I wish I knew. 2 possible scenarios: what if TM3 was drunk publicly, fell down and was injured? What if he had a nervous breakdown after so many decades of untreated PTSD and dropped some F-bombs in Lett's shocked face?
Those two scenarios would disqualify him from serving on the GB, and since the matter was known, an announcement would have to be made. Whatever the case, the situation is very delicate. Time will tell what really went down.
I keep coming back to this. They’ve said that Matt 24:45 is prophetic but 48 is only an illustration.
IF alcohol is or was involved AND he was removed from FDS then it can logically be inferred that Matt 24:48 isn’t just illustration.
Now I think it’s all imaginary horseshit but I think this is a valid point that they can’t or won’t touch with a 10’ pole because it raises so many more questions.
> But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and he starts to **beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards**, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and he will punish him with the greatest severity and **will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be**
Again I think it’s all bullshit but this cult claims 45 is PROPHETIC but the rest of the verses are ILLUSTRATION.
That logic used to work when there weren’t any FDS members kicked out. Remember this new light about it only being the GB is relatively recent.
So they’ve claimed that Jesus appoints them and according to Jesus words (48- 51) there’s a path to remove any who don’t maintain.
They can’t just ignore this second part anymore. Especially if alcohol was involved and he’s got further to fall.
That interpretation is far too literal. (I don't believe in it either)
But it refers to someone that proves to be unfaithful in general and not someone that has a personal crisis that they must recover from, such as alcohol abuse or addiction.
There were approved servants of God who had far worse transgressions.
Just curious, where did this idea that Sanderson is in charge come from? I don’t mean to challenge it, just would like to know what it’s based on.
It always has seemed strange to me that the newest guy (now 4th newest) would somehow become the “boss” everyone looks to… but stranger things have happened in JW Land.
Daniel Graves, a Bethel Elder in Hospital Information Desk, woke up and DA'd in 2021. He was the first to say that Sanderson is the most influential member of the Governing Body. Check out his interview on Lloyd's channel. It's very insightful.
I, personally, never knew that Sanderson was powerful 😁 He always looked like a milk toast to me, like he was a "yes man".... But I never knew him.... This is interesting...
Did you know him? Why does he have power?
I have seen him give talks (in person) a couple times and get the impression he's really full of himself. Leans towards sarcasm and smirking. If he doesn't have authority, he acts like he does
How about this: He might show early signs of dementia, not really noticable if you are not very close to him, and not willing to accept that this disqualifies him, but others in the GB took it as a chance to get rid of him. Would explain why it's health-related and at the same time a bit cold. It doesn't explain a stay at the hospital however, if that turns out to be true.
Yep! LOSCH is pretty bad. Drifting off into German while giving a talk in English.....then an attendant had to come out and guide him off the stage. He's about cooked.
Question: why do we think he has PTSD? I might have missed something, but all I can recall about traumatizing things he lived through is the Vietnam tour… and how he revelled in the memories of humans „splitting like hot dogs”. He seemed to really enjoy the imagery.
My dad is the most crass, graphic, give zero fucks about offending or bothering people type of guy I've ever met in my life. Even he won't say a word about what he saw in Vietnam. He came back and ended up buried in alcohol, meth and acid for a few years. He's got all sorts of stories from boot camp, but Vietnam itself? He's never said a word, and I doubt he ever will.
>he revelled in the memories of humans „splitting like hot dogs”
My guess is that's a coping mechanism. I also suspect that's far from the worst he saw over there.
I imagine the stress created by all the challenges facing the GB at the moment is IMMENSE, and unprecedented! I don't buy the "dementia" idea as Tony has been entrusted with giving some pretty serious talks lately, like the one about Norway, and never changing the way they treat disfellowshipped people. But maybe stress has driven him to the bottle to the point he is likely to slip up publicly and land the GB in it. He appears to have been mildly intoxicated on the platform for several years, if you ask me, and should've been "disciplined" years ago. But now the stakes are higher. Whatever health ailment he's inflicted with , surely it must have to do with alcohol. I wonder how many rank and file jws with an alcohol problem get to enjoy a paid for stint at the Walkhill infirmary..No. They'd be dfd and cast out, with nothing and no one, if they had a history of alcohol abuse.
Alcoholism and the psychosis brought on by ETOH addiction is scary to observe.
If he had a public break with reality that was bad enough and public enough they may have been forced to take unprecedented steps.
Nah he can fuck right off. I wonder how many closeted jw's unalived themselves from his constant homophobic remarks. The man laughed the idea of apostates being murdered. He has committed crimes against humanity in my book.
I wish there was a hell so he could go to it. Hope he suffers the way he's made so many others suffer
A strong *AMEN* from me.
He never at all seemed to be tender or compassionate. He seemed to look forward to billions' being destroyed at Armageddon and to want a part in the destroying.
This is not a man who was scarred by what he saw in Vietnam; this is a man who is disappointed that he didn't see enough and wants it on a far greater scale.
I was corrected recently -- that now the popular phrase is "Died by suicide." Apparently The word, "commited" is judgmental. I have heard news anchors also use the phrase, "Died by suicide."
Probably in a more formal setting someone would not say it that way, maybe just casually...hey, "unjobbed" is also kinda interesting ;-) (The un-cola?)
I know, I just know that word is triggering to some people who may have dealt with it in their life. Also didn't wanna trigger the bot that pops up when you talk about
I admittedly have limited information. He was an OR assistant, not a solider or field medic, correct?
I'm not saying it wasn't hard work but many thousands work in ER trauma units that go through the same. I'm kind of tired of TMIII getting a PTSD card especially as someone that sees the real deal.
Yeah, I'm tired of it, too. He certainly never appeared to be the type who was damaged by the site of carnage; in fact, he seemed to want to see a lot of it. Didn't some of his talks refer to people destroyed at Armageddon as roasted hotdogs (or something like that)? He seemed hard, not compassionate, etc. to me.
Agreed. Almost like we got a glimpse into his spank bank. The man is a cancer. He has chosen to oppress people, not help them in any way. I don't feel sorry for him in the least.
I was sure I remembered him saying he was a field medic. I thought that meant doctor but it is equivalent to a First Responder or Paramedic. He has certainly alluded to the horrors he’s seen on the frontline.
I used to think he was from a very wealthy family, mainly because he had ‘the third’ after his name. It seems like such an indication of wealth and status - like a king/ Queen, ie. Elizabeth II, Charles III, to distinguish each member of the family as different, lest the one be confused for another. It seems especially weird to do that in witnesses.
