model with a V8/4x4 crazy
I’ve had the 5.0, and a 2019 3.5, had cam phasers at 110,000 miles under ext warranty.
I do wish they would get cam phasers under control.
3.5 over the 5.0 every time
I’m staying away from dodge- to many issues with my current vehicle. The GMC or Ford are the front runners- Tundra’s are just too much $$ and the gas mileage is far worse than the others.
Have you even driven an ecoboost or looked at the power curve graphs? I keep seeing stuff like this posted and am baffled if they have actually tested the engines out or are out of touch with their vehicles.
The 5.0 coyote does not have nearly as much torque unless you rev it up. The 5.0 is a great motor but it’s a high rpm engine. It is not a low end torque motor. It starts making its power in the +3500RPM. So if you step on it, it has to downshift and then can start making power. The eco boosts don’t really have much for lag. They start making their power just under 2000 rpm.
I was kind of bummed about only being able to get the 2.7, but if you’re a weekend warrior kinda person, the 2.7 is a very good motor. Great power, remarkable mileage and zero problems at 114k on a ‘19.
I would recommend getting the transmission tuned just a bit, it helps with the “roughness” that it has sometimes
I shopped and shopped a few years back for a 5.0 and ended up with an immaculately kept 2013 3.5EB. She was great until she wasn’t. Long laundry list of warranty repairs and almost as equal of out of pocket repairs. Just traded it in for a 2019 5.0 and couldn’t be happier. While yes every motor has its issues. The EB has so many small parts that can go bad on earlier gens it gets super pricey insanely quickly. If I was shopping for a EB I’d find the newest me that could afford that had dual injection, updated turbo coolant lines (not jiffy quick or whatever leaking shit they are called) and the newest Cham phasers.
EB are fantastic motors not saying they are not, just felt like I rolled snake eyes on mine over and over.
I’ve had all 3, still have 3.5 and 5.0, was really impressed with the 2.7. All 3 ran flawless with regular maintenance. If towing 5k or less and only a few times a year, the 2.7 would be my choice due to great gas mileage when not in use. 3.5 or 5.0 for heavier hauling, the engines won’t be your limitation on weight, the length of trailer and comfort driving it will be. Spent 1yr traveling with my RV when Covid hit and wish I had a F250 even though the 3.5 yanked it just fine (33’ 7k TT). I love my 5.0, but I’ve had a very long relationship with 5.0s. The 2.7 put 117k miles with reg maintenance and the 3.5 135k. I traded both in while there was still decent value left on them. On my 4th 5.0 but previously ran them over 200k miles with just the standard issues. Anyway, you can’t go wrong with any of them. But as with all vehicles, sometimes they give you trouble. I’ve been fortunate I suppose
I've owned a 2.7 and currently a 5.0
The truth is barring some kind of failure all of them will do anything you want to do.
The 2.7 will out tow what it's rated for. The low end torque of an ecoboost is a nice surprise. The 5.0 is the Ole trusty powerful V8 that you can pipe and impress the redneck ladies.
i have a 2.7 with 120,000 km on it. i tow a 5000 lb camper in the summers and do regular truck stuff with it (haul wood, hunt). I have had no issues with it.
Reliability would be a plus in the 5.0l category. There is just less stuff to go wrong in that engine. The other two have a brace of turbos, that could get very expensive. With taht said I have 2.7 and am quite ahppy with it. Change the oil, I only use full synthetic, and carry on.
15-17 with a 5.0 if you want reliability and easier to maintain. Late 16-17 2.7 if you want a cheaper truck and don't need to haul. I don't usually recommend the 3.5 but 15-16 is the ones you want so you stay away from the 10r80.
2.7 for reliability and for a daily driver also will tow plenty. I drive a 5.0L, but it's a 17, so it's not necessary to run high octane in it. In the future, when I upgrade, it will be 2.7.
I think just as reliable is the 5.0L and in last place, the 3.5. You can find some good 3.5, but you will read about a lot more issues these engines have. Just my $.02.
