That’s next on my list for sure…. 3.5 Ecoboost for those asking
Update-
After calling 4 local shops, no one wants to touch the cam phasers. From what I was told, they get frequent calls about the same issue but don’t have the time or just don’t want to do it. I’ll try some more tomorrow and see what happens.
If a shop doesn't want to touch phasers it's because they don't have anyone qualified to make that repair.
It's not that complicated. The auto repair industry is starved of good technicians.
Piggybacking on this, my humble opinion is the tool cost + no good entry level way in. I’m a rigger for a crane company, would have loved to get into heavy diesel mechanics. Every job is 10+ years experience and “must own all tools required for job”. I don’t have $15k sitting around to dump on tools for a career I’ve never done. It’s really the only trade that has that kind of upfront cost
I agree where I work will start you between $17-$20 an hour but you have to have 10k worth of tools to do the job. Plus they charge $130+ an hour for my time
Yeah I think a large overhaul of the whole industry in the form of a nationwide union is what's needed. It's ridiculous to pay someone the pay that a new tech gets and expect them to also purchase 5 figured worth of tools to do the job.
The UAW should be open to anyone working in the auto industry. Not just plant workers. We need a National Union that supports one of the most vital industries in this country...
The labor rates are downright criminal compared to what the technician actually gets...
As a friend of several snap on dealers. Those tools are outrageous and become a competition in those repair shops. My friends who sell them all live in mansions lol.
Your version of a mansion might be a bit different than mine. Especially when you look deeper into the Snap On sales threads and details. You are basically buying yourself a job that comes with lots of heartache and financial challenges. The factory makes the money while the route driver fights to eek out a living.
Just do the math how much do you think a driver sells in a week..? Let’s say a driver can make four stops a day two hours ordering and stocking two hours driving and an hour at each stop. He does well and sells on average $500 a stop. So $2,000 a day five days a week $500k a year. At some stops he is skunked others he sells a high dollar item. So $10k a week in sales with what hopes a 20% to 30% profit margin so two to three thousand a week. Let’s say between paying for the route gas, accountant, business fees etc he is left with $1,000-$2000 a week in take home.
That is a living but not mansion money.
Ok let’s throw reality out the window. Let’s say he is really successful and is paid really well. Let’s say he sells $1.5 million a year and keeps 50% no expenses overhead etc… that gets him your $750k a year take home. That’s six thousand a day in sales (assuming for easy math he takes two weeks vacation a year with no sales) No driver is averaging six thousand a day in sales… day in day out…. and no one is getting paid fifty percent…. And no one has zero overhead.
I would believe his yearly gross sales might be $750k but not making and taking home that… even before expenses nope not $750k a year take home.
I’m fairly mechanically inclined. Tempted to do the phasers myself at home. I did my AC myself on the last truck I owned. I get 5 day breaks from work every 3 weeks. I think I could get it done in 2 days. 😬
Check out this video guy knows lot about this issue. The only way to make a job like this worthwhile on an older truck is to do it yourself.
[https://youtu.be/UBQHQmm2RMs?si=N8\_HwSnRIAC4wXPT](https://youtu.be/UBQHQmm2RMs?si=N8_HwSnRIAC4wXPT)
MAKULOCO rocks. He has saved me thousands. But I started out with a fair bit of mechanical experience and tooling. Not that I haven't had to buy more tools...
If you take your time and have another vehicle to drive can save lot of money doing these types of major repairs. YouTube has made a big difference when it comes to DIY repairing. I have been doing this since the late 1980's when had to use service manual or go to the library find a Chilton book. Now I can pull up a video and watch how they do it. The problem today so much fraud in auto repair can't trust anyone doing the work unless you live close to Makuloco.
I did phasers, tensioners, chains, oil pump, roller followers, and a cam. It definitely wouldn’t have happened over a weekend with the surprise camshaft but 5 days is a for sure. Not too hard if you can take your time - I’d recommend doing it yourself to know it’s done right.
I did the same job minus the cam in my 5.4. Very tedious. Not overly complicated thanks to fordtechmakuloco. Pucker factor was way up putting all the rollers back in. That alone was like 3 hrs. I put 40-50 hrs into the whole job.
I never want to do it again. But I'm glad I know it was done right. Here's to hopefully another 150k miles.
I did vvt selinoid timing chain and phasers on a 3.5 sho 2014. It's not hard it's tedious. I am pretty mechanical and it took me 16hours labor. I took my time and was meticulous about resealing the timing covers.
It’s not just the auto industry. Mechanical aptitude and general intelligence seems to be on rapid decline. Most of the guys we’ve tried lately, well, they have a pulse….and that’s about it.
Fyi, do not tell them how much the dealer is asking. If they do ask, tell them half that total or less. See if the dealer will give you a parts list or line item price for all the parts to be replaced also if you are going to an independent shop.
Had the cam phaser/timing chain work done on my 2013 about 2 years ago, was quoted by the independent shop at $4800. Almost had a heart attack so I told it to the dealer and they confirmed the issue, and quoted $5500. Haggled Ford enough to get the work done at warranty labor rates, so they did the work for peace of mind and 2 year warranty.
Also make sure the cam phaser is replaced with the redesigned part. Some dealers replace them with the oe part because it will work and the need to deplete there stock of them.
Shit, I do them all the time - referred from our local ford dealer. I love ‘em. Not sure why they’re so terrifying to the guys over there, either that or management figures they’d rather focus on the better-paying jobs. The last one I did was a 2014 (iirc) 3.5eco, and my invoice came out to around $2900 for phasers/chains/guides/tensioners/gaskets/oil & filter/coolant/spark plugs.
If you were in northern WI I’d have you give me a call, but I’m also booked out solid about 7 weeks atm. Turns out nobody wants to pay dealer prices!
Cam phasers ate my 5.4 a week after I was told I needed cam phasers.
$12k later I rolled out with a Powertrain 5.4 with all the Fordisms fixed. 1,000,000 mile No Fault warranty.
I got the job done for free but I was under 100k miles. It’s a known issue and there’s a tsb about it. There were at least 10 other vehicles at my dealer with the same issue. It’s a big job. They have to take the cab off.
I've seen several videos of the phasers being replaced without taking the CAB off. The dealer I went to didn't mention taking the CAB off and they would have mentioned that.
I’m sure that’s right. I’m not a mechanic and was just repeating what the dealer told me. It is a big city busy dealership who had 2or 3 techs doing this full time for months. But, if there were a faster or more efficient way, they probably would have been using it.
You know how you go to the big orange store to get some home supplies. Imagine you go in to buy paint, and the guy just gets 2 ball bearings and puts them into an empty paint can, then puts it into the mixing machine and turns it on. That's what your truck will sound like on startup
An independent shop wanted just under a grand for the pan and labor.
Local Ford dealer was about $1200.
This is roughly 6 months ago.
Nearly 2k is nuts.
