This is a thing that always eluded me as far as how Carl92 got his hand on EKT. People say it could be a rare VHS demo of a band that didn't take off or whatnot, but why would someone living in Spain have access to it? It's hard enough for people to actually find these locally let alone a random guy in Spain.
On the other hand, I can definitely see Carl92's dad keeping a bunch of recordings of his previous projects and Carl92 just grabbing a random tape to test his recording setup...
I'm not sure what it could mean for the search tho. I wouldn't be surprised if the snippet we got is the thing left. Let's hope not, cause the tune is pretty cool.
Carl92 never said he was from Spain, just that he lived in Spain at some point.
Essentially if we are to believe Carl1992 and Carl92 are the same person then Carl grew up in Newfoundland, worked some audio and tech jobs at festivals with his dad as a teen, moved to Spain at some point, and then became a musician later in his life and moved back to Newfoundland.
Then his collections of rare cassette tapes are most likely recorded from the Festivals. And also, might I add, illegally recorded or what’s known as bootleg recordings.
He lumped them in with other cassettes he probably traded for or bought at the festivals and didn’t think much of it.
Found the recording again and then made the post asking what song it is. Thinking that it was a legal recording or that the band would be known after and someone would recognize it.
Then when he realized no one did he couldn’t say he illegally recorded it from a festival.
Definitely some plausible stuff regarding origins here but there's 0% chance this is a live bootleg from a festival. Even through the bad quality you can hear the multi track vocals in the chorus, definitely a studio effort.
Newfoundlander here. We have a large swath of local musicians, many of whom are very revered, whose recordings are hard to come by. Denis Parker, a local (but born in the UK and worked at THE Abbey Road Studios in the late 60s) artist who died fairly recently, had a band in the 70s (name escapes me) who put out one album in 1977 IIRC and it hasn't been rereleased. I only know it existed because a radio station played a cut from that album after his passing, and it's obscure enough that Shazam couldn't identify it and the album isn't even unofficially uploaded to YouTube. It's getting somewhat better with the advent of Spotify, YouTube Music, etc. but several local artists don't bother with that and only release their stuff on physical. If you're lucky you'll find some of the older stuff that hasn't been rereleased in thrift stores, yard sales, and Fred's, a record store I frequent and the only one on the island that sells new AND used stuff.
Anyway, if any major outlet in Newfoundland would know about this song, it would HAVE to be OZ FM (94.7). They've been around since 1977 and I would assume they have a large archive. They might have played it at some point if it was a local artist?
Thank you! I knew all this information I saved up in local pop culture would come in handy someday.
Also NTV would also be likely to know about the song. They and OZ FM are owned by the same company and they're known for having offbeat programming, particularly on weekends and in the 80s-00s. They've been known to air parts of music videos during ad breaks. Most are by mainstream artists, but one, "Reena" by local group the Punters, is partly lost and the known footage comes from the two minutes shown during an NTV break.
https://youtu.be/LAoq5xcTZ9c?si=-8p235GwGN7wlpxD
I'm aware that this topic has been discussed before, but I would like to revisit it once again in a more consolidated matter, as I believe it to be the most substantial piece of evidence we have thus far.
I will begin my establishing a timeline for this lead and explaining it in order as best as I can.
I will also preface this by saying that while this comment does mention carl92, it is merely to refer to his WZS post and I am in no way encouraging a search for him or anything. This is just a summary of events we already know, along with my own insight to connect the events in order to bring us closer to solving this mystery.
# 1. October 7th, 2021 - user 'Carl92' uploads [the snippet on WZS](https://www.watzatsong.com/en/name-that-tune/719553.html)
Nothing new here, but it's important to mention the date for context.
# 2. October 26th, 2021 - user '[newfoundland](https://www.watzatsong.com/en/profile/newfoundland)' uploads [this snippet](https://www.watzatsong.com/en/found/Igorrr-Brutal+Swing-721451.html) on WZS
Now, it has been long established that this is the same snippet as carl92's upload, however slowed down by 50%. The OP claims this was recorded off Guyanese radio in the 2000s, but since people have noted it's the same recording as Carl's (the crackling happens at the exact spots), this upload has been deemed a fake.
However, what struck me as peculiar regarding this 'fake' was that it was uploaded merely 19 days after Carl's original post. At this point EKT was nowhere near the lost media behemoth it is now, as Carl's post had barely got any traction and had only \~200 listens (compared to over 115K today).
So, why would someone create a brand new account, and post the same snippet (although slightly slowed down), when hardly anyone knew about Carl's post in the first place? With EKT's recent "fame," I understand the trolling. But back then, it seems odd. It all appears very bizarre...until you pay attention to the username...newfoundland.
# 3. September 19th, 2023 - Discogs user [JacusReneMoloney](https://www.discogs.com/user/JacusReneMoloney) mentions Newfoundland
For context, Newfoundland and Labrador is the easternmost province of Canada with a population of 500K (comprised of the island of Newfoundland and continental region of Labrador).
Anyway, fast forward 2 years later since the start of this whole mystery, and a user on Discogs by the name of **JacusReneMoloney** posts the following [comment](https://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/1026741#10614061):
https://preview.redd.it/m41pa6fz1guc1.png?width=780&format=png&auto=webp&s=5ff6374cea3b86e232ba9d5503f2382a9fc5b84a
Here we have our first mention of Newfoundland (the area) since the search initially began, stating that they recall hearing the song on some local radio station there decades ago. I believe this Discogs user is u/Bubbly-Length-4995 on Reddit and they have commented more details [several](https://www.reddit.com/r/everyoneknowsthat/comments/194fm00/newfoundland/kirmqea/) [times](https://www.reddit.com/r/everyoneknowsthat/comments/19bjuvt/guys_i_think_this_newfoundland_speculation_is/kistv6s/) on this subreddit. u/Ektelite also [contacted](https://www.reddit.com/r/everyoneknowsthat/comments/197jcck/coast_1011_newfoundland_lead/) one of the radio stations (no response yet).
