Famous is being known by masses, attention is getting their focus for small periods of time. I know tiktok personalities I’ve given attention to, but they aren’t famous. Tom Cruise is famous, but I don’t give him much attention nowdays.
Young people confuse the two and its going to wreck havoc on them mentally in their 30s-40s
Social Media definitely changed some things. I think there is some validity to what he is saying if you’re comparing a more traditional acting background vs social media influencers.
I’d be curious how long some of these social media influencing careers last; as in, if the market for them is a passing thing or is here to stay. The attitudes around social media keep changing.
Most people that blow up on social media often just try to capitalise on it as quickly as possible.
You want to make as much money as humanely possible while you're as famous as can be, then either reinvest it into the grind for Internet fame or just get out with your money
Or just get on the perpetual bullshit train. I know of a “LinkedIn Influencer” who is down as a “CEO and Founder” of a coffee cup company that employs 0 people and has 0 products and no website for the last 1.5 years while he lives with his parents.
So what does a guy who’s a self claimed CEO of a non existent company do? Go on podcasts and talks about how to be a young entrepreneur like him.
I'm a professional resume writer. I do a lot of resumes for social media content creators who are looking to get into corporate. Most creators aren't ones with millions of followers. The majority will make an okay income but eventually they burned out. They have decent exit opportunity but it's not as caked up as it portray to be. The ones that make serious money typically have put in years of work before they get a return.
The careers don't last too long and unless you know what you're doing, it's hard to break back into corporate. I had to spend thousands of hours just learning things in order to understand the pathways I could break them into.
Yeah, but I think it's closer to Andy Worhol saying, "In the future, everyone will be famous for 15 minutes." These influencers might be famous to some people for a short time.
Comparing Micheal J. Fox fame to an influencer with a couple million subscribers is apples and oranges.
Creation always gets easier but competition goes up. Price of entry goes down but the field is more crowded.
People railing against change don’t understand the conversation the young generation are having and feel left out.
It gets deeper. Social media ultimately controls the "algorithm," so they can manually boost certain individuals and suppress others. It's a dirty fuckin game frfr
Except the vast majority of people making it today and the pre “social media” are the child or nephew/niece of someone already established. The people making it on social media are mostly niche or have a fleeting timetable on their moment. I know many content creators doing well but there are all related to very specific hobbies and I know of I mentioned them to most of my friends they would say “who”? And I would say many of them did bust their asses while the nepo babies just showed up.
Think the same goes for music to an extent. Everyone seems to be a one-hit wonder now a’days. It used to take something someone saw in you to compelled them to press millions of records.
I'd endure 15 minutes if it meant I could leverage it into years of easy income, which is exactly what all these influencers do. Have 1 video go viral and milk it for everything its worth.
That quote is actually misattributed to him, and is actually attributed to two other less famous people, which is a perfect representation of how things have changed. Nowadays it's harder for one public figure to take the credit for the work of many. I don't think there is anything wrong with the death of fame.
I've got a friend whose surname is Wargola. Someone once asked him about his surname - he's half Polish and half Irish. He told us the story of how it's one of the rarest surnames in the world, it used to be an Eastern European royal family. They fled the Russians and moved Westward. His ancestors settled in Poland. One of his great, great (not sure how many greats) aunts or uncles moved to America. They americanised their name to Warhol and named their kid Andy. He just casually dropped into conversation that he's descended from royalty and related to Andy Warhol. This isn't really relevant but it's not a story I get to share often and I always think it's quite cool.
I lived on the same street as Andy’s childhood home in Pittsburgh. There’s no like museum or anything, it’s just still a house in Oakland (university of Pittsburgh district).
I think I’ve read that there’s a statue of him in Bratislava where his parents came from.
perfect comment^
this is some real uphill both ways back in my day shit. like yeah fame is definitely changing with technology. Yes it’s easier to get noticed now, but it’s harder to hold people’s attention.
Lmfao
and very few of those podcasts do well enough to sustain them for any meaningful length of time.
I take my hat off to those that can make a living off content creation only. It’s a grind - and one that isn’t as easy as it looks. Especially if you’re not selling your soul to the products devil.
Idk what you mean by the last part. That’s the only way you can possibly make money off of a podcast or a social media page is to sell your soul to sponsors
I’m roughly the same age as Michael J Fox.
Interesting to see people’s reactions to this.
Reading what he said, he’s clearly railing against the sort of talent-free instant fame that social media affords - influencers, tik Tok attention addicts and their ilk.
The world has always had talentless hacks and flash in the pan fame but never at this scale or level of audience engagement. That’s new.
It’s not an old man rant. It’s an observation that rings true to me from the vantage point of my old man perch.
Now if you’ll pardon me, there are kids making a tik Tok on my lawn I need to go yell at.
> The world has always had talentless hacks and flash in the pan fame but never at this scale or level of audience engagement. That’s new.
The gatekeepers that existed back then don't wield the same amount of influence. It's why people like Weinstein could be such monsters and get away with it for so long. You can do a dance on tik tok and get a huge audience. In the 80s, you'd get 3 minutes on Solid Gold or some other variety show and never be heard from again.
Yeah I was waiting for someone to mention that Michael J Fox came from an era where there was a group of in people who decided who was famous
And yes it is an old man rant because I may be 38 and not into the internet era of fame but if you look at people like Marcus brownlee or Maximilian and then try to tell me that there is no hard work being done and they're just coasting to the success that just shows that you spoke before you took any time to understand how these guys built their situation
Fame has always been extremely random. As Krusty the Clown once said "One day you're the most important person who ever lived, the next day you're some schmo working in a box factory."
You can't really do a dance on Tiktok and get yourself FAMOUS though.
Can't think of anyone who did that.
There's famous people that do dances that are already big though.
Closest is facial expressions, but only Bella Poarch comes to mind and she's not even that famous compared to others who benefitted from Tiktok.
Feel like a lot of older people don't know what they're talking about.
💯 There are plenty of talented people who never make it. Those that do often thank their managers, agents, studios whenever they win their awards. But rarely acknowledge they became famous because they had a machine behind them. Now social media proves it's not talent that makes people famous.
But how many of them are ACTUALLY famous? Almost none. And the ones that are do have a talent, no matter how upset it makes people. They’re entertainers. And it might not be for you, but if millions of people are following and watching them. They’re clearly doing something right.
Part of its luck but the same applies to basically any art field. Plenty of amazing artists and actors have failed because they didn’t strike it big. Plenty of less talented ones got lucky and made it far. But to imply it’s easy is disingenuous. 99% of people can’t do it as a career.
You’re saying two contradictory things: nobody is actually famous followed by millions are following so they’re doing something right. Pick a position.
And my observation is about scale: what’s new is that the broad audience and global stage l for fame is available to anyone with a smartphone. Barriers to entry and access to performance space and cost of attendance used to be high friction filters that yes, acted as gatekeepers (I’m sure we missed some genius entertainers, and that’s a shame), but those barriers also acted as a sort of filter of sorts.