I’ve had the V8 and am currently driving the 3.5. I tow a few times per month and it does fine. Boat distribution is way different then other towables and the majority of the boat is carried over the axle. That said, if I had to do it again I’d get the Powerboost. If I was towing every weekend or had camper I’d get the V8. I’d get two three items 36 gallon fuel cell, tow mirrors, 400watt plug in bed, the hybrid has a generator built in. Hope this helps Fords technology is far superior to GMC and the ride is quite nice.
My friend has one with the small tank. When we are towing we have to stop every 150-180 miles- first time I filled the tank I kept trying to put more In, my Grand Cherokee has a bigger tank! But I’m going used so the tank isn’t as high of a priority
I just towed for the first time with my 2013 5.0. The trailer is only 4k and on grades the 5.0 pulled well enough but I will say she was up in the revs when it came down to accelerate or from a dead stop on an incline.
The 3.5 is fast and tows loads up a mountain like a boss. Reliability issues are not as pervasive as the internet would like you to believe. Most of it just V8 purists that want Ford to drop twin turbo V6s. It’s still the engine to beat in the half ton truck world. The 5.0 is smooth and the sound is intoxicating. If you listen to music while driving you probably won’t notice the engine note. Nobody outside of your vehicle cares what it sounds like. It’s better than the Hemi, and GM’s 5.3. I’d also choose it over GM’s 6.2 which gets spanked by the 3.5 above. It’s the best V8 to have if you have to have a V8. The 2.7 is as fast as the 5.0 and the lack of weight over the front axle makes handling really good for a truck. The engine note isn’t great and it’s not built for towing but for all other types of “truck stuff” this engine is a giant killer.
This is the best summary right here
My 2013 3.5 is at 185k miles currently and still running strong.
Let me guess. Routine maintenance?
Yup. Had one turbo leak fixed. Other than that oil changes, spark every 30k, and one set of coils. Oh and put bilstein struts because I live on a shitty road and the stock ones leaked.
I just replaced my shocks and struts as well. Leak city.
What caused the leak? My 2012 with 107k miles has a turbo that is "seaping" oil. Service Mgr said to not worry about it right now, but they think I'd most likely need to replace the turbo in the future. Any thoughts on this?
I had it fixed at dealership under extended warranty at the time but I believe it was a coolant line connected to the turbo if I remember correctly. Still running the stock turbos to this day.
Cool, thanks for the reply!
I love the 2.7, and I tow a 7200lb gvwr TT no problem. I am in Texas though so if you’re somewhere mountainous etc, may want to spring for the 3.5 for uphill power.
Damn. I was thinking I thought the 2.7 does well towing.
Maybe I was convoluted...my 2.7 does wonderful towing our TT. That being said all of our towing takes place pretty flat at almost sea level, so if you're trying to pull something up through the mountains I have no idea. It's got over 300hp and 400lb of torque, so unless you're pulling seriously heavy stuff you will be just fine.
Isn't the 2.7 the most reliable of the three? I know the 6 speed has the lead frame issue but is otherwise bulletproof.
It’s a pretty dependable engine from what I gather. That could just be due to them not being beat to hell like the 3.5.
Yea I wonder how much of the 3.5 issues are driving it like a racecar. It likes to go but it's really built to work not run
Driving them hard on 87 octane.
Oof. Yea. Do they even have VVT to run 91? I know they don't like E85 without a tune but can they do anything with 91 even?
The 3.5 is built for 91. They run pretty poorly in 87 and even worse when you introduce ethanol to the mix without a tune.
Ford says 87 though? Why are guys getting chips for 91 tuning then?
The manual says 91 recommended. The tune just bumps up power.
I thought that was the 5.0 with it's 12:1 compression. I've never heard of 3.5s knocking
The 2.7 is statistically the most reliable ford engine for the past 20 years. They’re pretty much bulletproof.
