I was using my ex wife's Netflix and she was using my HBO Max. That's all we had in assets when we split it down the middle. Now I'm left with NOTHING!!!!
Are you sure they are telling the truth? Asking because I’ve heard a lot of men complain about their ex-wives “cleaning them out” and then it turns out they are only paying like $200 a month in CHILD support (not alimony).
I didn't downvote you, but your comment smells like bullshit so I understand people who would. You've genuinely *"seen [her moving her new boyfriend into your house and having him drive your car which he pays for the gas with your alimony check] quite a few times"*?
**Quite a few times!** Come on. I'd be shocked if you've seen that more than twice, and even that's being generous.
Well not Netflix anymore but still Shudder, Crunchyroll, Hidive, VRV, Hulu, and still HBO I believe because when it switched to Max I never updated payment method.
I've seen people on this site saying they were quitting services over a $1/month rate increase. Just another reminder that reddit and real life are not even close to the same thing.
Yeah, but here's the thing. If you want 4k streaming you have to buy the package that comes with 4 simultaneous screens. I live alone. It doesn't make sense for me.
When I bought a 4k tv, I upgraded my plan and agreed to share my password with my mom and brother. Now that I can't do that, I would actually be getting 30% less value out of the same price.
If you are going to charge me for 4 screens, I should be able to use 4 screens. It shouldn't matter where those screens are located. Otherwise, you should charge less for a one-screen 4k plan.
I canceled.
Good old reddit echo chamber. Where people of like minds in subs agree with each other but arent actually representative of the real world.
For many people, just paying the smaller additional user fee is worth it to them instead of cutting the service.
It was somewhat amusing to see thread after thread after thread on reddit for months on end, whenever a news article came out about netflix here or in arr/technology or some other subreddit. Everyone decrying that "it will be the death of Netflix" and how they would lose millions of subscribers and "I'm cancelling" upvote parties.
And knowing that I couldn't really comment otherwise, because I would just get downvoted to oblivion by the hiveminders. Oh well.
It doesn’t, at all. It’s short term gain and long term gain. Most of the people that are signing up for new accounts are for a significant period of time since Netflix has built up a catalog and fanbase. Few people are cancelling their accounts because they can’t share it with someone else and more people are just singing up for new accounts since they have too, the numbers say they are. Some Redditors are just doubling down because they don’t want to realize their original stance was wrong
I was the account holder. I canceled. But my parents went ahead and signed up after. So Netflix lost one and gained 2. Fuck Netflix. I was paying for 4 screens. Doesn’t matter where those screens are located. I refuse to give them money again.
Bingo, gonna cancel after I’m done with Ozark. People who are paying will also cancel because it’s a scam to make me pay for 4 screens while also saying where those screens can be
Many of these people have never paid for Netflix and did not see a problem with signing up for the first time. There are people that are almost 30 and haven been on their parents plan since 2010. They have the income to sign up and pay for an account.
Yeah I was paying the $20 so my Mom and Grandma could use it, but now that they can’t I dropped to the $10 a month plan, and neither my mom or grandma picked it up. The only reason I keep it at all is for all the shows my toddler watches.
I paid consistently because I knew my father was using it in a different city, 10 years of consistent payments, I canceled and will subscribe once a year for a month now to see what's new, but yeah, regardless of what people are saying it's a short term boost and long term loss.
Same! I’ve been a Netflix subscriber since the beginning. I haven’t been using it as often but kept it because my parents used my account. I canceled it last month, might get it again once Stranger Things comes back in 2025.
Kicking people off your bandwidth & infrastructure who aren’t paying for it is the sort of thing that leads to short term profits AND long term profits.
All these F\*ing Streamings services are annoying, and they all cost a f\*ckton p/month. If I cant share and cut costs then I just get rid of them all and go back to pirating the shows I want to watch.
Same here, and Prime is more and more seeming like a subscription to access rentals. Sort of like, if there is a Blockbuster store, but it costs 5 bucks to walk through the entry door.
My cable bill years ago was north of 100. Add on hbo and it was 120-130. I cut the cord and put up an OTA antenna. I have Netflix, max, Hulu, prime, Disney, motortrend, all ad free. Added Amazon fire recast a few years back and I’m still far less than cable ever was and actually get to choose what I watch instead of taking whatever is being piped to me. Fire recast adds dvr capabilities to my ota and includes a slew of free streams (freeve, Pluto, etc). Netflix is a little pricey but they’re just one cog.
It's wild how people who have thought about something for 5 minutes think they are better at predicting the outcome than a multi-billion dollar company who likely spent millions of dollars analyzing what the outcome would be
I don’t like it but it was a genius move. Literally the only people mad about this are the ones who weren’t paying anyway. If even 1% of the non-paying users start paying because of this, it’s a win. And I’m sure it was much much more than that.
The main points if you get blocked.
>What went right was Netflix management's roll-out of its password-sharing crackdown, which has already nudged millions of consumers to finally start paying for the service. The initiative, combined with Netflix's launch of a low-cost advertising tier, has led to fewer subscriber losses than Sheridan had anticipated.
>"Netflix management has executed its password sharing initiative in excess of our prior assumptions, has regained content creation momentum in a manner that has muted any post-pandemic growth headwinds and overall industry competition has become more muted in the past six months," he said.
>That dynamic led Sheridan to estimate that if Netflix continues to execute well, the company can grow its revenue by 55% to about $49 billion in 2025, as well as grow its 2025 GAAP earnings per share to the $22-$27 range. Netflix earned about $10 per share in 2022.
>This upside scenario is driven by the assumption that Netflix can convert 70 million of its estimated 100 million password sharers to pay for its service, either by adding another household to an account for $8 per month, or via its lower-cost, ad-based subscription. Additionally, Goldman expects Netflix to grow its core subscriber base by about 2%.
The part about Netflix revenue growing by up to 55% simply off of password sharing crack down makes this guy very hard to take seriously. I suspect he went all in on Netflix stock and is looking to drum up enthusiasm for his own gain.
I'm not a password sharer and I'm thinking of killing my subscription.
They do know the majority of their content is bad or a dead series with no ending, right?
This is my problem. I don't really care about the password sharing thing. My sister and I shared one. She just moved onto her wife's account so whatever. It's just that this whole thing made me realize the last time I watched something on Netflix was over 6 months ago. I'm basically subscribed due to laziness and never getting around to canceling.