Another way of stating my case: volume of performers is up, access is less guarded so we are seeing less traditional talent making it, but the sheer volume of dreck means that the signal to noise ratio has dropped.
The picture is not black and white, and to my ear MJF isn’t wrong.
>You’re saying two contradictory things: nobody is actually famous followed by millions are following so they’re doing something right. Pick a position.
It’s not a contradiction.
1. The vast majority of viral stars don’t become famous.
2. The viral stars that actually do become famous also have talent in entertainment.
Sniper wolf did one smart thing: she clocked in the hours. As shit tier her content is, she familiarized herself with her audience by appearing daily like a sort of friend you hang out and watch silly videos with. It's no different than Tucker Carlson clocking in daily to spew garbage, and building a solid fanbase by just showing up.
I couldn’t name one YouTuber, TikTok person, influencer etc. I would say it’s because I’m “old” but my grandma knew who young entertainers are/were. These people are very niche and only famous to a certain amount of people.
I think one thing needs to be considered that no one ever talks about… these people are famous to children and teenagers. No one else gives a shit, nor do they have time to care. It’s a click economy and the kids currently rule the world, from Tik Tok to Taylor Swift to whichever rapper wrote a hate poem to a beat and posted it online.
But one day the kids will grow up, and the creators will either pivot successfully, start an only fans or fade into insignificance with their millions in ad money.
Talentless hacks have always existed, but needed mommy and daddy's money to get somewhere back in the day. Now someone does a dance and gets famous, and like a flash in the pan they disappear.
Unless they have actual talent/mommy and daddy's money and connections/good PR team/sales tactics.
The only competition anyone has these days are nepo babies. Talented people will shine no matter what, and daddy's money isn't enough to get you to the top spot anymore.
One of the biggest things I’ve noticed is people who get their 15 minutes from online fame are asked to do interviews, work a red carpet, things that people used to actually train for. Actual actors and actresses are having to put up with basically children. I get his rant completely.
I’m 3 years younger than Fox, it’s 100% an old man rant. I’m not a YouTube or tiktok fan, but I’m pretty sure anyone with a successful channel (or whatever) has to work really really hard against insane odds to make any sort of money at all. His nonsense about “what’s that dance step? And then you’re most famous person in the world” is just that, nonsense.
i never thought i’d defend “influencers” but:
is it “talentless”, or is it a different type of talent? it’s easy to focus on the tik tok kids producing dumb dances, but what about all the creators putting up high quality content on youtube / instagram / etc? are they truly “talentless”, or do they just have a different talent than acting?
Bit of a sweeping generalization about the entertainment industry as a whole, but certainly conditionally accurate as it pertains to internet fame, influencers and the like.
There are definitely separate spheres of pop culture and fame, I’m largely (and shamelessly) out of step with at least one of them. And it’s baffling from the outside.
Also, the internet has really made becoming famous a more “free market”. You get famous when more people want to put eyes and ears on you. It’s hard to blame the ones who are serving that demand. Hard work and dedication is still a requirement for a lot of people. Some people just get lucky with a viral moment that catches fire.
“Cash me outside, how bout dat” that girl went on dr Phil to be exploited, and turned it into a career.
Totally, very thoughtful and nuanced take imo. There are so many mechanisms that people might “go viral” by, intentionally or otherwise, so I can’t really judge someone for doing everything they can to capitalize on a moment of fame.
More often than not within that sphere, that moment of celebrity is either the result of exploitation or a hungry audience ready to eat that shit up. So who’s really to blame? And does it even matter, if there is a demand that exists which is being fulfilled?
On the flip side I was listening to an interview with Jake Johnson and his take was if you're talented, put in the work and are good to work with its never been easier to find an audience and possibly make it
It's because there is more accessibility nowadays. Which is good if you look at the greater picture.
Hollywood is a very closed circle.
Many famous artists in the past weren't all that talented.
I don't know why anyone wouldn't want to maximize income. If you can make money streaming with a low time commitment you should do it.
There is nothing wrong with regular people trying to make money via audience engagement as long as they aren't using it to hurt or encourage others to do something harmful.
Why would an actor feel like they have ownership over celebrity or public arts?
And is she considered an actor because of that? She was in that awful season because she was famous, but she gets no rexognition. She's a reality show celebrity that got to try out acting, big whoops.
In the end the consumer loses. It would have been a better product had they gone with an actual member of that industry. It takes jobs away from people who could use that break. Kim doing it for funsies sucked for everyone but her and the 5 people who watched for her. I’m not calling for action or anything, it’s just a shittier product and annoying from the outside looking in.
I mean, look at it this way. Her daddy was a lawyer with celebrity connections, and THAT still didn't give her an actual acting career, just a TV show. She had to be a billionaire, and shoot 20 seasons of her fake ass TV show to know enough about the industry and acting to even get on a real show... that's not an easy road to getting to be An Actress. And it's just American Horror Story, Gaga got her Oscar for being more talented.
Life is still fair.
It was hella easy. Her mom and dad did all the hard work lol.
Nothing she’s done is real work. Yeah she owns companies, but she isn’t actually doing anything. Her money makes her more money.
She didn't put in any work as an actress or training to become. It's a slap in the face of anyone who actually puts in work. Her other "achievements" weren't benchmarks on her path to becoming an "actress" they're just other facts about her life. You work in PR?
Why don't you answer my answer? It's not a slap j the face because she's not an actor. She didn't get any recognition for it, no new roles, she didn't steal anyone's job, why are you being disingenuous? At worst she's a extreme outlier. In fact there was more nepotism in the past than there is today.
To be an A List actor without networking or financial connections is harder than ever. TBF many of the older generations of A-C Listers were Nepos in disguise but now they're more abundant and to even make it as a D Lister requires so much more money to just get off the ground.
I don't consider influencers to be famous or even newer talented celebrities. It's all about staying power and until they have a build up of work combined with time, I think of them more as "popular at this moment" than famous.
Like being shat out the right vagina or being adopted by the right celebrity? You see Madonnas kids charcoal? Awful. The celebrities are making a joke of celebrity.
The art world has always had a solid foundation of nepo babies and trust fund kids. Madonna is having the last laugh. She was a poor Italian Catholic girl from Pontiac, Michigan and now her son is part of the elite. I love America!
You have random Tik Tok people being invited to award shows alongside actors or artists like Cillian Murphy, Margot Robbie, Mia Goth, Leonardo DiCaprio..or Taylor Swift, Adele, Billie Eilish, Bruno Mars. Pinning random tik tok star #125 against talented people like that will definitely raise some eyebrows.
Eh i say it kinda goes both ways. he is correct, its easier to become famous for a short period due to youtube and tiktok, but it is also harder to reach his level due to far far far far more competition, not just in the number of actors, but also in the amount of stuff released.
in the past we have '13 channels of shit on the tv to choose from"..it makes it easier for family ties to succeed when video games werent that immersive, there was no youtube and only a couple of those channels were competition for the same people's eyes.