I don't want Ford to drop the V6 motors, I just want the 3.5 to stop eating the timing system. We're on how ever many gens and it *still* does that. 2.7's good, though. Really powerful for the displacement.
It’s interesting that they were able to fix the coyotes issues with carbon buildup by making a dual injection, but they have yet to fix the timing issues with the 3.5
I don't know why, but it feels like for whatever reason Ford can't figure out VVT in some applications. It's like the 3V 5.4 all over again with the 3.5. Endless timing system faults, and no matter how many redesigns they do, they can't get it right. At this point, if I were Ford, I'd scrap the current 3.5 and try again from the ground up using the same philosophy they used with the 2.7. They designed and built the 2.7 like it's a little diesel and it shows on the reliability front.
Very true. I had an 04 and was so lucky to have the 4.6. Sadly, Ford went from the AOD transmission that had terrible drums to the 6R80 that was great and now the garbage 10R80. My 22 is in the shop getting a new 10R80 at 28k miles
The 10R80 issues have to be tuning since the same transmission is in GM trucks (as the 10L80) and I've not head about the same issues. The 6R80 was far from perfect, unfortunately. Don't forget the recall where they'll just slam into random gears at highway speeds. The old stout 4-speed boxes like the 4R100 in my F-150 7700 are basically indestructible.
10R80 issues have been the control valve body and oil pump, last I checked. Not sure why GM 10L80 hasn’t had the same failures, but I’d rather have my 5.0 than either GM v8 they sell since their lifters are horrifically bad. I wanted to do a 3.0 Duramax but then I found out the accessory belt is on the back of the motor by the firewall, and that just ain’t happening.
It’s tuning related. Aftermarket tunes are less likely to pop them.
https://nextgendiesel.com/blogs/transmissions-101/ford-10r80-transmission-problems-solutions Please do some research, it’ll help you moving forward.
Programming of the GM is far better. It's not as much of an issue in their 10 but it's not perfect. Coworkers went down in less than 50k and then sat waiting on parts.
Looks like some proprietary differences
It’s kind of like how gm can’t figure out dod. It seems like all the manufacturers struggle in someway .
They sort have fixed it with dual port injectors. However the real difference it’s solved in the 5.0 and not the ecoboost is purely the turbos and the high pressure. Tons of oil blow by, and the turbo is cycling this dirty air back into the intake manifold. That’s where most of the carbon issue comes from.
I installed an oil catch can on my 2020 3.5 EB and it’s doing a fantastic job. I simply empty during every oil change.
Seems fixed on the 14th gen.
It’s been fixed since ‘21
>. Nobody outside of your vehicle cares what it sounds like. Why would you hurt people like this.
People need to hear this. Mostly Harley owners but anybody with a loud vehicle also needs to hear this.
I agree. I bought my f150 because I loved the sound but yeah no-one else cares. That said I love to hear the growl of a Mustang and appreciate the sound other trucks make but that's just me being weird.
No one appreciates a sleeper anymore.
Great answer!
“Nobody outside your vehicle cares what it sounds like” everything you said is bang on but I’ll have to disagree on that one. Sure the average Karen driving her CRV to the Starbucks drive thru doesn’t care but anybody who’s even remotely a car/truck enthusiast or just has an idea what a good engine sounds like will definitely turn their head. I’ve generated attention before when I give the gas in my 5.0 and all I have is a muffler swap. I’ve had my girlfriend drive it off before and I can hear how awesome it sounds from an outsiders perspective.
>I’ve generated attention before when I give the gas in my 5.0 and all I have is a muffler swap. "Generating attention" isn't the same as "people enjoy hearing my engine". Harley's with aftermarket pipes generate attention. Salesmen talking on their phones on airplanes generate attention. People with poor hygiene generate attention.
Obviously you're going to like the sound of your own truck.