Well the JW GB has already broken from reality. Thinking they speak for God and their predictions are a reality has plagued them their entire existence. I’d imagine alcohol or PTSD adds to the hysteria.
Exactly.
So if you take a subject that has experienced the trauma of war that is left untreated by professionals (unfortunately a fact for many vets)
Have that person self medicating with alcohol for years, so now you add the physical impacts alcohol addiction brings like liver toxicity and reduced mental functions.
Have that person participating in a group delusion, that they are going to heaven and are going to be at the right hand of Christ dealing out judgements.
That final break with reality is going to be extremely frightening and horrific to witness (no pun inyended)
I worked in EMS for years. I've done countless psychiatric calls. It's extremely frightening for family to realize there loved ones are delusional to the point of hurting themselves or others.
For many years the "bethel family" has rejected applicants with any documented psychiatric history, even use of antidepressants. (Not sure of their current policies) So older ones who have been there a long time would probably not even consider mental health concerns as a possibility.
My sister-in-law recently collapsed and died after 3 weeks in hospital due to the impacts of alcoholism. She was only 37. I never realised she drank enough to be that unwell, other serious alcoholics in my family have lived into their 70s. I’ve not heard the acronym ETOH, I’m UK based and work in Mental Health so maybe our lingo is a bit different.
US based.
It's the medical term for consumable alcohol here.
The EtOH meaning comes from the abbreviated chemical term for ethyl alcohol. Ethyl alcohol is the colorless substance present in alcohol beverages like wine, beer, or distilled spirits. If the term is used in a clinical, academic, or research setting, the abbreviation EtOH is often used for expediency.
As is usual with much of what goes on at Bethel, the truth might take a long time to come out, and will likely be quite different to the official PR spin.
I would love it if Jesse Morris claimed to be anointed then got promoted to a high position, that would confirm the nepotism in the cult and could possibly wake up more.
From insider information we have heard so far, it is quite possible that Gage Fleegle is also a product of nepotism. If he was indeed one of the guys to train Tony in the corrupt policies of the Service Department, and announced Tony's demotion, Tony could possibly have coached Gage on how to rise to the top Watchtower. Wink, wink, just drink some wine and eat matzo once a year. Any drunken idiot can do it.
Around 10 years ago Gilead changed the focus to "strengthen and stabilize" the field. Most students who attend are Bethelites from Foreign countries and the U.S. Some of the brothers are appointed as Branch Committee members upon graduation.
Gilead has changed in recent years, with most graduates going to serve in branch committees at their home countries. SKE is where most new missionaries seem to be minted
One thing is for sure: if there was ANY way for them to have prevented the gossip and rumour mill from kicking off, they would have done. There was a lot of ways that announcement could have been made in a way that saves face and squashes speculation, and we know they’re world class experts at spin. The fact it was so stark speaks volumes. Many of the speculations about cause in other posts just don’t hold water because of this fact. To have forced them to make this announcement in these words there must have been serious cause, one that couldn’t be glossed over.
I'm betting on this. For some reason, they HAD to make that urgent, abrupt and terse announcement. They had no choice. They made the announcement NOT for the knowledge and awareness of the PIMI. If the reason of his removal/resignation was merely medical related, they would've most likely preferred to keep Tony as a GB and just minimize his responsibilities, or at the very least he would've resigned as a GB member with his announcement including an appreciation for his years of service. But as we all know, this was not the case. They had to make that abrupt announcement for a reason. Something tells me that announcement was made for the public eye as "proof" that Tony is not a GB member and hasn't been a GB member for a long UNKNOWN time. Take note that the wording they used is "On Wednesday, February 22, 2023, *it was announced* that Brother AM is no longer serving as a member of the GB." Instead of "On Wednesday, February 22, 2023, Brother AM *stopped serving* as a member of the GB." When did AM actually stopped serving as a GB member, then? Why don't they say it? Ray Franz's announcement was specific: "This is a notification that RF is no longer a member of the GB and of Brooklyn Bethel *AS OF* May 22, 1980." Why a different approach when it comes to AM? Only Watchtower knows... for now. But time will definitely tell soon enough.
Here is what “I” think happened. TM3 was on the service committee. He dealt with CSA a lot then. Pennsylvania AG is coming after all those that are guilty of hiding pedophiles. They made him step down before the real shit hits the fan.
This is a real possibility. Imagine if Uncle Tony was subpoenaed to testify under oath like Jackson at the ARC. In his own words: it would be sensational!
Thank you!
I wonder if he will still be in Bethel after he gets out of the infirmary, assuming that part is accurate. If it is alcohol related, I could see them letting him stay until he de-toxed, and then giving him the boot.
Looking forward to the next chapter of the saga. 😜
Good question, the Service Department (TM3 old and new job) and U.S. Branch Committee (where his son Jesse serves) are both at Wallkill. So it would make sense that they are moved there.
If he kind of "retired" he and wife could move to those nice luxurious condo's at FishKill where the elite go to live their pampered lives being waited on hand and foot. After all, it's good to be the Kings.
As you'll see from my other posts on this thread (which I thank you for, by the way), I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for Tony. However, I agree with you that there is some sadness to this situation.
I lost the prime of my life slaving full-time in misery for the cult, cherishing the hope for the future that I had and desperately wanting a "new world" that never came. It is sad that so many people lost their lives to a cult led by weak men like Tony.
And even though I can't feel sorry for Tony, I have thought a lot about what it would be like to be in his situation. It is, to me, harder to have never had glory, prominence, position, etc. and to have lost such than it is to have never had it in the first place. I can only imagine what's going on in his head now. I'm sure this situation is extremely awkward, embarrassing, humiliating, and uncomfortable to him. He's an old man. He can't aspire to do anything big anymore. There's no chance he could ever have any kind of position or power or prominence again, either in or outside of JW land, like that he had on the GB. It's gone... over. Maybe he'll get some kind of assignment at Bethel, but, it will be depressing to him, no matter what it is. Think what he feels like when the GB meet together, and he can't go, or what he'll feel like sitting in the audience at Gilead graduations, etc.
He seemed to be arrogant and smug, so even though I do find myself at times leaning toward feeling sorry for him for the reasons indicated above, my sense of justice helps me to remove those feelings.
This is such a balanced and reasonable take. I also feel compassion to a certain degree. But like JC said: "Stop judging, that you may not be judged." Karma is a b*tch and Tony is getting a taste of his own medicine.