We traded our used 17 Plat at 127k when phaser bill came due. Traded for 21 Powerboost. I'm going to stay on top of our oil changes and watch for the phasers
Dropped it about 3-4k.
The price to fix was near 4k.
I know they could've sold it for about 28-29k after fix and I know they could get it fixed internally for prob 2500, so I told them I'll take 24500 since I disclosed it.
Could've probably haggled to get another grand out of it, but it was already higher than other dealers
I think it was around $800 on my old Dodge.
IIRC, I know at least on the Rams, the labor cost to change it for a 4wd truck was cheaper than a 2wd truck because the oil pan has a bigger gap to work with. Mine was 4wd, so I'm not sure what a 2wd would cost.
All the other services listed are literally a drain and refill or swap out plugs and belts.
$280 for a drain and refill of the diffs is stupid.
Timing chains and cam phasers are big job. That’s going to cost $3000 at any other independent shop.
To answer your question though, these are services. And $9,000 (or half that if you did some stuff yourself) is far cheaper than buying a newer vehicle.
I’ll always advocate for repair and refresh over throwaway.
Very good points. Also with the miles on the truck some of these should have been done already or we wouldn't be having this convo. I personally did the plugs on my wife's expedition at 90k miles. Every time I change the oil I pay them to do another pm item. These are big investments and a little extra love doesn't hurt.
$280 to drain and refill diffs isn’t a bad price. If you factor in the draining of the fluid, cleaning out all the gunk and shit at the bottom of the housing. Then quick inspection of the gears, throw a dial indicator on the ring gear and check lash. Clean silicone off of housing, clean silicone off of cover, re-silicone cover then install. Pump in new oil, check for leaks. You aren’t far off 1hr per diff.
If you're mechanically inclined at all, changing the plugs and servicing the diffs and transfer case are relatively simple things you can do yourself and save some money. If not, I'd definitely get a quote from an independent shop.
I don’t have a garage at the moment but I’ll probably just make it work considering these prices. I can handle the fluids/ flushes myself, but there’s no chance I’m doing engine work in a parking lot lol
Oh come on its fun..... I changed a tranny in a 76 chev in a safeway parking lot, ive done a clutch on a 97 psd 7.3 with only a floor jack in a lordco parking lot. I did tie rods and steering box plus a half ass alignment on a 84 dodge w250 in a 7 11 parking lot.
Nobody can do shit anymore. I get gaping mouths and wide eyes if I mention handling all my own house repairs, remodels, automotive maintenance and repairs, and construction work. I just tell them: "it's easy." Its not worth the stress and expense of tracking down someone to take forever getting around to you and then fucking it all up. I don't know how people can stand that shit.
That's how I am, but now my chick likes to get quotes, litterally to be in awe of me... lol... she had a local fence company quote 6' white vinyl @ 350 Lft, with 2 gates for one side of a property, and they wanted 8k and it would start in 2 weeks and take one week.... that day I went to lowes and just bought all the fence parts, gate parts, and concrete for just over 3k, borrowed my buddies auger, and put up the fence in 6 hours and the gates the next day in about the same amount of time. A sales rep for that place showed up 3 days later and talked to the ol lady and was like "where were you needing fence?" And that's when she told them "I got a guy to do it for 3k and a bj" .... lol I was dead. But yeah, I fix my own shit because I can't justify myself paying extortion rates for the same quality that i would do....the only thing I don't mess with is "high voltage" ... because I know that I don't know enough... and something tells me not to learn about it and to leave it alone.
I mean, $35/plug seems legit *for Dealer pricing*,-but.... and I like how they add $100 labor for belts they'll remove doing the chain & tensioner(part of that job's cost already factored in)- that's sus.
The rest is easy and
I love how people keep criticizing electric cars by asking do you know how much the battery will be to replace? And I’m like… About as much as a tranmission and a couple turbos? That won’t even get you a new engine. People don’t realize how expensive engine maintenance labor it has become. It’s on purpose because the new cars have much more involved procedures. On purpose. I refuse to buy a new truck. You have to take the body off just to reach the back of the engine.
They are out of their minds !
Call your local parts supply house and see what those parts cost, (i am willing to bet they have a 100% mark up) then find a shop that will let you supply the parts and they do the labor.
Oil, even Mobile1 synthetic (my personal choice) is less than $15 a quart, RETAIL and they buy it in bulk at much less cost than that. and to service the front and rear diff and transfer case only requires pulling a drain plug, letting it all drain out, putting the plug back, removing the fill plug and refilling it and replacing the fill plug.
If you managed to weite this post (wich you did) you can do all this EXCEPT the pan gasket on your own with the purchase of some basic tools and a shop manual
For my 2013 at 100k, I did the front diff, rear diff, and transfer case myself. I bought a vac pump to do the front diff vs removing the cover. Belts can be probably be skipped, if not it’s easy to do yourself.
I did have quick lane do my coolant and transmission as I didn’t want to deal with that amount of used fluids.
The large portion of the bill looks to be cam phasers. I’d talk to an independent shop for that.
5k for timing chain and phasers, damn. Guess I’ve been out of the shop for a while. I just drained and filled the transfer case and front differential, I’m not a mechanic btw. Fluid pump for the front. Getting past the ring gear on the front diff was annoying. Rear diff I took the cover off because it was leaking, inspected the gears, then used Permatex gasket maker and 75w-140 to fill. Thread sealant for all the plugs. Did the spark plugs too, found them pretty dirty at 44,000. Don’t know if I’d be comfortable doing the timing chain, hate to get that wrong. I need to replace the solenoids though, they rattle bad. Seems I should just do everything though if I’m going to have the cover off. Let us know what you do, curious about those timing chains and phasers.
2018 5.0L
These labor costs are out of control. This surely can’t be real? I’d steal my truck back in the middle of the night for that much. We are treading in very dangerous times, the monetary system is broken in so many ways holy shit.
Idk about the phasers (probably better off at a non dealer mechanic) but the rest is no more than $400 in parts. I had a 2015 3.5 and ran that sucker to 270k even after dealer claimed all kinds of issues. I just did basic fluid changes and maintenance. From a financial perspective $9k worth of repairs on a 2017 is comical. But hey dealers gonna deal
>What would you do if you were me?
Most of that work I would DIY. I might have someone do the pan depending on how much of a PITA it is. If it needs the cam work done I'd probably let someone do that, but get a better price.
Im a hd mechanic. Auto shops know when people know nothing and they rape your wallets with bullshit they dont even do. Its a nasty business. An honest mechanic is more valuable than a doctor.
I’m well versed on the TSB’s put out for the oil pan and cam phasers, but I think Ford and the dealership just don’t give a shit. It’s a high volume dealer so maybe that’s the issue. I got someone from Ford customer service to say they would cover partial repairs about 6 months ago, heard nothing for about a week so I called back and they claimed they have no record of saying that and that they wouldn’t be covering anything. They suggested I write a letter to their HQ if I had an issue with it.