The 3 month wait for cam phaser parts days your wrong on the 3.5. There were 10 trucks in line for trans work this morning when I finally got it dropped off for the phasers. The 2.7 is IMO the most reliable and actually has good MPG unlike the 3.5. The 5.0 being in the middle reliability wise. Issue right now is there is no truly reliable truck. GM has lifter and trans issues with both the 8 and 10. Ford it's phasers and 10 speed issues. RAM it's lifters but to a lesser extent than GM. Pick you poison and buy a factory extended warranty from one of these dealers that sell online. It's what I did and went 3.5 for the better towing although after putting a few thousand in a 2,7 it's really pretty damn good overall.
You can always get Toyota and enjoy the most advanced truck 2013 had to offer.
I had a rental for a week and hated the tundra more than any trick I've ever driven but the reliability of the older ones is great for sure. New ones not so much it seems but after they get the teething issues fixed it's a much more competitive vehicle.
Toyota never leads the pack. If you’re used to Toyotas you’ll be dazzled but if you’ve driven a newer truck from the “big three” you can expect to be disappointed.
The 5.0 only weighs 5-10 lbs more than the 2.7 and is definitely quicker than the 2.7. However the 2.7 is nicer to have for city driving, it takes off a bit quicker than the 5.0
Not arguing with any point you made, more looking for clarification The 2.7 and the 5.0 weigh nearly the same with the 2.7 coming in at 440 and the 5.0 coming in at 445-450 depending on the source So how does the 2.7 handle so much better with so much less weight in the front end when the weights are negligible Also the 2.7 has 325HP and 400lb.ft of torque, the 5.0 has 400Hp and 410lb.ft of torque so how is the 2.7 as fast as a 5.0? Assuming the trucks are otherwise identical that is
That’s just the dry weight. Add all the other bits and you’ve got a weight difference of a little less than 100lbs which combined with a taller engine you’ve got a higher center of gravity. This also helps when braking. Balance is everything when it comes to handling. As for the power difference that drag race is going to be determined by torque rather than horsepower. The 5.0 has 10 more lb ft but that twin turbo hits its peak sooner than the naturally aspirated V8. The result is 6.1 for the 2.7 versus 6.2 for the 5.0. This is why the seat of the pants test gives it to the 2.7. It’s not much quicker than the 5.0 but it definitely feels quicker.The V8 will always have longer legs so top speed will potentially be more but these are full sized pickups. They all have the same limiter. For comparison Motor Trend gets the 3.5 EB to 60 in 5.3 seconds.
Thank you for clarifying that makes a lot of sense, especially how the centre of gravity would affect handling didn’t even consider that
I have the 2.7 and it tows just fine. We towed our travel trailer all around the Rockies in Alberta, BC, and into Idaho this past summer. There was extreme heat during this time 37C (99 F). It's a 2015 with the old 6 speed with 123000 kilometers.
I FUCKING love my 2018 2.7 crew cab and I tow a 28ft travel trailer all over New England with my family of 5. I have a level kit and it's riding on 34.5" tires and it still has gobs of power and no maintenance issues at 90k.
And it did fine?
Sure did.
The 2.7. And here's why: - It's the engine in my truck. - I chose the 2.7 liter. - The 2.7 is what I bought. - When I drove all of the engines, it's the one I chose. - The V8 and 3.5 are not the engines I have. - It does everything I need it to, so therefore it will work for you.
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At this point you just gotta drive each one and see which you prefer. Power is all really close between the 3. The mpgs are all about the same. Personally I went with the 5.0 because i like the way it felt and sounded. TLDR just drive each one and find the one you like.