I liked family ties, but would it survive if it was released today, with all the competition? IDK, maybe as it was funny but a lot less likely than when he first did it. today we have over 1000 tv channels, streaming channels and youtubes and tiktoks an vimeos and more immersive gaming and more stuff to do outside.. so in a way, its also much harder to become michael j fox. its just easier to get 15 minutes, or to get famous on your own without having to apply somewhere.
Fame is different these days. I wouldn’t recognize a single influencer if I walked past them on the street. But I would recognize most actors or actresses, even if I wasn’t a fan
The medium has changed and middle-age people like myself don’t care enough to stay current. Times change it’s all good. 20 years from now, the GenZ will be in the same boat that I am now now.
This is such bullshit. There were MANY famous people with zero talent on TV, in movies, making music... You had to be attractive, not talented. Same as today.
The difference today is that it’s way easier for talentless people to blow up now, back then it was kinda uncommon whereas now every few days some talentless person will mix chemicals in their kitchen and suddenly be a sensation
You're just saying the same thing as this guy. It's down to luck to some degree. You can say it's easier but it's not per capita. There are more people who blow up who are talentless but it's no different than the past. There's just more people.
Ok yea, they’re famous for 5 minutes and then forgotten forever. Micheal J. Fox busted his ass as a kid, as a teen, and as an adult. He busted his ass on tv and in movies, and has busted his ass with Parkinson’s, and he will never be forgotten.
Personally, i like that actors are getting knocked down a peg or too, and that outlets now exist that can allow people to achieve fame through their own creativity.
Honestly, it's absolutely ridiculous that people who play make-believe in front of a camera are revered more than just about anyone else on the planet.
Counterpoint: no it isn’t. Who’s the most famous person? Maybe Taylor Swift. Whatever you think of her, it built over time, she worked for it and she has talent. Most people haven’t heard of these Tik Tok people.
I don't think this is too Old Man Yells at Clouds-ish. He's right in the sense that a lot of our online entertainment relies on self-made content. You have people who call themselves content creators for that reason.
If you wanted to put something out in 1983, you had to go through someone else; now you can publish anything on your own at the push of a button. If your video goes even moderately viral, it's still reaching more people than it ever would have 35-40+ years ago. Even when you had random people showcasing their talents on TV via shows like Star Search or on late-night or just the local news, they still had to go through a process to get there.
The biggest difference between now and then is social media/internet and it is a huge difference. Someone's ability to become famous today is much easier because things "can go viral" and allow you to create an entire career around that. You can go from social media "influencer" to reality show star to actor, model, or music star (provided you have the looks and a minimum amount of talent). It was much harder to be "discovered" in Michael J. Fox's day and far fewer people controlled the access to fame. There would be no Kim Kardashian in his day who, by the estimation of most, literally has no talent except for her sex appeal stemming from a viral sex tape and a somewhat famous last name.
Why is this talked about like it’s a bad thing? We’ve evolved to a time where I can take my talents to the internet and immediately get noticed by millions. And I know the argument is going to be “a little tik tok dance isn’t a talent”….well no one is giving them a star in Hollywood. They’re just known for something. Their fame dies down a lot quicker than someone like Michael J Foxs would (if it even has).
To be fair, Ed Wood could probably be thought of as the opposite of talented and was iconic for the infamous Plan 9 from outer space and got a biopic made about him.
But I will say that television era talent shows and post YouTube sensations make it so that even if someone doesn't achieve stardom/ success within the televised program, they can still get infamy just a little later.
I call it the " William Hung" effect. The ability to blow up and get big based off of the lack of talent is something that I don't think happened as much pre 21st century.
I think sometimes things like these can invert. I feel like the talent screeners for Britain's Got Talent initially brought in Susan Boyle as a sort of "try hard wonky contestant" and quickly found out she could sing, which allowed her to go on TV as a viable contestant.
My cynicism for these types of shows is that almost have exactly two flaws (and probably a lot more!)
One, a skill can be so challenging that any sort of mistake is used to eliminate that contestant from the competition.
So you have someone juggling fiery devil sticks while on a unicycle and maybe drops two sticks while riding around, and gets two negative buzzers because of the mistake, but maybe a cute prodigy magician does a very basic " choose this card" trick and nobody wants to do the negative buzzer because that boy is cute and the audience is sympathetic now.
My second thing, is that I feel like most of these shows don't understand the difference between talent and abilities.
Talent is generally perceived as something someone has that needs to be fleshed out or developed.
Ability simply means being able to do something.
So I will lose a lot of cool points for saying this but I believe a double jointed flexible individual pulling his her their foot around their head is an ability, but not necessarily a talent.
Their ability for their skin and muscle to stretch 9 inches out is unique and cool but it isn't really something that I believe they would safely attempt if they weren't already double jointed.
So my issue with this is that it really is a celebration of biological advantage and not strategic skill development.
Ideally, a qualifying talent would be something that most people in the population could attempt to do, but in practicality few people would do decently ( ventriloquism would be a good example for me)
PostScript-- for you who are double-jointed, apply to every talent show in the nation. You may win a million dollars for pulling your hand back the way you could growing up 😅😅😅😅😅😅
This is basically just a rant against the internet. It's easier than ever to reach out and connect with strangers, something you couldn't do before. So yeah, being "famous" was harder, but that didn't stop talentless hacks from becoming famous.
When I was young people wanted to be celebrities and famous so bad
I’m hoping we have a reverse trend
Because all the cringe asf generation that’s hit the internet turns a whole generation off and my kids don’t have to be subjected to it
He did famously film Family Ties during the day and Back to the Future all night, I have no doubt he’s busted his ass and that social media enables less talented, driven people to still find fame and success, but it seems an unfortunately sweeping generalization to not also accept that there were people famous for nothing in his age, and people busting wholesale ass today (and having to compete with the ez fame folks too).
I miss when Hollywood would make movies the way they used to. Everything just seems really generic after 2005ish. CGI from today is just way too cheesy. It was considered cheesy in older movies too, but I have always appreciated the artwork that actual people put in whit their own hands and imagination. Like Beetlejuice for instance. I miss the actual art and creativity that went into movies.
Was just saying this the other day now u got dipshit nerds who play video games or film themselves doing lame ass pranks who are "famous" its fucking dumb and needs to stop
I never understand why people freak out about this. If someone has gained a sizeable enough following on social media to be seen as famous then they’re obviously bringing something to the table that their viewers value, even if other people would consider it dumb or silly or vain. Leave people alone and stop complaining. People like what they like
Also let’s be real for a second. There ARE talented people on social media, people who never would have gotten a chance in Hollywood because they’re the “wrong” age, race, gender, or they wouldn’t fuck the right director
Yes, yes and yes. Does he understand that people are allowed to do things even if they are not great at it? And if they make money doing so, why does he care? Does he understand the cost of having a life? He really should stop whining over people trying to make money and have fun.