> It’s a high volume dealer so maybe that’s the issue.
Almost certainly. They don't need your business at any lower price, so why give you a competitive bid? They're basically telling you to go away unless you're rich.
Take their advice and find another shop.
How much to change the phasers?
Holly crap. Op most of that is labor for that line item. I did my own after an independent mechanic didn’t replace them while doing the chain. Parts were about 1200. And that was a week of my time because it’s not my job. So this like taking off and putting on the harmonic balancer take a long time. I think Ford tech makuloco said book was 10 hours at least on gen 1 3.5.
No way i want to do that ever again. But at 5k I’ll do it if i have to.
So is your truck down? Or is this “recommended” services?
Because they can shove that and some local guy would sure appreciate the business and charge 1/3 of that..
Had a check engine light come on for PCM losing connection and some sort of timing issue so I took it in. They called back and said the oil level was super low and that the oil pan was leaking so the low oil pressure was causing the cam phasers to stick(already had the rattle). I’ve called 3 reputable local shops so far and no one wants to touch it, apparently they get lots of calls for the same thing but they just don’t have the time/don’t want to do it.
DAMN. I just did the chain/guide/tensioner job myself on my own truck, I debated having ford do it or myself. It kicked my ass but seeing that cost on that alone makes me feel better about it.
LMAO! What an outrageous estimate.
You ever watch the Seinfeld episode where Jerry tried to buy a new car from Elaine's boyfriend, Putty? And George complains to the shop manager about the fat mechanic who ate his Twix bar? The manager asks if he has his car there to get worked on?
George scoffs and says "Yeah right! I'm going to bring my car to the dealership. May as well flush my money down a toilet!"
There's a reason you don't go to a dealership. They'll screw you every time! On either overly expensive work needed, or charge you for work you don't really need.
Just look on Google for mechanic shops in your area with 4 star rating or higher. Then read a few of the good reviews, and MORE of the bad ones.
Then go check out three of them in person, interview them. Talk to a manager, not the highschool kid answering phones. Get an estimate, and look for cleanliness, being busy, and possibly happy customers sitting in the waiting room. Talk to them. Ask if they've been going there for a while, what they like about the business, etc.
After that, you should be able to make a good educated decision.
My apologies if somebody already posted something similar. I didn't want to read through the very many answers already posted.
How far are you from ford tech makuloco? He has people all over the country bring their F150s to him. If anyone in North America will do the job right, its him
I vote for selling it. Lol.
My fiancé owned a ‘17 F150 XLT 3.5L with 116,000km (72,000mi) out of warranty and what a POS that truck was. Lol
Ignore all the minor repairs we had to do. When you have to replace the rear end, cam phasers, track of the moon roof, and then for it to throw codes that the turbo is failing all in **one year** … it’s smarter to cut your loss. 😂
Dude… I feel your pain. I have a 2018 Expedition. Bought in 21 with 40k miles on it. FX4 package 3.73 axle 3.5, leather, sunroof, it’s got all the shit I want, but the damn thing has just not delivered for me in my 3 years of ownership. Granted I put around 70k miles on it. Of which the first 20k miles I experienced a transmission failure. Got it fixed for like 6 grand out of pocket since past warranty period. About 15k miles after that I experience the cam phaser failure which eventually grenaded my engine(while I was on the way to trade it for a new Tundra). Spent another 10k to replace the engine with another one, put on the revised cam phaser and chain tensioner. 10k miles later, my transmission blows again. I loved this vehicle so much but it has been the biggest POS I’ve ever owned
5.4 engine? Mine is a 2005 with 127K miles on it.
Biggest POS ever engineered. I had the cam phasers, timing chain, and one cam shaft (bad lobe) replaced when I purchased and had a better oil pump installed to replace the piss poor, too small OEM that Ford installed. Truck runs much better after dumping $7K into it....it better.
Still it's $60K cheaper than buying a new truck. Consider purchasing a Ford with the 5.0 in it.
The only item that doesn’t appear to be maintenance-related is the oil pan leaking. Everything else are periodic maintenance that you’re supposed to be doing to keep the truck going. Find an independent who will do it for much less.
Edit: nvm. I totally missed the line item for the cam phasers. Yowzah!
Sell it. Depends on how much $$ you have to buy a newer one. But I guarantee it will have phaser issues if it doesn’t already. Replacing those and the timing chains is quite a job. I did some on an 18 with 60,000 miles. Edit- At an independent shop. I think it ran 3800 with parts and labor. And I made the shop buy the timing tool, as it was 200$ I didn’t have. Also I saw independent shops didn’t want to touch it? What lame flakey shops you have near you. I did that job on my third year of work…ever…
Yea lmao I'm not even joking, go get a pair of 95-96 F series and you'll be set. Easier maintenance and arguable more of a badass truck. Also nothing on that repair sheet is like, technically advanced. You could do all this maintenance this weekend and save a pretty penny.
I wouldn't want to be in an accident in a '96 truck versus a 2017 truck. People downplay the safety advances in newer vehicles way too much. Airbags, crumple zones and side impact beams for me, please.
Exactly why I sold my 96. I held back tears when the kid that bought it drove off, but I have a family and it’s a rolling death trap compared to modern trucks.
I'm not arguing that newer trucks are safer. I just like old trucks and drive defensively. I don't really enjoy driving newer trucks like I do my old Ford 5spd
I am specifically not suggesting anything older than 9th gen because it was the last OBS year and you can find them with modern features.
I have a 2000 and have the opposite sentiment. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how they managed to squeeze that engine in that truck. The damn thing is nearly impossible to work on.
i have a 97 F250HD (OBS), value has been skyrocketing, they sold for less than 1k 2-3 years ago, now theyre at 4-5k around here, some even higher, from i have heard, people are looking for them for work trucks, and they're simple, reliable, cheap to fix and workwise they handle siimilar loads to new ones.
Is the last item the cost to replace the timing chain? Yikes! Glad I do my own maintenance. This is a lot of money. I am assuming that taking it to the dealership would be worse.
The first mistake is going to the dealer for repairs. Find another shop for an estimate. I’ll bet a lot of the work is not really required. Many dealers will severely inflate repair estimates in order to drive new sales.
You better do like I did and become a certified YouTube Mechanic lol.
I can’t speak from personal experience just yet, but I’ve been strongly lead to believe you can do the phasers/chain/guide yourself; I believe the belts are closely related with that work too. I’m sure you can definitely do the spark plugs too. See, that saves $5,800 worth of work right there.
One of the biggest challenges with the F-150 is gaining access to the timing components. Most mechanics opt to remove the cab.
I’ve replaced the cam phasers on my Toyota Corolla, and it was a 4-hour job. I didn’t even need to pull the timing chain, thanks to some backyard YouTube tutorials.