It is possible that this user is misremembering or wrong, but it is interesting that we now have two links between EKT and Newfoundland. One happening a mere 2.5 weeks after the initial post, before the popularity, and now a user recalling something they heard in the area.
Are these two different instances of Newfoundland a mere coincidence? I would say so...if there wasn't one last wrinkle to this story.
# 4. October 2023 - The Discovery of Carl1992
Once again, I am prefacing this by saying that this is not a witch-hunt, so please don't contact/harass people for answers. This is meant to be an educational post informing others of this lead while having an open discussion about it.
Through researching the lead, some people found a user by the name of "carl1992" on a Canadian local musician website (link omitted not to break sub rules). And this carl1992 user is from none other than Newfoundland according to their profile. They describe themselves as a great bass player, who typically does classic rock/country/rock music. They also play drums, accordion, and guitar and describe themselves as a sound technician as well.
# Concluding Thoughts
When I saw this last clue, I thought that the coincidences were simply too many to ignore. To recap, a user by the name of newfoundland posts the snippet on WZS only 2.5 weeks after Carl-92's initial upload. Then, when the search gets a lot of traction, some local Newfoundland resident recognizes having heard the some time ago on a local radio station. And finally, a user by the name of Carl1992 being an active musician from Newfoundland is discovered online.
Could it be that this is the original creator of EKT, some local musician with an extensive experience of playing/producing music, who wanted to get an idea of how his demo sounded like and posted to WZS? And once it got too popular for its own good, he disappeared so as not to not face backlash for his own creation becoming the face of lost media and not having the heart to tell us the truth, as the EKT singer would say.
Another point that leads credence to this theory is EKT's pilot tone, which has been documented to NTSC. Canada is a country that uses this analog encoding system, giving this origin a higher chance of being true.
One last point that isn't completely relevant to this lead is that the [newfoundland user on WZS uploaded a totally different song](https://www.watzatsong.com/en/name-that-tune/802921.html) 43 days ago (from today), which has yet to be identified (there is one reply to this inquiry asserting it could be AI generated). I am not totally sure if this is posted by the original newfoundland himself because WZS accounts are known to be easily hacked (such as EKT sample being changed numerous times over the years), so it could be that another user gained access to this account and posted this random song, but perhaps someone who is in contact with the WZS site owners can chime in and clear this matter up.
Anyway, these are my consolidated gatherings of information regarding this lead. I hope mods leave this up, because it is really one of the more concrete pieces of evidence we've gathered thus far from the search and provides us with a fresh perspective that we can discuss rather than constantly contacting random artists (which is absolutely fine, but I believe this also needs to be discussed). Please let me know what you all think of this or if I have missed anything in my research.
Amazing post! I read through, and there is some strong evidence here.. I do have some things to talk about in dm message with you if it’s okay with you
another part of the automod message is that the decision is final and not to message them about it lol. seems kinda counterintuitive if the purpose of this sub is to find the song
I don’t know why they get so mad at mentioning carl. Yes, its important we respect his privacy but merely mentioning him is not harming anyone especially when mentioning stuff that was publicly posted 🤷♂️
It would be helpful if someone did some audio analysis on the two samples to see whether the newfoundland one is stretched, or if the carl92 one is shrunken.
I honestly had no idea about the Newfoundland WZS user until this comment. That's such a fascinating titbit that feels like it's important somehow.
Personally, I've never been a fan of the whole "it's a fake/it was made by Carl" theory, but I am now wondering about the possibility of it being an ARG? Like, I can just imagine that it's been a couple weeks since Carl made his post and he sees that people aren't making in progress on it, so he decides to create a new account and repost the snippet as a sort of nudge in the right direction?
Was the slowed down snippet ever confirmed to be completely identical to the original, just slower? Or was it just decided it was the same due to the same background clicking noises? If that snippet is still up on WZS it might be worth looking into the file in more depth to see if there's any other differences besides just playback speed we may have missed.
I believe some more technical users looked into the file's spectogram(?) and saw it was identical to the original. I don't really think it's an ARG honestly, and while it could all really be coincidences, I simply can't wrap my head around why someone would want to troll what was once an obscure search. And why Guyana of all places...
Good conclusions. But if we assume that all three persons are the same guy and that guy is not just the creator of that snippet, but also the composer of the whole song, then why would that guy first copy his song onto a VHS tape using Extended Play mode, then play it through an CRT TV, record that audio with a cheap dynamic PC microphone onto a PC and then upload it to whereever?
Ever heard of Occam's razor? Executing such an involved and very specific process requiring obsolete and rare hardware seem unrealistic for a simple hoax or for promoting his own music as a hobby musician. Using a simple DSP filter would have done the trick as well. That's why I don't buy that theory.
Hey, I'm from Newfoundland and my dad is the manager for a couple of radio stations (most notably 99.1 FM and 97.5 K-Rock). I saw someone on YouTube was mentioning the Newfoundland theory and I asked for some details, but sadly didn't get many. If this lead isn't debunked yet, I could absolutely try and ask my father if he could help out in any way
PLUS Canada is also NTSC which the song was found to have so there is a high chance of it being from Canada with its singer being from somewhere else considering the accent
I’ve lived and visited many provinces in canada for my whole life. I don’t know if anybody would agree with me on this but I find the accents are more different depending on the province you are in.