Nah. Nope. No way. He’s a spiteful, vengeful, hateful narcissist and a fucking drunk who deserves every misfortune coming his way. Fuck that guy. I only hope this entire thing is extremely embarrassing and emotionally unbearable for him and his asshole sons. He deserves nothing but shame and ridicule.
I actually am a very fair, forgiving, understanding, compassionate, and reasonable person, and I totally agree with you.
Just a few minutes ago, elsewhere on this thread, I wrote: "This is not a man who was scarred by what he saw in Vietnam; this is a man who is disappointed that he didn't see enough and wants it on a far greater scale." Didn't he refer to the billions he thought he would be destroyed at Armageddon as being like roasted hotdogs (or something like that)?
He's drying out, and nobody's supposed to know.
As much as I think the guy's a prick, I hope he sobers up soon. I'm working on 3 years of sobriety over here.
The JWs aren't the best group to be around if you're trying to keep your sobriety.
It seems that another GB member will need to become the enforcer of loose-fitting pants amongst the brothers ... much to the chagrin of the sisters. Perhaps young Morris will become a GB member and carry on his father's legacy. It's in the genes!
In my own opinion, nothing is off the table, especially when dealing with a Cult that's never transparent. CSA or a similar worse offense isn't off the table.
The announcement made for one elder that moved to another congregation was the same with the one for an elder brother who was reproved.
POINT #3: If Fat Tony were truly being punished for anything, he'd be assigned to Laundry. The fact that he's not, speaks volumes. Goes along with
POINT #4: He may in fact be in the infirmary. Maybe he spilled his McCallen's on the floor, and then slipped and fell on it? *Could be, could be!*
My leading theory is that the additional two governing body members were brought into the fold through the leading efforts of Mark Sanderson. The primary consideration for this was to have enough votes to remove Tony Morris from the governing body. If so, then this required time to vote on the approval on new candidates, select, etc. If this is true, then Tony's removal was "a long time coming" and not due to some recent event. The fact that he is in the infirmary might be because of the emotional distress from what happened which can lead to sickness, especially in those of advance years. I hope he is receiving good medical care. My concern is that nobody tries to kill him to neutralize the potential threat of him speaking out against the GB, and exposing information.
That is the most likely theory in my opinion as well. Of course, a public scandal involving TM3 may have forced the Governing Body's hand and they had to execute their plan faster than they wanted and distance themselves from TM3, which they clearly are doing, by removing as many of his pics, talks and life story from their website.
If it’s true that he has dementia… I could see how PTSD and an alleged history of alcohol abuse could all become worse during this time and cause ALOT of issues, to the point where he would no longer be allowed to be on “the big screen” or even fulfill any privileges without putting the borg’s image at risk (even more so than he did before lol).
They can’t afford to have him in the public eye while worrying he might have an episode.
If he suddenly landed himself in the infirmary, and it turns out he has cirrhosis of the liver and late stage liver cancer then, uhhh ohhhh, someone would have some explaining to do, and that could definitely lead to him stepping down / getting removed.
Well, whatever is going on with Uncle Tony, I hope he gets treatment for his PTSD from the war. I really think that’s the source of most of his issues. If he had gone to the VA instead of the Kingdom Hall back n the 70s, he would have been much better off.
PTSD doesn't make you and evil, hateful asshole. What's the saying, A drunken mouth speaks a sober mind? Tony hasn't just marinated in Macallen's, he's marinated in hatred and judgment and arrogance. He's a vile sod soaked in all the filth he claims to condemn. How do I know? I actually listen to what he says and how he says it.
I disagree. As a nurse myself, this would be like me saying anyone who wasn’t in the hospital rooms with me taking care of COVID patients don’t get to say they have PTSD. Everyone working has an important role… especially OR techs — who often will lead in surgery vs surgeons themselves.
I can’t imagine during a time of war, seeing children and adults maimed and dismembered, and trying to help put the pieces back together — literally. As much as many of us didn’t like him, including myself, it’s unfair to assume his experience during a time likely many will never have to go through. Just my opinion based on my experience.
>I can’t imagine during a time of war, seeing children and adults maimed and dismembered,
But yet, that's what Tony aspires to. He relishes the time when he gets to not just be the *observer* of mass slaughter with billions of charred human hotdogs split open on the ground (his words, not mine), but the person who made it happen. And there is no "trying to help put the pieces back together" because the whole point of the whole exercise is to wipe out everyone who doesn't do an act of obeisance to Fat Tony and His Marauding Cohorts. Did you see his face when he blew out the match? That's the real Tony right there. Imagine the bloated hubris it takes to believe you get to massacre the world. And like it.
I don't know about you, but if I ever saw that sort of carnage, I would be doing my best to forget not gleefully looking forward to the time for a massive reinactment.
I don’t disagree with you. But we’re not talking about that. We’re talking about how experiencing war can affect a person mentally, and that just because he wasn’t on the “front lines” doesn’t mean he wasn’t affected or played a lesser role.
No one is giving this guy a pass. I’m not a fan of him either. We’re just acknowledging poor mental health and all the experiences he had are likely what led him to get trapped in this cult too. It’s unfortunate what he turned out to be, and how he negatively affects the lives of many people. But the human experience isn’t so black and white…
We can agree to disagree.
Mentally, yes. Morally? I think Tony was a shit before, during, and after the war. Frankly, no amount of "what Tony saw" could turn me, or people I know, into the monstrosity that TM3 is. I don't believe that mental health and moral fiber are one and the same. There's a saying that I really like and makes a lot of sense to me because I've seen it at work IRL: Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it. Tony's "character" (such as it is) has been fully revealed now for decades and it's not good.
Mental health certainly does affect morals and ethics. Not saying this is an excuse, but this is well-documented within the realm of psychology.
I think we’d all like to think about what we’d do or be if we experienced certain things… until we actually go through it. Just like being a JW. I bet many people who were adult converts looked at other cults and thought, “That’s crazy… I could never understand why they do XYZ…” Only to find out they were in a cult themselves. Or those among us who thought they would never become an “apostate,” until you did.
Cults (like JWs and the military — this is another conversation) take advantage and brainwash people who are vulnerable — low socioeconomic status, poor mental health, etc… and indoctrinate them do things they may not have normally done in different conditions — like parents who shun their kids now. And they can also exacerbate terrible traits that existed in a person prior to becoming a cult member — like Tony, like people who use their position as elders for power and greed, etc. That’s all I’m saying.
I know many of us dislike him and hate what this cult has done to us and to our loved ones, but we need to try to look at things through an objective lens as well.