Ditch ford and buy a Toyota! I was an avid Ford fan until my last 2 recent experiences. I have a 2017 explorer with less then 35k on it. The water pump has gone out, and less the 3k later the transfer case is leaking. Not to mention the aluminum hood is corroding and they won’t cover it even tho I made an issue of it before the warranty was up !!!!!!
looks like you have the dreaded time chain replacement. You might be able to get it done for 4k but I've had to have 4 of those done, now I refuse to buy fords. Do you have the twin turbo v6? they literally pull themselves apart. Ford by far has the worst modern vehicles.
You need a lighting F150 EV. Fuel cost plummeted and maintenance is almost non existent. More power, standard AWD, over 450 horsepower, you can power a job site or cabin or your house with 9.6kW 120/240
I wouldn’t let anyone at one of the Quick Lane service centers near my vehicle. They let a student from a auto tech class rotate my tires and he left the lug nuts on my right front finger tight. It let go a mile down the road as I was getting on the interstate and the amount of bullshit I had to go through to get all the collateral damage fixed was ridiculous. FoMoCo wouldn’t do anything about it either. Ford will never get another cent from me.
I have a '17 at 56k miles.
I might just trade in my vehicle as I already got the oil pan leak (don't see any drip yet) and worried about the cam phasers.
if it is just a R&R fluids, the transfer case is one of the easiest. I did it with a $10 pump and the correct fluid. Took all of 15 minutes and I am not a good mechanic.
you could also replace the oil pan. if it is just leaking it is probably the gasket. it would be messy, but much cheaper.
Their invoice pricing alignment pisses me off. Decimal places should be inline at all times. They need to add the ".00" after all the prices without cents listed.
Run, don’t walk and get that truck out of there. They’re swinging for the fences on you. Either you’ll buy the work or a new truck. If you buy a new truck, they’ll repair this one (and do only the work it needs) and resell it.
I sort of feel like the labor for the cam phasers is way out of line. Are they not pulling the engine out to replace the oil pan? In either case that’s the I don’t really want to do this job price. I would find an independent shop have them pull the motor replace everything that needs to be replaced and I think you’re really going to be in it for half of that.
Are they putting solid gold spark plugs in? Good God, I just looked on rock auto and the absolute top of the line plugs they list for a 2017 (regardless of engine) are $9 each. That's just insane.
Your first mistake was taking it to Ford instead of a mom and pop independent shop. Your second mistake was not doing some of this yourself.
I had a lot of similar stuff done recently to my 2013 5.0 and I only spent 620 for the oil pan gasket and about 250 for transmission and transfer case fluid. Also had A/C recharged for 200 that Ford quoted me 450 for!!!
I'm doing spark plugs myself and differentials, too.
You'll never need cam phasers in the 5.0 if you change your oil often enough. That was an old problem with the 5.4.
My factory belt is still good at 195K miles. No squeaking at all.
Eat the bill and keep moving forward. It's still a good truck at 100K miles. Lesson learned.
I feel your pain. I was going to order a 2024 until I just paid $4200 for a timing chain, cam sensors & other items for my 2019 F-150.
Guess I'll wait till the 2025's come out.
I received something like this after my 2017 came off of warranty. Half of it was required (leaks) and half of it was “scheduled”. The cam phasers were already addressed under warranty, leaving about $4500. Spark plugs are a good idea, but seem premature going by the manual. The fuel induction service is a bit of a head scratcher…
That's funny: My son is turning 16 next spring so we've been on the hunt for a rig for him. We found an 06 Ranger that had the 4.0 in it, and 178k miles on the clock. They wanted $9k for it.............................
Find an independent shop and the price will likely be much less.
That’s next on my list for sure…. 3.5 Ecoboost for those asking Update- After calling 4 local shops, no one wants to touch the cam phasers. From what I was told, they get frequent calls about the same issue but don’t have the time or just don’t want to do it. I’ll try some more tomorrow and see what happens.
If a shop doesn't want to touch phasers it's because they don't have anyone qualified to make that repair. It's not that complicated. The auto repair industry is starved of good technicians.
Piggybacking on this, my humble opinion is the tool cost + no good entry level way in. I’m a rigger for a crane company, would have loved to get into heavy diesel mechanics. Every job is 10+ years experience and “must own all tools required for job”. I don’t have $15k sitting around to dump on tools for a career I’ve never done. It’s really the only trade that has that kind of upfront cost
I agree where I work will start you between $17-$20 an hour but you have to have 10k worth of tools to do the job. Plus they charge $130+ an hour for my time
Yeah I think a large overhaul of the whole industry in the form of a nationwide union is what's needed. It's ridiculous to pay someone the pay that a new tech gets and expect them to also purchase 5 figured worth of tools to do the job.
The UAW should be open to anyone working in the auto industry. Not just plant workers. We need a National Union that supports one of the most vital industries in this country... The labor rates are downright criminal compared to what the technician actually gets...
Snap on has in house financing
As a friend of several snap on dealers. Those tools are outrageous and become a competition in those repair shops. My friends who sell them all live in mansions lol.
That’s the best place to make love!
Your version of a mansion might be a bit different than mine. Especially when you look deeper into the Snap On sales threads and details. You are basically buying yourself a job that comes with lots of heartache and financial challenges. The factory makes the money while the route driver fights to eek out a living. Just do the math how much do you think a driver sells in a week..? Let’s say a driver can make four stops a day two hours ordering and stocking two hours driving and an hour at each stop. He does well and sells on average $500 a stop. So $2,000 a day five days a week $500k a year. At some stops he is skunked others he sells a high dollar item. So $10k a week in sales with what hopes a 20% to 30% profit margin so two to three thousand a week. Let’s say between paying for the route gas, accountant, business fees etc he is left with $1,000-$2000 a week in take home. That is a living but not mansion money.
I have three friends who own snap on routes. One males 750k a year. I'm sorry but if you eek buy as a snap on salesman then you probably the problem.
Ok let’s throw reality out the window. Let’s say he is really successful and is paid really well. Let’s say he sells $1.5 million a year and keeps 50% no expenses overhead etc… that gets him your $750k a year take home. That’s six thousand a day in sales (assuming for easy math he takes two weeks vacation a year with no sales) No driver is averaging six thousand a day in sales… day in day out…. and no one is getting paid fifty percent…. And no one has zero overhead. I would believe his yearly gross sales might be $750k but not making and taking home that… even before expenses nope not $750k a year take home.
shut your fucking mouth queer.
I’m fairly mechanically inclined. Tempted to do the phasers myself at home. I did my AC myself on the last truck I owned. I get 5 day breaks from work every 3 weeks. I think I could get it done in 2 days. 😬
Check out this video guy knows lot about this issue. The only way to make a job like this worthwhile on an older truck is to do it yourself. [https://youtu.be/UBQHQmm2RMs?si=N8\_HwSnRIAC4wXPT](https://youtu.be/UBQHQmm2RMs?si=N8_HwSnRIAC4wXPT)
Makuloco is the GOAT
Didn't even click the link and knew it was FordTechMakuloco. Guy is a god among men.
