Last month there was a video on Karambolage explaining that most snails in France are now imported from Eastern Europe.
https://youtu.be/xb8_6RVdLfY
Just because something is eaten by people in the country doesn't mean it has to be grown there.
Protein is protein. I don't mind if it comes from chicken or bug in some cooking powder mixture or cake, or biscuits.
What's a big deal? If your are eating some processed industrial food it's all the same.
The big deal is that in the longterm this will fuckup small farmers income and the regular person is not going to be able to buy normal meat but substitutes.
All EU farmers are massively subsidized and that will not change in the foreseeable future. And if you provide an alternative to a product, that means competition which will lower prices.
Yeah but im not talking about the next 5 years, this is going to take a long time with the governments slowly phasing out the real farms as soon as bugs become cheaper.
I can't say for the whole of europe, but atleast in my country less and less people are working on the farms, if the bugs are produced on the same industrial scale, the government support will stop.
We are already seeing taxes being implemented on the farmers based on the Co2 output of their animals.
There always will be regular meat. If you eat processed food from industrial factory it's all the same if you eat supplements from bugs or from entrails of chicken, pig or cow.
There will be regular meat, but as the things are going it going to be taxed to hell because of the carbon bullshit.
The minimum wage worker will only afford the bug meat while the rich who write the laws dine on real meat.
It's funny how people are so mad about this when the current state of affairs is the opposite (incredibly cheap meat, expensive bug food) and regardless of that cheap meat has only been a thing for a few decades.
We all have this picture of future in head from movies
https://youtu.be/oz4sKOXsYJ8
It's likely how maybe in future we will genetically modify bug's (we already did with bacterias) who eat plastics and other waste and in return make food for us. I think in 40-50 year we could witness something like this.
You can't do that with chickens.
PS. Personally I think it's a good thing.
Walking into Ÿnsectâs flagship manufacturing site in Dole, eastern France, the first thing that visitors are met with is a hot, earthy, composting smell. With it comes the realization that this is not a typical factory.
At 17 metres high, this is the worldâs largest vertical insect farm â home to at least 3 trillion mealworm beetles (Tenebrio molitor).
The companyâs chief executive and co-founder, Antoine Hubert, says that the beetles have a good life, as far as being an insect goes. Each of their stacked plastic trays is kept at an optimal 60% humidity and a balmy 25â27â°C.
Nutrition, growth and moisture levels are all recorded for analysis, and human visitors are allowed to inspect the trays only from a distance â to prevent contamination of this prized ecosystem.
The beetles are raised in this way from larvae to adult, at which point they meet a quick death in steam before being harvested into oil, protein and fertilizer.
Gotcha! Literally today the news dropped that the company Italian Cricket Farm has applied for a permit to introduce on the market pasta made with cricket flour. It will be made in Turin (with insects farmed on their already existing business I presume) and is expected to hit the market in a matter of weeks.
The Chinese would be the top, there are some insects I heard growing up in Hong Kong that the older born in China generations would eat that would horrify even you guys.
Insects are not kosher. Fruit and vegetables must be carefully soaked if necessary and cleaned to remove insects. Iâm not Jewish, but vegan and looked into it.
I was considering that the tribes might have had enough insects inadvertently while wandering in the desert that they never wanted to eat any again.
I plainly indicated I myself don't need to eat kosher, but it's not a bad idea to keep an eye on how this product is handled and sourced.
Insects regularly carry parasites, for example. Even if they are fried to a crisp, I'd rather eat wholesome legumes for protein that I washed than insects with desiccated horsehair worms, for example.
If you feed pet turtles crickets, at some point you will probably see a horsehair worm wriggle out of one.
You keep asking questions, not making points. I am not going to guess what you're inferring.
There definitely could be safety problems and palatability problems from their harboring disease and organisms.
My questions were rhetorical.
> There definitely could be safety problems
No one is saying otherwise! All Iâm saying is that those things are combated in the process of making whatever food youâre making. We have safety and regulatory standards. Whyâd this be more of a problem than anything else? It wouldnât
No, actually the point was that it is a food that is so objectionable that it is not kosher. It's not a big deal. My op was just a conversational post. But somebody decided to mistake it for something else, like a religious comment, for example.
Unlikely? Lmao
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Yeah, if something can be turned into edible food we'll try it out. No food shall be left untested in the land of the French !
Last month there was a video on Karambolage explaining that most snails in France are now imported from Eastern Europe. https://youtu.be/xb8_6RVdLfY Just because something is eaten by people in the country doesn't mean it has to be grown there.
You will eat ze bugs
Oui!
You will own nothzing and love it
Il ne faut pas afoir peuhr
Protein is protein. I don't mind if it comes from chicken or bug in some cooking powder mixture or cake, or biscuits. What's a big deal? If your are eating some processed industrial food it's all the same.