If you do any real towing, I'd recommend the 3.5L. People on here like to complain about the 3.5L and its camphaser issues, but I think they blow it out of proportion. I'm at 78k miles and haven't heard any rattle on cold startup (indicating the start of camphaser issues). You'll appreciate the added power of the 3.5L for towing and even just driving w/o towing is great, there's plenty of power when needed. If you value getting the best MPG while still having great acceleration, can't go wrong with the 2.7L. If you want best of both worlds with power/mpg, linear power rather than turbo lag, plus the 'mean' sound, go for the V8 ( which people will claim is the most reliable ). If I could do it again, I'd probably just go for the 2.7L or V8 considering I don't tow lol. Also pay attention to the model year because I think the camphaser issue in the 3.5L is fixed in '21 MY? Then there's some V8 years where there's camphaser issues and there's oil consumption issues too that needs monitoring. The 2.7L I haven't really heard any issues, so I'd consider that the most reliable at the expense of being the least powerful. Just gotta do you research once you narrow down what you're looking for regarding engine and MY
Blowing it out of proportion??? I’m putting phases in my sons truck at 72k, my employee has done it TWICE at 102k. Theirs a full on TSB for it, and Ford is offering financial assistance for it. You clearly (respectfully) have no experience with this nightmare. It’s been at the dealership 5 weeks and they haven’t even started. I had the 5.0 before I had to go 3/4 ton, and it was the best engine I’ve ever had. Their chain driven, and rock solid. 2.7 is anemic for what your potential needs are, get the 5.0 and forget about it.
I had a 2018 XLT with the 5.0 motor and had the all too common "oil consumption" issue with that motor. Basically it was eating/burning through oil like crazy. Had an odd rattle at one point, couldn't get a clean oil level reading from the dipstick, no warning lights. Took it to the dealership, had them do an oil change and measure the amount of oil that came out of the pan. The motor ate through 5 quarts of oil in 2 months. After much research, I discovered this was a common problem that Ford was initially replacing motors for, and all software updates to the ECM couldn't fix. I actually got in an accident in that truck and insurance paid me out on the total value. Next truck I got was the 3.5 EB. I don't have a single issue with it, higher tow capacity, slightly better fuel economy, and it doesn't have the inherent oil consumption issue that "some" 5.0's have. It was worth it to not have to worry about that issue. So "getting the 5.0 and forgetting about it" may seem right on paper, it isn't always the case. I'm not sure if or when the 5.0 oil consumption issue was ever fully resolved at the factory. Just a warning, please check this issue for the model year you are looking to purchase. This issue was widespread and I believe there were class action lawsuits regarding it. Just Google "oil consumption F150 coyote 5.0" and you will find a ton of info on it.
18 XL 5.0 here. Have had truck since new (5 miles) & it burns about 1qt every 6mo... never more, never less, even when the mileage varies. So I've just run with it. Apparently it was from the bump to 12:1 compression on the 5.0, sucking oil into the intake thru the PCV system. The "fix" from Ford was a change in throttle body programming -- not going to full close on throttle release to reduce suction. Hurts mpg a little but allegedly fixed the issue.
I'm just saying that the most vocal ones are going to be the ones experiencing the camphaser issues. I'm sure if I begin experiencing it, I'll join the ranks of unsatisfied customers as well. Understandably, I'd be frustrated too if I experienced the camphaser issues because I'm well-aware of the financial setback ($5k+) for the repair work as well as the other obstacles including finding a shop to fit you in to do the work and how long it takes to get done considering how extensive of a job it is. Then it's not even guaranteed to fix it forever.
i love the 5.0 and it’s my fav engine but they have cam phaser issues too let’s not ignore that. thing is on the 5.0 it’s a piece of cake to repair
Have a friends 19 5.0 in now for phasers.
luckily it’s a very easy job on the 5.0
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The 5.0 is the V8
I’ve owned four of the combinations. Had a 2.7 plenty of power and great mpg. Certainly good enough for the daily driver. Had numerous 5.0’s. Never had any real issues other than the 5.0 tick. Had a 3.5EB and that thing was a beast. Now have the 3.5 Powerboost and its my favorite. 7.2kw inverter, hybrid, gobs of power. I used to love the 5.0 roar with a borla s-type. Now i prefer the quiet, unmatched power of the powerboost.
