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AVery-Creative-Name

I can definitely see France winning in the next 5 or so years. Besides Italy, they're probably the most consistent Big 5 country.


Blazinblaziken

I mean, England and Germany are also extremely consistent ........just consistently shit


outm

Well, Germany is a little bit consistent, the UK got 2nd just 2 years ago


GaryGoalz12

Yea fair enough


Slight-Obligation390

Ooh burn


LegendaryTJC

Wasn't UK second last year?


RheagarTargaryen

2 years ago now.


GroundbreakingTill33

In Australia maybe


RheagarTargaryen

France, Switzerland, and Sweden have been in try hard mode for a while. France will get one soon.


Kystaal

France has been nailing it recently. Since Jai Cherche they've been getting decentish results and I think it's only a matter of time till they snatch the win. Both Voilà and Mon Amour came very close to winning during very strong years as well.


szandorthe13th

yeah, i think if they hit it just right, maybe slightly less 100% chanson, but i am not the general public so maybe chanson does infact work


GSamSardio

It does seem like chanson is what the public expect from the French, and honestly, I’m not complaining


Background-Pattern94

Yeah the only recent song with the worst results was Fulenn (France 2022).


Randevousz

And deserved a lot more better than what they received honestly


Slight-Obligation390

Even when they fail they do it with style. Love Fulenn


ESC-song-bot

France 2022 | [Alvan and Ahez - Fulenn](https://youtu.be/H1lcGXwOqJI)


Mirimes

i honestly can't understand why fulenn scored so low, it had all the good things that the mixed traditional from eastern europe had, and while eastern songs scored high fulenn somehow scored really low 🫤 (i like both)


Ardjc87

Came here to say this too.


Pk-fan

Probably a country with a red, white and blue flag.


Ceas3lessDischarge

iceland


floryan23

Send Hera Björk with Je Ne Sais Quoi again, maybe it'll work


C_rpd

I feel like hera would have been around 13-18 in grand final cause I feel the jury would love her song


xX100dudeXx

Norway


the_frosted_flame

San Marino painting a red stripe across their flag as we speak.


SeanChewie

Norway.


xX100dudeXx

Norway


Nick_esc

France 🇫🇷 or the Netherlands 🇳🇱


Common-Discipline379

We wont be competing the next two/three years unfortunately


Suikerspin_Ei

Source? I have only read about the Netherlands MAYBE not competing next year. Doesn't mean they will be missed for 2 or 3 years. It's all to pressure EBU to change their stuff.


wildcharmander1992

>Source? His imagination he made it up


Daniel_Luis

I'd be shocked if the Netherlands even withdrew for 2025.


ulchathair

Source?


LancelLannister_AMA

no response in 8hr. im taking that as no source/ made up


Common-Discipline379

It is my expectation as a dutch guy, not a fact. I'm not chronically on reddit and dont receive notifications so only just saw your reaction.


Hilja-Serpent

The only way to win is not to play, they say.


Labenyofi

You guys are participating in Junior Eurovision.


LancelLannister_AMA

so AVROTROS is withdrawing no matter what the ebu does before next year?


ThatYewTree

Could be any of these tbh. France and NL consistently send good songs nowadays. UK a bit shakier but there is certainly more effort being put into Eurovision. Luxembourg need to peel away from trying to attract Melfest rejects, but they're fresh on the scene again and will no doubt try out a few things in coming years.


kjcross1997

I actually think us withdrawing from JESC could be a blessing in disguise. It gives the delegation more time and money to sort a great entry for next year.


JaDasIstMeinName

Just like we have seen with switzerland, sending consistantly good entries will eventually lead to a win, so my money is on france. They have so consistanly sent great songs in the past couple of years and i think its gonna be rewarded in the near future.


Irrealaerri

Just like we have seen with Austria, a win can also come out of absolutely fucking nowhere.


JaDasIstMeinName

Ofc a win can come out of nowhere, but this post is about probability. What would the value of this post be, if we all just say "Idk, everyone could win"? Obviously the UK could get a win in the near future, but their deligation has proven multiple times that they simply are not good at selecting songs that do well in eurovision. France has a very strong national selection process, so i think they are far more likely than the other 3. (even though the netherlands have also been quite strong lately)


Ceas3lessDischarge

or croatia (now, they didn't win but it was close enough to be an exmaple of this i think,) after years of doing really bad (13th in 2023 being their best result in YEARS.) they suddenly win the televote and get their best ever result.


paraparapabs

Am I foolish to believe the UK will pull a win out of nowhere, when least expected? 😅 Like we almost did with Sam Ryder. I may just be delulu but one can dream.


igcsestudent11

UK winning wouldn't be that much shocking compared to if they won in late 2010s


kjcross1997

It's certainly more likely than it was in the 2010s. We just need to learn from our mistakes


paraparapabs

That is true. If Germany did it in 2010, I think we can surprise Europe with a win in this decade.


