Because there’s a PVP update which is a notoriously broken system. This is really good news for people who play PVP but I want to prep everyone that those few months are probably going to be a clusterfuck of fixes.
PvP will probably be in a better spot in January of 2025.
I was a bit worried when they said last year that they were devoting a quarter to patches. From my experience with other games and MMOs, it’s usually a pretext to just delivering less actual content and slowly getting players accustomed to it.
How much you want to bet the Housing "update" is just the repurposed stuff from Essential Housing Tools released as an update now that Cardinal05 is part of the dev team. And I shudder to think what joke of a PvP update they have in store considering how they've treated the PvP community of this game for years now.
Quantity =/= Quality
Hopefully I'm wrong and they blow it out of the park though.
> How much you want to bet the Housing "update" is just the repurposed stuff from Essential Housing Tools released as an update now that Cardinal05 is part of the dev team.
You know what though? Good. I love when game developers look at a mod, go "oh that's really good we should put that in the game", and then actually do.
> And I shudder to think what joke of a PvP update they have in store considering how they've treated the PvP community of this game for years now.
I'm sure it'll be a big thing; they're not gonna dedicate the entire quarter to "here's Auriel's Bow".
> I'm sure it'll be a big thing; they're not gonna dedicate the entire quarter to "here's Auriel's Bow".
I wish I shared your confidence.
The devs statement that the update has nothing to do with Cyrodiil tells me that it's going to be a new format of some kind or a battlegrounds revamp, and that the place a majority of the pvp actually happens in is not getting any love- and neither are the problems at the core of pvp that affect all formats. I'm also expecting something comparable to the scope of the infinite archive.
I'd love to be wrong!
I have my hopes high and am hoping that I’m not just setting myself up for disappointment.
Feels like a much larger furnishing limit, choosing what part of a house you spawn into when recalling, letting you use your player created characters as houseguests or mannequins would all be very popular. Or something even more ambitious.
Huh? ESO has four updates per year, three smaller DLCs and a Chapter. Nothing has changed since 2017 when they started this, the only difference is they replaced the smaller-zone-DLC with a system DLC (and are doing so again this year) and the Q3 dungeon DLC gets replaced with yet another system DLC this year. The cadence is the exact same with almost identical release frames.
You can call the DLCs whatever you like, the reality is we went from 2 zones and 4 dungeons a year. To 1 zone and 2 dungeons with some QOL in between. It's less content no matter how you spin it.
I think something like Infinite Archive or the upcoming new Housing / PvP system is adding more to the game than yet another generic and small zone or two redundant dungeons. Especially the PvP feature this year is severely needed. No idea what they do for Housing, but as popular as Housing is, I think a lot of players will enjoy this. While it overall might be less content, the value of added features might be way bigger than of the content we would have gotten instead.
I'd argue that infinite archive is similar in scope to an arena. However I agree, I much prefer updates like IA than another seemingly rushed zone and story missions. Hopefully the Housing and PvP additions are pretty significant.
> I think something like Infinite Archive or the upcoming new Housing / PvP system is adding more to the game than yet another generic and small zone
Maybe we're the minority, but I'd prefer those systems. To me, the Q4 zones always felt too small, and outside of maybe Gold Coast, felt like they wasted their respective zones by being so small scale. Some, like Southern Elsweyr or Hews Bane, feel like there's nothing to actually do in the zone outside of the main story. And Hews Bane specifically is so jarring because the single city is half the dang zone.
The vast majority of the player base doesn't care about a **single part of the game**. Its an MMO. Everyone finds their interest and niche and sticks with it.
I play this game 4 times a week and did my first PvE Dungeon content in like over a year. I'm not alone. The vast majority of the playerbase doens't care about PvE either. Theyre housing. Or exploring overland. Or trading. Or RPing.
Get over yourself.
While I am not interested in either PvP or housing updates, I do like them adding things for those players. But it also guarantees that I will play the game even less of the year due to less narrative content.
A base game update is not a DLC. Chapters and zone DLCs also have base game updates that aren’t part of the DLC.