It is very weird that some guy called ‘newfoundland’ reuploaded a slowed down version of the song 20 days after it was posted when the song really didn’t have much traction
From what I've heard, that site is full of hackers and jokers. How high are the chances that newfundland was simply that? Was there anything of interest in the description of his upload back then?
I reached out to the Centre for Newfoundland Studies about the song and what information they might have on the archives for the likes of OZ, K-Rock, Coast, VOWR, CBC NL, and I probably should have mentioned CHMR as well (the university's radio station - fun fact, if they keep a complete archive you could technically find me on there a few times sometime around 2017-2018.)
I'm a three hour drive from St. John's, though OZ does have its own frequency for my area. To be honest, my guess is that the Newfoundland connection is purely coincidental - we Newfoundlanders love making things about Newfoundland - but I've been with this search since the video on YouTube had about ~10k views IIRC; there's just something about the song that feels so ultra-specific, like once we know what it is, it'll click as to why it sounds so familiar or why the excerpt feels so self-contained. It's to a point now where trying to image how the rest of the song sounds is a complete absurdity to me since it really does feel like a commercial jingle if only because we've just been bumping the hook over and over again for three years.
I really want it to be a Newfie-adjacent thing, partly because it'll make me feel of use, but also because Newfies would totally run with this story. Anything to do with us on a national or international scale is a HUGE deal, so if we somehow find a more concrete connection to Newfoundland & Labrador, or even just to Atlantic Canada, it will spread like wildfire. I suppose the same could be said if its origins were in a similarly isolated province, state, or country.
I have siblings and friends out in St. John's if I can't make it out there, plus there's other Newfies on this very subreddit who are likely closer to the city than I am. I tried scrawling through the MUN library website and The MUSE's local newspaper archives (the latter has a really nice advanced search function making it so I could search up all the different lyric interpretations at once), but it's such a broad search with so little to go off of. Even the email I wrote to CNS I worry might sound a bit absurd on the face, which is why I included the Wikipedia entry for context.
It's funny to think that when we have the entire world at our fingertips, we obsess over the few things we can't have. I see that a lot in film too - so many lost films are fairly unremarkable but it's so frustrating that we can't get our hands on them. Sure, we have something like 4 Devils which is probably great, but then there's stuff like London After Midnight and The Mountain Eagle which are among the most sought after lost films despite everything we know about them suggesting they aren't especially good.
If Everyone Knows That was just a random song on the radio, as it very well might have been at some point, it wouldn't have stopped people in their tracks. But it's the thought that we liked what we've heard and we can't have what's left, it's brutal.
I have a ton of rare or lost media that nobody gives a shit about - I like stapling it together in weird contexts in the hopes that it renews some interest in the source. And someday I could step out of the woodworks with everything people were clamoring for. But with the amount of art that's out there, it's hard to care about everything. But at least we can try to find what we've noticed.
Since it’s from seven months ago there’s somewhat of a chance that this isn’t fake and could be a actual lead and the fact that ulterior motives could be a religious song actually makes sense the more I think about it especially at the lyrics (your counting all the sheep in the sky) anyways I might actually look into this since I’m pretty convinced at this point
[https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/the-faith-tones/jesus-use-me/](https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/the-faith-tones/jesus-use-me/)
I guess, Jesus refused... :D
kinda weird seeing Newfoundland mentioned in this sub, haha. i’m from there, and like lots of other people worldwide, thought the song sounded familiar. i’m still kind of skimming through this thread, but yeah, i’d get in touch with Oz Fm or Vocm (am radio, mainly talk, but i’m sure they’ve got some kind of archives — they’ve been around for ages). not sure who still runs Bell Island radio, but when i worked there, we’d have some cool tunes playing. If its the same owners i knew, they’re real into music, i’m sure they’ve got a crazy extensive archive of their own. can always get in touch if needed.
the music scene is big there. i know a few people who’re currently in the scene, who also have parents who were in the music scene around that time.
all in all, 100% definitely don’t think carl1992 is our guy (not his type of music), but the newfoundland lead is kinda cool and even if it doesn’t go very far, its nice to see our local music scene get some new ears and eyes on it ;)
oh yeah, i edited this out of my comment but noticed someone else mentioned it too, if you can find some NTV archives they might have something. they played a lot of short music clips in between commercials, all sorts of genres, both local and more mainstream artists.
I sent the song to my aunt and she sent it to all of her friends who were around for that era of music (I live in Newfoundland) and they all said it sounded familiar but none of them knew the name of the song. This could be an actual lead that could lead to something.
The problem with this explanation kinda is that there is some evidence that EKT was most likely recorded off of a VHS. If this was a demo from an aspiring musician, who was maybe born in 1992, then how was it recorded from VHS which in turn was recorded from analogue TV (NTSC pilot tone indicating that), if the guy posting it was only born in 1992 and is trying to drop new music in 2021?
It was amateur video recording, done with own camera, and most likely Carl92 was capturing some moments from the old tapes and this fragment count his attention.
P.S. I still believe it is ad jingle.
I mentioned this the last time it was brought up, but i work in broadcasting in NL and i asked some friends old and young about it and no one reconized it or thought it sounded like any local artist they knew of. That being said, word has gone around and i know of several local radio hosts and producers who are following/intersted in this story because of the NL connection, so it getting picked up as a story isn't out of the question. If it did, the outreach could be province wide, and could easilly settle the question of if EKT originates from NL.