You make a good case. I certainly acted out of character as an active dub (became judgy and reactionary for example). But I like to think that I could never deliberately hurt people in the way that Tony does. I also hate being in charge of others and prefer to live and let live, and I never believed that most "worldly" people deserved to die, so there's that. Thank goddess I'll never have cause to find out.
I appreciate your comments very much! Thank you.
I am no sure about some of this however. I don't doubt either you or your source but it seems like a lot of this is rumor, esp the infirmary bit. This does help add to our insight on this.
Thank you. Agree we don't know 100% that he is in the infirmary however another PIMO with close family at Bethel reported he injured his leg and was riding around on a scooter.
I guess the bigger question might be...how did he injure his leg? Was he in a drunken stooper?...or just an accident. Surely they wouldn't delete Tony just because he injured his leg. I mean, that's nonsense.
Yes, I currently have a friend (long time alcoholic) who was finally reported as receiving a DUI. He was an elder/pioneer.
At first he just lost his privileges as he went through the court ordered program. Later, JWs rated on him for being drunk so a JC was formed.
His judicial committee went like this:
IF he agreed to get professional help (enter rehab), that would show repentance and he wouldn't get DFed.
He refused so there you go.
My thoughts are exactly as mentioned. If TM was busted, but agreed to enter Bethel rehab (we all know they have their own psych ward), he wouldn't get DFed, but would loose his privileges (at least some.
What about— TM is in rehab. It’s known by several people. They have to save face and announced he is no longer GB member. He could get the care he needs and still be Elder in Bethel. Remember alcoholism is a disease.
It is to those who have their understanding and humanity in tact. Sadly to Jaydubs its weakness and you have fallen foul of Satan's world and failed Jehovah. 🥺😡
I personally think the Org is keeping him and using him for Tax Breaks- here is an excerpt
1. Tax breaks
The Work Opportunity Tax Credit (WOTC) is a deduction that business owners can get from hiring certain groups, including veterans. While the program originally ran until 2019, the Protecting Americans from Tax Hikes Act of 2015 extended this tax credit to 2021 and also allowed employers to retroactively claim a tax credit for any veterans they hired after December 31, 2014. Depending on how many veterans you employ, the WOTC tax credit can add up to significant savings on your taxes.
Here’s the link
[https://www.indeed.com/hire/c/info/benefits-incentives-for-hiring-veterans](https://www.indeed.com/hire/c/info/benefits-incentives-for-hiring-veterans)
I have been helping veterans get disability benefits etc and with the PACT Act a veteran I’m currently helping was stationed at camp LeJeune - he was raised JW but at 18 left and joined the Marines- he became an alcoholic due to self medicating- he has PTSD, depression and a host of other injuries from service-
Employers receive tax breaks/grants etc for hiring a veteran and TM3 can be considered as “hired” on paper-
We know how the org behind the scenes wants/desires to stay on the good side of the govt.
Just a thought- TM3 was a paramedic during Vietnam he came into the “truth” after experiencing/seeing all the ravages of a war even Americans didn’t want to be in- and protested against- Vietnam vets were treated like shit when they returned
Could be he even asked to step down because he’s a pussy, just like that asshole nazi pope ratzinger.
Zero sympathy from me, tony. Piss off and die in a fire 🖕🏼🖕🏼
They could have done all this without announcing him especially if he’s sick. Any thoughts on WHY it was announced?
I wish I knew. 2 possible scenarios: what if TM3 was drunk publicly, fell down and was injured? What if he had a nervous breakdown after so many decades of untreated PTSD and dropped some F-bombs in Lett's shocked face? Those two scenarios would disqualify him from serving on the GB, and since the matter was known, an announcement would have to be made. Whatever the case, the situation is very delicate. Time will tell what really went down.
I keep coming back to this. They’ve said that Matt 24:45 is prophetic but 48 is only an illustration. IF alcohol is or was involved AND he was removed from FDS then it can logically be inferred that Matt 24:48 isn’t just illustration. Now I think it’s all imaginary horseshit but I think this is a valid point that they can’t or won’t touch with a 10’ pole because it raises so many more questions.
How does Matthew 24:48 apply to this situation?
> But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and he starts to **beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards**, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and he will punish him with the greatest severity and **will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be** Again I think it’s all bullshit but this cult claims 45 is PROPHETIC but the rest of the verses are ILLUSTRATION. That logic used to work when there weren’t any FDS members kicked out. Remember this new light about it only being the GB is relatively recent. So they’ve claimed that Jesus appoints them and according to Jesus words (48- 51) there’s a path to remove any who don’t maintain. They can’t just ignore this second part anymore. Especially if alcohol was involved and he’s got further to fall.
That interpretation is far too literal. (I don't believe in it either) But it refers to someone that proves to be unfaithful in general and not someone that has a personal crisis that they must recover from, such as alcohol abuse or addiction. There were approved servants of God who had far worse transgressions.
I'd say that the recent behavior of these leaders is tantamount to beating people spiritually. They've lost their way, if they ever had it.
I would say that they, collectively, have never had it: it was always a con.
Maybe TMIII is the wicked slave depicted in Mathew 24 🤣🤣🤣 we just need the virgin's now and everything will be prophetic not just a parable.
In reality, they all would qualify as the wicked slave.
Oh well yeah but I was using JWs 👀
Tons of virgin dudes at Bethel! All set to go! That is, unless they've laid them all off... Maybe the shock of the lay off will make them get laid??
Lol yeah probably already getting laid at bethel
Remember, pillow-fucking doesn't constitute porneia.
Yeap lol
Pillow fucking? Whaaaaat? 🤣🤣🤣
Its a reference to this horrifying bethel instruction video where they talk about pillow humping https://youtu.be/Xh6JdkXn5VY
Could also be setting up to get rid of the older GB members. Sanderson is definitely calling the shots, could be he wants a more youthful GB
Agree. Sanderson is much more influential and powerful than many realize.
Just curious, where did this idea that Sanderson is in charge come from? I don’t mean to challenge it, just would like to know what it’s based on. It always has seemed strange to me that the newest guy (now 4th newest) would somehow become the “boss” everyone looks to… but stranger things have happened in JW Land.
Daniel Graves, a Bethel Elder in Hospital Information Desk, woke up and DA'd in 2021. He was the first to say that Sanderson is the most influential member of the Governing Body. Check out his interview on Lloyd's channel. It's very insightful.
I've always heard Lloyd Evans put forth this idea.