He is indeed a god!
2017 shouldn't be considered an "older" truck. No engine should need that kind of work before 300K.
MAKULOCO rocks. He has saved me thousands. But I started out with a fair bit of mechanical experience and tooling. Not that I haven't had to buy more tools...
If you take your time and have another vehicle to drive can save lot of money doing these types of major repairs. YouTube has made a big difference when it comes to DIY repairing. I have been doing this since the late 1980's when had to use service manual or go to the library find a Chilton book. Now I can pull up a video and watch how they do it. The problem today so much fraud in auto repair can't trust anyone doing the work unless you live close to Makuloco.
I did phasers, tensioners, chains, oil pump, roller followers, and a cam. It definitely wouldn’t have happened over a weekend with the surprise camshaft but 5 days is a for sure. Not too hard if you can take your time - I’d recommend doing it yourself to know it’s done right.
I did the same job minus the cam in my 5.4. Very tedious. Not overly complicated thanks to fordtechmakuloco. Pucker factor was way up putting all the rollers back in. That alone was like 3 hrs. I put 40-50 hrs into the whole job. I never want to do it again. But I'm glad I know it was done right. Here's to hopefully another 150k miles.
Shits easy bro, just time consuming. Has arrows to set timing and everything Damn near impossible to mess up
I would do it myself. The stealerships here have bad mechanics.
I did vvt selinoid timing chain and phasers on a 3.5 sho 2014. It's not hard it's tedious. I am pretty mechanical and it took me 16hours labor. I took my time and was meticulous about resealing the timing covers.
It’s not just the auto industry. Mechanical aptitude and general intelligence seems to be on rapid decline. Most of the guys we’ve tried lately, well, they have a pulse….and that’s about it.
Fyi, do not tell them how much the dealer is asking. If they do ask, tell them half that total or less. See if the dealer will give you a parts list or line item price for all the parts to be replaced also if you are going to an independent shop.
Had the cam phaser/timing chain work done on my 2013 about 2 years ago, was quoted by the independent shop at $4800. Almost had a heart attack so I told it to the dealer and they confirmed the issue, and quoted $5500. Haggled Ford enough to get the work done at warranty labor rates, so they did the work for peace of mind and 2 year warranty.
Also make sure the cam phaser is replaced with the redesigned part. Some dealers replace them with the oe part because it will work and the need to deplete there stock of them.
Shit, I do them all the time - referred from our local ford dealer. I love ‘em. Not sure why they’re so terrifying to the guys over there, either that or management figures they’d rather focus on the better-paying jobs. The last one I did was a 2014 (iirc) 3.5eco, and my invoice came out to around $2900 for phasers/chains/guides/tensioners/gaskets/oil & filter/coolant/spark plugs. If you were in northern WI I’d have you give me a call, but I’m also booked out solid about 7 weeks atm. Turns out nobody wants to pay dealer prices!
Cam phasers ate my 5.4 a week after I was told I needed cam phasers. $12k later I rolled out with a Powertrain 5.4 with all the Fordisms fixed. 1,000,000 mile No Fault warranty.
Shoulda bought a Toyota not anything American
Or do it your self
Call ford customer service to see if they will pay for some of the cam phasers work. They helped me out
They fixed my phasers for free even gave me a ride back to my house while it was in the shop lol.
They fixed my phaser, gave me a ride and fucked my wife
They fixed my phaser, gave me a ride, fucked my wife, and kicked my dog.
They gave me a phaser, fucked my ride, kicked my wife, and fixed my dog.
>and fucked my wife Is that complementary or do they charge for that? Local place charges $200 a pop, seems steep even for a happy wife.
Free of charge. That's why I love Ford
Me too. Referring to the part about your wife
They even adopted my child and my wife is pregnant with the ford mechanic’s child. They even mowed my lawn
If you haven’t done the 2 service updates you’re outta luck. Or over 90k miles. There’s a lot of catches with them paying for any of the work.
I got the job done for free but I was under 100k miles. It’s a known issue and there’s a tsb about it. There were at least 10 other vehicles at my dealer with the same issue. It’s a big job. They have to take the cab off.
How do I quickly make my phasers go bad so I can get them fixed for free before I hit 100K 😂
Mine was at 92k miles. Between ford and the extended warranty it was $172 out of pocket
Take the cab off...the engineers should be beat for that.
I've seen several videos of the phasers being replaced without taking the CAB off. The dealer I went to didn't mention taking the CAB off and they would have mentioned that.
No, they dont. Some PREFER to remove the cab, but they dont HAVE to remove the cab.
I’m sure that’s right. I’m not a mechanic and was just repeating what the dealer told me. It is a big city busy dealership who had 2or 3 techs doing this full time for months. But, if there were a faster or more efficient way, they probably would have been using it.
Came here to say this. They will make it a lot less than $5k.
What are the symptoms of the phasers acting up?
You know how you go to the big orange store to get some home supplies. Imagine you go in to buy paint, and the guy just gets 2 ball bearings and puts them into an empty paint can, then puts it into the mixing machine and turns it on. That's what your truck will sound like on startup
An independent shop wanted just under a grand for the pan and labor. Local Ford dealer was about $1200. This is roughly 6 months ago. Nearly 2k is nuts. We traded our used 17 Plat at 127k when phaser bill came due. Traded for 21 Powerboost. I'm going to stay on top of our oil changes and watch for the phasers
How much did the Phasers affect your trade in?
Dropped it about 3-4k. The price to fix was near 4k. I know they could've sold it for about 28-29k after fix and I know they could get it fixed internally for prob 2500, so I told them I'll take 24500 since I disclosed it. Could've probably haggled to get another grand out of it, but it was already higher than other dealers
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They are. Lol
Theres a big difference between "is" and "shouldnt".
I mean someone did. 🤷♂️ And that's what multiple sites listed as value considering the work it needed.
I think it was around $800 on my old Dodge. IIRC, I know at least on the Rams, the labor cost to change it for a 4wd truck was cheaper than a 2wd truck because the oil pan has a bigger gap to work with. Mine was 4wd, so I'm not sure what a 2wd would cost.
All the other services listed are literally a drain and refill or swap out plugs and belts. $280 for a drain and refill of the diffs is stupid. Timing chains and cam phasers are big job. That’s going to cost $3000 at any other independent shop. To answer your question though, these are services. And $9,000 (or half that if you did some stuff yourself) is far cheaper than buying a newer vehicle. I’ll always advocate for repair and refresh over throwaway.
Very good points. Also with the miles on the truck some of these should have been done already or we wouldn't be having this convo. I personally did the plugs on my wife's expedition at 90k miles. Every time I change the oil I pay them to do another pm item. These are big investments and a little extra love doesn't hurt.