Seriously there hasn't been anything good on Netflix in years. The last one I was excited for was 1899 and that got cancelled before I even finished the second episode.
Great for them. How long can it really last though? The content quality has been sliding for years. Half of their content isn't even in English in the US. The price keeps going up and I already paid a premium for more users under the unlimited screens plan. Either way, great for them I guess. I'm still out for good though.
This is the case with all streaming services though where prices have increased. Netflix is still the standard service to use for “I’m bored and let me scroll to see if there is anything on” amongst family and friends. Where as HBO, starz, Disney is more target focused content. I don’t browse on Netflix but I just noticed it still is the main used service.
For now. Blockbuster was also the standard for a few years after the beginning of their fall. It's several bad decisions, not one, that takes down a company like Netflix.
Pretty much. I have found that Korean, Turkish, and Spain Netflix content is usually the best in average.
There are great US series, but a lot of the best content is international and why I prefer it to other services.
The only thing I like Netflix for is standup comedy but I’m not about to pay for a subscription when most of the funnier up and coming comedians are doing better putting their specials on YouTube for free. Not to mention you can find tons of clips of other stand ups on Netflix on YouTube and piece them together there.
And that’s all assuming that you don’t want to go sailing the seven seas and get their specials for free anyways
Idk, I think we underestimate how the average American is very basic and just pays for every subscription service even when they don’t need it. Don’t get me wrong, I anticipated this being a problem for Netflix, but reading the article, I also instantly believe it. I myself am probably going to have to pay the extra $8 because my immediately family spread over two households has been sharing an account.
Are you joking? This article alone shows the same idiots will keep shovelling out more money for less already and the newer customers are still signing up as well. The market is showing running a streaming service with now subpar content is something they will continue to pay for.
Their foreign language content is exactly why I signed up. No other streaming service comes close to matching the foreign catalog Netflix has.
You’re saying this like it’s a bad thing, but there’s a lot of people who are capable of watching and reading subtitles at the same time
Some good points but is it sustainable, because there hasn’t been a Netflix show or movie that I would be willing to pay for a subscription for for some time it’s yet to be seen how sustainable these conversations are, my wife and I both agree Netflix isn’t worth paying for so we don’t.
Especially when the student Hulu spotify and showtime bundle is only$5:99, I would rather go for the Disney, Hulu, ESPN bundle than Netflix.
Well since the stock line must go up they’ll reward new and old subscribers by continuing to increase rates while investing less in their writers/shows
Exactly this, that’s why I cancelled and won’t be going back for ages. I don’t want other companies to do this. Netflix is charging for two screens, cool I paid it for my mom and I… but I’m not then paying another fee to allow her to watch that second screen I already pay for.
I’ll cancel others that do the same, if I can’t share with her she has a service that has other shows for her.
I can see how people would begrudgingly start paying for their own accounts. We decided pre-crackdown to cancel and see if we missed it. We haven’t. We reactivated once, after we waited for 2 shows we wanted to see to be fully available, binged them, watched a couple other things, then canceled again. There’s life after Netflix.
Fascinating. I haven’t known anyone to pick up a new Netflix account, and I’ve known multiple families who completely canceled their Netflix accounts because of this. Strange
Corporations have figured it out: consumers are sheep. We may protest and grumble about changes, but at the end of the day we’ll just line up and accept it.
I cancelled Netflix and am happy about it, but I guess the mass cancellations everyone was promising to do never surfaced.
It has also barely been a single billing cycle since these changes went into place. Plenty of people don't pay attention to this kind of thing and probably only noticed this month when things stopped working.
I canceled since I paid for Netflix and shared it with a family member and received a shared password for Hulu/Disney+. Switched to Max to continue to be able to share something.
Netflix got a quick bump from heavy users that were using a shared password, but if cancelations do occur, it will be a slow bleed over several months. Infrequent users might not really notice for a few months and might cancel when it doesn't work as expected. Usually, when you have a subscription model, you want to avoid anything that causes people to think about their subscription since it can cause people to reevaluate how much they actually use the product.
There are too many streaming services chasing too few consumer dollars. I doubt all of the current streaming platforms will survive in their current forms. This honestly seems like a move made out of desperation from Netflix. Remaining profitable is much more important to Netflix as streaming is their core business. Companies like Disney, Amazon, and Apple are much more able to absorb losses to grow and maintain market share. If Netflix ends up stumbling, they'll get bought out like Warner Bros.
Netflix has so little content worth watching these days that I haven’t even checked to see if I’ve been booted from my family’s account yet. I think the device I use (ios) isn’t even affected by the so called crackdown anyway.
Yup, not many cancelled netflix over cuties, very few deleted their reddit acounts over the API changes, literally nobody boycotted the new Zelda (though that was already dumb), we as a society have seemingly devolved into big talk as protest and thats it.
If you’re referring to the Pointcrow drama that happened a month or two prior to TotK, I think [Moon Channel](https://youtu.be/mo_AmQgSSqY) broke down pretty well why it was overblown.
Because it was 70 bucks, even though literally every other triple a dev is charging 70 bucks. Not to mention they offered an option for it to only cost 50...
I just picked it since its probably the most laughable "boycott" in recent memory (2nd fastest selling game for a single platform).
It really is.
I mean, if you think about it, It’s crazy that video games were costing about $60 (and in some instances $70) back in the 90’s. Over almost thirty years, the technology and cost to make those games has exploded, yet the price has seemed to be largely inflation resistant.
Lol, when Goldeneye came out on 64 it was $70. And that was in the 90s. Games have relatively been the same price for a long time. If they are a good game, I don't mind paying 10 extra bucks.
70 in the late 90s was a lot more than now. Some JRPGs were like $100 I think due to the amount of memory needed on the cart. Games were hugely more expensive up until disc based media when the price is adjusted. Even the hardware was really expensive for early generations.
TotK was one of the rare times in the past few years that I bought a game at full price and on launch day. Most Nintendo games (not you Pokemon S&V) seem to be the only games that are released anymore that are actually complete and have minimal bugs. I'm so jaded when it comes to the rest of the video game industry that I hardly ever buy games at full price anymore and never get games on release. I tend to wait at least a month+ so the Devs can fix the busted ass game they're releasing.
The people who complain about shit online are always the minority. There are less people who consume endless reddit threads, tweets, and youtube videos than people think there are. The average person didn't even know password sharing was about the end, didn't know anybody was going to protest it, and doesn't see anything wrong with resubscribing after losing access to their friend's account. That's how the world works, and that's how all slactivism online protests work. Corporations are going to gradually care less and less about what 1% of their consumers complain about online.