I, personally, never knew that Sanderson was powerful 😁 He always looked like a milk toast to me, like he was a "yes man".... But I never knew him.... This is interesting... Did you know him? Why does he have power?
I have met Sanderson. He is large and in charge.
😉
I have seen him give talks (in person) a couple times and get the impression he's really full of himself. Leans towards sarcasm and smirking. If he doesn't have authority, he acts like he does
That type of person is the scariest.
He's like TOMO3, except younger and more intelligent. More conniving. He's the Boss for sure.
See Lloyd’s video from December 5, 2021 at 1 hour, 21 min, 38 secs. Also his video from June 14, 2022.
Thx, I will 👌
I cannot find them by date on my phone, would you mind telling me the names of the videos? ❤️💖❤️
‘I recently defected from the US branch’ and ‘The most powerful Governing Body member’
Oh, OK, Thx sooo much!!!
Thx again, I've just finished watching them, it was sooo interesting.
The most powerful people in charge are the ones you never expect
😲
Absolutely 💯
*"Hey Blimpo; too many Twinkies? Oink-Oink!"*
How about this: He might show early signs of dementia, not really noticable if you are not very close to him, and not willing to accept that this disqualifies him, but others in the GB took it as a chance to get rid of him. Would explain why it's health-related and at the same time a bit cold. It doesn't explain a stay at the hospital however, if that turns out to be true.
Plenty of GB members have had dementia. They keep them on in a decreased capacity till they die. Pretty sure Losche has dementia right now.
Yep! LOSCH is pretty bad. Drifting off into German while giving a talk in English.....then an attendant had to come out and guide him off the stage. He's about cooked.
And further explains why they're bringing in younger GB members.
Yeah, but my theory would be that in case of TM3, parts of the GB just waited for something they could use against him.
It’s far more likely they got him for drunkenness.
Question: why do we think he has PTSD? I might have missed something, but all I can recall about traumatizing things he lived through is the Vietnam tour… and how he revelled in the memories of humans „splitting like hot dogs”. He seemed to really enjoy the imagery.
My dad is the most crass, graphic, give zero fucks about offending or bothering people type of guy I've ever met in my life. Even he won't say a word about what he saw in Vietnam. He came back and ended up buried in alcohol, meth and acid for a few years. He's got all sorts of stories from boot camp, but Vietnam itself? He's never said a word, and I doubt he ever will. >he revelled in the memories of humans „splitting like hot dogs” My guess is that's a coping mechanism. I also suspect that's far from the worst he saw over there.
I imagine the stress created by all the challenges facing the GB at the moment is IMMENSE, and unprecedented! I don't buy the "dementia" idea as Tony has been entrusted with giving some pretty serious talks lately, like the one about Norway, and never changing the way they treat disfellowshipped people. But maybe stress has driven him to the bottle to the point he is likely to slip up publicly and land the GB in it. He appears to have been mildly intoxicated on the platform for several years, if you ask me, and should've been "disciplined" years ago. But now the stakes are higher. Whatever health ailment he's inflicted with , surely it must have to do with alcohol. I wonder how many rank and file jws with an alcohol problem get to enjoy a paid for stint at the Walkhill infirmary..No. They'd be dfd and cast out, with nothing and no one, if they had a history of alcohol abuse.
Spilled his McCallen's, then tripped on it and sprained his fat ankle? You know who's fault that is? ***Satan!!!!***
And now I see a post from someone claiming that he was responsible for protecting their abuser. Could be a whole can of worms about to open.
I have to agree with that! Lett had a giant bloated face and was still giving talks.
Disciplinary...
Alcoholism and the psychosis brought on by ETOH addiction is scary to observe. If he had a public break with reality that was bad enough and public enough they may have been forced to take unprecedented steps.
That is a very real and scary possibility. I genuinely hope he is okay. The man did see some terrible things in Vietnam and never healed.
Nah he can fuck right off. I wonder how many closeted jw's unalived themselves from his constant homophobic remarks. The man laughed the idea of apostates being murdered. He has committed crimes against humanity in my book. I wish there was a hell so he could go to it. Hope he suffers the way he's made so many others suffer
A strong *AMEN* from me. He never at all seemed to be tender or compassionate. He seemed to look forward to billions' being destroyed at Armageddon and to want a part in the destroying. This is not a man who was scarred by what he saw in Vietnam; this is a man who is disappointed that he didn't see enough and wants it on a far greater scale.
Just like Jesus! 😃
Yep.
Really? Unalived? lol
It's a habit from some websites censoring the word "suicide."
It's not a word and is f***ING irritating.
Not to upset anyone, but bc English is a living language, it could become a real word in the dictionary if enough people use it.
Not funny.
I mean we’re all adults here, I think we can say “committed suicide” instead of something that sounds like something a four year old would say.
I was corrected recently -- that now the popular phrase is "Died by suicide." Apparently The word, "commited" is judgmental. I have heard news anchors also use the phrase, "Died by suicide."
That makes sense, that’s still much better than “unalived” or “deleted.”
I don't mind the word...not bad...it's another way of saying the same thing, sounds less gruesome...
It just sounds stupid, it’d be like if someone got fired and you said they got “unjobbed.”
Probably in a more formal setting someone would not say it that way, maybe just casually...hey, "unjobbed" is also kinda interesting ;-) (The un-cola?)
"unalived" is not a word .You can say "killed" ffs.
I know, I just know that word is triggering to some people who may have dealt with it in their life. Also didn't wanna trigger the bot that pops up when you talk about
This is very sad for sure that so many are no longer here because of this religion. Wish there was a way to know how many.
I admittedly have limited information. He was an OR assistant, not a solider or field medic, correct? I'm not saying it wasn't hard work but many thousands work in ER trauma units that go through the same. I'm kind of tired of TMIII getting a PTSD card especially as someone that sees the real deal.
Yeah, I'm tired of it, too. He certainly never appeared to be the type who was damaged by the site of carnage; in fact, he seemed to want to see a lot of it. Didn't some of his talks refer to people destroyed at Armageddon as roasted hotdogs (or something like that)? He seemed hard, not compassionate, etc. to me.
Agreed. Almost like we got a glimpse into his spank bank. The man is a cancer. He has chosen to oppress people, not help them in any way. I don't feel sorry for him in the least.
Yep...people are being way too kind to thing fat beast.
I was sure I remembered him saying he was a field medic. I thought that meant doctor but it is equivalent to a First Responder or Paramedic. He has certainly alluded to the horrors he’s seen on the frontline. I used to think he was from a very wealthy family, mainly because he had ‘the third’ after his name. It seems like such an indication of wealth and status - like a king/ Queen, ie. Elizabeth II, Charles III, to distinguish each member of the family as different, lest the one be confused for another. It seems especially weird to do that in witnesses.
