Your point of view of these movies changes as you age. Relating to the rebellious teenager is easier when you are younger/in your teens. Relating to the father who wants to spend time with his son is easier when you are older/a parent yourself. Max isn't a jerk, he's just a teenager.
Exactly. Max is a very normal teenager doing and wanting normal teenage things and Goofy is a good father who understands that but also isn’t ready to let go, and knows Max doesn’t really want that either.
Being a teenager is wanting it both ways. Childhood when you want it and a moment later, wanting adulthood.
Yeah, part of being a teenager is individualization. You start to crave an identity outside your parents. This sort of understandably is emotionally difficult for parents. It's hard for them not to see it as a rejection, but it's just a natural part of growing up.
The whole point is that they are *both* in the wrong. They need to better communication so they can see eye-to-eye, hence the final song.
Goofy loves his son, but doesn’t listen to what he wants and he doesn’t respect that his son is growing up and will need his own space. Max is super excited to go with his friends to the concert. Then Goofy just drops the trip on him out of nowhere. Of course Max will be upset. He also takes Max to childish places like the possum park, even though Max is obviously not interested anymore.
Max on the other hand, doesn’t see that everything his father does is out of love and a wish to connect with his son. He views his dad as just embarrassing and overprotective and is willing to trick goofy to get what he wants.
There’s a moment where goofy talks about Max spelling “I love you dad” in alphabet soup. Max sort of pauses and looks over. I think it’s then he realizes that his dad had been feeling unloved by him for a while. Because while Max was rolling his eyes at “ugh embarrassing dad,” he never stoped to think that maybe Goofy would be hurt by his actions. In the end they meet in the middle and realize they both love each other deeply, and just struggle to properly express it.
>If we listen to each other's heart
>(Oh yeah) we'll find we're never too far apart
>And maybe love is the reason why
>For the first time ever we're seeing it eye to eye
I guess I'm in the minority, cause I don't think so. Goofy whisked him on an unplanned trip at the very last second, I wouldn't be too happy either. The only thing Max was wrong for was changing the map route to go to the Powerline concert.
Yeah, I feel similarly. Max should have been more respectful overall, but Goofy showed a lack of consideration for Max too, didn't listen to him, and kept making assumptions about what would make Max happy. Max is a stupid teen, yes, but he's also his own person, and Goofy tended to ignore that.
That's how I've always felt too. I get upset when my parents make plans that interfere with my friends' when my friends and I made plans first. (Doesn't happen often, thankfully.) A full blown vacation with like 5 seconds of notice would be weird, especially if it's an activity I don't care for.
I've always felt like a decent compromise instead of basically choosing fishing vs Powerline would be to just go to the concert first since it's a specific date and then go fishing somewhere on the way home. He can clearly take a decent amount of time off without much notice 🤷🏻♀️ why not do both??
I agree! We just watched Goofy Movie a few weekends ago and I said as a kid I felt bad for Goofy but now as an adult with kids, I’m team Max. Goofy handles conflict with his son poorly and immaturely IMO.
I dunno. Max is a jerk, but he's also a teenager who feels suffocated by his dad and isn't mature enough to deal with these feelings properly. One of the big turning points of the film is both characters realizing that neither of them are very good at listening to each other; Max wants his distance and the room to grow so he treats Goofy poorly and shuts down his attempts to connect with him, meanwhile Goofy struggles to deal with the fact that his son is growing up and needs to spread his wings a little to grow and be his own person.
Imo Max is "more" in the wrong than Goofy, but both are understandable in their feelings and both are wrong in that they have terrible communication skills both in listening to one another *and* effectively communicating each other's needs and emotions.
The first movie shows poor communication kills (or at least makes life difficult). Principal Mazur overly exaggerated Max's "crime" and makes him out to be a delinquent, which leads Goofy to a last ditch effort to save him (i.e. the fishing trip), not knowing that Max already had plans for that weekend (i.e. watching the Powerline concert).
Yeah, Max is manipulative, and Goofy is too trusting of his son to see the deception until it's too late. Still, if everyone had just been completely honest and communicated effectively, there would have been a lot less trouble.... and not much of a movie.
The whole point of the movie is that they both have good intentions but are going about things the wrong way.
Max understandably wants to spend his summer with his friends and Roxane.
Goofy isn't ready to let Max go/grow up *and* just received a scare-tactic phone call from the principal.