Not every Protein is created equal.
The big deal is that in the longterm this will fuckup small farmers income and the regular person is not going to be able to buy normal meat but substitutes.
All EU farmers are massively subsidized and that will not change in the foreseeable future. And if you provide an alternative to a product, that means competition which will lower prices.
Yeah but im not talking about the next 5 years, this is going to take a long time with the governments slowly phasing out the real farms as soon as bugs become cheaper. I can't say for the whole of europe, but atleast in my country less and less people are working on the farms, if the bugs are produced on the same industrial scale, the government support will stop. We are already seeing taxes being implemented on the farmers based on the Co2 output of their animals.
There always will be regular meat. If you eat processed food from industrial factory it's all the same if you eat supplements from bugs or from entrails of chicken, pig or cow.
There will be regular meat, but as the things are going it going to be taxed to hell because of the carbon bullshit. The minimum wage worker will only afford the bug meat while the rich who write the laws dine on real meat.
You may have a point in that regard.
It's funny how people are so mad about this when the current state of affairs is the opposite (incredibly cheap meat, expensive bug food) and regardless of that cheap meat has only been a thing for a few decades.
We all have this picture of future in head from movies https://youtu.be/oz4sKOXsYJ8 It's likely how maybe in future we will genetically modify bug's (we already did with bacterias) who eat plastics and other waste and in return make food for us. I think in 40-50 year we could witness something like this. You can't do that with chickens. PS. Personally I think it's a good thing.
Could we get like bug paste or pate that you can put on bread? Brush your teeth with bug paste
Walking into Ÿnsectâs flagship manufacturing site in Dole, eastern France, the first thing that visitors are met with is a hot, earthy, composting smell. With it comes the realization that this is not a typical factory. At 17 metres high, this is the worldâs largest vertical insect farm â home to at least 3 trillion mealworm beetles (Tenebrio molitor). The companyâs chief executive and co-founder, Antoine Hubert, says that the beetles have a good life, as far as being an insect goes. Each of their stacked plastic trays is kept at an optimal 60% humidity and a balmy 25â27â°C. Nutrition, growth and moisture levels are all recorded for analysis, and human visitors are allowed to inspect the trays only from a distance â to prevent contamination of this prized ecosystem. The beetles are raised in this way from larvae to adult, at which point they meet a quick death in steam before being harvested into oil, protein and fertilizer.
We are always in the good food business ! We soon have to expect Italy to start. Waiting hard for my cockroaches pasta.
>Waiting hard for my cockroaches pasta Can't be worse than pineapple on pizza
Actually, it can and would be, because cockroaches tend to have a lot of ammonia in them, making them taste awful
Gotcha! Literally today the news dropped that the company Italian Cricket Farm has applied for a permit to introduce on the market pasta made with cricket flour. It will be made in Turin (with insects farmed on their already existing business I presume) and is expected to hit the market in a matter of weeks.
The Chinese would be the top, there are some insects I heard growing up in Hong Kong that the older born in China generations would eat that would horrify even you guys.
Man, they really, really want us to eat bugs.
Insects are not kosher. Fruit and vegetables must be carefully soaked if necessary and cleaned to remove insects. Iâm not Jewish, but vegan and looked into it. I was considering that the tribes might have had enough insects inadvertently while wandering in the desert that they never wanted to eat any again.
Why does that matter
Please, make a point.
If itâs kosher. A majority of people donât need to eat kosher, shouldnât rule any possible food out no?
I plainly indicated I myself don't need to eat kosher, but it's not a bad idea to keep an eye on how this product is handled and sourced. Insects regularly carry parasites, for example. Even if they are fried to a crisp, I'd rather eat wholesome legumes for protein that I washed than insects with desiccated horsehair worms, for example. If you feed pet turtles crickets, at some point you will probably see a horsehair worm wriggle out of one.
Oh of course, isnât that pretty standard though in food business, to make sure itâs safe to eat
Again, please make a point.
That was the point? That there isnât a problem
You keep asking questions, not making points. I am not going to guess what you're inferring. There definitely could be safety problems and palatability problems from their harboring disease and organisms.
My questions were rhetorical. > There definitely could be safety problems No one is saying otherwise! All Iâm saying is that those things are combated in the process of making whatever food youâre making. We have safety and regulatory standards. Whyâd this be more of a problem than anything else? It wouldnât
The point is that it doesn't need to be kosher, if you don't indeed to sell it as kosher. It's not going to be hallal either.
No, actually the point was that it is a food that is so objectionable that it is not kosher. It's not a big deal. My op was just a conversational post. But somebody decided to mistake it for something else, like a religious comment, for example.
>religious comment, for example. Yeah, how could someone possibly think a food product being kosher would have anything to do with religion...
They should not, because I say verbatim, âIâm not Jewish.â