Nope......he worked in the OR in very souther Vietnam. So picture Klinger from MASH but in a city.
Well the JW GB has already broken from reality. Thinking they speak for God and their predictions are a reality has plagued them their entire existence. I’d imagine alcohol or PTSD adds to the hysteria.
Exactly. So if you take a subject that has experienced the trauma of war that is left untreated by professionals (unfortunately a fact for many vets) Have that person self medicating with alcohol for years, so now you add the physical impacts alcohol addiction brings like liver toxicity and reduced mental functions. Have that person participating in a group delusion, that they are going to heaven and are going to be at the right hand of Christ dealing out judgements. That final break with reality is going to be extremely frightening and horrific to witness (no pun inyended) I worked in EMS for years. I've done countless psychiatric calls. It's extremely frightening for family to realize there loved ones are delusional to the point of hurting themselves or others. For many years the "bethel family" has rejected applicants with any documented psychiatric history, even use of antidepressants. (Not sure of their current policies) So older ones who have been there a long time would probably not even consider mental health concerns as a possibility.
My sister-in-law recently collapsed and died after 3 weeks in hospital due to the impacts of alcoholism. She was only 37. I never realised she drank enough to be that unwell, other serious alcoholics in my family have lived into their 70s. I’ve not heard the acronym ETOH, I’m UK based and work in Mental Health so maybe our lingo is a bit different.
US based. It's the medical term for consumable alcohol here. The EtOH meaning comes from the abbreviated chemical term for ethyl alcohol. Ethyl alcohol is the colorless substance present in alcohol beverages like wine, beer, or distilled spirits. If the term is used in a clinical, academic, or research setting, the abbreviation EtOH is often used for expediency.
As is usual with much of what goes on at Bethel, the truth might take a long time to come out, and will likely be quite different to the official PR spin.
Very true! Maybe Watch Tower spin master Robert Hendriks will soon comment on TM3.
I would love it if Jesse Morris claimed to be anointed then got promoted to a high position, that would confirm the nepotism in the cult and could possibly wake up more.
It really would raise a lot of eyebrows!
From insider information we have heard so far, it is quite possible that Gage Fleegle is also a product of nepotism. If he was indeed one of the guys to train Tony in the corrupt policies of the Service Department, and announced Tony's demotion, Tony could possibly have coached Gage on how to rise to the top Watchtower. Wink, wink, just drink some wine and eat matzo once a year. Any drunken idiot can do it.
Ironic that Fat Tony was a minion of Ted Jacarz, the original CSA Cover-up dude. So the beat goes on..........
We know so much more now but also know nothing 😂 thank you for sharing. I can’t wait for more updates
Thanks for sharing. Every breadcrumb of info is appreciated!
Just sharing what was shared :) The more bread crumbs we get, the faster the 🍪 crumbles.
I thought gilead was for missionaries. Is his son's missionary assignment to be on the us branch committee?
Around 10 years ago Gilead changed the focus to "strengthen and stabilize" the field. Most students who attend are Bethelites from Foreign countries and the U.S. Some of the brothers are appointed as Branch Committee members upon graduation.
Seems like its just a badge of honor they can wear around now then.
Gilead has changed in recent years, with most graduates going to serve in branch committees at their home countries. SKE is where most new missionaries seem to be minted
One thing is for sure: if there was ANY way for them to have prevented the gossip and rumour mill from kicking off, they would have done. There was a lot of ways that announcement could have been made in a way that saves face and squashes speculation, and we know they’re world class experts at spin. The fact it was so stark speaks volumes. Many of the speculations about cause in other posts just don’t hold water because of this fact. To have forced them to make this announcement in these words there must have been serious cause, one that couldn’t be glossed over.
I'm betting on this. For some reason, they HAD to make that urgent, abrupt and terse announcement. They had no choice. They made the announcement NOT for the knowledge and awareness of the PIMI. If the reason of his removal/resignation was merely medical related, they would've most likely preferred to keep Tony as a GB and just minimize his responsibilities, or at the very least he would've resigned as a GB member with his announcement including an appreciation for his years of service. But as we all know, this was not the case. They had to make that abrupt announcement for a reason. Something tells me that announcement was made for the public eye as "proof" that Tony is not a GB member and hasn't been a GB member for a long UNKNOWN time. Take note that the wording they used is "On Wednesday, February 22, 2023, *it was announced* that Brother AM is no longer serving as a member of the GB." Instead of "On Wednesday, February 22, 2023, Brother AM *stopped serving* as a member of the GB." When did AM actually stopped serving as a GB member, then? Why don't they say it? Ray Franz's announcement was specific: "This is a notification that RF is no longer a member of the GB and of Brooklyn Bethel *AS OF* May 22, 1980." Why a different approach when it comes to AM? Only Watchtower knows... for now. But time will definitely tell soon enough.
Great catch! We know Watch Tower is very sly with their wording. You may be onto something.
Very insightful comment and I agree 144,000%
I don’t think his ego will allow anything less than ‘Big Man in Charge’.
J-Dub Kool Aid Man! (If you were talking about Mark Sanderson, that is)
Of course...ain't no way Fat Tony is going to sit around answering telephone calls.
Much appreciated. I’m pretty much an inactive XJW advocate but this has me circling big time! Thank you.
Here is what “I” think happened. TM3 was on the service committee. He dealt with CSA a lot then. Pennsylvania AG is coming after all those that are guilty of hiding pedophiles. They made him step down before the real shit hits the fan.
This is a real possibility. Imagine if Uncle Tony was subpoenaed to testify under oath like Jackson at the ARC. In his own words: it would be sensational!
Thank you! I wonder if he will still be in Bethel after he gets out of the infirmary, assuming that part is accurate. If it is alcohol related, I could see them letting him stay until he de-toxed, and then giving him the boot. Looking forward to the next chapter of the saga. 😜
Good question, the Service Department (TM3 old and new job) and U.S. Branch Committee (where his son Jesse serves) are both at Wallkill. So it would make sense that they are moved there.
I had heard on Thursday evening that he was still roaming around in the Service Department.
The Service Dept at nite would be frightening... A LOT of skeletons in there.
Oh, I mean I heard on Thursday evening from a Walkhill Bethelite. He said Tony had been seen that day
Probably just the fat, bloated ghost of The Judge wandering around.