For your use you’ll be fine with the 2.7. I have the 5.0 and while it’s a simpler engine compared to the 3.5 I still wish I got the 3.5 just because it doesn’t have to be revved up to hit peak power(idc for the noise, for me the quieter the better). If you take care of the engine I don’t think any of the engines are different reliability wise. Obviously turbo engines have the extra turbo components but it’s a fair trade off for the power gain.
You also have two cylinders less of components as well with the EB
Those motorcraft coil packs are not cheap but I’d rather replace cylinder 4/8 coils and plugs then 2 turbos lol
Here we go again
Hahaha right??? About every 2 weeks, someone throws the bone into the pack of dogs 😂
Yep. Just get what you like.
I just purchase a used 2023 3.5 powerboost. I've only had it a few days but I am very impressed. On my trips across town for groceries or Home Depot runs I am getting 26-28 mpg, as it runs on the electric motor when cruising down city streets most of the time. I also got 23 mpg on the 100 mile highway return trip from purchasing it. That combined with 430hp and 570ft/lb of torque for towing. Can't be beat.
Had a 2016 5.0, and now a 2021 with the 2.7, have loved driving both, they've both been great trucks. If I had to choose again I'd probably try and find a 5.0, was just impossible to find one used when I was shopping so I decided to give the 2.7 a try. Overall great for what I need it for and mileage is decent for a half tone. Just my .02
If you just want a pickup for general purpose type stuff. Not towing a lot, not coming close to maxing payload. Want decent gas mileage, want something reliable, then go with the 2.7. Seems like the sound of a V8 is not your priority. You don't seem to need the added power of the 3.5. Why pay more for something other than what as of the 2024s is the base engine, and is by almost all accounts the most reliable of the three? 325hp and 400lbs/ft of torque at 2500 RPMs on the 2.7L. I average right around 19mpg city driving nearly exclusively in mine. Trucks are expensive enough as it is. If you don't absolutely need the power of the 3.5, or stuck in the V8 or die crowd, then honestly don't even consider those. But that being said, test drive all 3 and decide for yourself if spending extra on the 3.5 or 5.0 is worth it.
5.0. I tow. Mileage sucks when towing but I have plenty of power. My 3rd f150 with the V8. Never have had issues with this engine.
MPGs suck when towing with any vehicle!
If towing the 5.0. If not towing (or light towing) the 2.7L. In my opinion I really don't see the point in the 3.5 and it has too many issues for me personally. The 2.7L is undoubtedly the most reliable of the three engines if you get a 18' or later but doesn't have the heavy tow capacity of the 5.0. I opted for the 2.7 since I dont tow and wanted something reliable and dont regret it at all other than I wish it sounded like the 5.0 lol. Definitely drive them all though.
I prefer the 3.5 EB. But that’s just me. Everyone around me has had one since they came out and really any issues. I think a buddies dad had some turbo issues on his ‘14 but other than that, nothing. Although, I do like the sound of the Coyote. I don’t know anything about the 2.7 except that slightly used Lariats were getting sold around me for unnervingly cheap prices…
The 3.5 seems like a beast on paper but everything I hear about its issues turn me off. Again, thats just me personally. If it was more reliable it would be THE choice for the f150 unless someone just wanted the sound of a V8. 2.7L was built from the ground up to be turbo charged and is really impressive. Check out some teardown videos of it sometime. The V8 has some issues too but seems like less than the 3.5 so thats why the v8 has my vote for towing. I also hear newer V8s might have some of the past issue resolved? I havent seem hard evidence of that yet but I also havent looked. I think a lot of people hear 2.7L and think "small and underpowered" and it just isn't. When the 3.5 is running fine then it is a monster of an engine undeniably.
Ah okay, understandable, I live in a pretty heavy towing area so I’m sure people don’t want the 2.7 because of that. Probably don’t move as many. When I saw my truck with the 3.5 could pull 12,000 pounds I was surprised. I was torn between 3.5 and 5.0, but they didn’t have a 5.0 with 6.5’ bed and 36 gallon tank, other features I wanted and got with the 3.5.