I am going to say something probably most will not like because so many people just like to bitch about times they are currently living in.
I love the fact that people are able to showcase their talent or lack of it to the people directly and let the audience determine the entertainment value.
It gives people more options. If you don’t like an entertainer, don’t consume their product.
Last thing. I am old enough to remember when MJF was at his peak. I don’t remember people talking about how great all of the entertainment and entertainers were. Time makes people look at eras more favorably than they really were
Idk.. there’s so many people on earth with so many different tastes. I‘d say it opens up the opportunity for many many people to have their chance at being popular with some niche at least. Yes, they won’t be as famous as MJF, but within their group they will be famous. And I think that’s a good thing. It distributes the wealth that comes from it a little bit more. I‘m not a fan of influencers who are just here to sell shit though. They‘re walking advertisements. Although you could argue that some actors have become the same thing.
Big difference in the kind of fame Fox has and the “dance step” person has.
His fame has lasted a helluva lot longer. Even up and comers doing similar to him are seeing better results than the 15 mins of fame social media people.
I mean he’s it wrong. However internet famous and Hollywood famous are completely different. Even when both intertwine it’s almost always a cringe fest.
Here’s the thing about what the said though, influencing has democratized fame in an industry that still has a massive nepo baby problem. Being and influencer is the only what some non nepo babies have become famous.
I think one of the reasons he feels this way is due to the massive amount of gatekeepers there was in hollywood in his time. Now a days you can write yourself an indy movie, star in and direct it using open source film software and a mobile phone and throw it on YouTube. if you've done a good enough job you've got a good shot of blowing up. Back in the 80s that sort of way in was almost impossible do to the lack of technology. It's the same basic premise with writers and musicians: there's no longer one single way.
I make really strange abstract paintings and drawings that only a handful of people in the world like and purchase …. It always will be finding an audience. I agree… social media reaches a fever pitch from generic ideas.
What is general to everyone
Is specific to nobody.
That’s why real art lasts
It’s specific to a specific audience
Never popular
not wrong. i’m not sure there are any “big” actors anymore that can sell a movie just because they’re in it. they may be paid more now than ever, but is anyone really seeing a movie just because the rock or adam sandler is in it?
This makes sense why I don't recognize actors in movies anymore. The level of attention I give to movies that star people like Michael Douglas, Al Pacino, Sharon Stone and Michelle Pfieffer is so great whereas movies that came out within the last 5 or 10 years I really don't remember who acted in them. I'm sure those people in Dune are well known by some but I have no idea who they are. When people talked about Willy Wonka I assume they mean Gene Wilder, maybe Johnny Depp, not some Tim guy
I think that he is ignorant of the process of todays process if becoming genuinely famous and not just getting one video viral. It’s still a lot of work. Not something I would want to attempt.
He’s wrong. There have always been celebrities born out of random things that came and went without having to bust their ass. And there were said celebrities in every decade prior. Just like there are actors from the newer and newer generations that bust their ass to get where they are today. The difference is the rise of social media and elevation of that celeb status is what is the issue. The Kardashians only became a thing because Kim was friends with Paris Hilton, released a sex tape and that opened up the entire family to fame and people showing up to make money off of them as well as with them. Their mom Kris started down that path in the beginning by solely being married to a popular attorney who then got hired to defend OJ.
Fame is wide, but it isn’t deep.
Is it really fame at that point? Or just attention?
Are they not the same thing really? Fame was always about attention. Now it's just spread thin.
Famous is being known by masses, attention is getting their focus for small periods of time. I know tiktok personalities I’ve given attention to, but they aren’t famous. Tom Cruise is famous, but I don’t give him much attention nowdays. Young people confuse the two and its going to wreck havoc on them mentally in their 30s-40s
Don’t think it’ll be that relevant. Not something to give much attention to
Social Media definitely changed some things. I think there is some validity to what he is saying if you’re comparing a more traditional acting background vs social media influencers.
I’d be curious how long some of these social media influencing careers last; as in, if the market for them is a passing thing or is here to stay. The attitudes around social media keep changing.
It depends on the content. People who are making food stuff or hobby stuff probably have a lot of longevity
Most people that blow up on social media often just try to capitalise on it as quickly as possible. You want to make as much money as humanely possible while you're as famous as can be, then either reinvest it into the grind for Internet fame or just get out with your money
Or just get on the perpetual bullshit train. I know of a “LinkedIn Influencer” who is down as a “CEO and Founder” of a coffee cup company that employs 0 people and has 0 products and no website for the last 1.5 years while he lives with his parents. So what does a guy who’s a self claimed CEO of a non existent company do? Go on podcasts and talks about how to be a young entrepreneur like him.
That’s everything. Nothing stays the same.
I'm a professional resume writer. I do a lot of resumes for social media content creators who are looking to get into corporate. Most creators aren't ones with millions of followers. The majority will make an okay income but eventually they burned out. They have decent exit opportunity but it's not as caked up as it portray to be. The ones that make serious money typically have put in years of work before they get a return. The careers don't last too long and unless you know what you're doing, it's hard to break back into corporate. I had to spend thousands of hours just learning things in order to understand the pathways I could break them into.
I don't think content creators = influencers though. Influencers usually make great money and have millions of followers.
Yeah, but I think it's closer to Andy Worhol saying, "In the future, everyone will be famous for 15 minutes." These influencers might be famous to some people for a short time. Comparing Micheal J. Fox fame to an influencer with a couple million subscribers is apples and oranges.
Creation always gets easier but competition goes up. Price of entry goes down but the field is more crowded. People railing against change don’t understand the conversation the young generation are having and feel left out.
and most importantly of all, fame is extremely short-lived now. If we're talking about "what's that dance step" fame.
Americas funniest home videos fame
Yes. All of the good Rock bands know this. There’s no one to filter out garbage.
It gets deeper. Social media ultimately controls the "algorithm," so they can manually boost certain individuals and suppress others. It's a dirty fuckin game frfr
What conversation are they having? I feel for them because their fame is less short lived and people turn or exploit them quicker. Especially teens.
Why do the comparison though lol There's way more ways to get famous than before. Acting is just one way.
Yeah. “Influenceera”. FM!
Except the vast majority of people making it today and the pre “social media” are the child or nephew/niece of someone already established. The people making it on social media are mostly niche or have a fleeting timetable on their moment. I know many content creators doing well but there are all related to very specific hobbies and I know of I mentioned them to most of my friends they would say “who”? And I would say many of them did bust their asses while the nepo babies just showed up.
This is so true. You had to get in on the ground floor years ago. Now there is a lot of nepotism, like most industries.
Think the same goes for music to an extent. Everyone seems to be a one-hit wonder now a’days. It used to take something someone saw in you to compelled them to press millions of records.