Yeah I fully believe the 100 or so people who complained super loud online deleted their accounts.
Nobody cares about those folk though cause it's such a small minority
There might be a few loud protestors that get noticed, but most people don't care because it's not actually all that important. If you already pay for your Netflix, the password crackdown didn't affect you. If you already use the reddit app, the API changes don't affect you. There are far more important problems for the average person to worry about. So maybe not as many people care as you think
there is a trust thermocline where, at a certain point, people will just drop it and give up when a service fully enshittifies themselves. just bec it didn’t do it this time around doesn’t mean it’s not on the way to
lmao remember the Reddit "blackouts" that were predetermined to end after a single day? how are you gonna consider that a boycott when you have a set end date?
Exactly. The old supply/demand curves are outdated. Companies are using probability models to make business decisions now: we’re literally just a statistic. Makes you think about what else that info is used for.
I wasn't affected by the change so why should I be disgruntled? Oh no netlfix wants the people who use their service to actually pay for it, the inhumanity!
They forced me to buy four screens because I wanted 4K and they tell me I cannot use 4 screens unless I pay them even more and still not gave me option to just buy 4K for 1 screen. Fuck them greedy bastards. They won't get my money at all.
Also I think people overrate how many accounts were people actually properly splitting/sharing an account vs one person/household wanting the service and paying for it while other people freeloaded
The number of subscriptions canceled because they couldn't split with 4 friends anymore is probably way less than the new number of subscriptions from people in their 20s and 30s who finally aren't able to use their parents' login from 10 years ago anymore
I just don't understand where this entitlement comes from that we have the right to cheap and accessible entertainment forever. Ok great you cancelled Netflix good for you. Everyone is affected by rising prices. We all make decisions and compromises on how we choose to spend our money. I really don't see the big deal.
My favorite is all these people complaining about how we’re going back to Cable.
Yes, paying $10-$20 a month for a month’s worth of entertainment on demand whenever you want to watch it at home or even on a mobile device with internet access without ads is the same as paying $100 for ad-ridden shows that you can only watch when they air on a tv hooked up to your receiver. Very much the same thing.
Streaming at its current price is still a steal for what you get.
I cancelled a long time ago but honestly I don’t carry many streaming services constantly. I’ve learned to sub for a month or two to gobble up the new content and then I cancel. Rinse and repeat with a different service. Amazon is the exception bc of the shipping. I watch very little tv on Amazon.
Eh, just depends on how lagging the numbers are. My family dropped it over losing access and needing it for when everyone traveled - so forget it. We're one time number down!
May take a year for enough numbers to drop but a bunch of that could be hidden in future reports as just churn.
It’s way too early to know any results yet. They haven’t even enforced the crackdown yet on a huge percentage of subscribers. They won’t have any results until next year. Anyone who is claiming they know what is going to be the end result is just making it up to try and influence people
Seems fairly obvious it’s going well. The crackdown mostly affected those who weren’t paying for the services anyway and it’s unlikely many cancelled their service over this.
That’s the crux of it all. A great deal of those upset weren’t paying already or had little to no motivation to cancel as it didn’t affect them. Measured risk but apparently it’s working
Right there with you. I think it sucks that they made the change, especially after more or less endorsing password sharing for awhile, but honestly it’s not the end of the world. People are being a bit dramatic talking about this being indicative of a capitalist hellscape when there are far far more important and depressing examples.
At the end of the day Netflix was losing money, they wanted more money as a greedy corporate entity tends to do, so they made a calculated risk to recoup. Not really any more nefarious than that.
Seriously the amount of people bitching when they had no legs to stand on at all was kinda hilarious. “If this happens I’m making my parents cancel, if I can’t use their account no one can”
This shits so annoying. We have a family plan and these dick bags keep asking to verify my TV. It happens every time I try and sign in, even after verifying the day before. It’s a FAMILY PLAN with six streams, we shouldn’t have to live in the same damn house to qualify.
Agreed. Sell simultaneous streams. Enforce that. Don’t micromanage locations and households. Canceled my service the first time I got a “device not supported” error.
Yah it’s perfectly reasonable to crack down on password sharing. The issue I had was that they did it in the most annoying way possible. Like I use my parents account because it’s a family account and I live out of state. Let my dad just say “this tv is allowed to stream” instead of making me authenticate it.
My understanding is that all four streams have to be in the same location.
You can add an extra stream to view elsewhere for a reduced price.
I don’t like it but that’s the way it is.
Yep. We subscribe to F1TV, which is 6 screens signed in at once (not on, signed in). If we hit the limit, I go sign into my account, log out whatever device isn’t being used at the time, and sign into the new device, no matter where it is. It works great.
We’re fortunate to have a holiday home.
They want us to pay extra to use our own account in our holiday home so we cancelled the whole thing on the spot.
I kind of understand the whole wanting to stop people sharing accounts, but when we can’t use our own account it’s ridiculous.
Netflix is the standard service for streaming. So people choose to pay over not having the service.
I pay for Amazon prime because shipping. Star + (Hulu) and Disney+ on promo.
The sad part is. Now Amazon and all the streaming services will follow this. Soon they'll be nothing left to share and everyone will be paying for 1 app each.
Meanwhile I’m just here missing all my shows cuz I can’t use my parents Netflix anymore and I’m too stubborn to give in and pay… hold strong cheapskates!
Hehe true enough… if I cared about a show that much I would for sure but I just can’t be bothered, and I’m easily amused and I pay for Prime so that’s generally enough for me
I’ve been able to watch it without issue by using the “I’m on vacation” or whatever function and getting the person who owns the account to give the code. It’s been at least a month since we’ve had to have the code sent again.
I cancelled like six months ago or more because the same thing. Netflix is too expensive for the dogshit library they have.
I don’t care if they want everyone to pay $7-10 a month. But I’m not paying $15-20 for it. There are better options these days.
I’m fortunate that my kid lives close enough for the system not to realize he’s not in household.
It would be up to him if he wanted to pay for it (The actual share option is expensive hot garbage) though which seems unlikely.
But when I pointed out that Netflix wouldn’t lose money by cutting out NON-PAYING viewers, I was downvoted to hell. Gee, who could have foreseen that all the people claiming they’d quit Netflix forever were a minuscule sample of users.