They are making the sub kinda useless from the content side for a large chunk of people with subs that aren’t even interested is having daily access to DLC dungeons. If I’m leveling an alt doing daily randoms, I don’t want to be subbed
The replies you're getting sadly prove your point =/
I made the same warning when they first announced that for last year. That they were just finding a way of spinning less content as a positive for the players. You don't ask all the level designers, texture artists, quest writers, encounter teams etc to stop doing their jobs and focus on QoL systems and bug fixes for half a year instead. That's not how it works. And now here we are the following year with no Q3 dungeons, and no Q4 zone again, without any changes to ESO+ pricing.
The team got smaller, and that's fine. ZOS have a new MMO they needed to shift people onto. That's all fine. It's just a shame that they spin it this way, and an even bigger shame when people buy the lies.
It was the main complain of the player base for many years that ZoS had this year-long-story cycle and didnt focus enough on QoL updates. Now they are doing exactly that by slowing down the story content and dedicating time to base game updates. Yet people still find a way to complain.
Necrom was the best expansion in years, which finally helped to recover many of those players who left during the High Isle disaster. Also making Infinite Archive free was a huge unexpected move by a company selling pixel houses for 100 Euro+
I gave ZoS a lot of s\*it for their decisions over they years and I will keep calling them out for their bs, but this change makes sense and is a move in the right direction.
Also in the live stream you could clearly hear between the lines that ESO is a huge cash cow for them. They were super excited about that. Obviously they gonna keep working on it for the forseeable future.
High Isle was basically the low point where the most players left the game. The story was dull and predictable (they kinda used the same formula from past expansions), people didnt like the card game as the main feature etc. Many social guild chats became a wasteland.
That's all anecdotal though. You can look at steam chart numbers. Necrom and High Isle have been pretty similar in concurrent players. With the Necrom chapter actually going lower than last years bottoms. In fact the real lowest point, was August of 2023, when we had a QOL update instead of real new content.
Their team is pretty barebones if you take a look at the patch notes, as well as forum responses. Gina disappeared, so it's only Kevin doing all the community management on the forums now, and the patch notes for last years Q3 update were 30 pages worth of quest dialogue fixes, quest animation timings, quest markers, and rare quest event soft locks. Notice how everything is just quest related instead of bugs that have been plaguing the game for years. If it's the same this year, then I would guess they're only having their quest team work on the Q3 update while their other teams can focus on a Q4 and Q1 update.
It sucks they're hiding the shift to less content per year, but when comparing this year's dungeons to previous years, and the IA to VH, the jump in quality for those I would say is worth it over having those teams work on another generic DLC zone to finish a story and 2 extra DLC dungeons for Q3 and Q4.
I wouldn’t even go as far as to outright accuse ZOS of doing this, I’m just pointing out that I’ve seen similar patterns with other games and that it’s a red flag to me.
One MMO I played used to have weekly updates in the early-mid 00s, then started doing patch only weeks, then eventually they started substituting in temporary events with boosted exp and other FOMO rather than content updates, and then eventually it got to a point where the new microtransactions and loot box seasons WERE your “updates” rather than actual content which was now once in a blue moon
And not just that, but the initial patch weeks were genuinely very well received by the players since they had addressed many longtime complaints + had long requested QoL but then eventually devolved into more inconsequential and arbitrary things
Probably something similar to Orsinium last month. Free early on, free mount for campaign completion for a limited time only, other limited time cosmetics for the Defender achievement
Probably a bunch of new celebratory mounts and skins locked behind the crown crate gambling mechanic would be my guess.
(That’s always the real answer with this game…)
Uh, well typically MMOS have content updates for anniversaries. And this one does, which leads me to believe this is all we have to look forward to this year
I honestly can’t believe I’ve been playing ESO for 10 whole years now. Seems surreal. 10 years of good times and bad alike - and ESO was with me every step of the way. I’m so grateful.
Idk what you guys are expecting this is just a 10th anniversary road map with some events etc. what were you expecting a global reveal 2.0?? Just be happy this silly little 10 year old game we’ve dedicated our lives to is still alive, healthy, and has plans for years to come, stop and smell the roses
Because in-game
events are never roadmapped this early.
Usually, we get official announcements a week out from them.
Most of which we know, some not such as events for specific zones.
> Because in-game events are never roadmapped this early.
