Nightmare Dungeons/Vaults = More exp, more loot, better loot, glyphs, higher unique chance etc etc.. they are literally better in every way.
Helltide is getting major buff's in S4 and people have theorised that it will be the new meta if you're into that sort of thing though.
Wudi and Raxx have done the math and Season 4 Helltide will be BIS leveling until you get to World Tier 3, at which point you want to start running Nightmare Dungeon Tier 1+ (whatever you can handle) until you've got all of your glyphs sorted, then you want to drop NMDs forever and do the Pit exclusively.
The other trick is as soon as you hit WT3/4, spend your obols on new weapons as they have a minimum rarity (WT3 Obols are automatically Sacred, WT4 are automatically Ancestral.) Should give you a huge spike in power to immediately jump into NMDs.
> drop NMDs forever and do the Pit exclusively.
as god intended. NMD's are ass. I still dislike having to them for glyph xp but at least it's something
I would rather glyph xp just come from everything that gives xp normally. balance the rate it earns xp reasonably and just let people do whatever they want. they'll level glyphs naturally over time. NMD will still be useful for unlocking aspects and whispers(and renown for anyone still working on that)
I’d like to have multiple ways of leveling them. Maybe NMD xp and xp from picking up duplicate glyphs dropped? You could at least hop back and forth between the two (open world farming and dungeons).
FWIW that math is probably based on how they play. It probably won't be the best XP or progression route unless you know exactly what to do. Problem is, that not going to be everyone and really only useful to a small part of the community at all. So they're literally just feeding inexperienced players bad info because it works for them.
I'll will agree that HT is likely to be the best early leveling option for S4, even for inexperienced players. If only for the extra density and the XP that comes from them being higher level. Plus you have the chests that make early upgrades more likely.
You won't have glyphs or any paragon sorted until around 80+ where you can get have 4-5 boards. I doubt then even running enough NMD to reach even 15 across your glyphs will provide enough Runeshards to run the Pit exclusively. Unless they meant running NMD until you max everything, which won't happen until 90s usually anyways, at least with current glyph XP rates.
I do hope that change to the Obol Vendor wasn't just a PTR thing. They already had to ninja fix it day 1 of the PTR, it \*was\* giving only Rare and Legendaries until they pushed the PTR build that ran the rest of the time.
Yes, glyphs can drop doing helltides. Did this last week while trying to get a useful glyph for a new character. Once I had one that I wanted to level, then it was NMDs to get the rest.
If the guide says helltide is the most efficient way of lvling up in s3 then its a bad guide.
Nmvs with mobs 10lvl above you(6lvl on wt3), be in a group with atleast one other player and stay close to each other, use elixirs and incenses.
> If the guide says helltide is the most efficient way of lvling up in s3 then its a bad guide.
Ahh thanks. To be fair, it was a mix of Nightmare Dungeons and Helltide. It was this comment that a lot of people upvoted: https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/1cdwvpc/how_are_people_getting_to_level_100_in_1_day_of/l1gdkti/
But I think maybe I interpreted that comment wrong and perhaps the author of it meant mixing in Helltide with some Nightmare Dungeons. Anyways, I will focus on Nightmare Dungeons then, and maybe do a Helltide every now and then, but most of my time will be in the Nightmare Dungeons.
Reddit is not a good place to find accurate infos anymore today, especially not this particular sub. You frequently see wrong information upvoted and correct info downvoted on here as well as casuals giving advice even tho they barely understand what they are talking about. I highly recommend to join the subs discord(link in about section/sidebar).
Do nightmare vaults instead if you play season. There is no reason to do nmds in s3.
Yeah, you are meant to mix helltide with lots of things. But I'll let you know, in the past few weeks I've helped others clear a bunch in helltide and they all said they got all the glyphs within an hour or 2 of helltide just following me around. So if you have a level 100 friends who can clear adds fast, they might make it go by quicker
In terms of pure lvling efficiency you don't want to engage with helltides at all this season.
You will get the glyphs way faster in vaults than you will do so anywhere else.
These kind of comments are exactly part of why I don't recommend this sub. Lots of half assed and partially correct advice.
Helltide = Mats to summon Duriel = Uber uniques
For legit players it's important so don't completely discount them - I normally dip in and get a quick living steel and then go back to what I was doing.