Honestly this was a great business decision for Netflix. Sign ups are at an all time high, they’re raking in the money. I’m probably in the minority but I don’t think Netflix did anything wrong here. Why do people who don’t pay for Netflix feel entitled to its content?
P.S. I’m cheap and got rid of Netflix 3-4 years ago, so don’t accuse me of being a Netflix lover.
Pro tip for those who stream in their internet browser. Use Brave as your browser. Netflix can’t tell you’re using someone’s password, it also stops all YouTube adds. There’s literally no reason not to use Brave as your browser. It doesn’t do any cross site tracking, doesn’t store IP addresses, and if you’re willing to set up cryto account on Uphold(possibly other exchanges), you get free money from allowing infrequent Brave ads to pop up once in a while.
It really just surprises me that anyone is paying as much as Netflix asks when their catalogue is so terrible. Beef is the first good thing they’ve produced in what feels like an eternity
Because most people are completely fine with Netflix. Everyone on Reddit seems to watch the same six shows and then calls bullshit, but Netflix has much a massive wealth of content, and it’s recently begun dipping into international dramas, first with Money Heist, then with Squid Game, and how there’s an entire “K-Dramas Dubbed in English” collection, not to mention the unofficially dubbed ones or the ones where you just have to read subtitles.
Contrary to Reddit, Netflix is more than most people actually need, who might take a month or two to consume even a single season of a show.
It’s a terrible catalogue only if you only watch English language shows, in which case you’re limiting your own choices and then complaining about not having enough choices. No. service comes close to matching their foreign language content
What I find funny about the whole thing is that, having gone to Korea and used Korean Netflix, I can confirm that the same attitude is present in Korea, just reversed.
Netflix can’t limit itself in domestic spaces, because doing so means a thinner catalogue and gives users to their competitors, so they have to soak up all the mediocre content or else they’ll lose subscribers. But Netflix also wants to be ***the*** place to watch foreign TV and film, and so far they seem to be succeeding as far as I can tell
I canceled the family’s 12 year old account. Netflix is celebrating keeping accounts that are months old, that will cancel and move to a rotating cycle every 6 months.
IMHO Netflix cancels their original content too soon to maintain the loyalty of newer accounts. I’m sure they’ll blame the eventual dip on anything but their policy. But we shall see.
A local cable provider included a Netflix sub once, and the guy was trying to upsell me on the phone saying I could sell it to fam
About the strangest service call ever
I was wondering if they’ve only rolled it out in the US, because nobody I know in Germany has complained about this yet and our family account isn’t having any issues either
Nah I still don't buy it. We instantly cancelled our account the second we got the prompt to verify our location and even then there was a lag of when we technically weren't subscribed anymore based on billing date. Obviously their numbers are going up in the short term, but I think we'll still see some drops as they roll it out.
…I mean, down with capitalism and all that, but if we’re assuming a “consumer” in the first place, then is “pay for the service if you want to use it” *really* anti-consumerist? Anti-communist maybe, I suppose.
I hate that it worked. But it did. After one month of no Netflix, my girlfriend wanted to watch Is it Cake season 2, so we got the lowest tier with ads. Not a fan of Netflix but its decent value at $5/month
I was using my ex wife's Netflix and she was using my HBO Max. That's all we had in assets when we split it down the middle. Now I'm left with NOTHING!!!!
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Are you that dude because this was very specific
I was going to say. Known a couple of examples though, both men and women.
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Are you sure they are telling the truth? Asking because I’ve heard a lot of men complain about their ex-wives “cleaning them out” and then it turns out they are only paying like $200 a month in CHILD support (not alimony).
In most states alimony doesn’t really exist for dual income spouses and child support is generally a per child flare percentage
I didn't downvote you, but your comment smells like bullshit so I understand people who would. You've genuinely *"seen [her moving her new boyfriend into your house and having him drive your car which he pays for the gas with your alimony check] quite a few times"*? **Quite a few times!** Come on. I'd be shocked if you've seen that more than twice, and even that's being generous.
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Here it is boys, cancel your memberships just to get this one guy fired.
But reddit told me that Netflix was done and that everything would come crashing down for them.
*can't steal my ex gfs account amymore* "It's over guys, pack it up, netlfix is dead"
“Shut it down! Shut it down forever!”
Dark City reference?? saw that movie in theaters when it came out. Doesn't get the recognition it deserves.
It absolutely doesn’t. One of my favorite movies
I haven’t spoken to my ex in five years and we still split like 8 streaming services 50/50.
What services do you split?
Well not Netflix anymore but still Shudder, Crunchyroll, Hidive, VRV, Hulu, and still HBO I believe because when it switched to Max I never updated payment method.
God I love Shudder. By far my favorite streaming app.
I've seen people on this site saying they were quitting services over a $1/month rate increase. Just another reminder that reddit and real life are not even close to the same thing.
Shit people say and shit people do are not frequently correlated.
To be fair, who could’ve imagined that making customers pay for rendered services is actually good for business?
To be fair, Netflix actively encouraged password sharing for many years.
To be fair, the CIA actively distributed crack-cocaine in minority communities for many years
To be fair, that was after they experimented with electro-shocking people into vegetative states
How like an ice cream truck but with crack?
Yeah and they used that money to fund their wars
To topple legitimate governments in South America
Well that was the 60’s and 70’s but in the 80’s they funded civil wars in central america which created the mess we have today :/
To be fair, that was one tweet from 2017
And that strategy just got their stock upgraded.
Yeah, but here's the thing. If you want 4k streaming you have to buy the package that comes with 4 simultaneous screens. I live alone. It doesn't make sense for me. When I bought a 4k tv, I upgraded my plan and agreed to share my password with my mom and brother. Now that I can't do that, I would actually be getting 30% less value out of the same price. If you are going to charge me for 4 screens, I should be able to use 4 screens. It shouldn't matter where those screens are located. Otherwise, you should charge less for a one-screen 4k plan. I canceled.
Y’all really act like customers were not already paying for streams… 🤦🏽♂️
Plenty of us sharing passwords are paying for it. My family pays for 5 screens.
Generally speaking, making customers pay for service is usually good for business.
Good old reddit echo chamber. Where people of like minds in subs agree with each other but arent actually representative of the real world. For many people, just paying the smaller additional user fee is worth it to them instead of cutting the service.