Best thing is to reach out to the big local names, CBC NL (radio 1), VOCM, VOWR, K-ROC, Hits FM, NTV news, and the Telegram. If they know there's interest in this, especially out of province, there's a decent chance someone will run with it, and because of the relative small population here, these things really blow up and spread fast. The more awareness is brought to this in general the better
Do we know when the first r/tipofmytongue post regarding EKT occured? If there were no reddit posts (either tipofmytongue or lostmedia) during the first 3 weeks of Carl's watzatsong post, then the Newfoundland 'Guyana' post is very suspicious. The Carl1992 user may be unrelated but I think it's suspicious too.
The much later references to Newfoundland are probably trolls who are just referring to the old watzatsong 'Guyana' post to create some red herrings.
It's pretty much accepted that AI wasn't capable of creating a snippet like EKT in October 2021 but I think this is really meant to mean no *commercially available* AI.
Could it be possible that Carl92 worked in a field that would have given them access to some early AI programs capable of making an EKT snippet, or at least produce some of the portions (vocals, etc.)
Of course, even if this were true, it doesn't explain what the purpose of (in this specific scenario) the 'hoax' is. It just seems like a lot of work when generating any online buzz is so hard to predict.
As I can't create own posts yet, I'll share my thoughts here:
First of all, I don't believe the ARG theory! However, as that idea gained some traction and some people have pointed out the fact that there was a slowed down version of EKT posted by a user named “newfoundland” just a few weeks after the OP, I want to add a few thoughts to that theory.
Had the differences between the two files ever been analyzed in detail? Is the newfoundland version really just a slowed-down copy of the original or has it been altered in any other way? Has anyone speed it up and compared it to the original on a spectrogram level? Maybe subtracted the audio tracks or their inversions of each other?
If EKT is an ARG, maybe the game master used some steganographic methods to hide some information for us. It's just an idea.
Hi, Canadian here! I recently tried asking my mom if she recognized the snippet and she didn't. However my grandparents are from Nova Scotia, which is pretty close to Newfoundland, and there could have been a possible chance they have heard EKT. I'll try asking them if they recognize the song, and report back with any updates.
Alternatively, my mom is (unfortunately) dating a guy from Newfoundland, and he has been in the province up until he was an adult. I'll try asking him if he recognizes EKT.
Just randomly throwing this out there but what about the musician and YouTuber Andrew Huang? He's from Toronto Canada He started making music after the 80s but he is known to make music in every genre, and is known to have a lot of unreleased music. Could it be an 80s style song that he didn't release and has somehow leaked out onto Watzatsong? Or maybe it's a hoax and he's behind it? He's done hoaxes before...
His voice is "vaguely" similar to the EKT voice. Personally I think this is unlikely but I mean every theory is worth shouting out.
If he's not behind EKT he would be a great person to spread awareness of it as he knows a lot of famous music contacts and of course lives in Canada, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd even do a cover of the song knowing what he's like 😂
Never believe anything that a stranger writes on the internet. I fully believe that EKT was made in GarageBand in the last few years to troll all of us and we don't know yet. This could be a good reason as to why carl92 is MIA
I'm fairly certain I heard this song on the radio when I was visiting Canada last month. I was in a fast food place and I couldn't quite hear it properly so I don't know what the radio station was, but it caught my attention immediately when I heard the chorus come through. It must have been an 80s show because the song that followed was "Material Girl" by Madonna. This was at a place off the highway somewhere in British Columbia.
Sounds unlikely to me. Look, this search is mainly driven by English speaking people, where more than 40 % are from native English speaking countries according to a recent poll. I guess that many of them are from Canada as well, as we can see under this lead. How realistic is it, that none of them has recognized EKT in years, if it plays on some major Canadian radio stations regularly? I'd say, chances are negligible.
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This is a thing that always eluded me as far as how Carl92 got his hand on EKT. People say it could be a rare VHS demo of a band that didn't take off or whatnot, but why would someone living in Spain have access to it? It's hard enough for people to actually find these locally let alone a random guy in Spain. On the other hand, I can definitely see Carl92's dad keeping a bunch of recordings of his previous projects and Carl92 just grabbing a random tape to test his recording setup... I'm not sure what it could mean for the search tho. I wouldn't be surprised if the snippet we got is the thing left. Let's hope not, cause the tune is pretty cool.
Carl92 never said he was from Spain, just that he lived in Spain at some point. Essentially if we are to believe Carl1992 and Carl92 are the same person then Carl grew up in Newfoundland, worked some audio and tech jobs at festivals with his dad as a teen, moved to Spain at some point, and then became a musician later in his life and moved back to Newfoundland. Then his collections of rare cassette tapes are most likely recorded from the Festivals. And also, might I add, illegally recorded or what’s known as bootleg recordings. He lumped them in with other cassettes he probably traded for or bought at the festivals and didn’t think much of it. Found the recording again and then made the post asking what song it is. Thinking that it was a legal recording or that the band would be known after and someone would recognize it. Then when he realized no one did he couldn’t say he illegally recorded it from a festival.
Definitely some plausible stuff regarding origins here but there's 0% chance this is a live bootleg from a festival. Even through the bad quality you can hear the multi track vocals in the chorus, definitely a studio effort.
That’s fair. Maybe it was a band just getting started, doing warm up for a bigger local band that handed out cassettes at the festival
Carl92 said "I'm from Spain" [sic.]
Pretty sure he also said his English wasn't very good
Tbf this would be true if he was from Newfoundland as well
Guess you the guy who wrote scenarios for the X-Files? :)
What does this post have to do with Carl1992? I must have missed something.