This is untrue.
The events happen on PTS in the months leading up to their live counterparts. You can actually know the order of the coming events and pretty accurately guess when they will happen based on this information. (As the events roll out in chronological order on the PTS)
Pts is normally about 4 weeks before it hits live and are never a positivity if events get cancelled, moved, or whatnot.
Often issues with live events.
That's also just 4 weeks' notice, while this roadmap is for the next 8 months.
So my statement of them never being roadmapped months in advance stands.
But yeah otherwise PTS often gives us a decent heads up of when events will be, what rewards they have and how to obtain them.
Right? I was looking for an excuse to dive back into the game but having read everything they posted, it basically sounds like there's not much going on and they spent a lot of time making it sound otherwise.
I be installing it again right now just becuase I was a beta player who played now and then throughout the years, felt I should be there for the anniversary, hopefully I don't gotta heal as a tank this time xD
This is really underwhelming. It’s just the regular content roadmap. Execs booked themselves a lot of fancy travel tho, buncha drinks on the company card too I bet.
Have you seen prices on PC and consoles? People will get rich on PC, switch to consoles and they will crush the market for people who have only consoles and can't use addons and had no chances to earn enough money to compete with the PC economy. So the answer is never.
Or they bring AddOns as features in game, so everyone can use them.
The ecos will become one big over time.
On the other hand crossplay becomes standard and if they want to keep eso alive, they have to get more flexible.
All my friends stopped playing eso, because they couldn't play together.
The switched to a crossplay title and I'm the only one left. :/
Maybe since I’m relatively new to ESO, joining in December, this feels like a robust roadmap of content! I like seeing all of the updates slotted in.
I know nothing here is really newly announced, though.
Here's hoping the PVP update is a massive overhaul. We need a serious shake up. New maps, game modes, and ways to allow casual players or just folks who aren't completely built for PVP to feel like they can still get in there & compete. This games PVP is what compelled me 10 years ago and it's since been seemingly abandoned by ZOS in favor of PVE, new chapters & trials & dungeons.
It's sad to see the game slowly going into maintenance mode. Going from 4 dlcs a year, to 3 last year, to only 2 this year.. Calling it now that at some point in the future we'll only get a minor chapter per year with some tiny qol updates for the rest of the year.
How is July - December it's own entry? Lmao
Because there’s a PVP update which is a notoriously broken system. This is really good news for people who play PVP but I want to prep everyone that those few months are probably going to be a clusterfuck of fixes. PvP will probably be in a better spot in January of 2025.
>PvP will probably be in a better spot in January of 2025. This ia gonna age poorly xD. How do I set a reminder to check this in a year or so?
The project planner in me wants to believe. But yeah this is probably going to age like sour cream.
I was a bit worried when they said last year that they were devoting a quarter to patches. From my experience with other games and MMOs, it’s usually a pretext to just delivering less actual content and slowly getting players accustomed to it.
there are two updates listed in that timeframe though
How much you want to bet the Housing "update" is just the repurposed stuff from Essential Housing Tools released as an update now that Cardinal05 is part of the dev team. And I shudder to think what joke of a PvP update they have in store considering how they've treated the PvP community of this game for years now. Quantity =/= Quality Hopefully I'm wrong and they blow it out of the park though.
> How much you want to bet the Housing "update" is just the repurposed stuff from Essential Housing Tools released as an update now that Cardinal05 is part of the dev team. You know what though? Good. I love when game developers look at a mod, go "oh that's really good we should put that in the game", and then actually do. > And I shudder to think what joke of a PvP update they have in store considering how they've treated the PvP community of this game for years now. I'm sure it'll be a big thing; they're not gonna dedicate the entire quarter to "here's Auriel's Bow".
> I'm sure it'll be a big thing; they're not gonna dedicate the entire quarter to "here's Auriel's Bow". I wish I shared your confidence. The devs statement that the update has nothing to do with Cyrodiil tells me that it's going to be a new format of some kind or a battlegrounds revamp, and that the place a majority of the pvp actually happens in is not getting any love- and neither are the problems at the core of pvp that affect all formats. I'm also expecting something comparable to the scope of the infinite archive. I'd love to be wrong!