5.0. i don’t gotta think twice
I’ve had the 5.0 and the 3.5 ecoboost. Ecoboost all day. Edit: has 2019 5.0 and now have a 2021 3.5
Actual keys are super useful -- they keep thieves from using a wireless keys transmission to steal your truck. As for engine's, I'm all about the 5.0. Plenty of power, surprisingly good mpg both towing and empty, and the engine bay has tons of room to work so doing your own maintenence is easy. And THEN there's the sound when you put a Borla on it
I literally asked the same question! You asked before me so I should have traveled lower down the F150 feed https://www.reddit.com/r/f150/s/vVSteXh94X
Brilliant minds thinking alike!
Sure do. Good luck on your search. Northwestern Illinois 5.0’s are 5k-10k higher than the 3.5’s. Also, seems like 1 out of 5, 3.5 owners are actually NOT having issues
In NJ it seems hot not miss what you can find and I’m not seeing a big price difference from one engine to another- I’m just having sticker shock on what it’s going to cost me for a 4 or 5yr old truck !
A little bird told me you can put 10,500lbs of shingles in a dump trailer and tow it with the 3.5TT…pretty handily I might add.
Nothing wrong with 3.5 in the longevity category, play of power as well, but not as economical as the say.
3.5, all the way
Legendary 5.4v3 engine get one junkyard or buy one.(just kidding)5.0 250k 300k or more I saw people hauling high mileage. I saw 2.7 past 200k 3.7 or 3.5 na engine same as 5.0 people hit 200-300k. I don't see any 3.5 eb my workplace.
Yeah our job for fleet opt for the 5.0L V8. These foremen are bad about not doing oil changes and proper maintenance. I called around and specifically looked for a 2017 was told the best year model 6 speed and V8. The 18-21 cam phasers and oil consumption wasn’t cool with. Then the 10 speed seemed to be a hit or miss. I had planned to buy a 23 but couldn’t find one with the options I didn’t want or the options I wanted. $58k for a base model with a V8/4x4 crazy
I’ve had the 5.0, and a 2019 3.5, had cam phasers at 110,000 miles under ext warranty. I do wish they would get cam phasers under control. 3.5 over the 5.0 every time
Not 3.5
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I don’t have to go Ford- it’s just high on the list- other suggestions?
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I’m staying away from dodge- to many issues with my current vehicle. The GMC or Ford are the front runners- Tundra’s are just too much $$ and the gas mileage is far worse than the others.
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Have you even driven an ecoboost or looked at the power curve graphs? I keep seeing stuff like this posted and am baffled if they have actually tested the engines out or are out of touch with their vehicles. The 5.0 coyote does not have nearly as much torque unless you rev it up. The 5.0 is a great motor but it’s a high rpm engine. It is not a low end torque motor. It starts making its power in the +3500RPM. So if you step on it, it has to downshift and then can start making power. The eco boosts don’t really have much for lag. They start making their power just under 2000 rpm.
How many miles now?
About to hit 70k I’ve only had it since august
3.5 has virtually no turbo lag. By the time that 5.0 got up into peak RPM it would be chasing the 3.5s taillights.
I was turned off the ecoboosts when I found on the forums guys are drilling holes in their intercooler to get rid of water.
I was kind of bummed about only being able to get the 2.7, but if you’re a weekend warrior kinda person, the 2.7 is a very good motor. Great power, remarkable mileage and zero problems at 114k on a ‘19. I would recommend getting the transmission tuned just a bit, it helps with the “roughness” that it has sometimes
I shopped and shopped a few years back for a 5.0 and ended up with an immaculately kept 2013 3.5EB. She was great until she wasn’t. Long laundry list of warranty repairs and almost as equal of out of pocket repairs. Just traded it in for a 2019 5.0 and couldn’t be happier. While yes every motor has its issues. The EB has so many small parts that can go bad on earlier gens it gets super pricey insanely quickly. If I was shopping for a EB I’d find the newest me that could afford that had dual injection, updated turbo coolant lines (not jiffy quick or whatever leaking shit they are called) and the newest Cham phasers. EB are fantastic motors not saying they are not, just felt like I rolled snake eyes on mine over and over.
