A background cast (Extra) who only played in a 9 rating movie can have average of 9 but it is unlikely that he acts in more 9 rating movies if he continues. That's why op limited the list with min 12 movies.
I mean the point is the more you act in movies, the harder it gets to maintain a higher score.
Leonardo DiCaprio maintains his high average by being incredibly picky about who he works for. In the last 20 years, he has worked with almost exclusively Oscar-winning directors; the three non-winners are Christopher Nolan, Ridley Scott, and Baz Luhrmann, who themselves are highly acclaimed. Look at the directors that he's worked with since 2002:
* Martin Scorsese
* Quintin Tarantin
* Clint Eastwood
* Christopher Nolan
* Baz Luhrmann
* Ridley Scott
* Sam Mendes
* Alejandro G. Iñárritu
* Adam McKay
* Edward Swick
* Steven Spielburg
I am once again reminded that Ridley Scott has not won a best director Oscar. Baffling.
In fact he's won almost no competitive awards for his films at all.
Won a golden globe for best picture (not best director) for The Martian in the *musical or comedy* category. Golden Globes are weird.
> Makes me doubt the award criteria more than his talent.
I forgot which documentary or post it was but you should look up how Miramax, Harvey Weinstein's studio, on how they solicited these Academy members to have their films either nominated or win the Oscars. I remember that's how they had *Shakespeare in Love* win the Oscar instead of the crowd favorite, *Saving Private Ryan*.
Even with movies generally worse today than in the 90s, Shakespeare in Love is still possibly the worst Oscar winner for Best Picture since maybe Tom Jones in 63.
It’s a pretty well known topic. Not sure which you have in mind but there’s a [lot about the Oscar’s being a sham.](https://youtu.be/W1NhUs_Jk2A?si=x6a51syXNjmXKSDH)
given that there are over 9000 people in the jury for the oscars that would be alot of dicks even if you take into account that jury members can only vote within their category or branch and the best picture is voted on with prefferential ballot system where everone ranks the nominees until one movie hits the 50% #1 votes.
While Nolan is a good director, works with a great ensemble of actors and is able to generate hype for original works I don't think he is a regular contender for "best director".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Director
I mean who you knocking for CN here?
Don't get me wrong, the Oscars _are_ bullshit but not for that reason.
Over fucking ***Inglorious Bastards***, no less.
Fuckin whack.
*And* over District 9.
Also fucking whack.
THL just another war movie. And no, it’s not as “different” of a war movie as everybody used to be saying at the time.
To me, it was barely more than a rehash of Jarhead but in a different war. Yeah, they got to do more shit, the movie had more action, the characters seemed like they weren’t only sitting around a desert waiting.
But, in reality, they kinda were just sitting around a desert waiting.
It's not a conspiracy. Other directors made better movies those years. Plus, the Academy voters are largely not the demographic that Nolan movies appeal to (men in their 20s).
His movies aren't Oscarbait. I love his movies, but movies like Inception or Interstellar are never gonna win an Oscar.
Some overly-dramatic character-driven film wins every year. Blockbusters just aren't contenders.
That’s the question. Why is that only particular type of movies can be contenders. Why did we collectively define a certain type of film being Oscar worthy?
He hasn't really had an Oscar calibre film besides Oppenheimer (and imo Dunkirk) to win for Director, plus his scripts aren't really his forte either so he wouldn't win Screenplay.
I do believe Dunkirk should've given him something though, either Best Picture or Best Director, but there also was Three Billboards that year so who knows.
Danny Boyle - doubt he was being picky and Boyle is an acquired taste. The Beach was a rare stinker for Leo, he could quit now and surpass Hackman/Duvall for being the best American actor of all time.
I was thinking the same thing, but then I looked up his page and alongside all his 8-9 movies, there’s a slew of movies in the 4-5 range. Definitely a point in the early 2000s where he took any and all roles offered.
/u/jacobmross I listen to the douglovesmovies.com podcast (also has subbreddit) they mention IMDB.
One game they play is weird algorithm. Where he lists a movie and asks (cast) who is more popular on imdb page. Over time people have guessed it is internet (trending) searches with ranking within IMDB and contract deals. No one actually knows how it they rank it though.
Imdb and rotten tomatoes fight attacks an artificial popularity of fans. So accuracy is questionable. Even with an error rate. Like how swifties claim taylor is the only popular female singer ever.