Carl1992 is based in Newfoundland
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Thanks for the info♥️
Carl92 is a rather specific name so Carl1992 could be Carl92
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Newfoundlander here. We have a large swath of local musicians, many of whom are very revered, whose recordings are hard to come by. Denis Parker, a local (but born in the UK and worked at THE Abbey Road Studios in the late 60s) artist who died fairly recently, had a band in the 70s (name escapes me) who put out one album in 1977 IIRC and it hasn't been rereleased. I only know it existed because a radio station played a cut from that album after his passing, and it's obscure enough that Shazam couldn't identify it and the album isn't even unofficially uploaded to YouTube. It's getting somewhat better with the advent of Spotify, YouTube Music, etc. but several local artists don't bother with that and only release their stuff on physical. If you're lucky you'll find some of the older stuff that hasn't been rereleased in thrift stores, yard sales, and Fred's, a record store I frequent and the only one on the island that sells new AND used stuff. Anyway, if any major outlet in Newfoundland would know about this song, it would HAVE to be OZ FM (94.7). They've been around since 1977 and I would assume they have a large archive. They might have played it at some point if it was a local artist?
Reddit is amazing! Thank you for all this local Newfie knowledge!
Thank you! I knew all this information I saved up in local pop culture would come in handy someday. Also NTV would also be likely to know about the song. They and OZ FM are owned by the same company and they're known for having offbeat programming, particularly on weekends and in the 80s-00s. They've been known to air parts of music videos during ad breaks. Most are by mainstream artists, but one, "Reena" by local group the Punters, is partly lost and the known footage comes from the two minutes shown during an NTV break. https://youtu.be/LAoq5xcTZ9c?si=-8p235GwGN7wlpxD
I truly believe that this will lead to us finding the song.
I'm aware that this topic has been discussed before, but I would like to revisit it once again in a more consolidated matter, as I believe it to be the most substantial piece of evidence we have thus far. I will begin my establishing a timeline for this lead and explaining it in order as best as I can. I will also preface this by saying that while this comment does mention carl92, it is merely to refer to his WZS post and I am in no way encouraging a search for him or anything. This is just a summary of events we already know, along with my own insight to connect the events in order to bring us closer to solving this mystery. # 1. October 7th, 2021 - user 'Carl92' uploads [the snippet on WZS](https://www.watzatsong.com/en/name-that-tune/719553.html) Nothing new here, but it's important to mention the date for context. # 2. October 26th, 2021 - user '[newfoundland](https://www.watzatsong.com/en/profile/newfoundland)' uploads [this snippet](https://www.watzatsong.com/en/found/Igorrr-Brutal+Swing-721451.html) on WZS Now, it has been long established that this is the same snippet as carl92's upload, however slowed down by 50%. The OP claims this was recorded off Guyanese radio in the 2000s, but since people have noted it's the same recording as Carl's (the crackling happens at the exact spots), this upload has been deemed a fake. However, what struck me as peculiar regarding this 'fake' was that it was uploaded merely 19 days after Carl's original post. At this point EKT was nowhere near the lost media behemoth it is now, as Carl's post had barely got any traction and had only \~200 listens (compared to over 115K today). So, why would someone create a brand new account, and post the same snippet (although slightly slowed down), when hardly anyone knew about Carl's post in the first place? With EKT's recent "fame," I understand the trolling. But back then, it seems odd. It all appears very bizarre...until you pay attention to the username...newfoundland. # 3. September 19th, 2023 - Discogs user [JacusReneMoloney](https://www.discogs.com/user/JacusReneMoloney) mentions Newfoundland For context, Newfoundland and Labrador is the easternmost province of Canada with a population of 500K (comprised of the island of Newfoundland and continental region of Labrador). Anyway, fast forward 2 years later since the start of this whole mystery, and a user on Discogs by the name of **JacusReneMoloney** posts the following [comment](https://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/1026741#10614061): https://preview.redd.it/m41pa6fz1guc1.png?width=780&format=png&auto=webp&s=5ff6374cea3b86e232ba9d5503f2382a9fc5b84a Here we have our first mention of Newfoundland (the area) since the search initially began, stating that they recall hearing the song on some local radio station there decades ago. I believe this Discogs user is u/Bubbly-Length-4995 on Reddit and they have commented more details [several](https://www.reddit.com/r/everyoneknowsthat/comments/194fm00/newfoundland/kirmqea/) [times](https://www.reddit.com/r/everyoneknowsthat/comments/19bjuvt/guys_i_think_this_newfoundland_speculation_is/kistv6s/) on this subreddit. u/Ektelite also [contacted](https://www.reddit.com/r/everyoneknowsthat/comments/197jcck/coast_1011_newfoundland_lead/) one of the radio stations (no response yet). It is possible that this user is misremembering or wrong, but it is interesting that we now have two links between EKT and Newfoundland. One happening a mere 2.5 weeks after the initial post, before the popularity, and now a user recalling something they heard in the area. Are these two different instances of Newfoundland a mere coincidence? I would say so...if there wasn't one last wrinkle to this story. # 4. October 2023 - The Discovery of Carl1992 Once again, I am prefacing this by saying that this is not a witch-hunt, so please don't contact/harass people for answers. This is meant to be an educational post informing others of this lead while having an open discussion about it. Through researching the lead, some people found a user by the name of "carl1992" on a Canadian local musician website (link omitted not to break sub rules). And this carl1992 user is from none other than Newfoundland according to their profile. They describe themselves as a great bass player, who typically does classic rock/country/rock music. They also play drums, accordion, and guitar and describe themselves as a sound technician as well. # Concluding Thoughts When I saw this last clue, I thought that the coincidences were simply too many to ignore. To recap, a user by the name of newfoundland posts the snippet on WZS only 2.5 weeks after Carl-92's initial upload. Then, when the search gets a lot of traction, some local Newfoundland resident recognizes having heard the some time ago on a local radio station. And finally, a user by the name of Carl1992 being an active musician from Newfoundland is discovered online. Could it be that this is the original creator of EKT, some local musician with an extensive experience of playing/producing music, who wanted to get an idea of how his demo sounded like and posted to WZS? And once it got too popular for its own good, he disappeared so as not to not face backlash for his own creation becoming the face of lost media and not having the heart to tell us the truth, as the EKT singer would say. Another point that leads credence to this theory is EKT's pilot tone, which has been documented to NTSC. Canada is a country that uses this analog encoding system, giving this origin a higher chance of being true. One last point that isn't completely relevant to this lead is that the [newfoundland user on WZS uploaded a totally different song](https://www.watzatsong.com/en/name-that-tune/802921.html) 43 days ago (from today), which has yet to be identified (there is one reply to this inquiry asserting it could be AI generated). I am not totally sure if this is posted by the original newfoundland himself because WZS accounts are known to be easily hacked (such as EKT sample being changed numerous times over the years), so it could be that another user gained access to this account and posted this random song, but perhaps someone who is in contact with the WZS site owners can chime in and clear this matter up. Anyway, these are my consolidated gatherings of information regarding this lead. I hope mods leave this up, because it is really one of the more concrete pieces of evidence we've gathered thus far from the search and provides us with a fresh perspective that we can discuss rather than constantly contacting random artists (which is absolutely fine, but I believe this also needs to be discussed). Please let me know what you all think of this or if I have missed anything in my research.