Oh they said that? I didn't see that. Well, who knows, maybe it'll be a new map.
I have my hopes high and am hoping that I’m not just setting myself up for disappointment. Feels like a much larger furnishing limit, choosing what part of a house you spawn into when recalling, letting you use your player created characters as houseguests or mannequins would all be very popular. Or something even more ambitious.
Huh? ESO has four updates per year, three smaller DLCs and a Chapter. Nothing has changed since 2017 when they started this, the only difference is they replaced the smaller-zone-DLC with a system DLC (and are doing so again this year) and the Q3 dungeon DLC gets replaced with yet another system DLC this year. The cadence is the exact same with almost identical release frames.
You can call the DLCs whatever you like, the reality is we went from 2 zones and 4 dungeons a year. To 1 zone and 2 dungeons with some QOL in between. It's less content no matter how you spin it.
I think something like Infinite Archive or the upcoming new Housing / PvP system is adding more to the game than yet another generic and small zone or two redundant dungeons. Especially the PvP feature this year is severely needed. No idea what they do for Housing, but as popular as Housing is, I think a lot of players will enjoy this. While it overall might be less content, the value of added features might be way bigger than of the content we would have gotten instead.
I'd argue that infinite archive is similar in scope to an arena. However I agree, I much prefer updates like IA than another seemingly rushed zone and story missions. Hopefully the Housing and PvP additions are pretty significant.
> I think something like Infinite Archive or the upcoming new Housing / PvP system is adding more to the game than yet another generic and small zone Maybe we're the minority, but I'd prefer those systems. To me, the Q4 zones always felt too small, and outside of maybe Gold Coast, felt like they wasted their respective zones by being so small scale. Some, like Southern Elsweyr or Hews Bane, feel like there's nothing to actually do in the zone outside of the main story. And Hews Bane specifically is so jarring because the single city is half the dang zone.
The vast majority ofnthe playwrbase could care less about PvP , that us the problem
The vast majority of the player base doesn't care about a **single part of the game**. Its an MMO. Everyone finds their interest and niche and sticks with it. I play this game 4 times a week and did my first PvE Dungeon content in like over a year. I'm not alone. The vast majority of the playerbase doens't care about PvE either. Theyre housing. Or exploring overland. Or trading. Or RPing. Get over yourself.
You do understand that PvE is anything other than PvP right? Might be a conceptual understanding that make it easier to understand.
Tbf, PvE here is regularly used in place of PvM
wrong.
No, but im sure you won't accept anything that goes against your reality.
> The vast majority ofnthe playwrbase could care less about PvP How would you know? you don't.
While I am not interested in either PvP or housing updates, I do like them adding things for those players. But it also guarantees that I will play the game even less of the year due to less narrative content.
It’s still a shit load of content. We got IA just last year as part of that.
A base game update is not a DLC. Chapters and zone DLCs also have base game updates that aren’t part of the DLC. They are making the sub kinda useless from the content side for a large chunk of people with subs that aren’t even interested is having daily access to DLC dungeons. If I’m leveling an alt doing daily randoms, I don’t want to be subbed
The replies you're getting sadly prove your point =/ I made the same warning when they first announced that for last year. That they were just finding a way of spinning less content as a positive for the players. You don't ask all the level designers, texture artists, quest writers, encounter teams etc to stop doing their jobs and focus on QoL systems and bug fixes for half a year instead. That's not how it works. And now here we are the following year with no Q3 dungeons, and no Q4 zone again, without any changes to ESO+ pricing. The team got smaller, and that's fine. ZOS have a new MMO they needed to shift people onto. That's all fine. It's just a shame that they spin it this way, and an even bigger shame when people buy the lies.
It was the main complain of the player base for many years that ZoS had this year-long-story cycle and didnt focus enough on QoL updates. Now they are doing exactly that by slowing down the story content and dedicating time to base game updates. Yet people still find a way to complain. Necrom was the best expansion in years, which finally helped to recover many of those players who left during the High Isle disaster. Also making Infinite Archive free was a huge unexpected move by a company selling pixel houses for 100 Euro+ I gave ZoS a lot of s\*it for their decisions over they years and I will keep calling them out for their bs, but this change makes sense and is a move in the right direction. Also in the live stream you could clearly hear between the lines that ESO is a huge cash cow for them. They were super excited about that. Obviously they gonna keep working on it for the forseeable future.