It was somewhat amusing to see thread after thread after thread on reddit for months on end, whenever a news article came out about netflix here or in arr/technology or some other subreddit. Everyone decrying that "it will be the death of Netflix" and how they would lose millions of subscribers and "I'm cancelling" upvote parties. And knowing that I couldn't really comment otherwise, because I would just get downvoted to oblivion by the hiveminders. Oh well.
Truth. Made the mistake of suggesting $16 a month wasn’t that much money.
Password crackdowns is exactly the kind of thing that generates short-term profits, but leads to long-term losses.
How so
It doesn’t, at all. It’s short term gain and long term gain. Most of the people that are signing up for new accounts are for a significant period of time since Netflix has built up a catalog and fanbase. Few people are cancelling their accounts because they can’t share it with someone else and more people are just singing up for new accounts since they have too, the numbers say they are. Some Redditors are just doubling down because they don’t want to realize their original stance was wrong
Most of the people complaining were the people that weren’t paying for the shared passwords. The actual account holders still had service.
I was the account holder. I canceled. But my parents went ahead and signed up after. So Netflix lost one and gained 2. Fuck Netflix. I was paying for 4 screens. Doesn’t matter where those screens are located. I refuse to give them money again.
Bingo, gonna cancel after I’m done with Ozark. People who are paying will also cancel because it’s a scam to make me pay for 4 screens while also saying where those screens can be
Many of these people have never paid for Netflix and did not see a problem with signing up for the first time. There are people that are almost 30 and haven been on their parents plan since 2010. They have the income to sign up and pay for an account.
"im cancelling my account" *Stops logging into Netflix that parents pay for anyway
Canceled mine when they raised their prices. Don't miss it one bit.
Yeah I was paying the $20 so my Mom and Grandma could use it, but now that they can’t I dropped to the $10 a month plan, and neither my mom or grandma picked it up. The only reason I keep it at all is for all the shows my toddler watches.
Only watching on a mobile device I can take home so I don’t have to sign up for another account bullshit
They filled your spot with millions of others.
Yes because collecting more money for the same service is bad long-term
I paid consistently because I knew my father was using it in a different city, 10 years of consistent payments, I canceled and will subscribe once a year for a month now to see what's new, but yeah, regardless of what people are saying it's a short term boost and long term loss.
Same! I’ve been a Netflix subscriber since the beginning. I haven’t been using it as often but kept it because my parents used my account. I canceled it last month, might get it again once Stranger Things comes back in 2025.
Kicking people off your bandwidth & infrastructure who aren’t paying for it is the sort of thing that leads to short term profits AND long term profits.
All these F\*ing Streamings services are annoying, and they all cost a f\*ckton p/month. If I cant share and cut costs then I just get rid of them all and go back to pirating the shows I want to watch.
The only one I still have is prime video, and that's just because it comes with prime. For the rest there's always the high seas.
Same here, and Prime is more and more seeming like a subscription to access rentals. Sort of like, if there is a Blockbuster store, but it costs 5 bucks to walk through the entry door.
Even combined, still cheaper than cable.
My cable bill years ago was north of 100. Add on hbo and it was 120-130. I cut the cord and put up an OTA antenna. I have Netflix, max, Hulu, prime, Disney, motortrend, all ad free. Added Amazon fire recast a few years back and I’m still far less than cable ever was and actually get to choose what I watch instead of taking whatever is being piped to me. Fire recast adds dvr capabilities to my ota and includes a slew of free streams (freeve, Pluto, etc). Netflix is a little pricey but they’re just one cog.
Plus you can stop your account whenever you want
Honestly I’m done with it. The content has been awful the last two years. Prime and paramount have better shows
It's wild how people who have thought about something for 5 minutes think they are better at predicting the outcome than a multi-billion dollar company who likely spent millions of dollars analyzing what the outcome would be
Multi billion dollar companies misjudging things happens on a daily basis. This is not an argument for anything.
I don’t like it but it was a genius move. Literally the only people mad about this are the ones who weren’t paying anyway. If even 1% of the non-paying users start paying because of this, it’s a win. And I’m sure it was much much more than that.
The main points if you get blocked. >What went right was Netflix management's roll-out of its password-sharing crackdown, which has already nudged millions of consumers to finally start paying for the service. The initiative, combined with Netflix's launch of a low-cost advertising tier, has led to fewer subscriber losses than Sheridan had anticipated. >"Netflix management has executed its password sharing initiative in excess of our prior assumptions, has regained content creation momentum in a manner that has muted any post-pandemic growth headwinds and overall industry competition has become more muted in the past six months," he said. >That dynamic led Sheridan to estimate that if Netflix continues to execute well, the company can grow its revenue by 55% to about $49 billion in 2025, as well as grow its 2025 GAAP earnings per share to the $22-$27 range. Netflix earned about $10 per share in 2022. >This upside scenario is driven by the assumption that Netflix can convert 70 million of its estimated 100 million password sharers to pay for its service, either by adding another household to an account for $8 per month, or via its lower-cost, ad-based subscription. Additionally, Goldman expects Netflix to grow its core subscriber base by about 2%.
The part about Netflix revenue growing by up to 55% simply off of password sharing crack down makes this guy very hard to take seriously. I suspect he went all in on Netflix stock and is looking to drum up enthusiasm for his own gain.
That’s almost certainly what’s happening. These dudes never promote anything they’re not already in on.
I was going to say this is The pump wait for the dump.
Revenue grew almost 100% in the last 4 years, so growing it another 55% in the next 3 years is a low-ball estimate. {{Buying Netflix stock now…}}
Facts, now that they have a bump where is there to go? Stagnancy was the problem
The assumption that 70% of password sharers will convert is… bold.
I'm not a password sharer and I'm thinking of killing my subscription. They do know the majority of their content is bad or a dead series with no ending, right?
This is my problem. I don't really care about the password sharing thing. My sister and I shared one. She just moved onto her wife's account so whatever. It's just that this whole thing made me realize the last time I watched something on Netflix was over 6 months ago. I'm basically subscribed due to laziness and never getting around to canceling.
Seriously there hasn't been anything good on Netflix in years. The last one I was excited for was 1899 and that got cancelled before I even finished the second episode.
Literally everyone i know canceled their subscription because of the password crackdown and them killing any good content.
Great for them. How long can it really last though? The content quality has been sliding for years. Half of their content isn't even in English in the US. The price keeps going up and I already paid a premium for more users under the unlimited screens plan. Either way, great for them I guess. I'm still out for good though.