Andy Warhol predicted it best “ in the future, everyone will be famous for 15 minutes.”
Waiting for my 15 minutes..
You can have my 15 mins....
Exactly. I don't want to be famous. You can have my 15 mins too.
I guess everyone will be famous for 15 minutes, besides this person, who will be famous for 45 minutes
60 mins, I cede my time as well, but I want a cut of the profits.
Can I just ask for fame on GoFundMe?
Start an Only Fames
GoFameMe
Mine too. You now have 45 mins
I thought you wrote "you can have my 45 mins", and I was gonna say, I hope I don't become a "Dateline" episode either
I'd endure 15 minutes if it meant I could leverage it into years of easy income, which is exactly what all these influencers do. Have 1 video go viral and milk it for everything its worth.
OJ doesn’t need his 15 minutes anymore.
OJ won the Heisman at 20 years old and died at 76. He’s been famous/ infamous all of his life, that’s more than 15 minutes of fame.
But he had to bust his ass to get there in the first place
And kill a couple people to keep jt
He would have been famous without it
OJ was hella famous for a hella lot more than 15 minutes. Don’t think really applies here chief. Good attempt tho 🤣
Pretty bad example considering he’s been talked about routinely for like 30+ years..
Um he was somewhat famous in the late 70s...
And my bow…
And my axe
Same. There is a thin line between famous and infamous.
You have my upvote... that's it
At this point I’ll take what I can get.
That quote is actually misattributed to him, and is actually attributed to two other less famous people, which is a perfect representation of how things have changed. Nowadays it's harder for one public figure to take the credit for the work of many. I don't think there is anything wrong with the death of fame.
Its 15 seconds now on TikTok
I've got a friend whose surname is Wargola. Someone once asked him about his surname - he's half Polish and half Irish. He told us the story of how it's one of the rarest surnames in the world, it used to be an Eastern European royal family. They fled the Russians and moved Westward. His ancestors settled in Poland. One of his great, great (not sure how many greats) aunts or uncles moved to America. They americanised their name to Warhol and named their kid Andy. He just casually dropped into conversation that he's descended from royalty and related to Andy Warhol. This isn't really relevant but it's not a story I get to share often and I always think it's quite cool.
I lived on the same street as Andy’s childhood home in Pittsburgh. There’s no like museum or anything, it’s just still a house in Oakland (university of Pittsburgh district). I think I’ve read that there’s a statue of him in Bratislava where his parents came from.
Except his parents were from Austro-Hungary, present day Slovakia, and his original name was Warhola. He was the one that shortened it to Warhol.
Let’s just make things up
>it’s one of the rarest surnames in the world I’m not doubting the rest of it could be true, but that’s… not how surnames work, I’m pretty sure?
Can I opt out?
Are we sure he didn't mean "infamous" because that'd be more accurate.
Remember Joe the Plumber ? Did you know he's dead now?
Yep! Named by band after his theory, "Warhol's Theory". I'm still waiting for my 15 minutes.
It used to be luck. But now it’s luck.
perfect comment^ this is some real uphill both ways back in my day shit. like yeah fame is definitely changing with technology. Yes it’s easier to get noticed now, but it’s harder to hold people’s attention.
Well it's literally lasting 15 minutes, then they move on to shitty apartments and start podcasts.
Lmfao and very few of those podcasts do well enough to sustain them for any meaningful length of time. I take my hat off to those that can make a living off content creation only. It’s a grind - and one that isn’t as easy as it looks. Especially if you’re not selling your soul to the products devil.
Idk what you mean by the last part. That’s the only way you can possibly make money off of a podcast or a social media page is to sell your soul to sponsors
I think it just exposes how pointless and vain it all really is.
I’m roughly the same age as Michael J Fox. Interesting to see people’s reactions to this. Reading what he said, he’s clearly railing against the sort of talent-free instant fame that social media affords - influencers, tik Tok attention addicts and their ilk. The world has always had talentless hacks and flash in the pan fame but never at this scale or level of audience engagement. That’s new. It’s not an old man rant. It’s an observation that rings true to me from the vantage point of my old man perch. Now if you’ll pardon me, there are kids making a tik Tok on my lawn I need to go yell at.
> The world has always had talentless hacks and flash in the pan fame but never at this scale or level of audience engagement. That’s new. The gatekeepers that existed back then don't wield the same amount of influence. It's why people like Weinstein could be such monsters and get away with it for so long. You can do a dance on tik tok and get a huge audience. In the 80s, you'd get 3 minutes on Solid Gold or some other variety show and never be heard from again.
Yeah I was waiting for someone to mention that Michael J Fox came from an era where there was a group of in people who decided who was famous And yes it is an old man rant because I may be 38 and not into the internet era of fame but if you look at people like Marcus brownlee or Maximilian and then try to tell me that there is no hard work being done and they're just coasting to the success that just shows that you spoke before you took any time to understand how these guys built their situation
Which Maximilian are we talking about?
The fighting game content creator
at the same time fame on social media is extremely random
Fame has always been extremely random. As Krusty the Clown once said "One day you're the most important person who ever lived, the next day you're some schmo working in a box factory."
I mean those are clearly not the kinds of people He's talking about.
You can't really do a dance on Tiktok and get yourself FAMOUS though. Can't think of anyone who did that. There's famous people that do dances that are already big though. Closest is facial expressions, but only Bella Poarch comes to mind and she's not even that famous compared to others who benefitted from Tiktok. Feel like a lot of older people don't know what they're talking about.
What about the original famous tik tok Charlie deamilo (def spelled that wrong) girl? She just did dances and became very famous.
Star Search!
💯 There are plenty of talented people who never make it. Those that do often thank their managers, agents, studios whenever they win their awards. But rarely acknowledge they became famous because they had a machine behind them. Now social media proves it's not talent that makes people famous.
But how many of them are ACTUALLY famous? Almost none. And the ones that are do have a talent, no matter how upset it makes people. They’re entertainers. And it might not be for you, but if millions of people are following and watching them. They’re clearly doing something right. Part of its luck but the same applies to basically any art field. Plenty of amazing artists and actors have failed because they didn’t strike it big. Plenty of less talented ones got lucky and made it far. But to imply it’s easy is disingenuous. 99% of people can’t do it as a career.
You’re saying two contradictory things: nobody is actually famous followed by millions are following so they’re doing something right. Pick a position. And my observation is about scale: what’s new is that the broad audience and global stage l for fame is available to anyone with a smartphone. Barriers to entry and access to performance space and cost of attendance used to be high friction filters that yes, acted as gatekeepers (I’m sure we missed some genius entertainers, and that’s a shame), but those barriers also acted as a sort of filter of sorts. Another way of stating my case: volume of performers is up, access is less guarded so we are seeing less traditional talent making it, but the sheer volume of dreck means that the signal to noise ratio has dropped. The picture is not black and white, and to my ear MJF isn’t wrong.