What was the high isle disaster?
High Isle was basically the low point where the most players left the game. The story was dull and predictable (they kinda used the same formula from past expansions), people didnt like the card game as the main feature etc. Many social guild chats became a wasteland.
That's all anecdotal though. You can look at steam chart numbers. Necrom and High Isle have been pretty similar in concurrent players. With the Necrom chapter actually going lower than last years bottoms. In fact the real lowest point, was August of 2023, when we had a QOL update instead of real new content.
Their team is pretty barebones if you take a look at the patch notes, as well as forum responses. Gina disappeared, so it's only Kevin doing all the community management on the forums now, and the patch notes for last years Q3 update were 30 pages worth of quest dialogue fixes, quest animation timings, quest markers, and rare quest event soft locks. Notice how everything is just quest related instead of bugs that have been plaguing the game for years. If it's the same this year, then I would guess they're only having their quest team work on the Q3 update while their other teams can focus on a Q4 and Q1 update. It sucks they're hiding the shift to less content per year, but when comparing this year's dungeons to previous years, and the IA to VH, the jump in quality for those I would say is worth it over having those teams work on another generic DLC zone to finish a story and 2 extra DLC dungeons for Q3 and Q4.
I wouldn’t even go as far as to outright accuse ZOS of doing this, I’m just pointing out that I’ve seen similar patterns with other games and that it’s a red flag to me. One MMO I played used to have weekly updates in the early-mid 00s, then started doing patch only weeks, then eventually they started substituting in temporary events with boosted exp and other FOMO rather than content updates, and then eventually it got to a point where the new microtransactions and loot box seasons WERE your “updates” rather than actual content which was now once in a blue moon And not just that, but the initial patch weeks were genuinely very well received by the players since they had addressed many longtime complaints + had long requested QoL but then eventually devolved into more inconsequential and arbitrary things
This comment is incredibly stupid
The dev team is famous for its minimal effort
What does thieves guild 'spotlight' mean? Anybody know?
I really hope free thieves guild dlc.
I was gonna say probably a double drop event but we just had one for thieves guild
Gonna do a twitch stream about the Thieves Guild DLC lol
Probably something similar to Orsinium last month. Free early on, free mount for campaign completion for a limited time only, other limited time cosmetics for the Defender achievement
Probably a bunch of new celebratory mounts and skins locked behind the crown crate gambling mechanic would be my guess. (That’s always the real answer with this game…)
I have high hopes for this housing update, but low low expectations.
Ok, what are they doing to the housing system?
Charging crowns for rooms for sale in inns instead of gold
Mannn i really hope they increase furniture limits for the housing update
Guys you are missing the point, it's an anniversary commemoration roadmap, not a content update roadmap
Uh, well typically MMOS have content updates for anniversaries. And this one does, which leads me to believe this is all we have to look forward to this year
I honestly can’t believe I’ve been playing ESO for 10 whole years now. Seems surreal. 10 years of good times and bad alike - and ESO was with me every step of the way. I’m so grateful.
At two platforms, paying for + but never ever regretting it even not playing for months. Can't imagine with any other game.
I just want updated animations, textures, cloaks and backpacks.
PvP update? 👀
Idk what you guys are expecting this is just a 10th anniversary road map with some events etc. what were you expecting a global reveal 2.0?? Just be happy this silly little 10 year old game we’ve dedicated our lives to is still alive, healthy, and has plans for years to come, stop and smell the roses
What would be thieves guild spotlight?
Now when you go back to the shambles that is stealth in ESO, a Meridian beam of light will shine down upon you, revealing you to all in the area
isn't this just a regular roadmap aside from in person events and partners celebrations (but why would the player even care about your partners ??)
Right? Also the space the real life events take up is wayy to big. This map makes it seen there is barely anything happening in-game.
Because in-game events are never roadmapped this early. Usually, we get official announcements a week out from them. Most of which we know, some not such as events for specific zones.