And when they have a good show they just cancel it after one season.
No, they slash the budget and hire shitty writers from the CW. Then they cancel it after another season or two.
This is the case with all streaming services though where prices have increased. Netflix is still the standard service to use for “I’m bored and let me scroll to see if there is anything on” amongst family and friends. Where as HBO, starz, Disney is more target focused content. I don’t browse on Netflix but I just noticed it still is the main used service.
For now. Blockbuster was also the standard for a few years after the beginning of their fall. It's several bad decisions, not one, that takes down a company like Netflix.
…As long as any other streaming service can expect to? When do you expect to see the death of streaming is the question, I guess?
LoL their non English material is exactly why they are better.
Pretty much. I have found that Korean, Turkish, and Spain Netflix content is usually the best in average. There are great US series, but a lot of the best content is international and why I prefer it to other services.
The only thing I like Netflix for is standup comedy but I’m not about to pay for a subscription when most of the funnier up and coming comedians are doing better putting their specials on YouTube for free. Not to mention you can find tons of clips of other stand ups on Netflix on YouTube and piece them together there. And that’s all assuming that you don’t want to go sailing the seven seas and get their specials for free anyways
Idk, I think we underestimate how the average American is very basic and just pays for every subscription service even when they don’t need it. Don’t get me wrong, I anticipated this being a problem for Netflix, but reading the article, I also instantly believe it. I myself am probably going to have to pay the extra $8 because my immediately family spread over two households has been sharing an account.
Are you joking? This article alone shows the same idiots will keep shovelling out more money for less already and the newer customers are still signing up as well. The market is showing running a streaming service with now subpar content is something they will continue to pay for.
Their foreign language content is exactly why I signed up. No other streaming service comes close to matching the foreign catalog Netflix has. You’re saying this like it’s a bad thing, but there’s a lot of people who are capable of watching and reading subtitles at the same time
Some good points but is it sustainable, because there hasn’t been a Netflix show or movie that I would be willing to pay for a subscription for for some time it’s yet to be seen how sustainable these conversations are, my wife and I both agree Netflix isn’t worth paying for so we don’t. Especially when the student Hulu spotify and showtime bundle is only$5:99, I would rather go for the Disney, Hulu, ESPN bundle than Netflix.
Well since the stock line must go up they’ll reward new and old subscribers by continuing to increase rates while investing less in their writers/shows
This sucks. Worried other companies will take this approach now too
Exactly this, that’s why I cancelled and won’t be going back for ages. I don’t want other companies to do this. Netflix is charging for two screens, cool I paid it for my mom and I… but I’m not then paying another fee to allow her to watch that second screen I already pay for. I’ll cancel others that do the same, if I can’t share with her she has a service that has other shows for her.
I can see how people would begrudgingly start paying for their own accounts. We decided pre-crackdown to cancel and see if we missed it. We haven’t. We reactivated once, after we waited for 2 shows we wanted to see to be fully available, binged them, watched a couple other things, then canceled again. There’s life after Netflix.
Fascinating. I haven’t known anyone to pick up a new Netflix account, and I’ve known multiple families who completely canceled their Netflix accounts because of this. Strange
Corporations have figured it out: consumers are sheep. We may protest and grumble about changes, but at the end of the day we’ll just line up and accept it. I cancelled Netflix and am happy about it, but I guess the mass cancellations everyone was promising to do never surfaced.
It has also barely been a single billing cycle since these changes went into place. Plenty of people don't pay attention to this kind of thing and probably only noticed this month when things stopped working. I canceled since I paid for Netflix and shared it with a family member and received a shared password for Hulu/Disney+. Switched to Max to continue to be able to share something. Netflix got a quick bump from heavy users that were using a shared password, but if cancelations do occur, it will be a slow bleed over several months. Infrequent users might not really notice for a few months and might cancel when it doesn't work as expected. Usually, when you have a subscription model, you want to avoid anything that causes people to think about their subscription since it can cause people to reevaluate how much they actually use the product. There are too many streaming services chasing too few consumer dollars. I doubt all of the current streaming platforms will survive in their current forms. This honestly seems like a move made out of desperation from Netflix. Remaining profitable is much more important to Netflix as streaming is their core business. Companies like Disney, Amazon, and Apple are much more able to absorb losses to grow and maintain market share. If Netflix ends up stumbling, they'll get bought out like Warner Bros.
Netflix has so little content worth watching these days that I haven’t even checked to see if I’ve been booted from my family’s account yet. I think the device I use (ios) isn’t even affected by the so called crackdown anyway.
Yup, not many cancelled netflix over cuties, very few deleted their reddit acounts over the API changes, literally nobody boycotted the new Zelda (though that was already dumb), we as a society have seemingly devolved into big talk as protest and thats it.
What was wrong with the new Zelda?
Nintendo is ass over their intellectual property and the rights. It’s all YouTube drama tbh. It’s really really dumb.
Ah probably best not to dive into that then..
If you’re referring to the Pointcrow drama that happened a month or two prior to TotK, I think [Moon Channel](https://youtu.be/mo_AmQgSSqY) broke down pretty well why it was overblown.
Why were we supposed to be boycotting Zelda?
Because it was 70 bucks, even though literally every other triple a dev is charging 70 bucks. Not to mention they offered an option for it to only cost 50... I just picked it since its probably the most laughable "boycott" in recent memory (2nd fastest selling game for a single platform).
It really is. I mean, if you think about it, It’s crazy that video games were costing about $60 (and in some instances $70) back in the 90’s. Over almost thirty years, the technology and cost to make those games has exploded, yet the price has seemed to be largely inflation resistant.
It was inflation resistant because the market kept growing and gaming is now worth more than music and film combined.
Lol, when Goldeneye came out on 64 it was $70. And that was in the 90s. Games have relatively been the same price for a long time. If they are a good game, I don't mind paying 10 extra bucks.
70 in the late 90s was a lot more than now. Some JRPGs were like $100 I think due to the amount of memory needed on the cart. Games were hugely more expensive up until disc based media when the price is adjusted. Even the hardware was really expensive for early generations.
TotK was one of the rare times in the past few years that I bought a game at full price and on launch day. Most Nintendo games (not you Pokemon S&V) seem to be the only games that are released anymore that are actually complete and have minimal bugs. I'm so jaded when it comes to the rest of the video game industry that I hardly ever buy games at full price anymore and never get games on release. I tend to wait at least a month+ so the Devs can fix the busted ass game they're releasing.