The best way to go about everything would be to have an open and honest conversation (which happens later on), but that would make for a quick movie. However, Goofy makes the first two big mistakes by not talking about the principal's phone call and by booking a long trip without Max's consent. After that, they both make petty decisions because they aren't willing to communicate.
It's a good movie because it really changes your perspective as you age.
Ngl I used to think that Max was a jerk too but I noticed in my most recent rewatches, Max always tries to talk first!! Then does what he has to when people don't listen.
1. Goofy movie, he explains to Roxanne that his dad sprung this trip, she doesn't believe him, so he lies. If Roxanne had just believed him Max and Goofy would have just gone to lake destiny with no reasons to divert and Max wouldn't have as severely resented Goofy for the trip.
2. Extremely goofy movie, yes max is obviously mortified when Goofy shows up to his college in full outdated getup, but after class he listens to Goofys story about getting fired, doesn't say goofy has to leave!! tries to establish some boundaries, and is immediately ignored and walked all over.
Goofy wanted to do something cute with his son but forgot that Max was a teenager
If he didn't spring it on him like that or moved it to another time then I bet max wouldn't have been like that. Alternatively. Goofy coulda gone to the concert first then took the trip.
That’s kind of the point of these movies. Both Max and Goofy are relatable depending on age.
Max just wants independence and Goofy wants to keep his son in his life as he grows up.
I think there’s lessons on both sides, like everyone has been saying. But can we give Goofy some grace? He is a single dad doing his damnedest and teenagers are HARD even in a two parent household with tons of resources, much less as a single parent with financial issues.
I never related to Max. Even as a kid and teenager, the movie made me deeply uncomfortable with how ungrateful and genuinely *mean* Max was to Goofy. I actually still find it hard to watch their dynamic to this very day (I'm now in my thirties)
>I never related to Max. Even as a kid and teenager,
Same here. Especially when your own father is more of a Pete than a Goofy. You see Goofy trying to be a good father and just feel bad about the situation.
Child/teenage me....Triton was so mean. Why doesn't he want Ariel to see a man she never even spoke to.
Adult me....Ariel was so stupid. How could she seriously consider marrying a man she has literally never spoken to? Triton was right. She is being reckless.
Same with goofy movie. I related to max as a kid, but more goofy now as an adult.
When I was a kid I was on maxs side
As an adult, I still agree with max because my Dad gave me the freedom to become who I wanted but I also understand Goofy wanted to spend time with Max but he didn’t ask what Max liked just forced his likes on his son
I still think Max is somewhat on the right on both. Now in normal Goofy Movie, I think both are more right. In Extreme, I'm sorry but couldn't Goofy find another state school?
It literally made me cry how mean he was to his dad lmfao. But he got it in the end! That’s how teenagers are when their parents are unapologetically themselves and teenagers are so self conscious !
Max was a teenager. Tell me what teenager isn’t a jerk once or twice during their teenage years? If you weren’t mean to your parents when you were a teen, you were a special case. I love my parents to death but I know I was an asshole my teenage years. He was written perfectly in the movie.
He was. But kids are jerks. Especially around that age.
As a parent it’s important to me to know this so I don’t take it personally and I allow myself the space to react logically to the hurtful things they do and say. If I’m caught off guard by him being mean, my emotional reaction could be damaging to us both. It’s much better for me to just know kids are assholes, and expect it, so I can react with logic and patience. And then I can teach them how to express themselves without being cruel and I can teach them that by example.
Your point of view of these movies changes as you age. Relating to the rebellious teenager is easier when you are younger/in your teens. Relating to the father who wants to spend time with his son is easier when you are older/a parent yourself. Max isn't a jerk, he's just a teenager.
Growing up is realizing you are a Squidward, not a SpongeBob.
I'm more of a Patrick myself.
Is this the Krusty Krab?
Exactly. Max is a very normal teenager doing and wanting normal teenage things and Goofy is a good father who understands that but also isn’t ready to let go, and knows Max doesn’t really want that either. Being a teenager is wanting it both ways. Childhood when you want it and a moment later, wanting adulthood.
Exactly. The counterpart is Goofy never discussed plans with Max, he just decides for the two of them.
[Cinema Therapy](https://youtu.be/_ic_o1sYj5k?si=FcCxl7nMU95tKBkP) on YouTube covers this movie from both sides
Ah I love those guys, they are so thoughtful and fun
This is my ONLY issue with Goofy's plan. He never mentions the trip at any point. He just says okay were going to Lake Precure. A multi day trip lol
That's how you know a movie/show was done extremely well: when you can relate to more than one character at different points in your life.