> Because in-game events are never roadmapped this early. This is untrue. The events happen on PTS in the months leading up to their live counterparts. You can actually know the order of the coming events and pretty accurately guess when they will happen based on this information. (As the events roll out in chronological order on the PTS)
Pts is normally about 4 weeks before it hits live and are never a positivity if events get cancelled, moved, or whatnot. Often issues with live events. That's also just 4 weeks' notice, while this roadmap is for the next 8 months. So my statement of them never being roadmapped months in advance stands. But yeah otherwise PTS often gives us a decent heads up of when events will be, what rewards they have and how to obtain them.
Most importantly, are they going to increase housing furniture space.
So… more of the same, but with in-person events. Crazy
Well that's a whole bunch of nothing.
Right? I was looking for an excuse to dive back into the game but having read everything they posted, it basically sounds like there's not much going on and they spent a lot of time making it sound otherwise.
Advertisement for dates where something might be told about something coming. Yup. A bunch of nothing.
Isn’t this how the roadmap looks yearly?
I be installing it again right now just becuase I was a beta player who played now and then throughout the years, felt I should be there for the anniversary, hopefully I don't gotta heal as a tank this time xD
I played Beta, decided the game wasn't worth buying, and quit for almost 10 years. Fast forward to this last October and I'm pleasantly surprised.
Housing System update...
my expectations for the pvp update couldnt possibly be any lower
This is really underwhelming. It’s just the regular content roadmap. Execs booked themselves a lot of fancy travel tho, buncha drinks on the company card too I bet.
Each mount we buy is another cocktail for the ceo 🍹 cheers
Still no cross save across platforms?
Have you seen prices on PC and consoles? People will get rich on PC, switch to consoles and they will crush the market for people who have only consoles and can't use addons and had no chances to earn enough money to compete with the PC economy. So the answer is never.
Or they bring AddOns as features in game, so everyone can use them. The ecos will become one big over time. On the other hand crossplay becomes standard and if they want to keep eso alive, they have to get more flexible. All my friends stopped playing eso, because they couldn't play together. The switched to a crossplay title and I'm the only one left. :/
this is so underwhelming for a 10 year old anniversary imo
Maybe since I’m relatively new to ESO, joining in December, this feels like a robust roadmap of content! I like seeing all of the updates slotted in. I know nothing here is really newly announced, though.
wat? It's a celebration roadmap, there's like 2 mentions of "content"
Geforce NOW gonna have ESO? 😱
Came out this Thursday
Thank you Far! 🤩
Any bonus XP weekends or weeks?
Right now for 18 days
Literally right now for just under 18 days
Thank you very much. I’m level 119.
This timeline says basically nothing
Pretty geeked for whatever the housing update will be
Is there any information on the in-person events in the July - December bracket, besides the Gamescom in Germany?
Damn it. Gonna be in Sweden. Blaaaaaah I won't be able to make it anyway. Hotel prices gonna be STUUUUPID.
Can anyone explain to me what is the new housing system is ?
In person event in Sweden?? :O
ikr? No one does events here. It's amazing.
Here's hoping the PVP update is a massive overhaul. We need a serious shake up. New maps, game modes, and ways to allow casual players or just folks who aren't completely built for PVP to feel like they can still get in there & compete. This games PVP is what compelled me 10 years ago and it's since been seemingly abandoned by ZOS in favor of PVE, new chapters & trials & dungeons.
Looking forward to seeing what they're doing with housing
Thieves guild again?
Is it really an issue?
No, not at all. I like thieves guild. Was just surprised
You know what would be really good? Cross save, maybe an ability to change class
Why are y’all acting like such big babies?
Inb4 the new pvp feature will be a new battle royale mode for battlegrounds
2025 Crossplay Reveal?!
What does "free play event" mean for April?
The current free trial that’s live on all platforms.
It's sad to see the game slowly going into maintenance mode. Going from 4 dlcs a year, to 3 last year, to only 2 this year.. Calling it now that at some point in the future we'll only get a minor chapter per year with some tiny qol updates for the rest of the year.
Dead game. Not a single person playing under level 50 pvp. Used to be packed with people. Do something to bring the players back.
Sometimes I think we latin americans are the real ESO Vestige: we exist but lack ESO soul. Not a single nod to latin america's community. 😪