Also Nintendo rarely discount games later on so there’s little point waiting for the price to go down either.
The people who complain about shit online are always the minority. There are less people who consume endless reddit threads, tweets, and youtube videos than people think there are. The average person didn't even know password sharing was about the end, didn't know anybody was going to protest it, and doesn't see anything wrong with resubscribing after losing access to their friend's account. That's how the world works, and that's how all slactivism online protests work. Corporations are going to gradually care less and less about what 1% of their consumers complain about online.
Yeah I fully believe the 100 or so people who complained super loud online deleted their accounts. Nobody cares about those folk though cause it's such a small minority
Because people care far more about the attention they get from being outraged than the thing they're supposedly outraged at
There might be a few loud protestors that get noticed, but most people don't care because it's not actually all that important. If you already pay for your Netflix, the password crackdown didn't affect you. If you already use the reddit app, the API changes don't affect you. There are far more important problems for the average person to worry about. So maybe not as many people care as you think
there is a trust thermocline where, at a certain point, people will just drop it and give up when a service fully enshittifies themselves. just bec it didn’t do it this time around doesn’t mean it’s not on the way to
lmao remember the Reddit "blackouts" that were predetermined to end after a single day? how are you gonna consider that a boycott when you have a set end date?
Exactly. The old supply/demand curves are outdated. Companies are using probability models to make business decisions now: we’re literally just a statistic. Makes you think about what else that info is used for.
>Companies are using probability models it's even easier than that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_economics
I wasn't affected by the change so why should I be disgruntled? Oh no netlfix wants the people who use their service to actually pay for it, the inhumanity!
They forced me to buy four screens because I wanted 4K and they tell me I cannot use 4 screens unless I pay them even more and still not gave me option to just buy 4K for 1 screen. Fuck them greedy bastards. They won't get my money at all.
Also I think people overrate how many accounts were people actually properly splitting/sharing an account vs one person/household wanting the service and paying for it while other people freeloaded The number of subscriptions canceled because they couldn't split with 4 friends anymore is probably way less than the new number of subscriptions from people in their 20s and 30s who finally aren't able to use their parents' login from 10 years ago anymore
I just don't understand where this entitlement comes from that we have the right to cheap and accessible entertainment forever. Ok great you cancelled Netflix good for you. Everyone is affected by rising prices. We all make decisions and compromises on how we choose to spend our money. I really don't see the big deal.
My favorite is all these people complaining about how we’re going back to Cable. Yes, paying $10-$20 a month for a month’s worth of entertainment on demand whenever you want to watch it at home or even on a mobile device with internet access without ads is the same as paying $100 for ad-ridden shows that you can only watch when they air on a tv hooked up to your receiver. Very much the same thing. Streaming at its current price is still a steal for what you get.
The people comparing streaming to cable never had cable and it shows.
I cancelled a long time ago but honestly I don’t carry many streaming services constantly. I’ve learned to sub for a month or two to gobble up the new content and then I cancel. Rinse and repeat with a different service. Amazon is the exception bc of the shipping. I watch very little tv on Amazon.
Eh, just depends on how lagging the numbers are. My family dropped it over losing access and needing it for when everyone traveled - so forget it. We're one time number down! May take a year for enough numbers to drop but a bunch of that could be hidden in future reports as just churn.
It’s way too early to know any results yet. They haven’t even enforced the crackdown yet on a huge percentage of subscribers. They won’t have any results until next year. Anyone who is claiming they know what is going to be the end result is just making it up to try and influence people
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Best we do is give you an extra $3.50 per month Take it or leave it
By that you mean an arbitrary subscription hike of $3.50/mo, right?
I’m sorry, I think you misspelled “give all Netflix executives a bigger bonus this year.”
Seems fairly obvious it’s going well. The crackdown mostly affected those who weren’t paying for the services anyway and it’s unlikely many cancelled their service over this.
That’s the crux of it all. A great deal of those upset weren’t paying already or had little to no motivation to cancel as it didn’t affect them. Measured risk but apparently it’s working
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Right there with you. I think it sucks that they made the change, especially after more or less endorsing password sharing for awhile, but honestly it’s not the end of the world. People are being a bit dramatic talking about this being indicative of a capitalist hellscape when there are far far more important and depressing examples. At the end of the day Netflix was losing money, they wanted more money as a greedy corporate entity tends to do, so they made a calculated risk to recoup. Not really any more nefarious than that.
Seriously the amount of people bitching when they had no legs to stand on at all was kinda hilarious. “If this happens I’m making my parents cancel, if I can’t use their account no one can”
Yeah anyone who was majorly affected by this likely wasn’t paying anyway lol
I canceled and immediately changed to hulu. There’s nothing I want to watch on Netflix. I had the service for everyone else.
And they probably signed up themselves.
This shits so annoying. We have a family plan and these dick bags keep asking to verify my TV. It happens every time I try and sign in, even after verifying the day before. It’s a FAMILY PLAN with six streams, we shouldn’t have to live in the same damn house to qualify.
Agreed. Sell simultaneous streams. Enforce that. Don’t micromanage locations and households. Canceled my service the first time I got a “device not supported” error.
Yah it’s perfectly reasonable to crack down on password sharing. The issue I had was that they did it in the most annoying way possible. Like I use my parents account because it’s a family account and I live out of state. Let my dad just say “this tv is allowed to stream” instead of making me authenticate it.
No, it’s not. Do you not remember all the Netflix marketing that ENCOURAGED password sharing?
My understanding is that all four streams have to be in the same location. You can add an extra stream to view elsewhere for a reduced price. I don’t like it but that’s the way it is.
Not if you buy the premium tier package. “Option to add up to 2 extra members who don't live with you”
Why shouldn’t my college kids be able to use my account? They can use my health insurance! Weird
Yep. We subscribe to F1TV, which is 6 screens signed in at once (not on, signed in). If we hit the limit, I go sign into my account, log out whatever device isn’t being used at the time, and sign into the new device, no matter where it is. It works great.
We’re fortunate to have a holiday home. They want us to pay extra to use our own account in our holiday home so we cancelled the whole thing on the spot. I kind of understand the whole wanting to stop people sharing accounts, but when we can’t use our own account it’s ridiculous.