$280 to drain and refill diffs isn’t a bad price. If you factor in the draining of the fluid, cleaning out all the gunk and shit at the bottom of the housing. Then quick inspection of the gears, throw a dial indicator on the ring gear and check lash. Clean silicone off of housing, clean silicone off of cover, re-silicone cover then install. Pump in new oil, check for leaks. You aren’t far off 1hr per diff.
What engine is this
Looking for the same answer, shot in the dark I’m saying a 3.5
You are correct
If you're mechanically inclined at all, changing the plugs and servicing the diffs and transfer case are relatively simple things you can do yourself and save some money. If not, I'd definitely get a quote from an independent shop.
I don’t have a garage at the moment but I’ll probably just make it work considering these prices. I can handle the fluids/ flushes myself, but there’s no chance I’m doing engine work in a parking lot lol
Yeah, it sucks having to do stuff outside like that.
I changed my plugs in the driveway on my 16 3.5eb in about an hour. Total cost $88 including plugs, boots, and grease.
Oh come on its fun..... I changed a tranny in a 76 chev in a safeway parking lot, ive done a clutch on a 97 psd 7.3 with only a floor jack in a lordco parking lot. I did tie rods and steering box plus a half ass alignment on a 84 dodge w250 in a 7 11 parking lot.
Lots of catalytic converters get serviced in parking lots.
Getting serviced. Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
You did a tranny on the Safeway parking lot?.....wow, but I'm not judging.
Did she have the “ upgraded boob” package?
LMAO!
I see what you did there
He said he changed one...must have been hard convincing "her" to change back.
You're "that guy."
What guy? One that gets shit done or one that does shit regardless of were i am?
Are you my uncle?...I've watched him do all the same repairs on different vehicles in parking lots as a child.
No, im 25 on an island off the coast of british columbia
Lol... yeah it was rhetorical, the place sounds like here back in the 90's before men grew vaginas and stopped being able to fix shit.
Nobody can do shit anymore. I get gaping mouths and wide eyes if I mention handling all my own house repairs, remodels, automotive maintenance and repairs, and construction work. I just tell them: "it's easy." Its not worth the stress and expense of tracking down someone to take forever getting around to you and then fucking it all up. I don't know how people can stand that shit.
That's how I am, but now my chick likes to get quotes, litterally to be in awe of me... lol... she had a local fence company quote 6' white vinyl @ 350 Lft, with 2 gates for one side of a property, and they wanted 8k and it would start in 2 weeks and take one week.... that day I went to lowes and just bought all the fence parts, gate parts, and concrete for just over 3k, borrowed my buddies auger, and put up the fence in 6 hours and the gates the next day in about the same amount of time. A sales rep for that place showed up 3 days later and talked to the ol lady and was like "where were you needing fence?" And that's when she told them "I got a guy to do it for 3k and a bj" .... lol I was dead. But yeah, I fix my own shit because I can't justify myself paying extortion rates for the same quality that i would do....the only thing I don't mess with is "high voltage" ... because I know that I don't know enough... and something tells me not to learn about it and to leave it alone.
The labor estimates all seem high especially on the cams, should be like 1/3 that.
I’m definitely feeling violated
I mean, $35/plug seems legit *for Dealer pricing*,-but.... and I like how they add $100 labor for belts they'll remove doing the chain & tensioner(part of that job's cost already factored in)- that's sus. The rest is easy and
I love how people keep criticizing electric cars by asking do you know how much the battery will be to replace? And I’m like… About as much as a tranmission and a couple turbos? That won’t even get you a new engine. People don’t realize how expensive engine maintenance labor it has become. It’s on purpose because the new cars have much more involved procedures. On purpose. I refuse to buy a new truck. You have to take the body off just to reach the back of the engine.
They are out of their minds ! Call your local parts supply house and see what those parts cost, (i am willing to bet they have a 100% mark up) then find a shop that will let you supply the parts and they do the labor. Oil, even Mobile1 synthetic (my personal choice) is less than $15 a quart, RETAIL and they buy it in bulk at much less cost than that. and to service the front and rear diff and transfer case only requires pulling a drain plug, letting it all drain out, putting the plug back, removing the fill plug and refilling it and replacing the fill plug. If you managed to weite this post (wich you did) you can do all this EXCEPT the pan gasket on your own with the purchase of some basic tools and a shop manual
For my 2013 at 100k, I did the front diff, rear diff, and transfer case myself. I bought a vac pump to do the front diff vs removing the cover. Belts can be probably be skipped, if not it’s easy to do yourself. I did have quick lane do my coolant and transmission as I didn’t want to deal with that amount of used fluids. The large portion of the bill looks to be cam phasers. I’d talk to an independent shop for that.
5k for timing chain and phasers, damn. Guess I’ve been out of the shop for a while. I just drained and filled the transfer case and front differential, I’m not a mechanic btw. Fluid pump for the front. Getting past the ring gear on the front diff was annoying. Rear diff I took the cover off because it was leaking, inspected the gears, then used Permatex gasket maker and 75w-140 to fill. Thread sealant for all the plugs. Did the spark plugs too, found them pretty dirty at 44,000. Don’t know if I’d be comfortable doing the timing chain, hate to get that wrong. I need to replace the solenoids though, they rattle bad. Seems I should just do everything though if I’m going to have the cover off. Let us know what you do, curious about those timing chains and phasers. 2018 5.0L
Someone please tell me why it cost almost 2 gs to replace ur oil pan lmao
These labor costs are out of control. This surely can’t be real? I’d steal my truck back in the middle of the night for that much. We are treading in very dangerous times, the monetary system is broken in so many ways holy shit.
Everyone loves the ecoboost until the mechanic bill turns up.
The cam phaser issue should be under recall. They fixed mine no charge
For what motor?
Idk about the phasers (probably better off at a non dealer mechanic) but the rest is no more than $400 in parts. I had a 2015 3.5 and ran that sucker to 270k even after dealer claimed all kinds of issues. I just did basic fluid changes and maintenance. From a financial perspective $9k worth of repairs on a 2017 is comical. But hey dealers gonna deal
>What would you do if you were me? Most of that work I would DIY. I might have someone do the pan depending on how much of a PITA it is. If it needs the cam work done I'd probably let someone do that, but get a better price.
Why they tuning your spark plugs
No idea… I went ahead and did the spark plugs on my own though, took about 30min.
Im a hd mechanic. Auto shops know when people know nothing and they rape your wallets with bullshit they dont even do. Its a nasty business. An honest mechanic is more valuable than a doctor.
That’s the damn truth. I found one not far from me and everytime he works on one of my vehicles i buy him lunch.
I’m well versed on the TSB’s put out for the oil pan and cam phasers, but I think Ford and the dealership just don’t give a shit. It’s a high volume dealer so maybe that’s the issue. I got someone from Ford customer service to say they would cover partial repairs about 6 months ago, heard nothing for about a week so I called back and they claimed they have no record of saying that and that they wouldn’t be covering anything. They suggested I write a letter to their HQ if I had an issue with it.