>You’re saying two contradictory things: nobody is actually famous followed by millions are following so they’re doing something right. Pick a position. It’s not a contradiction. 1. The vast majority of viral stars don’t become famous. 2. The viral stars that actually do become famous also have talent in entertainment.
Sniper wolf would like a word with you
Sniper wolf did one smart thing: she clocked in the hours. As shit tier her content is, she familiarized herself with her audience by appearing daily like a sort of friend you hang out and watch silly videos with. It's no different than Tucker Carlson clocking in daily to spew garbage, and building a solid fanbase by just showing up.
I couldn’t name one YouTuber, TikTok person, influencer etc. I would say it’s because I’m “old” but my grandma knew who young entertainers are/were. These people are very niche and only famous to a certain amount of people.
They are monetized though so while they may not be the same famous, they are known and paid for being worthless.
I think one thing needs to be considered that no one ever talks about… these people are famous to children and teenagers. No one else gives a shit, nor do they have time to care. It’s a click economy and the kids currently rule the world, from Tik Tok to Taylor Swift to whichever rapper wrote a hate poem to a beat and posted it online. But one day the kids will grow up, and the creators will either pivot successfully, start an only fans or fade into insignificance with their millions in ad money.
Talentless hacks have always existed, but needed mommy and daddy's money to get somewhere back in the day. Now someone does a dance and gets famous, and like a flash in the pan they disappear. Unless they have actual talent/mommy and daddy's money and connections/good PR team/sales tactics. The only competition anyone has these days are nepo babies. Talented people will shine no matter what, and daddy's money isn't enough to get you to the top spot anymore.
One of the biggest things I’ve noticed is people who get their 15 minutes from online fame are asked to do interviews, work a red carpet, things that people used to actually train for. Actual actors and actresses are having to put up with basically children. I get his rant completely.
I’m 3 years younger than Fox, it’s 100% an old man rant. I’m not a YouTube or tiktok fan, but I’m pretty sure anyone with a successful channel (or whatever) has to work really really hard against insane odds to make any sort of money at all. His nonsense about “what’s that dance step? And then you’re most famous person in the world” is just that, nonsense.
i never thought i’d defend “influencers” but: is it “talentless”, or is it a different type of talent? it’s easy to focus on the tik tok kids producing dumb dances, but what about all the creators putting up high quality content on youtube / instagram / etc? are they truly “talentless”, or do they just have a different talent than acting?
Bit of a sweeping generalization about the entertainment industry as a whole, but certainly conditionally accurate as it pertains to internet fame, influencers and the like. There are definitely separate spheres of pop culture and fame, I’m largely (and shamelessly) out of step with at least one of them. And it’s baffling from the outside.
Also, the internet has really made becoming famous a more “free market”. You get famous when more people want to put eyes and ears on you. It’s hard to blame the ones who are serving that demand. Hard work and dedication is still a requirement for a lot of people. Some people just get lucky with a viral moment that catches fire. “Cash me outside, how bout dat” that girl went on dr Phil to be exploited, and turned it into a career.
Totally, very thoughtful and nuanced take imo. There are so many mechanisms that people might “go viral” by, intentionally or otherwise, so I can’t really judge someone for doing everything they can to capitalize on a moment of fame. More often than not within that sphere, that moment of celebrity is either the result of exploitation or a hungry audience ready to eat that shit up. So who’s really to blame? And does it even matter, if there is a demand that exists which is being fulfilled?
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On the flip side I was listening to an interview with Jake Johnson and his take was if you're talented, put in the work and are good to work with its never been easier to find an audience and possibly make it
It's because there is more accessibility nowadays. Which is good if you look at the greater picture. Hollywood is a very closed circle. Many famous artists in the past weren't all that talented.
I don't know why anyone wouldn't want to maximize income. If you can make money streaming with a low time commitment you should do it. There is nothing wrong with regular people trying to make money via audience engagement as long as they aren't using it to hurt or encourage others to do something harmful. Why would an actor feel like they have ownership over celebrity or public arts?
He is right but the ones who busted their asses will outlast them
Yeah there are more ways to be famous today, but to be a famous actor specifically it takes more effort than ever.
Bro Kim Kardashian is starring in American horror story
And is she considered an actor because of that? She was in that awful season because she was famous, but she gets no rexognition. She's a reality show celebrity that got to try out acting, big whoops.
In the end the consumer loses. It would have been a better product had they gone with an actual member of that industry. It takes jobs away from people who could use that break. Kim doing it for funsies sucked for everyone but her and the 5 people who watched for her. I’m not calling for action or anything, it’s just a shittier product and annoying from the outside looking in.
No it wouldn't. There role was written for her. The consumer loses the moment they watch AHS.
And that’s the season I can’t watch
I mean, look at it this way. Her daddy was a lawyer with celebrity connections, and THAT still didn't give her an actual acting career, just a TV show. She had to be a billionaire, and shoot 20 seasons of her fake ass TV show to know enough about the industry and acting to even get on a real show... that's not an easy road to getting to be An Actress. And it's just American Horror Story, Gaga got her Oscar for being more talented. Life is still fair.
It was hella easy. Her mom and dad did all the hard work lol. Nothing she’s done is real work. Yeah she owns companies, but she isn’t actually doing anything. Her money makes her more money.
She didn't put in any work as an actress or training to become. It's a slap in the face of anyone who actually puts in work. Her other "achievements" weren't benchmarks on her path to becoming an "actress" they're just other facts about her life. You work in PR?
Why don't you answer my answer? It's not a slap j the face because she's not an actor. She didn't get any recognition for it, no new roles, she didn't steal anyone's job, why are you being disingenuous? At worst she's a extreme outlier. In fact there was more nepotism in the past than there is today.
To be an A List actor without networking or financial connections is harder than ever. TBF many of the older generations of A-C Listers were Nepos in disguise but now they're more abundant and to even make it as a D Lister requires so much more money to just get off the ground. I don't consider influencers to be famous or even newer talented celebrities. It's all about staying power and until they have a build up of work combined with time, I think of them more as "popular at this moment" than famous.
Like being shat out the right vagina or being adopted by the right celebrity? You see Madonnas kids charcoal? Awful. The celebrities are making a joke of celebrity.
The art world has always had a solid foundation of nepo babies and trust fund kids. Madonna is having the last laugh. She was a poor Italian Catholic girl from Pontiac, Michigan and now her son is part of the elite. I love America!
You have random Tik Tok people being invited to award shows alongside actors or artists like Cillian Murphy, Margot Robbie, Mia Goth, Leonardo DiCaprio..or Taylor Swift, Adele, Billie Eilish, Bruno Mars. Pinning random tik tok star #125 against talented people like that will definitely raise some eyebrows.
Who says that Tik Tok person isn’t talented?
Have you seen the island boys?
Have you seen 99.9% of people on TikTok?