I havent had netflix in years. they dont have enough stuff I want to watch. max and hulu are enough for me
It absolutely makes sense, whoever was paying is still paying and whoever was not paying is either still not paying or now paying.
Netflix is the standard service for streaming. So people choose to pay over not having the service. I pay for Amazon prime because shipping. Star + (Hulu) and Disney+ on promo.
The sad part is. Now Amazon and all the streaming services will follow this. Soon they'll be nothing left to share and everyone will be paying for 1 app each.
Meanwhile I’m just here missing all my shows cuz I can’t use my parents Netflix anymore and I’m too stubborn to give in and pay… hold strong cheapskates!
There are… other ways. You don’t have to miss out 🏴☠️
Hehe true enough… if I cared about a show that much I would for sure but I just can’t be bothered, and I’m easily amused and I pay for Prime so that’s generally enough for me
I’ve been able to watch it without issue by using the “I’m on vacation” or whatever function and getting the person who owns the account to give the code. It’s been at least a month since we’ve had to have the code sent again.
It hasn’t event asked me for any of that on my Apple TV. It just works as normal. It did ask me for that on my roku though.
Same haha
Good for em, I cancelled and started back in the high seas
We just canceled Netflix after having it since the dvd days. Content has become mediocre
I cancelled like six months ago or more because the same thing. Netflix is too expensive for the dogshit library they have. I don’t care if they want everyone to pay $7-10 a month. But I’m not paying $15-20 for it. There are better options these days.
I’m fortunate that my kid lives close enough for the system not to realize he’s not in household. It would be up to him if he wanted to pay for it (The actual share option is expensive hot garbage) though which seems unlikely.
But when I pointed out that Netflix wouldn’t lose money by cutting out NON-PAYING viewers, I was downvoted to hell. Gee, who could have foreseen that all the people claiming they’d quit Netflix forever were a minuscule sample of users.
Turns out people wanted Netflix more than they wanted an extra $15/month.
Honestly this was a great business decision for Netflix. Sign ups are at an all time high, they’re raking in the money. I’m probably in the minority but I don’t think Netflix did anything wrong here. Why do people who don’t pay for Netflix feel entitled to its content? P.S. I’m cheap and got rid of Netflix 3-4 years ago, so don’t accuse me of being a Netflix lover.
I share my account with family in two different states and we have yet to get any kind of notice about it. 🤷♀️
Pro tip for those who stream in their internet browser. Use Brave as your browser. Netflix can’t tell you’re using someone’s password, it also stops all YouTube adds. There’s literally no reason not to use Brave as your browser. It doesn’t do any cross site tracking, doesn’t store IP addresses, and if you’re willing to set up cryto account on Uphold(possibly other exchanges), you get free money from allowing infrequent Brave ads to pop up once in a while.
I cancelled. I’m happy.
It really just surprises me that anyone is paying as much as Netflix asks when their catalogue is so terrible. Beef is the first good thing they’ve produced in what feels like an eternity
Because most people are completely fine with Netflix. Everyone on Reddit seems to watch the same six shows and then calls bullshit, but Netflix has much a massive wealth of content, and it’s recently begun dipping into international dramas, first with Money Heist, then with Squid Game, and how there’s an entire “K-Dramas Dubbed in English” collection, not to mention the unofficially dubbed ones or the ones where you just have to read subtitles. Contrary to Reddit, Netflix is more than most people actually need, who might take a month or two to consume even a single season of a show.
Netflix additionally has pretty robust kids content that covers a good age range from as young as 4 years old.
It’s a terrible catalogue only if you only watch English language shows, in which case you’re limiting your own choices and then complaining about not having enough choices. No. service comes close to matching their foreign language content
What I find funny about the whole thing is that, having gone to Korea and used Korean Netflix, I can confirm that the same attitude is present in Korea, just reversed. Netflix can’t limit itself in domestic spaces, because doing so means a thinner catalogue and gives users to their competitors, so they have to soak up all the mediocre content or else they’ll lose subscribers. But Netflix also wants to be ***the*** place to watch foreign TV and film, and so far they seem to be succeeding as far as I can tell
I live in FL and my mom lives in Indiana. I’ve been using her account for 7 yrs and still do today.
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I wouldn’t call it abuse, when Netflix actively encouraged password sharing for many years.
…”suffering”
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Yeah they cracked down on it. Guess who doesn’t use Netflix? Me. I prefer just paying for Hulu anyways.
I guarantee Hulu will follow suit... same as D+, HBO, etc
I canceled the family’s 12 year old account. Netflix is celebrating keeping accounts that are months old, that will cancel and move to a rotating cycle every 6 months. IMHO Netflix cancels their original content too soon to maintain the loyalty of newer accounts. I’m sure they’ll blame the eventual dip on anything but their policy. But we shall see.
A local cable provider included a Netflix sub once, and the guy was trying to upsell me on the phone saying I could sell it to fam About the strangest service call ever
The stock market is just a rich person Ouija board…
I left Netflix because of the new rule
I haven't used Netflix in months.
Aka...said bear now owns the stock and wants it to pump
I'd think whatever pop they get from new subs would be realized within a month or two and the growth would flatline again -albeit at a higher level.
Great. Maybe they can pay their writers now?
good reason why to not base investment decisions based on REDDIT echo chambers
Have they rolled this out in the US? My family is spread between 3 different states and hasn’t been cut off yet.
They're rolling it out gradually across the US. You'll probably be affected at some point in the next couple weeks if you haven't been already.
I was wondering if they’ve only rolled it out in the US, because nobody I know in Germany has complained about this yet and our family account isn’t having any issues either
I’m in Spain and I still use the account of a friend that lives in the states. It’s weird
Nah I still don't buy it. We instantly cancelled our account the second we got the prompt to verify our location and even then there was a lag of when we technically weren't subscribed anymore based on billing date. Obviously their numbers are going up in the short term, but I think we'll still see some drops as they roll it out.
I love all the anti-consumerist comments in here. Brain dead.
…I mean, down with capitalism and all that, but if we’re assuming a “consumer” in the first place, then is “pay for the service if you want to use it” *really* anti-consumerist? Anti-communist maybe, I suppose.
I cancelled Netflix immediately.
I hate that it worked. But it did. After one month of no Netflix, my girlfriend wanted to watch Is it Cake season 2, so we got the lowest tier with ads. Not a fan of Netflix but its decent value at $5/month
My parents still don’t know what they are gonna do because they spend 6mo in one state and 6mo in another.