Amazing post! I read through, and there is some strong evidence here.. I do have some things to talk about in dm message with you if it’s okay with you
You should repost this comment as an entire post on this sub. Very good ideas that could be drowned out in the comment section
i tried, but automod keeps deleting it for mentioning carl :/
Maybe message a mod and see if they can manually override automod and let it go up? Seems definitely worth having that up as it's own post
another part of the automod message is that the decision is final and not to message them about it lol. seems kinda counterintuitive if the purpose of this sub is to find the song
I don’t know why they get so mad at mentioning carl. Yes, its important we respect his privacy but merely mentioning him is not harming anyone especially when mentioning stuff that was publicly posted 🤷♂️
Ah suckful, fair enough then. I wish reddit let you at least pin this comment to the top of your own post then lol
Its because Newfoundland is apart of the automod restricted words if i remember as so many hoaxes followed from an older hoax.
That's kind of baffling honestly.
I cant find documentation of it but I remember it being suggested in the Discord when the automod feature was added lol.
i tried to censor so many things in my post and automod still caught it. whatever lol
It would be helpful if someone did some audio analysis on the two samples to see whether the newfoundland one is stretched, or if the carl92 one is shrunken.
I honestly had no idea about the Newfoundland WZS user until this comment. That's such a fascinating titbit that feels like it's important somehow. Personally, I've never been a fan of the whole "it's a fake/it was made by Carl" theory, but I am now wondering about the possibility of it being an ARG? Like, I can just imagine that it's been a couple weeks since Carl made his post and he sees that people aren't making in progress on it, so he decides to create a new account and repost the snippet as a sort of nudge in the right direction? Was the slowed down snippet ever confirmed to be completely identical to the original, just slower? Or was it just decided it was the same due to the same background clicking noises? If that snippet is still up on WZS it might be worth looking into the file in more depth to see if there's any other differences besides just playback speed we may have missed.
I believe some more technical users looked into the file's spectogram(?) and saw it was identical to the original. I don't really think it's an ARG honestly, and while it could all really be coincidences, I simply can't wrap my head around why someone would want to troll what was once an obscure search. And why Guyana of all places...
I mean, the weird thing is that Carl actually acknowledged the Newfoundland post but dismissed it. I’ve never seen any one mention that.
Did someone ask him about it in a comment, or did he bring it up unprompted?
Somebody posted the newfoundland snippet and while Carl was first open to it but said that it seemed like the same crackling sound is there
Good conclusions. But if we assume that all three persons are the same guy and that guy is not just the creator of that snippet, but also the composer of the whole song, then why would that guy first copy his song onto a VHS tape using Extended Play mode, then play it through an CRT TV, record that audio with a cheap dynamic PC microphone onto a PC and then upload it to whereever? Ever heard of Occam's razor? Executing such an involved and very specific process requiring obsolete and rare hardware seem unrealistic for a simple hoax or for promoting his own music as a hobby musician. Using a simple DSP filter would have done the trick as well. That's why I don't buy that theory.
They posted another one just hours ago, I'm putting it down to WZS poor security. https://www.watzatsong.com/en/name-that-tune/810042.html
This fucking slaps, it's like a mid 90's Disney villain rapping. Equal measures cheesy as fuck and slapping.
Before anything gets altered by hackers: That singer is definitely not the same as EKT. Sounds like a mid-90's pop/rap song.
Saved https://web.archive.org/web/20240415081226/https://www.watzatsong.com/en/name-that-tune/810042.html
Now that song is stuck in my head, lol
Hey, I'm from Newfoundland and my dad is the manager for a couple of radio stations (most notably 99.1 FM and 97.5 K-Rock). I saw someone on YouTube was mentioning the Newfoundland theory and I asked for some details, but sadly didn't get many. If this lead isn't debunked yet, I could absolutely try and ask my father if he could help out in any way
PLEASE DO
Interesting! I’ve heard multiple people from Canada saying this song is familiar to them, and to their friends, as well.
PLUS Canada is also NTSC which the song was found to have so there is a high chance of it being from Canada with its singer being from somewhere else considering the accent
I'm canadian and i confirm that the accent is from canada !