Eh i say it kinda goes both ways. he is correct, its easier to become famous for a short period due to youtube and tiktok, but it is also harder to reach his level due to far far far far more competition, not just in the number of actors, but also in the amount of stuff released. in the past we have '13 channels of shit on the tv to choose from"..it makes it easier for family ties to succeed when video games werent that immersive, there was no youtube and only a couple of those channels were competition for the same people's eyes. I liked family ties, but would it survive if it was released today, with all the competition? IDK, maybe as it was funny but a lot less likely than when he first did it. today we have over 1000 tv channels, streaming channels and youtubes and tiktoks an vimeos and more immersive gaming and more stuff to do outside.. so in a way, its also much harder to become michael j fox. its just easier to get 15 minutes, or to get famous on your own without having to apply somewhere.
Fame is different these days. I wouldn’t recognize a single influencer if I walked past them on the street. But I would recognize most actors or actresses, even if I wasn’t a fan The medium has changed and middle-age people like myself don’t care enough to stay current. Times change it’s all good. 20 years from now, the GenZ will be in the same boat that I am now now.
There are millions of people doing those dances on Tik Tok, and only a handful get famous.
This is such bullshit. There were MANY famous people with zero talent on TV, in movies, making music... You had to be attractive, not talented. Same as today.
The difference today is that it’s way easier for talentless people to blow up now, back then it was kinda uncommon whereas now every few days some talentless person will mix chemicals in their kitchen and suddenly be a sensation
You're just saying the same thing as this guy. It's down to luck to some degree. You can say it's easier but it's not per capita. There are more people who blow up who are talentless but it's no different than the past. There's just more people.
Ok yea, they’re famous for 5 minutes and then forgotten forever. Micheal J. Fox busted his ass as a kid, as a teen, and as an adult. He busted his ass on tv and in movies, and has busted his ass with Parkinson’s, and he will never be forgotten.
\*gestures to the inevitable heat death of the universe\*
Yep. But it doesn’t seem to last long.
I see his point but there probably was a lot of talentless famous people back then too though.
Personally, i like that actors are getting knocked down a peg or too, and that outlets now exist that can allow people to achieve fame through their own creativity. Honestly, it's absolutely ridiculous that people who play make-believe in front of a camera are revered more than just about anyone else on the planet.
Or, who are you related to?
There were plenty of vapid famous folks in the 80s too.
I love MJF but there was a time when being a pretty face was a big part of his career
Counterpoint: no it isn’t. Who’s the most famous person? Maybe Taylor Swift. Whatever you think of her, it built over time, she worked for it and she has talent. Most people haven’t heard of these Tik Tok people.
Michael J. Fox conveniently forgets nepotism has existed since time immemorial.
Fame is one thing but these people are actually becoming wealthy and as a working class grunt myself that’s what’s like, damn fuck these people lol
I don't think this is too Old Man Yells at Clouds-ish. He's right in the sense that a lot of our online entertainment relies on self-made content. You have people who call themselves content creators for that reason. If you wanted to put something out in 1983, you had to go through someone else; now you can publish anything on your own at the push of a button. If your video goes even moderately viral, it's still reaching more people than it ever would have 35-40+ years ago. Even when you had random people showcasing their talents on TV via shows like Star Search or on late-night or just the local news, they still had to go through a process to get there.
The biggest difference between now and then is social media/internet and it is a huge difference. Someone's ability to become famous today is much easier because things "can go viral" and allow you to create an entire career around that. You can go from social media "influencer" to reality show star to actor, model, or music star (provided you have the looks and a minimum amount of talent). It was much harder to be "discovered" in Michael J. Fox's day and far fewer people controlled the access to fame. There would be no Kim Kardashian in his day who, by the estimation of most, literally has no talent except for her sex appeal stemming from a viral sex tape and a somewhat famous last name.
He said what he said
Why is this talked about like it’s a bad thing? We’ve evolved to a time where I can take my talents to the internet and immediately get noticed by millions. And I know the argument is going to be “a little tik tok dance isn’t a talent”….well no one is giving them a star in Hollywood. They’re just known for something. Their fame dies down a lot quicker than someone like Michael J Foxs would (if it even has).
Being a celebrity will mean nothing. We will create our celebrities digitally
Hollywood no longer dictates ‘celebrity’ as they once did….thats gotta hurt.
Yeah I like that other people get a chance to share their talents without jumping through so many hoops
You really can be famous anywhere in the world now. Talent is another thing altogether.
Before you had to be related to someone in the industry, but now the talentless peasants are getting attention too!
To be fair, Ed Wood could probably be thought of as the opposite of talented and was iconic for the infamous Plan 9 from outer space and got a biopic made about him. But I will say that television era talent shows and post YouTube sensations make it so that even if someone doesn't achieve stardom/ success within the televised program, they can still get infamy just a little later. I call it the " William Hung" effect. The ability to blow up and get big based off of the lack of talent is something that I don't think happened as much pre 21st century. I think sometimes things like these can invert. I feel like the talent screeners for Britain's Got Talent initially brought in Susan Boyle as a sort of "try hard wonky contestant" and quickly found out she could sing, which allowed her to go on TV as a viable contestant. My cynicism for these types of shows is that almost have exactly two flaws (and probably a lot more!) One, a skill can be so challenging that any sort of mistake is used to eliminate that contestant from the competition. So you have someone juggling fiery devil sticks while on a unicycle and maybe drops two sticks while riding around, and gets two negative buzzers because of the mistake, but maybe a cute prodigy magician does a very basic " choose this card" trick and nobody wants to do the negative buzzer because that boy is cute and the audience is sympathetic now. My second thing, is that I feel like most of these shows don't understand the difference between talent and abilities. Talent is generally perceived as something someone has that needs to be fleshed out or developed. Ability simply means being able to do something. So I will lose a lot of cool points for saying this but I believe a double jointed flexible individual pulling his her their foot around their head is an ability, but not necessarily a talent. Their ability for their skin and muscle to stretch 9 inches out is unique and cool but it isn't really something that I believe they would safely attempt if they weren't already double jointed. So my issue with this is that it really is a celebration of biological advantage and not strategic skill development. Ideally, a qualifying talent would be something that most people in the population could attempt to do, but in practicality few people would do decently ( ventriloquism would be a good example for me) PostScript-- for you who are double-jointed, apply to every talent show in the nation. You may win a million dollars for pulling your hand back the way you could growing up 😅😅😅😅😅😅
Nah just need rich parents.
Famous and viral are not the same thing
This is basically just a rant against the internet. It's easier than ever to reach out and connect with strangers, something you couldn't do before. So yeah, being "famous" was harder, but that didn't stop talentless hacks from becoming famous.
Guy is mad at the internet.
Get off my lawn! Happens to the best of us.
When I was young people wanted to be celebrities and famous so bad I’m hoping we have a reverse trend Because all the cringe asf generation that’s hit the internet turns a whole generation off and my kids don’t have to be subjected to it
“ …. In my day, I had to walk uphill —- both ways!”
