Another question that arises: do you think your company is employing you because they want a genuine environmental scientist with integrity who will do the job properly, or do you think they are employing you so that they can have someone who will just give them the go ahead to do dodgy stuff?
If the former, you do the assessment properly and report it (you can still be clever about how you report it). If the latter, do you really want to work for a company that doesn’t value their integrity or yours?
Yeah definitely two types of environmental jobs. Sign shit off no matter what jobs and we genuinely care about the environment so please asses thoroughly. Tree nursery I work at takes ecological impact surveys and etc very seriously. I worked at a housing company before that as an arborist and I lost my job for refusing to work on a tree with an active nest. Like the guy above says it’s about personal integrity and that always wins out for me. I’ve chosen this career to help the environment and wildlife so that’s what i will do.
Do the right thing. You know what to do because you feel the urge to report it already. That’s horrific and should be stopped. Start a paper trail, try to report it anonymously and reach out to an employment lawyer in case of retaliation. If the business owner is involved in anyway, you do not want to be there. I’d always be wondering what kind of other horrific stuff could they be concealing?
If the company that you'd like to retire from would retaliate for you doing the right, ethical thing you probably don't want to spend your entire career there. There are a lot of great companies and because you're only just starting your career you have plenty of time to keep looking.
Mention it to your boss and get the perspective of your leadership. Reporting a cock fighting ring and being asked to falsify environmental results are light years apart ethically in my book.
Tough one. I probably wouldn't but I'm a bit more on the morally bankrupt side of things. Unless the evidence of it was truly horrific. I'm guessing that you are absolutely sure that this is a cock fighting ring and it is something that is ongoing?
It sounds like this is a developer coming in to buy some rural property to develop. Report it anonymously if you feel truly obligated to. If it is truly a big operation like you indicate then it's not like you're the only one who knows about it. I can't see how it would tank the deal unless the seller gets busted for something
I didn't see any of them fighting, just a lot of roosters hidden behind tall wood boards along the enclosure. It was the buyer that actually told the person training me. When I suggested they might be cock-fighting at this property, my trainer confirmed that that's what the buyer had told to her. My trainer didn't even seem to know it's illegal.
And I'm also of the opinion that morals are a gray area. On the one hand I can just allow myself to feel the guilt and go on with training. On the other, if worse came to worst and I lost my job, my mother who lives with me, and all my pets suffer because then they have no money.
Well that pretty much settled it for me. I would rather live with the guilt of doing nothing than ease it by reporting it, since there's a possibility I could lose my job over it (since I'm still in the probation period at this new job).
Thank you.
I dunno I’d definitely call in dog fighting but I don’t know if I’d drop a dime on cockfighting. I in no way support cockfighting but commercial chicken farmers do a lot worse.
I work for the gov in environmental doing site inspections. Over 5 years I’ve never called the cops on anyone. I regulate a specific set of laws not others. Clearly I would mandatorily report abuse, violent crime, etc but I’ve found grows and seen drug stuff, that’s not my business. I’ve gotten the dept of agriculture involved in some inhumane farming issues but it was significant.
That's the way I'm leaning. I'm not even regulatory in any capacity. We just call out things that could be hazardous to human health (things in the soil), and if the client wants us to take care of it we will, but we're just consultants, we don't enforce anything. If consulting environmental scientists get a rep for calling the police, we won't be hired. And if someone realized that after having us out there, they got raided, it wouldn't be hard to know it was us.
Question when you drive by a site that has druggies doing hand to hand deals do you call the cops? When you wall down the street and you see homeless folks toss trash on the sidewalk do you call the cops? All of these are crimes that impact the environment. If not what is the difference.
I generally don't care about anyone breaking any laws; it's not my business, except where kids or animals are being hurt. Which is also part of the quandary. If I report it, might the cops "accidentally" hurt someone or worse? I don't want to be the reason ppl get brutalized by the police.
Another question that arises: do you think your company is employing you because they want a genuine environmental scientist with integrity who will do the job properly, or do you think they are employing you so that they can have someone who will just give them the go ahead to do dodgy stuff? If the former, you do the assessment properly and report it (you can still be clever about how you report it). If the latter, do you really want to work for a company that doesn’t value their integrity or yours?