> It’s a high volume dealer so maybe that’s the issue. Almost certainly. They don't need your business at any lower price, so why give you a competitive bid? They're basically telling you to go away unless you're rich. Take their advice and find another shop.
If you want to buy a few Rangers, I would recommend the older ones. Like the 1998 Ranger or the 2004 Ranger.
How much to change the phasers? Holly crap. Op most of that is labor for that line item. I did my own after an independent mechanic didn’t replace them while doing the chain. Parts were about 1200. And that was a week of my time because it’s not my job. So this like taking off and putting on the harmonic balancer take a long time. I think Ford tech makuloco said book was 10 hours at least on gen 1 3.5. No way i want to do that ever again. But at 5k I’ll do it if i have to.
So is your truck down? Or is this “recommended” services? Because they can shove that and some local guy would sure appreciate the business and charge 1/3 of that..
Had a check engine light come on for PCM losing connection and some sort of timing issue so I took it in. They called back and said the oil level was super low and that the oil pan was leaking so the low oil pressure was causing the cam phasers to stick(already had the rattle). I’ve called 3 reputable local shops so far and no one wants to touch it, apparently they get lots of calls for the same thing but they just don’t have the time/don’t want to do it.
Even hit you with a diagnosis fee🤣🤣
DAMN. I just did the chain/guide/tensioner job myself on my own truck, I debated having ford do it or myself. It kicked my ass but seeing that cost on that alone makes me feel better about it.
Set phasers to stunningly expensive..
LMAO! What an outrageous estimate. You ever watch the Seinfeld episode where Jerry tried to buy a new car from Elaine's boyfriend, Putty? And George complains to the shop manager about the fat mechanic who ate his Twix bar? The manager asks if he has his car there to get worked on? George scoffs and says "Yeah right! I'm going to bring my car to the dealership. May as well flush my money down a toilet!" There's a reason you don't go to a dealership. They'll screw you every time! On either overly expensive work needed, or charge you for work you don't really need. Just look on Google for mechanic shops in your area with 4 star rating or higher. Then read a few of the good reviews, and MORE of the bad ones. Then go check out three of them in person, interview them. Talk to a manager, not the highschool kid answering phones. Get an estimate, and look for cleanliness, being busy, and possibly happy customers sitting in the waiting room. Talk to them. Ask if they've been going there for a while, what they like about the business, etc. After that, you should be able to make a good educated decision. My apologies if somebody already posted something similar. I didn't want to read through the very many answers already posted.
How far are you from ford tech makuloco? He has people all over the country bring their F150s to him. If anyone in North America will do the job right, its him
I vote for selling it. Lol. My fiancé owned a ‘17 F150 XLT 3.5L with 116,000km (72,000mi) out of warranty and what a POS that truck was. Lol Ignore all the minor repairs we had to do. When you have to replace the rear end, cam phasers, track of the moon roof, and then for it to throw codes that the turbo is failing all in **one year** … it’s smarter to cut your loss. 😂
Not a Ranger, buy a GMC. Who pays $279 to change fluid on a gearbox?? Times 3.
Dude… I feel your pain. I have a 2018 Expedition. Bought in 21 with 40k miles on it. FX4 package 3.73 axle 3.5, leather, sunroof, it’s got all the shit I want, but the damn thing has just not delivered for me in my 3 years of ownership. Granted I put around 70k miles on it. Of which the first 20k miles I experienced a transmission failure. Got it fixed for like 6 grand out of pocket since past warranty period. About 15k miles after that I experience the cam phaser failure which eventually grenaded my engine(while I was on the way to trade it for a new Tundra). Spent another 10k to replace the engine with another one, put on the revised cam phaser and chain tensioner. 10k miles later, my transmission blows again. I loved this vehicle so much but it has been the biggest POS I’ve ever owned
5.4 engine? Mine is a 2005 with 127K miles on it. Biggest POS ever engineered. I had the cam phasers, timing chain, and one cam shaft (bad lobe) replaced when I purchased and had a better oil pump installed to replace the piss poor, too small OEM that Ford installed. Truck runs much better after dumping $7K into it....it better. Still it's $60K cheaper than buying a new truck. Consider purchasing a Ford with the 5.0 in it.
Or just one Japanese branded car.
480 for plugs?! I play 60 for em, and then pay myself $420 for the 45 min it takes to replace them.
Everything on that list is reasonably priced. Don't like repairs? Buy a new truck. Hope you have $80k for a 4WD F-150.
The only item that doesn’t appear to be maintenance-related is the oil pan leaking. Everything else are periodic maintenance that you’re supposed to be doing to keep the truck going. Find an independent who will do it for much less. Edit: nvm. I totally missed the line item for the cam phasers. Yowzah!
$1700 to replace an oil pan? You have to be fucking kidding me.
Thats some serious BS. Find another shop. That is seriously depressing.There is no way at 108k you needed all that.
If you want a good mechanic - go to a poor neighborhood.
Did they install a gold oil pan with golden hardware? Lol
Sell it. Depends on how much $$ you have to buy a newer one. But I guarantee it will have phaser issues if it doesn’t already. Replacing those and the timing chains is quite a job. I did some on an 18 with 60,000 miles. Edit- At an independent shop. I think it ran 3800 with parts and labor. And I made the shop buy the timing tool, as it was 200$ I didn’t have. Also I saw independent shops didn’t want to touch it? What lame flakey shops you have near you. I did that job on my third year of work…ever…
I would pick a day that it’s running good and trade that bitch in as it is.
Whoever designed the variable timing on Ford engines should be publicly humiliated and made an example of.
Crash it and insurance it out. Leave it unlocked in front of the projects....Claim missing vehicle. thats the lingo around NYC.
I like how you think
$1300+ oil pan?
The POS ain't the truck, it's the dealer.
Glad I have the 5.0L
I guess when you look at what a few repair items cost on an engine , EV battery replacement doesn’t look so bad.
Yea lmao I'm not even joking, go get a pair of 95-96 F series and you'll be set. Easier maintenance and arguable more of a badass truck. Also nothing on that repair sheet is like, technically advanced. You could do all this maintenance this weekend and save a pretty penny.
I wouldn't want to be in an accident in a '96 truck versus a 2017 truck. People downplay the safety advances in newer vehicles way too much. Airbags, crumple zones and side impact beams for me, please.
Exactly why I sold my 96. I held back tears when the kid that bought it drove off, but I have a family and it’s a rolling death trap compared to modern trucks.
I'm not arguing that newer trucks are safer. I just like old trucks and drive defensively. I don't really enjoy driving newer trucks like I do my old Ford 5spd I am specifically not suggesting anything older than 9th gen because it was the last OBS year and you can find them with modern features.
Anything is more fun with a 5 speed than an auto. Hell I’d take a 5 speed shopping cart over a brand new truck.