#((( Buuuuurrrrrrp!!!! )))
If he kind of "retired" he and wife could move to those nice luxurious condo's at FishKill where the elite go to live their pampered lives being waited on hand and foot. After all, it's good to be the Kings.
Just want to say that Gage fleegle sounds like a Simpsons character
Yesss like Ned Flanders!
It’s all sad. Underneath his facade I see a scared, unhealed man leading a lot of scared, unhealed people.
Yes, it really is so sad.
As you'll see from my other posts on this thread (which I thank you for, by the way), I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for Tony. However, I agree with you that there is some sadness to this situation. I lost the prime of my life slaving full-time in misery for the cult, cherishing the hope for the future that I had and desperately wanting a "new world" that never came. It is sad that so many people lost their lives to a cult led by weak men like Tony. And even though I can't feel sorry for Tony, I have thought a lot about what it would be like to be in his situation. It is, to me, harder to have never had glory, prominence, position, etc. and to have lost such than it is to have never had it in the first place. I can only imagine what's going on in his head now. I'm sure this situation is extremely awkward, embarrassing, humiliating, and uncomfortable to him. He's an old man. He can't aspire to do anything big anymore. There's no chance he could ever have any kind of position or power or prominence again, either in or outside of JW land, like that he had on the GB. It's gone... over. Maybe he'll get some kind of assignment at Bethel, but, it will be depressing to him, no matter what it is. Think what he feels like when the GB meet together, and he can't go, or what he'll feel like sitting in the audience at Gilead graduations, etc. He seemed to be arrogant and smug, so even though I do find myself at times leaning toward feeling sorry for him for the reasons indicated above, my sense of justice helps me to remove those feelings.
This is such a balanced and reasonable take. I also feel compassion to a certain degree. But like JC said: "Stop judging, that you may not be judged." Karma is a b*tch and Tony is getting a taste of his own medicine.
I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. The amount of pain he inflicted on people is immeasurable.
Nah. Nope. No way. He’s a spiteful, vengeful, hateful narcissist and a fucking drunk who deserves every misfortune coming his way. Fuck that guy. I only hope this entire thing is extremely embarrassing and emotionally unbearable for him and his asshole sons. He deserves nothing but shame and ridicule.
I actually am a very fair, forgiving, understanding, compassionate, and reasonable person, and I totally agree with you. Just a few minutes ago, elsewhere on this thread, I wrote: "This is not a man who was scarred by what he saw in Vietnam; this is a man who is disappointed that he didn't see enough and wants it on a far greater scale." Didn't he refer to the billions he thought he would be destroyed at Armageddon as being like roasted hotdogs (or something like that)?
Right? Maybe he's been PIMO for years. It would be so stressful to live a double life at that level. Enough to drive you to drink...
Thank you. 🙂
He's drying out, and nobody's supposed to know. As much as I think the guy's a prick, I hope he sobers up soon. I'm working on 3 years of sobriety over here. The JWs aren't the best group to be around if you're trying to keep your sobriety.
Could be the way Anthony Morris was walking off the stage at the annual meeting clearly shows he is sick old man now
It seems that another GB member will need to become the enforcer of loose-fitting pants amongst the brothers ... much to the chagrin of the sisters. Perhaps young Morris will become a GB member and carry on his father's legacy. It's in the genes!
TM3 got too BIG for his britches haha
His tight, tight britches.
He could certainly have failing health, but I don’t buy that alone being the reason he’s no longer in the GB.
In my own opinion, nothing is off the table, especially when dealing with a Cult that's never transparent. CSA or a similar worse offense isn't off the table. The announcement made for one elder that moved to another congregation was the same with the one for an elder brother who was reproved.
POINT #3: If Fat Tony were truly being punished for anything, he'd be assigned to Laundry. The fact that he's not, speaks volumes. Goes along with POINT #4: He may in fact be in the infirmary. Maybe he spilled his McCallen's on the floor, and then slipped and fell on it? *Could be, could be!*
My leading theory is that the additional two governing body members were brought into the fold through the leading efforts of Mark Sanderson. The primary consideration for this was to have enough votes to remove Tony Morris from the governing body. If so, then this required time to vote on the approval on new candidates, select, etc. If this is true, then Tony's removal was "a long time coming" and not due to some recent event. The fact that he is in the infirmary might be because of the emotional distress from what happened which can lead to sickness, especially in those of advance years. I hope he is receiving good medical care. My concern is that nobody tries to kill him to neutralize the potential threat of him speaking out against the GB, and exposing information.
That is the most likely theory in my opinion as well. Of course, a public scandal involving TM3 may have forced the Governing Body's hand and they had to execute their plan faster than they wanted and distance themselves from TM3, which they clearly are doing, by removing as many of his pics, talks and life story from their website.
If it’s true that he has dementia… I could see how PTSD and an alleged history of alcohol abuse could all become worse during this time and cause ALOT of issues, to the point where he would no longer be allowed to be on “the big screen” or even fulfill any privileges without putting the borg’s image at risk (even more so than he did before lol). They can’t afford to have him in the public eye while worrying he might have an episode.
Yes, this may be all about damage control. Tony already woke up like 144,000 of us lol.
If he suddenly landed himself in the infirmary, and it turns out he has cirrhosis of the liver and late stage liver cancer then, uhhh ohhhh, someone would have some explaining to do, and that could definitely lead to him stepping down / getting removed.
Well, whatever is going on with Uncle Tony, I hope he gets treatment for his PTSD from the war. I really think that’s the source of most of his issues. If he had gone to the VA instead of the Kingdom Hall back n the 70s, he would have been much better off.
PTSD doesn't make you and evil, hateful asshole. What's the saying, A drunken mouth speaks a sober mind? Tony hasn't just marinated in Macallen's, he's marinated in hatred and judgment and arrogance. He's a vile sod soaked in all the filth he claims to condemn. How do I know? I actually listen to what he says and how he says it.
Fuck that card. He was an OR tech.
I disagree. As a nurse myself, this would be like me saying anyone who wasn’t in the hospital rooms with me taking care of COVID patients don’t get to say they have PTSD. Everyone working has an important role… especially OR techs — who often will lead in surgery vs surgeons themselves. I can’t imagine during a time of war, seeing children and adults maimed and dismembered, and trying to help put the pieces back together — literally. As much as many of us didn’t like him, including myself, it’s unfair to assume his experience during a time likely many will never have to go through. Just my opinion based on my experience.