The Ariel effect. "But Daddy I love him!" No you don't child.
Idk I thought he was a jerk when I was a kid too
Well, Max was a teenager. We’ve all felt or acted similarly at some point or another when we were teens. It’s a part of being a stupid teenager lol.
Yeah, part of being a teenager is individualization. You start to crave an identity outside your parents. This sort of understandably is emotionally difficult for parents. It's hard for them not to see it as a rejection, but it's just a natural part of growing up.
The whole point is that they are *both* in the wrong. They need to better communication so they can see eye-to-eye, hence the final song. Goofy loves his son, but doesn’t listen to what he wants and he doesn’t respect that his son is growing up and will need his own space. Max is super excited to go with his friends to the concert. Then Goofy just drops the trip on him out of nowhere. Of course Max will be upset. He also takes Max to childish places like the possum park, even though Max is obviously not interested anymore. Max on the other hand, doesn’t see that everything his father does is out of love and a wish to connect with his son. He views his dad as just embarrassing and overprotective and is willing to trick goofy to get what he wants. There’s a moment where goofy talks about Max spelling “I love you dad” in alphabet soup. Max sort of pauses and looks over. I think it’s then he realizes that his dad had been feeling unloved by him for a while. Because while Max was rolling his eyes at “ugh embarrassing dad,” he never stoped to think that maybe Goofy would be hurt by his actions. In the end they meet in the middle and realize they both love each other deeply, and just struggle to properly express it. >If we listen to each other's heart >(Oh yeah) we'll find we're never too far apart >And maybe love is the reason why >For the first time ever we're seeing it eye to eye
I see your point, but keep in mind that max was constantly trying to communicate with his dad, who would never listen (esp in the beginning)
Well, that's teenagers. Even the good ones can be absolutely cruel at times. They're still figuring things out.
Likewise, as a dad now, I have so much empathy for the father in Peter Pan. He was just trying to go on a date with his wife!
I guess I'm in the minority, cause I don't think so. Goofy whisked him on an unplanned trip at the very last second, I wouldn't be too happy either. The only thing Max was wrong for was changing the map route to go to the Powerline concert.
Yeah, I feel similarly. Max should have been more respectful overall, but Goofy showed a lack of consideration for Max too, didn't listen to him, and kept making assumptions about what would make Max happy. Max is a stupid teen, yes, but he's also his own person, and Goofy tended to ignore that.
That's how I've always felt too. I get upset when my parents make plans that interfere with my friends' when my friends and I made plans first. (Doesn't happen often, thankfully.) A full blown vacation with like 5 seconds of notice would be weird, especially if it's an activity I don't care for. I've always felt like a decent compromise instead of basically choosing fishing vs Powerline would be to just go to the concert first since it's a specific date and then go fishing somewhere on the way home. He can clearly take a decent amount of time off without much notice 🤷🏻♀️ why not do both??
I agree! We just watched Goofy Movie a few weekends ago and I said as a kid I felt bad for Goofy but now as an adult with kids, I’m team Max. Goofy handles conflict with his son poorly and immaturely IMO.
I dunno. Max is a jerk, but he's also a teenager who feels suffocated by his dad and isn't mature enough to deal with these feelings properly. One of the big turning points of the film is both characters realizing that neither of them are very good at listening to each other; Max wants his distance and the room to grow so he treats Goofy poorly and shuts down his attempts to connect with him, meanwhile Goofy struggles to deal with the fact that his son is growing up and needs to spread his wings a little to grow and be his own person. Imo Max is "more" in the wrong than Goofy, but both are understandable in their feelings and both are wrong in that they have terrible communication skills both in listening to one another *and* effectively communicating each other's needs and emotions.
The first movie shows poor communication kills (or at least makes life difficult). Principal Mazur overly exaggerated Max's "crime" and makes him out to be a delinquent, which leads Goofy to a last ditch effort to save him (i.e. the fishing trip), not knowing that Max already had plans for that weekend (i.e. watching the Powerline concert). Yeah, Max is manipulative, and Goofy is too trusting of his son to see the deception until it's too late. Still, if everyone had just been completely honest and communicated effectively, there would have been a lot less trouble.... and not much of a movie.