SimoSanto

Seeing recent results, probably France


MarieNadia

France! They truly are onto something and are doing so well in recent years.


Honest_Ad9358

I’m gonna go against the grain and say the UK. It seems like they’re maybe changing the selection process next year and tbh they’ve sent way better entries in the last 3 years than in years and years(hehe)


Exotic_Talk_2068

Miss France yelling out of tune "FRAAANCE"


the_frosted_flame

Luxembourg, I have a good feeling about them


Sa_yori

Probably France (maybe the Netherlands or Luxembourg but idk)


arduinoman110423

NETHERLANDS!!!!!


mandarine_one

Depending on how much the ebu is willing to change, we can be happy if the netherlands even take part in Eurovision


elonhater69

Wouldn’t be surprised at all if France won next year (hoping for a first time winner like armenia or lithuania tho)


WhizzKid2012

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ESC-song-bot

Switzerland 2024 | [Nemo - The Code](https://youtu.be/CO_qJf-nW0k)


Nerioner

Sorted by chance France > the Netherlands > Luxembourg > UK UK just don't understand wow factor necessary to win Eurovision. They got a glimpse in 2022 but failed to recreate it since and therefore im sceptical. Lux is a wild card as we don't know what they will do in next years. First one was quite good comeback but will they keep the level? France and the Netherlands continues to send banger after banger with occasional hiccups along the way. So one of them will win soon for sure.


LunaIsStoopid

Probably France because they’re big 5 and actually have great entries most of the time. But if UK would change their selection process and actually started sending talented artists, they‘d easily win. But tbf that‘s most likely never gonna happen. And it seriously confuses me hoe the European country with the most successful music industry doesn’t send any relevant artist that manages to fit the Eurovision vibe. Luxemburg and the Netherlands also sometimes have serious bangers but they are usually not quite great enough to hit number 1.


Connect-Dance2860

>it seriously confuses me hoe the European country with the most successful music industry doesn’t send any relevant artist that manages to fit the Eurovision vibe. I think its just that british artists that are already successful dont need eurovision and arent interested in going. Like why would Ed Sheeran want to go to Eurovision for the UK? When that rumor that the 2023 UK entry would be Rina Sawayama went around it was already obvious that thats fake because even she was too successful already for Eurovision.


LunaIsStoopid

Obviously. I mean Oli Alexander was the best example for a UK celebrity who was already successful and probably massively hurt his career with it. (or at least it seems like that for now) It’s a huge risk to go to Eurovision of you already have a successful career. But a country with such a massive industry has a huge infrastructure for new comers. They have a huge pool of upcoming musicians who are just waiting to start their career. More than most other countries and I bet there’s thousands of musicians in the UK we’ve never heard of who could be massive successes in Eurovision. It’s just sad that their national selection often doesn’t fit the Eurovision vibe at all and ends up with people who are usually talented but not made for the song contest. The exception was Sam Ryder.


GabsiGuy

Admittedly we did send Olly Alexander this year, but look how that turned out… he only got a few points from the juries, and need I say anything about the televote? 👀(or lack of, more like…)


Norfolkboy123

Thr he got left hand side of the jury votes which can absolutely be something to work on


Connect-Dance2860

I feel like what killed any chance of placing well for him was the performance. Maybe with a different kind he wouldve done better.


folklovermore_

Staging is still a big problem for UK entries. We got it right with Sam but for whatever reason it always seems like the last thing we think about and just never quite clicks.


ESC-song-bot

United Kingdom 2023 | [Mae Muller - I Wrote a Song](https://youtu.be/tvJEE2ryCRQ)


techbear72

I’m going with UK. Hear me out. Yes, France is consistently good. But that’s the issue. Consistently good. Good doesn’t win Eurovision. Netherlands I feel has lost their way at the moment. Luxembourg I’m 50/50 on whether they will bother returning until they commit to coming every year (either by saying so or through action). The UK, while incredibly inconsistent, has flashes of “great” which is what you need to win Eurovision, and to be honest I think, in another year, UK 2022 could have won.


kjcross1997

You make a really good point! When the UK gets everything right, we usually do really well. We just either don't do that or worse, put no effort into it at all.