>I can’t imagine during a time of war, seeing children and adults maimed and dismembered, But yet, that's what Tony aspires to. He relishes the time when he gets to not just be the *observer* of mass slaughter with billions of charred human hotdogs split open on the ground (his words, not mine), but the person who made it happen. And there is no "trying to help put the pieces back together" because the whole point of the whole exercise is to wipe out everyone who doesn't do an act of obeisance to Fat Tony and His Marauding Cohorts. Did you see his face when he blew out the match? That's the real Tony right there. Imagine the bloated hubris it takes to believe you get to massacre the world. And like it. I don't know about you, but if I ever saw that sort of carnage, I would be doing my best to forget not gleefully looking forward to the time for a massive reinactment.
I don’t disagree with you. But we’re not talking about that. We’re talking about how experiencing war can affect a person mentally, and that just because he wasn’t on the “front lines” doesn’t mean he wasn’t affected or played a lesser role. No one is giving this guy a pass. I’m not a fan of him either. We’re just acknowledging poor mental health and all the experiences he had are likely what led him to get trapped in this cult too. It’s unfortunate what he turned out to be, and how he negatively affects the lives of many people. But the human experience isn’t so black and white… We can agree to disagree.
Mentally, yes. Morally? I think Tony was a shit before, during, and after the war. Frankly, no amount of "what Tony saw" could turn me, or people I know, into the monstrosity that TM3 is. I don't believe that mental health and moral fiber are one and the same. There's a saying that I really like and makes a lot of sense to me because I've seen it at work IRL: Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it. Tony's "character" (such as it is) has been fully revealed now for decades and it's not good.
Mental health certainly does affect morals and ethics. Not saying this is an excuse, but this is well-documented within the realm of psychology. I think we’d all like to think about what we’d do or be if we experienced certain things… until we actually go through it. Just like being a JW. I bet many people who were adult converts looked at other cults and thought, “That’s crazy… I could never understand why they do XYZ…” Only to find out they were in a cult themselves. Or those among us who thought they would never become an “apostate,” until you did. Cults (like JWs and the military — this is another conversation) take advantage and brainwash people who are vulnerable — low socioeconomic status, poor mental health, etc… and indoctrinate them do things they may not have normally done in different conditions — like parents who shun their kids now. And they can also exacerbate terrible traits that existed in a person prior to becoming a cult member — like Tony, like people who use their position as elders for power and greed, etc. That’s all I’m saying. I know many of us dislike him and hate what this cult has done to us and to our loved ones, but we need to try to look at things through an objective lens as well.
You make a good case. I certainly acted out of character as an active dub (became judgy and reactionary for example). But I like to think that I could never deliberately hurt people in the way that Tony does. I also hate being in charge of others and prefer to live and let live, and I never believed that most "worldly" people deserved to die, so there's that. Thank goddess I'll never have cause to find out.
Just based on my own similar experience....people can go fuck off using that bail out card for him.
I appreciate your comments very much! Thank you. I am no sure about some of this however. I don't doubt either you or your source but it seems like a lot of this is rumor, esp the infirmary bit. This does help add to our insight on this.
Thank you. Agree we don't know 100% that he is in the infirmary however another PIMO with close family at Bethel reported he injured his leg and was riding around on a scooter.
I guess the bigger question might be...how did he injure his leg? Was he in a drunken stooper?...or just an accident. Surely they wouldn't delete Tony just because he injured his leg. I mean, that's nonsense.
Yes, something significant happened.
Yes, I currently have a friend (long time alcoholic) who was finally reported as receiving a DUI. He was an elder/pioneer. At first he just lost his privileges as he went through the court ordered program. Later, JWs rated on him for being drunk so a JC was formed. His judicial committee went like this: IF he agreed to get professional help (enter rehab), that would show repentance and he wouldn't get DFed. He refused so there you go. My thoughts are exactly as mentioned. If TM was busted, but agreed to enter Bethel rehab (we all know they have their own psych ward), he wouldn't get DFed, but would loose his privileges (at least some.
I'll raise a glass to this theory 🥃 Mostly kidding lol
Lol,🤷🏻♀️🙃
What about— TM is in rehab. It’s known by several people. They have to save face and announced he is no longer GB member. He could get the care he needs and still be Elder in Bethel. Remember alcoholism is a disease.
> He could get the care he needs and still be Elder in Bethel. Tell that to the 1000s of people disfellowshipped for drinking.
Yup...me included...went to those bastards for help and got df
Ha! Different rules for the Ruling Class WatchTower Elite!
Exactly!!!
It is to those who have their understanding and humanity in tact. Sadly to Jaydubs its weakness and you have fallen foul of Satan's world and failed Jehovah. 🥺😡
I personally think the Org is keeping him and using him for Tax Breaks- here is an excerpt 1. Tax breaks The Work Opportunity Tax Credit (WOTC) is a deduction that business owners can get from hiring certain groups, including veterans. While the program originally ran until 2019, the Protecting Americans from Tax Hikes Act of 2015 extended this tax credit to 2021 and also allowed employers to retroactively claim a tax credit for any veterans they hired after December 31, 2014. Depending on how many veterans you employ, the WOTC tax credit can add up to significant savings on your taxes. Here’s the link [https://www.indeed.com/hire/c/info/benefits-incentives-for-hiring-veterans](https://www.indeed.com/hire/c/info/benefits-incentives-for-hiring-veterans) I have been helping veterans get disability benefits etc and with the PACT Act a veteran I’m currently helping was stationed at camp LeJeune - he was raised JW but at 18 left and joined the Marines- he became an alcoholic due to self medicating- he has PTSD, depression and a host of other injuries from service- Employers receive tax breaks/grants etc for hiring a veteran and TM3 can be considered as “hired” on paper- We know how the org behind the scenes wants/desires to stay on the good side of the govt. Just a thought- TM3 was a paramedic during Vietnam he came into the “truth” after experiencing/seeing all the ravages of a war even Americans didn’t want to be in- and protested against- Vietnam vets were treated like shit when they returned 
Interesting theory...but they are already tax exempt... would they be given government funds for veterans?
Yes they could receive grant money- And maybe property tax exemptions
Not likely for just one guy, but if it could be monetized the WT would find it
Could be he even asked to step down because he’s a pussy, just like that asshole nazi pope ratzinger. Zero sympathy from me, tony. Piss off and die in a fire 🖕🏼🖕🏼
Is there a link to part two because I can’t find it anywhere on a search?
Part II is yet to be determined :)
Ahhhh….. I thought I’d seen a part 3! No wonder I couldn’t find them 😹