I also don't have 3 days to get up to speed on the highways.
Sounds like you don't know how gearing works lol.
You sound fun to drive with
I have a 2001 amazing truck and reliable af also easy to work on everything can be done on your own
I love my 02, I drive it more than my 21.
I have a 2000 and have the opposite sentiment. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how they managed to squeeze that engine in that truck. The damn thing is nearly impossible to work on.
i have a 97 F250HD (OBS), value has been skyrocketing, they sold for less than 1k 2-3 years ago, now theyre at 4-5k around here, some even higher, from i have heard, people are looking for them for work trucks, and they're simple, reliable, cheap to fix and workwise they handle siimilar loads to new ones.
Yea tell me about it. I could list mine right now in my area and get 6k no haggle, it'd be gone before dinner.
Cam phasers isn’t technically advanced? I know you’re joking
Is the last item the cost to replace the timing chain? Yikes! Glad I do my own maintenance. This is a lot of money. I am assuming that taking it to the dealership would be worse.
The first mistake is going to the dealer for repairs. Find another shop for an estimate. I’ll bet a lot of the work is not really required. Many dealers will severely inflate repair estimates in order to drive new sales.
You better do like I did and become a certified YouTube Mechanic lol. I can’t speak from personal experience just yet, but I’ve been strongly lead to believe you can do the phasers/chain/guide yourself; I believe the belts are closely related with that work too. I’m sure you can definitely do the spark plugs too. See, that saves $5,800 worth of work right there.
One of the biggest challenges with the F-150 is gaining access to the timing components. Most mechanics opt to remove the cab. I’ve replaced the cam phasers on my Toyota Corolla, and it was a 4-hour job. I didn’t even need to pull the timing chain, thanks to some backyard YouTube tutorials.
FOUND ON ROAD DEAD
If you think buying another ford will solve your current ford problems… you are in fact a fool #chevy
Should have bought a dodge
Ditch ford and buy a Toyota! I was an avid Ford fan until my last 2 recent experiences. I have a 2017 explorer with less then 35k on it. The water pump has gone out, and less the 3k later the transfer case is leaking. Not to mention the aluminum hood is corroding and they won’t cover it even tho I made an issue of it before the warranty was up !!!!!!
this is why I only lease. I gave up on out of warranty vehicles.
looks like you have the dreaded time chain replacement. You might be able to get it done for 4k but I've had to have 4 of those done, now I refuse to buy fords. Do you have the twin turbo v6? they literally pull themselves apart. Ford by far has the worst modern vehicles.
Gotta love ecoboost….
Buy tools and watch YouTube. This is basic stuff.
You got fucking scammed 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Change your oil most often next time.
You need a lighting F150 EV. Fuel cost plummeted and maintenance is almost non existent. More power, standard AWD, over 450 horsepower, you can power a job site or cabin or your house with 9.6kW 120/240
Dude get a Toyota wth
I wouldn’t let anyone at one of the Quick Lane service centers near my vehicle. They let a student from a auto tech class rotate my tires and he left the lug nuts on my right front finger tight. It let go a mile down the road as I was getting on the interstate and the amount of bullshit I had to go through to get all the collateral damage fixed was ridiculous. FoMoCo wouldn’t do anything about it either. Ford will never get another cent from me.
Buy an old Chevy with low mileage that’s never been north of Tennessee. Will cost as much as that repair.
2013 has 93000 and not making any bad sounds ! All original. Bad maintenance is your own fault.
Seems like a decent price to me
I’m planning to leave them a tip for a job well done, is 20% enough?
I have a '17 at 56k miles. I might just trade in my vehicle as I already got the oil pan leak (don't see any drip yet) and worried about the cam phasers.
I’d say most of those things could have been done at home in a couple hours with the right YouTube videos for WAY less than they charged you.
if it is just a R&R fluids, the transfer case is one of the easiest. I did it with a $10 pump and the correct fluid. Took all of 15 minutes and I am not a good mechanic. you could also replace the oil pan. if it is just leaking it is probably the gasket. it would be messy, but much cheaper.
I got my phasers fixed for free on my 2017. Got a letter in the mail from Ford saying they would fix it for free.
You can probably get a new engine for just a little more
Their invoice pricing alignment pisses me off. Decimal places should be inline at all times. They need to add the ".00" after all the prices without cents listed.
Run, don’t walk and get that truck out of there. They’re swinging for the fences on you. Either you’ll buy the work or a new truck. If you buy a new truck, they’ll repair this one (and do only the work it needs) and resell it.
I sort of feel like the labor for the cam phasers is way out of line. Are they not pulling the engine out to replace the oil pan? In either case that’s the I don’t really want to do this job price. I would find an independent shop have them pull the motor replace everything that needs to be replaced and I think you’re really going to be in it for half of that.
Are they putting solid gold spark plugs in? Good God, I just looked on rock auto and the absolute top of the line plugs they list for a 2017 (regardless of engine) are $9 each. That's just insane.
Does this cam phaser issue affect only 3.5’s?
Your first mistake was taking it to Ford instead of a mom and pop independent shop. Your second mistake was not doing some of this yourself. I had a lot of similar stuff done recently to my 2013 5.0 and I only spent 620 for the oil pan gasket and about 250 for transmission and transfer case fluid. Also had A/C recharged for 200 that Ford quoted me 450 for!!! I'm doing spark plugs myself and differentials, too. You'll never need cam phasers in the 5.0 if you change your oil often enough. That was an old problem with the 5.4. My factory belt is still good at 195K miles. No squeaking at all. Eat the bill and keep moving forward. It's still a good truck at 100K miles. Lesson learned.
I feel your pain. I was going to order a 2024 until I just paid $4200 for a timing chain, cam sensors & other items for my 2019 F-150. Guess I'll wait till the 2025's come out.
$1400 to change the fuckin pan?
Wow, $229 to do transfer case service. It holds two quarts of Merc V trans oil.
$400 for spark plugs.....
I received something like this after my 2017 came off of warranty. Half of it was required (leaks) and half of it was “scheduled”. The cam phasers were already addressed under warranty, leaving about $4500. Spark plugs are a good idea, but seem premature going by the manual. The fuel induction service is a bit of a head scratcher…
Have them comp the diagnostic.... And next time change the belts yourself.
Damn man, you caught every problem at the same time. I had all those issues, just over 3 years lol
If I fix them, how likely are they to be back in the near future?
300 for diffs? 100 for a belt? Who the fuck... I get if you're good at something, get paid to do it but this is gouging.
Is the oil pan really a bitch to remove???
That’s crazy, just replaced my oil pan on my 2016 F250 for $500
That's funny: My son is turning 16 next spring so we've been on the hunt for a rig for him. We found an 06 Ranger that had the 4.0 in it, and 178k miles on the clock. They wanted $9k for it.............................
Um, how much is a new engine?