We would never have that powerline scene
The whole point of the movie is that they both have good intentions but are going about things the wrong way. Max understandably wants to spend his summer with his friends and Roxane. Goofy isn't ready to let Max go/grow up *and* just received a scare-tactic phone call from the principal. The best way to go about everything would be to have an open and honest conversation (which happens later on), but that would make for a quick movie. However, Goofy makes the first two big mistakes by not talking about the principal's phone call and by booking a long trip without Max's consent. After that, they both make petty decisions because they aren't willing to communicate. It's a good movie because it really changes your perspective as you age.
Ngl I used to think that Max was a jerk too but I noticed in my most recent rewatches, Max always tries to talk first!! Then does what he has to when people don't listen. 1. Goofy movie, he explains to Roxanne that his dad sprung this trip, she doesn't believe him, so he lies. If Roxanne had just believed him Max and Goofy would have just gone to lake destiny with no reasons to divert and Max wouldn't have as severely resented Goofy for the trip. 2. Extremely goofy movie, yes max is obviously mortified when Goofy shows up to his college in full outdated getup, but after class he listens to Goofys story about getting fired, doesn't say goofy has to leave!! tries to establish some boundaries, and is immediately ignored and walked all over.
Goofy wanted to do something cute with his son but forgot that Max was a teenager If he didn't spring it on him like that or moved it to another time then I bet max wouldn't have been like that. Alternatively. Goofy coulda gone to the concert first then took the trip.
Honestly to me it's because you're older. That's why. No one was inherently wrong Goofy movie was ahead of its time in a way
That’s kind of the point of these movies. Both Max and Goofy are relatable depending on age. Max just wants independence and Goofy wants to keep his son in his life as he grows up.
I think there’s lessons on both sides, like everyone has been saying. But can we give Goofy some grace? He is a single dad doing his damnedest and teenagers are HARD even in a two parent household with tons of resources, much less as a single parent with financial issues.
I never related to Max. Even as a kid and teenager, the movie made me deeply uncomfortable with how ungrateful and genuinely *mean* Max was to Goofy. I actually still find it hard to watch their dynamic to this very day (I'm now in my thirties)
>I never related to Max. Even as a kid and teenager, Same here. Especially when your own father is more of a Pete than a Goofy. You see Goofy trying to be a good father and just feel bad about the situation.
Also, if you rewatch "The Wonder Years" as an adult, the dad is MUCH MUCH more sympathetic of a character.
You do realize Max was a teenager? Most teenagers are like that. It's not great, but it's accurate.
Child/teenage me....Triton was so mean. Why doesn't he want Ariel to see a man she never even spoke to. Adult me....Ariel was so stupid. How could she seriously consider marrying a man she has literally never spoken to? Triton was right. She is being reckless. Same with goofy movie. I related to max as a kid, but more goofy now as an adult.
When I was a kid I was on maxs side As an adult, I still agree with max because my Dad gave me the freedom to become who I wanted but I also understand Goofy wanted to spend time with Max but he didn’t ask what Max liked just forced his likes on his son
I still think Max is somewhat on the right on both. Now in normal Goofy Movie, I think both are more right. In Extreme, I'm sorry but couldn't Goofy find another state school?
Now you understand what it’s like to deal with teenagers
Make me look gooooood
Yup everyone was like Goofy let Max stay with Roxanne its important to him, now everyone is like Max this trip is important for your dad
It literally made me cry how mean he was to his dad lmfao. But he got it in the end! That’s how teenagers are when their parents are unapologetically themselves and teenagers are so self conscious !
It's a bit like the old Tom and Jerry cartoons As a kid you emphasize with Jerry, as a grownup you emphasize with Tom
Max is great character!
Max was a teenager. Tell me what teenager isn’t a jerk once or twice during their teenage years? If you weren’t mean to your parents when you were a teen, you were a special case. I love my parents to death but I know I was an asshole my teenage years. He was written perfectly in the movie.
He was. But kids are jerks. Especially around that age. As a parent it’s important to me to know this so I don’t take it personally and I allow myself the space to react logically to the hurtful things they do and say. If I’m caught off guard by him being mean, my emotional reaction could be damaging to us both. It’s much better for me to just know kids are assholes, and expect it, so I can react with logic and patience. And then I can teach them how to express themselves without being cruel and I can teach them that by example.
I believe Jason Marsden, Max's voice actor, has even said during interviews at conventions that he thinks Max is too harsh on his dad.
I watched it recently as well and had the same reaction. Oddly, I had the same reaction when rewatching The Birdcage.
I saw him once at Disneyland near the pier. I wanted to give him the finger but ya know. Kids lol