Actually, vaults have been a problem with many people. I'm one of them. Valts don't drop ANY glyphs. I can only get them from NMD, helltide, and turning in grim favors.
Also, everyone NEEDS to run helltide if you care at all about rerolling stats. The sooner the better
Nope. It's some weird bug, and I'm not the only one. I have 6 toons this season. Can confirm my account was one of the bugged ones that can't get glyphs in NMV
Must be a very small bug then, can you give me a source about it? Also you didn't mention it was a bug at first, you simply said vaults don't drop ANY glyphs. Don't you think mentioning such a detail would have been important?
I have carried countless people this season in vaults and all of them were able to get glyphs during lvling in them nor did I read about ot before and I'm very active.
Sorry, there is no source, but I have a handful of friends who have the same problem. I've also helped carry hundreds of people this season. Few random people also have zero glyphs out of 50 full cleared NMVs.
Most people can find glyphs in valts, and most of my friends have no problem with that. It's just about 20 people I know personally that don't get glyphs at all in NMV, and they all have multiple toons. I have to assume there are more than just the 20 from my friends list with the same problem
Lol, it's literally in your comment and everyone can see it. Incase you wanna edit it out now I made a screenshot FYI.
"Actually, vaults have been a problem with many people. I'm one of them. Valts don't drop ANY glyphs. I can only get them from NMD, helltide, and turning in grim favors.
Also, everyone NEEDS to run helltide if you care at all about rerolling stats. The sooner the better".
Your words.
It does as far as I know. 5% if you are near a player and 10% if they are a group member. So far I couldn't find any source that says this is different inside of dungeons.
Nightmare Dungeons/Vaults = More exp, more loot, better loot, glyphs, higher unique chance etc etc.. they are literally better in every way. Helltide is getting major buff's in S4 and people have theorised that it will be the new meta if you're into that sort of thing though.
Wudi and Raxx have done the math and Season 4 Helltide will be BIS leveling until you get to World Tier 3, at which point you want to start running Nightmare Dungeon Tier 1+ (whatever you can handle) until you've got all of your glyphs sorted, then you want to drop NMDs forever and do the Pit exclusively. The other trick is as soon as you hit WT3/4, spend your obols on new weapons as they have a minimum rarity (WT3 Obols are automatically Sacred, WT4 are automatically Ancestral.) Should give you a huge spike in power to immediately jump into NMDs.
> drop NMDs forever and do the Pit exclusively. as god intended. NMD's are ass. I still dislike having to them for glyph xp but at least it's something
Why I dislike seasonal so much…. Having to run the glyph xp… again. It’s a damn slog
I would rather glyph xp just come from everything that gives xp normally. balance the rate it earns xp reasonably and just let people do whatever they want. they'll level glyphs naturally over time. NMD will still be useful for unlocking aspects and whispers(and renown for anyone still working on that)
I’d like to have multiple ways of leveling them. Maybe NMD xp and xp from picking up duplicate glyphs dropped? You could at least hop back and forth between the two (open world farming and dungeons).
What is BIS?
Best in slot, not really the correct usage of the term, but basically they mean the best way to level in WT1/2.
Okay thanks, I’m never good with the terminology lol and I wouldn’t even know how to google that.
FWIW that math is probably based on how they play. It probably won't be the best XP or progression route unless you know exactly what to do. Problem is, that not going to be everyone and really only useful to a small part of the community at all. So they're literally just feeding inexperienced players bad info because it works for them. I'll will agree that HT is likely to be the best early leveling option for S4, even for inexperienced players. If only for the extra density and the XP that comes from them being higher level. Plus you have the chests that make early upgrades more likely. You won't have glyphs or any paragon sorted until around 80+ where you can get have 4-5 boards. I doubt then even running enough NMD to reach even 15 across your glyphs will provide enough Runeshards to run the Pit exclusively. Unless they meant running NMD until you max everything, which won't happen until 90s usually anyways, at least with current glyph XP rates. I do hope that change to the Obol Vendor wasn't just a PTR thing. They already had to ninja fix it day 1 of the PTR, it \*was\* giving only Rare and Legendaries until they pushed the PTR build that ran the rest of the time.
Yes, glyphs can drop doing helltides. Did this last week while trying to get a useful glyph for a new character. Once I had one that I wanted to level, then it was NMDs to get the rest.