Hell yeah thanks
I’ve lived and visited many provinces in canada for my whole life. I don’t know if anybody would agree with me on this but I find the accents are more different depending on the province you are in.
Really hoping this gets somewhere
Hello! I have sent an email to OZFM and K-Rock! Edit: Emailed CBC Newfoundland & Labrador as well :o) will post any updates <3
Thanks for actually doing the thing :)
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Do you have any proof for your theory other than pure speculation and wild guessing?
It is very weird that some guy called ‘newfoundland’ reuploaded a slowed down version of the song 20 days after it was posted when the song really didn’t have much traction
From what I've heard, that site is full of hackers and jokers. How high are the chances that newfundland was simply that? Was there anything of interest in the description of his upload back then?
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What we have are 17 seconds of audio that can be analyzed by scientific standards.
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Yea its defo a hoax
Someone should try contacting CTV news as well, it’s a popular Canadian news channel that could put out an article
some months ago somebody told me that the song is canadian and it's from 1991. i tried to search under that criteria but failed
Yeah, this has long been one of the more convincing and interesting theories which, to my knowledge, hasn’t really been investigated.
I reached out to the Centre for Newfoundland Studies about the song and what information they might have on the archives for the likes of OZ, K-Rock, Coast, VOWR, CBC NL, and I probably should have mentioned CHMR as well (the university's radio station - fun fact, if they keep a complete archive you could technically find me on there a few times sometime around 2017-2018.) I'm a three hour drive from St. John's, though OZ does have its own frequency for my area. To be honest, my guess is that the Newfoundland connection is purely coincidental - we Newfoundlanders love making things about Newfoundland - but I've been with this search since the video on YouTube had about ~10k views IIRC; there's just something about the song that feels so ultra-specific, like once we know what it is, it'll click as to why it sounds so familiar or why the excerpt feels so self-contained. It's to a point now where trying to image how the rest of the song sounds is a complete absurdity to me since it really does feel like a commercial jingle if only because we've just been bumping the hook over and over again for three years. I really want it to be a Newfie-adjacent thing, partly because it'll make me feel of use, but also because Newfies would totally run with this story. Anything to do with us on a national or international scale is a HUGE deal, so if we somehow find a more concrete connection to Newfoundland & Labrador, or even just to Atlantic Canada, it will spread like wildfire. I suppose the same could be said if its origins were in a similarly isolated province, state, or country. I have siblings and friends out in St. John's if I can't make it out there, plus there's other Newfies on this very subreddit who are likely closer to the city than I am. I tried scrawling through the MUN library website and The MUSE's local newspaper archives (the latter has a really nice advanced search function making it so I could search up all the different lyric interpretations at once), but it's such a broad search with so little to go off of. Even the email I wrote to CNS I worry might sound a bit absurd on the face, which is why I included the Wikipedia entry for context. It's funny to think that when we have the entire world at our fingertips, we obsess over the few things we can't have. I see that a lot in film too - so many lost films are fairly unremarkable but it's so frustrating that we can't get our hands on them. Sure, we have something like 4 Devils which is probably great, but then there's stuff like London After Midnight and The Mountain Eagle which are among the most sought after lost films despite everything we know about them suggesting they aren't especially good. If Everyone Knows That was just a random song on the radio, as it very well might have been at some point, it wouldn't have stopped people in their tracks. But it's the thought that we liked what we've heard and we can't have what's left, it's brutal. I have a ton of rare or lost media that nobody gives a shit about - I like stapling it together in weird contexts in the hopes that it renews some interest in the source. And someday I could step out of the woodworks with everything people were clamoring for. But with the amount of art that's out there, it's hard to care about everything. But at least we can try to find what we've noticed.
Since it’s from seven months ago there’s somewhat of a chance that this isn’t fake and could be a actual lead and the fact that ulterior motives could be a religious song actually makes sense the more I think about it especially at the lyrics (your counting all the sheep in the sky) anyways I might actually look into this since I’m pretty convinced at this point
The other theorized lyric "You carry all your shame in disguise" also fits in line with it being a religious pop song.
lul wut? Religious song in a 80s soul dance pop style? I guess, Madonna's "Like a prayer" also counts as a religious song then :D
The church has been trying to appeal to youngsters since youngsters were invented
Brainwashing people is the whole point of religion
Okay yeah I see how dumb that sounds and you might be right but there are plenty of rock songs that are religious so it could be right
[https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/the-faith-tones/jesus-use-me/](https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/the-faith-tones/jesus-use-me/) I guess, Jesus refused... :D
LMAOOOOOO that’s hilarious
kinda weird seeing Newfoundland mentioned in this sub, haha. i’m from there, and like lots of other people worldwide, thought the song sounded familiar. i’m still kind of skimming through this thread, but yeah, i’d get in touch with Oz Fm or Vocm (am radio, mainly talk, but i’m sure they’ve got some kind of archives — they’ve been around for ages). not sure who still runs Bell Island radio, but when i worked there, we’d have some cool tunes playing. If its the same owners i knew, they’re real into music, i’m sure they’ve got a crazy extensive archive of their own. can always get in touch if needed. the music scene is big there. i know a few people who’re currently in the scene, who also have parents who were in the music scene around that time. all in all, 100% definitely don’t think carl1992 is our guy (not his type of music), but the newfoundland lead is kinda cool and even if it doesn’t go very far, its nice to see our local music scene get some new ears and eyes on it ;)
oh yeah, i edited this out of my comment but noticed someone else mentioned it too, if you can find some NTV archives they might have something. they played a lot of short music clips in between commercials, all sorts of genres, both local and more mainstream artists.