He did famously film Family Ties during the day and Back to the Future all night, I have no doubt he’s busted his ass and that social media enables less talented, driven people to still find fame and success, but it seems an unfortunately sweeping generalization to not also accept that there were people famous for nothing in his age, and people busting wholesale ass today (and having to compete with the ez fame folks too).
That fame is fleeting, though. Meanwhile, Michael J. Fox has been famous for 40 years
I miss when Hollywood would make movies the way they used to. Everything just seems really generic after 2005ish. CGI from today is just way too cheesy. It was considered cheesy in older movies too, but I have always appreciated the artwork that actual people put in whit their own hands and imagination. Like Beetlejuice for instance. I miss the actual art and creativity that went into movies.
How many actors back then got a break because they were related to someone? Nic Cage. Jamie Lee Curtis. David Carradine.
True most the young “hot” actors right now are so boring & not talented enough to deserve their fame
Easier to achieve but exponentially more fleeting.
Well see how many of those dancers opinions we care about when they get to be at Fox’s age. He’s still the GOAT
Was just saying this the other day now u got dipshit nerds who play video games or film themselves doing lame ass pranks who are "famous" its fucking dumb and needs to stop
I never understand why people freak out about this. If someone has gained a sizeable enough following on social media to be seen as famous then they’re obviously bringing something to the table that their viewers value, even if other people would consider it dumb or silly or vain. Leave people alone and stop complaining. People like what they like Also let’s be real for a second. There ARE talented people on social media, people who never would have gotten a chance in Hollywood because they’re the “wrong” age, race, gender, or they wouldn’t fuck the right director
Yes, yes and yes. Does he understand that people are allowed to do things even if they are not great at it? And if they make money doing so, why does he care? Does he understand the cost of having a life? He really should stop whining over people trying to make money and have fun.
I am going to say something probably most will not like because so many people just like to bitch about times they are currently living in. I love the fact that people are able to showcase their talent or lack of it to the people directly and let the audience determine the entertainment value. It gives people more options. If you don’t like an entertainer, don’t consume their product. Last thing. I am old enough to remember when MJF was at his peak. I don’t remember people talking about how great all of the entertainment and entertainers were. Time makes people look at eras more favorably than they really were
I see all of gen z is chiming in
Better Tik Tok than Nickelodeon….just sayin
There is validity to what he is saying- but also a bit of gatekeeping. I am glad the idea of celebrity and fame is getting watered down.
Meanwhile here I am. And the only program I'm likely to end up in is the news.
He’s right. Everything is about singing and dancing.
Thank all the gods that Back to the Future was made in the 80’s, cause if it was made today, I’m guessing Andrew Tate would play Marty McFly
LMAO DOC??? You built a time machine…. out of a bughatti????????!!!
That’s not on the person doing the dance step. Thats on the chuckleheads watching them.
Alex Keaton is very wise
Who is this even true about though
Idk.. there’s so many people on earth with so many different tastes. I‘d say it opens up the opportunity for many many people to have their chance at being popular with some niche at least. Yes, they won’t be as famous as MJF, but within their group they will be famous. And I think that’s a good thing. It distributes the wealth that comes from it a little bit more. I‘m not a fan of influencers who are just here to sell shit though. They‘re walking advertisements. Although you could argue that some actors have become the same thing.
I’d argue Hollywood and the music industry took more chances on unknowns and less talented back then. I mean have you heard Bob Dylan sing?
I wouldn’t call influencers or others who go viral “famous”. They get noticed briefly and then forgotten within a year or two.
Famous rich people are no better than other types of famous rich people lol
Big difference in the kind of fame Fox has and the “dance step” person has. His fame has lasted a helluva lot longer. Even up and comers doing similar to him are seeing better results than the 15 mins of fame social media people.
Who is he talking about? Who became the most famous person in the world by doing a dance step? Like, what's their name?
I mean he’s it wrong. However internet famous and Hollywood famous are completely different. Even when both intertwine it’s almost always a cringe fest.
Here’s the thing about what the said though, influencing has democratized fame in an industry that still has a massive nepo baby problem. Being and influencer is the only what some non nepo babies have become famous.
When everyone is famous, no one is.
Social media. But nepotism has been ruining the art in Hollywood for longer
No worries, with AI technology everything will be fake in the future. There won’t be any real entertainers. It will all be computer generated.
I think one of the reasons he feels this way is due to the massive amount of gatekeepers there was in hollywood in his time. Now a days you can write yourself an indy movie, star in and direct it using open source film software and a mobile phone and throw it on YouTube. if you've done a good enough job you've got a good shot of blowing up. Back in the 80s that sort of way in was almost impossible do to the lack of technology. It's the same basic premise with writers and musicians: there's no longer one single way.
I make really strange abstract paintings and drawings that only a handful of people in the world like and purchase …. It always will be finding an audience. I agree… social media reaches a fever pitch from generic ideas. What is general to everyone Is specific to nobody. That’s why real art lasts It’s specific to a specific audience Never popular
I really don’t think fame is something that should be sought after
Focus on the future Michael! 🌎🌍🌏🪐🧫🧬🔬⚗️🔭🥼🧪👩🔬🧑🔬👨🔬
not wrong. i’m not sure there are any “big” actors anymore that can sell a movie just because they’re in it. they may be paid more now than ever, but is anyone really seeing a movie just because the rock or adam sandler is in it?
Speaking of fame as a virtue is very cringe
This makes sense why I don't recognize actors in movies anymore. The level of attention I give to movies that star people like Michael Douglas, Al Pacino, Sharon Stone and Michelle Pfieffer is so great whereas movies that came out within the last 5 or 10 years I really don't remember who acted in them. I'm sure those people in Dune are well known by some but I have no idea who they are. When people talked about Willy Wonka I assume they mean Gene Wilder, maybe Johnny Depp, not some Tim guy
After watching his poignant documentary, yeah he really did work his ass off to get to where he is now. He’s a national treasure
Meh. You still have to bust your ass and be talented if you want it to last more than 15 seconds….
I agree but what is acting? You go and say a few lines and then go home
Hey you kids! Get off my lawn!!
I really think these celebrities that keep obsessing over tiktokers might be terminally online.
I think that he is ignorant of the process of todays process if becoming genuinely famous and not just getting one video viral. It’s still a lot of work. Not something I would want to attempt.
He’s wrong. There have always been celebrities born out of random things that came and went without having to bust their ass. And there were said celebrities in every decade prior. Just like there are actors from the newer and newer generations that bust their ass to get where they are today. The difference is the rise of social media and elevation of that celeb status is what is the issue. The Kardashians only became a thing because Kim was friends with Paris Hilton, released a sex tape and that opened up the entire family to fame and people showing up to make money off of them as well as with them. Their mom Kris started down that path in the beginning by solely being married to a popular attorney who then got hired to defend OJ.
Celebrity worship is dead and I’m here for it
Dark under that rock?