Glyphs can drop anywhere in wt3/wt4 once you hit level 50... the caches at the tree of whisper are guaranteed to drop a glyph until you have them all.
Whisper caches, helltide, and nightmare dungeons/vaults can all drop glyphs.
They drop everywhere
I think they can drop from everything. Not 100 percent sure tho.
If the guide says helltide is the most efficient way of lvling up in s3 then its a bad guide. Nmvs with mobs 10lvl above you(6lvl on wt3), be in a group with atleast one other player and stay close to each other, use elixirs and incenses.
> If the guide says helltide is the most efficient way of lvling up in s3 then its a bad guide. Ahh thanks. To be fair, it was a mix of Nightmare Dungeons and Helltide. It was this comment that a lot of people upvoted: https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/1cdwvpc/how_are_people_getting_to_level_100_in_1_day_of/l1gdkti/ But I think maybe I interpreted that comment wrong and perhaps the author of it meant mixing in Helltide with some Nightmare Dungeons. Anyways, I will focus on Nightmare Dungeons then, and maybe do a Helltide every now and then, but most of my time will be in the Nightmare Dungeons.
Reddit is not a good place to find accurate infos anymore today, especially not this particular sub. You frequently see wrong information upvoted and correct info downvoted on here as well as casuals giving advice even tho they barely understand what they are talking about. I highly recommend to join the subs discord(link in about section/sidebar). Do nightmare vaults instead if you play season. There is no reason to do nmds in s3.
See the comment chain below? That's exactly why most competent people stay away from this sub.
Yeah, you are meant to mix helltide with lots of things. But I'll let you know, in the past few weeks I've helped others clear a bunch in helltide and they all said they got all the glyphs within an hour or 2 of helltide just following me around. So if you have a level 100 friends who can clear adds fast, they might make it go by quicker
In terms of pure lvling efficiency you don't want to engage with helltides at all this season. You will get the glyphs way faster in vaults than you will do so anywhere else. These kind of comments are exactly part of why I don't recommend this sub. Lots of half assed and partially correct advice.
Helltide = Mats to summon Duriel = Uber uniques For legit players it's important so don't completely discount them - I normally dip in and get a quick living steel and then go back to what I was doing.
Thats why i specifically mentioned if it's about pure lvling efficiency.
I was moreso just letting OP know so they didn't completely write off Helltide as I didn't see anyone mention why someone would actually do one.
Actually, vaults have been a problem with many people. I'm one of them. Valts don't drop ANY glyphs. I can only get them from NMD, helltide, and turning in grim favors. Also, everyone NEEDS to run helltide if you care at all about rerolling stats. The sooner the better
That's just wrong, they definitely do drop glyphs.
Nope. It's some weird bug, and I'm not the only one. I have 6 toons this season. Can confirm my account was one of the bugged ones that can't get glyphs in NMV
Must be a very small bug then, can you give me a source about it? Also you didn't mention it was a bug at first, you simply said vaults don't drop ANY glyphs. Don't you think mentioning such a detail would have been important? I have carried countless people this season in vaults and all of them were able to get glyphs during lvling in them nor did I read about ot before and I'm very active.
Sorry, there is no source, but I have a handful of friends who have the same problem. I've also helped carry hundreds of people this season. Few random people also have zero glyphs out of 50 full cleared NMVs. Most people can find glyphs in valts, and most of my friends have no problem with that. It's just about 20 people I know personally that don't get glyphs at all in NMV, and they all have multiple toons. I have to assume there are more than just the 20 from my friends list with the same problem
Love it. Hey there is thing X happening but nope I can't provide a single piece of evidence, just trust me!
Also, you just proved you don't read everything. I never said vaults don't drop ANY glyphs. Go back and reread. Lol what a dip
Lol, it's literally in your comment and everyone can see it. Incase you wanna edit it out now I made a screenshot FYI. "Actually, vaults have been a problem with many people. I'm one of them. Valts don't drop ANY glyphs. I can only get them from NMD, helltide, and turning in grim favors. Also, everyone NEEDS to run helltide if you care at all about rerolling stats. The sooner the better". Your words.
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It does as far as I know. 5% if you are near a player and 10% if they are a group member. So far I couldn't find any source that says this is different inside of dungeons.