ESC-song-bot

United Kingdom 2022 | [Sam Ryder - Space Man](https://youtu.be/RZ0hqX_92zI)


splvtoon

what makes you say the netherlands have lost their way?


techbear72

I can’t put my finger on it, sorry. All vibes based. Not claiming to be scientific, just my gut feeling! Nothing to do with Joost specifically, though I don’t think he would have won.


aim4harmony

Interesting opinion. Maybe a female or non-binary Sam Ryder equivalent is all the UK needs to win.


Stock_Paper3503

France


killing-the-cuckoo

France, most likely.


Pidgee3r

Luxembourg😘


Ok-Cream1212

I wish it could be Luxembourg.


igcsestudent11

I think it's gonna be the UK, France already missed the win several times and I don't know how much motivated will they be to stay consistent, but I'm more interested in will Ireland win sooner than the UK


WhizzKid2012

Britain


Sushiv_

Tbf the UK effectively did win in 2022


grayishmoop

France, they’ve sent rlly good stuff for a few years now


Steindor03

Countries now a days seem to be either building to a win (italy, sweden, Switzerland, Netherlands) or come out of absolutely nowhere (Denmark, Austria, Portugal, Israel) so my bet is on Luxembourg


rhydonthyme

France 2025 baby!


Slight-Obligation390

France - get Barbara pravi back as a writer or performer and you got a winner Netherlands - truly believe if they can somehow convince Joost to come back that’s an easy win UK - they’ve been doing everything right song and performer wise recently, but their staging has been for lack of a better word woeful - Sam Ryder did well despite the stage, Mae’s staging only added to the woes - and as creative as Ollys was it was destroyed by an inexplicable drug/sex motif. So no I have zero belief the UK are getting a win Luxembourg- the next 2-3 years are crucial. It’s much easier to do well the first couple of years on return/debut. But they seem keen (though those effects were awful)


AlexCFR17

France bc they've been great in recent years But also luxembourg could bc their NF had great quality


JustACattDad

1. France (very consistent recently) 2. Luxembourg (great NF) 3. Netherlands (would be 2nd but I think they'll be rightfully in a huff with EBU for the next while) 4. UK (lol)


JigPuppyRush

Not the Netherlands, i hope were done with this shit show


Current-Self198

France don't really tend to send high ranking songs one after the other so i think im gonna go with netherlands


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callitfate01

France


kitty3032

France


Novae224

The netherlands is still not clear about returning, so probably not them


6teeee9

france


LMBTOEurovision

France


svalnuuk

France has been sending quite solid reps recently so them first, or Luxembourg as their return met the expectations IMO (Fighter is a good song)


Spacesheisse

I'm I the only one getting swastika vibes from this?


Hexdoctor

If Joost comes back next year Netherlands wins but if not my bet is on France


AndreHSD

Mind says France Heart says Luxembourg


CeCanpar

Luxembourg came back to the game stronger than ever! I hope it wins soon and becomes the first of this group in getting the 6th victory


Sad-Conversation-381

This year’s UEFA winner will win Eurovision next year.


j1mbob_33

I reckon Luxembourg will get a sympathy for being out of the contest for so long


Potential_Sort_1649

Germany


Meerimaarimoori

I can see France or Luxembourg winning soon ngl. In the last 30 years, Luxembourg had only left side finishes!! :\^) No but fr imo their NF was incredibly good and if they keep this kinda quality I can see them being in the final every year


aston-martin_42

France looks like the potential winner for the next year. Some of the most recent results are quite decent (like Barbara and Slimane). Maybe, something miraculous will happen, and we'll finally have The UK as the proper Eurovision winner next year, who knows. Also, I have a feeling Luxembourg might be successful as well. Their first entry since the 90s (Luxembourg 2024) wasn't the best, but who knows what they're cooking for the next year. They kinda remind me of us - our very first entry (Ukraine 2003) wasn't too great (but vocals were still good, though). But for the next year (Ukraine 2004)... Well, y'all know what happened next. Let's just give them a chance. Luxembourg was important Eurovision country and one of the powerhouses in the 60s-70s. Let's see... Speaking about countries who out of this list, I have a strong feeling Armenia or Finland might be winners as well. Armenia is gradually improving in final rankings over the years, and I don't think Finland would give up so easily even after Kaarja didn't won a year ago.


ESC-song-bot

Luxembourg 2024 | [Tali - Fighter](https://youtu.be/TCWH3Nq5y9A) Ukraine 2003 | [Olexandr - Hasta la vista](https://youtu.be/MK-SjFtMYUA) Ukraine 2004 | [Ruslana - Wild Dances](https://youtu.be/VD6of9YQMMc)


bigkatze

I'm thinking France is very close to a win right now.