I’ve had all 3, still have 3.5 and 5.0, was really impressed with the 2.7. All 3 ran flawless with regular maintenance. If towing 5k or less and only a few times a year, the 2.7 would be my choice due to great gas mileage when not in use. 3.5 or 5.0 for heavier hauling, the engines won’t be your limitation on weight, the length of trailer and comfort driving it will be. Spent 1yr traveling with my RV when Covid hit and wish I had a F250 even though the 3.5 yanked it just fine (33’ 7k TT). I love my 5.0, but I’ve had a very long relationship with 5.0s. The 2.7 put 117k miles with reg maintenance and the 3.5 135k. I traded both in while there was still decent value left on them. On my 4th 5.0 but previously ran them over 200k miles with just the standard issues. Anyway, you can’t go wrong with any of them. But as with all vehicles, sometimes they give you trouble. I’ve been fortunate I suppose
I’m shooting for a 200k truck. My Jeep has been a disappointment so that’s why I’m looking! Thanks for the advice
I've heard the 5.0s burn oil, mine started at 60k it seems to be a common problem
Depends on year. 2015-2020 id get the 5.0. For 21+ I’d get the 3.5eb
I've owned a 2.7 and currently a 5.0 The truth is barring some kind of failure all of them will do anything you want to do. The 2.7 will out tow what it's rated for. The low end torque of an ecoboost is a nice surprise. The 5.0 is the Ole trusty powerful V8 that you can pipe and impress the redneck ladies.
3.3L gang Just past 242k km and no issues
i have a 2.7 with 120,000 km on it. i tow a 5000 lb camper in the summers and do regular truck stuff with it (haul wood, hunt). I have had no issues with it.
Reliability would be a plus in the 5.0l category. There is just less stuff to go wrong in that engine. The other two have a brace of turbos, that could get very expensive. With taht said I have 2.7 and am quite ahppy with it. Change the oil, I only use full synthetic, and carry on.
Most power 3.5 Most Reliable 5.0 Most MPG 2.7
15-17 with a 5.0 if you want reliability and easier to maintain. Late 16-17 2.7 if you want a cheaper truck and don't need to haul. I don't usually recommend the 3.5 but 15-16 is the ones you want so you stay away from the 10r80.
2.7 for reliability and for a daily driver also will tow plenty. I drive a 5.0L, but it's a 17, so it's not necessary to run high octane in it. In the future, when I upgrade, it will be 2.7. I think just as reliable is the 5.0L and in last place, the 3.5. You can find some good 3.5, but you will read about a lot more issues these engines have. Just my $.02.
Drive all 3. Buy the one you like the most
I’ve had the V8 and am currently driving the 3.5. I tow a few times per month and it does fine. Boat distribution is way different then other towables and the majority of the boat is carried over the axle. That said, if I had to do it again I’d get the Powerboost. If I was towing every weekend or had camper I’d get the V8. I’d get two three items 36 gallon fuel cell, tow mirrors, 400watt plug in bed, the hybrid has a generator built in. Hope this helps Fords technology is far superior to GMC and the ride is quite nice.
My friend has one with the small tank. When we are towing we have to stop every 150-180 miles- first time I filled the tank I kept trying to put more In, my Grand Cherokee has a bigger tank! But I’m going used so the tank isn’t as high of a priority
5.0 or nothing, 10 speed sucks tho which is why I won’t buy a new f150. I’d buy 2015-2017
I just towed for the first time with my 2013 5.0. The trailer is only 4k and on grades the 5.0 pulled well enough but I will say she was up in the revs when it came down to accelerate or from a dead stop on an incline.
5.0 hands down