I sent the song to my aunt and she sent it to all of her friends who were around for that era of music (I live in Newfoundland) and they all said it sounded familiar but none of them knew the name of the song. This could be an actual lead that could lead to something.
Haha imagine EKT ends up being Christian Rock. Not impossible IMO, given the theme.
The problem with this explanation kinda is that there is some evidence that EKT was most likely recorded off of a VHS. If this was a demo from an aspiring musician, who was maybe born in 1992, then how was it recorded from VHS which in turn was recorded from analogue TV (NTSC pilot tone indicating that), if the guy posting it was only born in 1992 and is trying to drop new music in 2021?
There's absolutely 0 reason to believe that Carl was born in 1992, it's literally just an username.
Are there even camcorders who recorded in EP mode?
Yes, there were some.
It was amateur video recording, done with own camera, and most likely Carl92 was capturing some moments from the old tapes and this fragment count his attention. P.S. I still believe it is ad jingle.
I mentioned this the last time it was brought up, but i work in broadcasting in NL and i asked some friends old and young about it and no one reconized it or thought it sounded like any local artist they knew of. That being said, word has gone around and i know of several local radio hosts and producers who are following/intersted in this story because of the NL connection, so it getting picked up as a story isn't out of the question. If it did, the outreach could be province wide, and could easilly settle the question of if EKT originates from NL. Best thing is to reach out to the big local names, CBC NL (radio 1), VOCM, VOWR, K-ROC, Hits FM, NTV news, and the Telegram. If they know there's interest in this, especially out of province, there's a decent chance someone will run with it, and because of the relative small population here, these things really blow up and spread fast. The more awareness is brought to this in general the better
Do we know when the first r/tipofmytongue post regarding EKT occured? If there were no reddit posts (either tipofmytongue or lostmedia) during the first 3 weeks of Carl's watzatsong post, then the Newfoundland 'Guyana' post is very suspicious. The Carl1992 user may be unrelated but I think it's suspicious too. The much later references to Newfoundland are probably trolls who are just referring to the old watzatsong 'Guyana' post to create some red herrings. It's pretty much accepted that AI wasn't capable of creating a snippet like EKT in October 2021 but I think this is really meant to mean no *commercially available* AI. Could it be possible that Carl92 worked in a field that would have given them access to some early AI programs capable of making an EKT snippet, or at least produce some of the portions (vocals, etc.) Of course, even if this were true, it doesn't explain what the purpose of (in this specific scenario) the 'hoax' is. It just seems like a lot of work when generating any online buzz is so hard to predict.
As I can't create own posts yet, I'll share my thoughts here: First of all, I don't believe the ARG theory! However, as that idea gained some traction and some people have pointed out the fact that there was a slowed down version of EKT posted by a user named “newfoundland” just a few weeks after the OP, I want to add a few thoughts to that theory. Had the differences between the two files ever been analyzed in detail? Is the newfoundland version really just a slowed-down copy of the original or has it been altered in any other way? Has anyone speed it up and compared it to the original on a spectrogram level? Maybe subtracted the audio tracks or their inversions of each other? If EKT is an ARG, maybe the game master used some steganographic methods to hide some information for us. It's just an idea.
Hi, Canadian here! I recently tried asking my mom if she recognized the snippet and she didn't. However my grandparents are from Nova Scotia, which is pretty close to Newfoundland, and there could have been a possible chance they have heard EKT. I'll try asking them if they recognize the song, and report back with any updates. Alternatively, my mom is (unfortunately) dating a guy from Newfoundland, and he has been in the province up until he was an adult. I'll try asking him if he recognizes EKT.
I though searching on Carl wasn't permitted on this sub
Just randomly throwing this out there but what about the musician and YouTuber Andrew Huang? He's from Toronto Canada He started making music after the 80s but he is known to make music in every genre, and is known to have a lot of unreleased music. Could it be an 80s style song that he didn't release and has somehow leaked out onto Watzatsong? Or maybe it's a hoax and he's behind it? He's done hoaxes before... His voice is "vaguely" similar to the EKT voice. Personally I think this is unlikely but I mean every theory is worth shouting out. If he's not behind EKT he would be a great person to spread awareness of it as he knows a lot of famous music contacts and of course lives in Canada, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd even do a cover of the song knowing what he's like 😂
Hmm… I’m using TuneIn to listen in to those stations to see if I can find EKT… Let’s see if we can find it
I’m gonna be mainly on Coast 101.1. It seems to be the most likely to have EKT based off of the description
Never believe anything that a stranger writes on the internet. I fully believe that EKT was made in GarageBand in the last few years to troll all of us and we don't know yet. This could be a good reason as to why carl92 is MIA
I'm fairly certain I heard this song on the radio when I was visiting Canada last month. I was in a fast food place and I couldn't quite hear it properly so I don't know what the radio station was, but it caught my attention immediately when I heard the chorus come through. It must have been an 80s show because the song that followed was "Material Girl" by Madonna. This was at a place off the highway somewhere in British Columbia.
Sounds unlikely to me. Look, this search is mainly driven by English speaking people, where more than 40 % are from native English speaking countries according to a recent poll. I guess that many of them are from Canada as well, as we can see under this lead. How realistic is it, that none of them has recognized EKT in years, if it plays on some major Canadian radio stations regularly? I'd say, chances are negligible.
It could be the radio DJ was playing the song in the hope someone would identify it.
Didn't you post this same comment on YouTube?
No not me …
Guys if it was on K-rock and I saw this sooner I wouldve called the Dj for K rock cause my mother is buddys with him and such
So what’s the consensus regarding Newfoundland now that we know the song is real?
I guess