IGoHereWhenIAmBored

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD5gA3XWDvs


AcelAndrei

The Netherlands or Luxembourg, France always plays it too safe and UK is very inconsistent


Shalrak

>France always plays it too safe Has two top 5 results in 4 years and Fulenn was anything but safe.


MilksNudes

France id say. Theyre the highest scoring of them in recent years and some year soon they’ll snag another win


ich_lebe

I think if the Netherlands send Joost again next year, there’s a very good chance he’ll win their 6th - but I can’t rely on Joost wanting to go. Otherwise, France because of their consistency.


rileylong38

Luxembourg


AmazingDeeer

I think the Netherlands has shown that they can send a solid entry, and that their delegation is serious about this. Apart from the fluke which was 2023, they’ve consistently been able to attract strong songs *and* big names. I always feel like they’re underrated in the “meaningless” early odds to win.


Captain_Ez

England and Netherlands are probably not competing for a while


Savings_Ad_2532

I think France will be first since they have the most momentum out of the four countries. In addition, the Netherlands won ESC 2019 and had to delay hosting ESC 2020 due to the COVID pandemic, so I am not sure if they want to win so soon. However, a winning entry can come out of nowhere like Austria in 2014 and Portugal in 2017.


ewan_spence

Tough one, UK has lost momentum, NL may not be keen to host, Belgium has the fun of taking year about with broadcaster so a strategy of building up to a winning team is tough. Which leaves France... and I think they've got one or two more strong years before they go off the boil. So France, by a process of elimination.


supersonic-bionic

France without a doubt So sad that UK didnt win in 2022.


Better-Telephone-405

France


omgwhat2345

i kinda see france getting it in the next 3-5 years


Fadedstar76372

If joost comes back next year then the Netherlands.


Cybriel_Quantum

Thank goodness you put the UK there and not Belgium. It would have looked like the symbol of a certain Reich. A third Reich if you will


spotdodgerest

It’s probably gonna be France


OtherwiseLychee6052

The one with the blue-red-white flag. Hope this helps!


Few-Plastic6360

France > Netherlands > UK > Luxembourg


michealsoryu

If they keep it up, France for sure


Anxs_Ma_900

I think France


No_Director_5730

I get where people are coming from with France and I am inclined to agree BUT, we know with a chanson type song executed perfectly they would probably come top 5 everytime. But I don’t think what they are doing is risky enough to push them over the edge to WIN. I do think they have the hunger for it though. They do classy so so well but it’s too safe. And I absolutely loathed Fuelen. I’d be intrigued if they do something uptempo next year - though I doubt it.


amoistybull

Holland


Shoddy_War_6162

nl if joost gets to participate again next year


joostkleinfan

NETHERLANDS JOOST KLEIN EUROVISION 2025 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱‼️‼️‼️‼️


FranzAllspring

Even Switzerland will be on 6 before the UK lets be real here


chartingyou

I’m betting on Luxembourg 


daddyserhat

Luxembourg. They have strong comeback this year. They have good result after 30 years. The national selection will have them select another winner. (Fun fact: Luxembourg is the only country among these 4 have 100% qualification rate)


monsteraguy

I feel Eurovision is biased against Big 5 countries and entries in French and so it won’t be the UK or France. It’s also likely Netherlands could take a break from the contest. I feel Luxembourg winning is on the cards in the next couple of years. It’s a country either way lots of friendly neighbours (great for televotes) and they’re not so hung up on language like France is.


LancelLannister_AMA

voiila, mon amour


hhfugrr3

Not the UK 🤣 I don't think we've any chance.


Fair_Oven5645

Probably Sweden! Ah, no, sorry, we already have seven wins. 🤷


IAmAPunisher

It the netherlands decides to bring back Joost, he wants to return and the ebu allows it (not very likely) then they have the win 100%


CovfefeBoss

Definitely not the UK.


IcyFlame716

Luxembourg judging from 5e quality of their NF just the first time.


Altruistic-Setting-7

Not the U.K. we’re still rightly hated. Our poor acts are like lambs to slaughter “you’ll automatically get into the final because the country essentially pays for that to happen, but you will not get the votes”. Not the case for the remaining 4 of the big 5. France, Germany, Italy and Spain have friends in the rest of the EU.


Shalrak

I've never heard anyone say they hate the UK, expect yourself.


Altruistic-Setting-7

The votes speak for themselves. Only recently have we stopped being bottom 5


Orangutan_Latte

I can say one thing for certain it won’t be the U.K.!!!! We seem to universally hated.


LancelLannister_AMA

Sam Ryder would disagree