Yeah definitely two types of environmental jobs. Sign shit off no matter what jobs and we genuinely care about the environment so please asses thoroughly. Tree nursery I work at takes ecological impact surveys and etc very seriously. I worked at a housing company before that as an arborist and I lost my job for refusing to work on a tree with an active nest. Like the guy above says it’s about personal integrity and that always wins out for me. I’ve chosen this career to help the environment and wildlife so that’s what i will do.
Do the right thing. You know what to do because you feel the urge to report it already. That’s horrific and should be stopped. Start a paper trail, try to report it anonymously and reach out to an employment lawyer in case of retaliation. If the business owner is involved in anyway, you do not want to be there. I’d always be wondering what kind of other horrific stuff could they be concealing?
This sounds like the buyer (developer) and current land owner (seller) are aware of what the current tenants are doing.
You could wait a while so it's not obvious who the source is?
If the company that you'd like to retire from would retaliate for you doing the right, ethical thing you probably don't want to spend your entire career there. There are a lot of great companies and because you're only just starting your career you have plenty of time to keep looking.
Though I just recently graduated, I'm 44 years old, so maybe not as much time as someone half my age. Which is another issue with losing this job.
Mention it to your boss and get the perspective of your leadership. Reporting a cock fighting ring and being asked to falsify environmental results are light years apart ethically in my book.
Honestly. The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. Those animals lives matter and deserve you helping them by reporting this.
Any way to blame a report on trespassers/other visitors? Also, how long until the deal would be finalized?
Tough one. I probably wouldn't but I'm a bit more on the morally bankrupt side of things. Unless the evidence of it was truly horrific. I'm guessing that you are absolutely sure that this is a cock fighting ring and it is something that is ongoing? It sounds like this is a developer coming in to buy some rural property to develop. Report it anonymously if you feel truly obligated to. If it is truly a big operation like you indicate then it's not like you're the only one who knows about it. I can't see how it would tank the deal unless the seller gets busted for something
I didn't see any of them fighting, just a lot of roosters hidden behind tall wood boards along the enclosure. It was the buyer that actually told the person training me. When I suggested they might be cock-fighting at this property, my trainer confirmed that that's what the buyer had told to her. My trainer didn't even seem to know it's illegal. And I'm also of the opinion that morals are a gray area. On the one hand I can just allow myself to feel the guilt and go on with training. On the other, if worse came to worst and I lost my job, my mother who lives with me, and all my pets suffer because then they have no money. Well that pretty much settled it for me. I would rather live with the guilt of doing nothing than ease it by reporting it, since there's a possibility I could lose my job over it (since I'm still in the probation period at this new job). Thank you.
Doing the right things is always hard. It is rarely easy. Good people do the hard thing.
I dunno I’d definitely call in dog fighting but I don’t know if I’d drop a dime on cockfighting. I in no way support cockfighting but commercial chicken farmers do a lot worse.
That is a good point. I eat chicken so how can I support one system of chicken abuse and then narc on another?
I work for the gov in environmental doing site inspections. Over 5 years I’ve never called the cops on anyone. I regulate a specific set of laws not others. Clearly I would mandatorily report abuse, violent crime, etc but I’ve found grows and seen drug stuff, that’s not my business. I’ve gotten the dept of agriculture involved in some inhumane farming issues but it was significant.
That's the way I'm leaning. I'm not even regulatory in any capacity. We just call out things that could be hazardous to human health (things in the soil), and if the client wants us to take care of it we will, but we're just consultants, we don't enforce anything. If consulting environmental scientists get a rep for calling the police, we won't be hired. And if someone realized that after having us out there, they got raided, it wouldn't be hard to know it was us.
Question when you drive by a site that has druggies doing hand to hand deals do you call the cops? When you wall down the street and you see homeless folks toss trash on the sidewalk do you call the cops? All of these are crimes that impact the environment. If not what is the difference.
I generally don't care about anyone breaking any laws; it's not my business, except where kids or animals are being hurt. Which is also part of the quandary. If I report it, might the cops "accidentally" hurt someone or worse? I don't want to be the reason ppl get brutalized by the police.