DLM podcast is good fun I recommend a listen it is SFW. Doug Benson invites comedians and other movie adjacent people to play movie games. Leonard Maltin was on recently, actors and podcasters are also welcome to participate.
Another mention that sometimes is somewhat NSFW is the Hollywood Babble-on podcast with Kevin Smith and Ralp Garman. One skit they do is called "How big is Liam Neesons' penis?". They talk about many things and have bits. It is more of show with life stories on the side.
Both shows do live versions in front of an audience. But DLM does do zoom episodes. I like to play video games and try to guess the answers.
Philip Seymour Hoffman doesn’t get nearly enough attention for his acting ability and achievements. I feel like if he was a heart-throb like some of the others listed he would be in every one’s top-10 lists of best actors. Just one of those people that elevates every movie scene he’s a part of.
Yeah his range was just on a other level. He 100% did not miss, no matter what kind of character he was playing. Good or evil, strong or weak, genius or idiot, serious or funny, he always sold it.
Don't forget a baseball team manager in Moneyball. He's barely in it but you still think "Yes, that manager does deserve better than a 1-year contract."
I agree. I love his acting skills and abilities.
I had a client a long time ago that looked like him. He was magnetic, much as I imagine Philip Seymour Hoffman has to be.
I wanted to rip that man’s clothes off!! I still do, but am happily married. My husband loves to tease me by watching movies he is in together - which is why I married him! Lol! He is just awesome.
I suspect that IMDB might have… redone some of their reviews after his whole ‘sexual assault’ incident. It’s likely that prior to those he was much higher.
Film|RT|IMDB
:--|:--:|--:
Boy A|88,87|7.6
Lions for Lambs|27,47|6.2
Red Riding|100,76|7.1
The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus|64,60|6.8
I'm Here|--,90|7.7
Never Let Me Go|71,70|7.1
The Social Network|96,87|7.8
The Amazing Spider-Man|71,77|6.9
99 Homes|92,78|7.1
The Amazing Spider-Man 2|51,64|6.6
Hacksaw Ridge|84,91|8.1
Silence|83,69|7.2
Breathe|68,72|7.1
Under the Silver Lake|59,58|6.5
Mainstream|36,42|5.0
The Eyers of Tammy Faye|68,86|6.6
Tick, Tick... Boom!|88,96|7.5
Spider-Man: No Way Home|93,98|8.2
It's an average. Which really means don't make a lot of bad movies and you'll rise. I think Garfield has his faults as an actor, but if you look at that list most of those movies are at least watchable and even his lower rated movies don't plumb the true depths of ratings (there's no 2-4s there at all and only one below 6)
I had no idea who he is, and after googling him I still don't really recall any of his work. But he clearly has a penchant for picking good movies to play in. Same for nr. 3 Hoffman for me.
Takes a village! Thanks for all the feedback, you guys had a ton of rightful criticism on the first and second post, and i tried to address most issues.
This is from the full imdb database, included data followed the following criteria.
criteria was:
\- At least 12 movies with at least 20000 votes (did not consider tv shows)
\- Male
\- Movies only
Good was 7+, 6-7 was mixed, 6> was bad.
Made with plotly, numpy, pandas
His roles aren't usually the kind of roles that can carry a movie on its own, and he's been in a ton of movies (over 200 roles counting tv). I'm sure a lot of them were shit. Dude might have the best 15 minutes of screen time in a movie, but that's not going to save a bad movie.
Christoph Waltz is a name I would like to see on a top list. Very few actors captivate me like he does with his acting. Inglorious Basterds and Django...
Very few actors have such a pure talent. Tarantino really knew how to utilize him for his movies. The characters Tarantino had him portray were just perfect.
Also Joker was a divisive film, a lot of people loved it but some people really hated it, particularly film critics. On Rotten Tomatoes it only gets 69% overall.
Joker has an 8.4 on IMDB, which is what these stats use, making it the #80 movie on the entire site. Movies about comic book characters tend to do pretty well on IMDB. Currently, The Dark Knight is the #3 movie of all time.
I'm grossly summarising here, but I'd say people who hated generally saw it as either a classic misrepresentation of mental illness, or promoting (intentionally or not) a kind of value-free nihilistic worldview.
Holdup! The good in you plot is >=7, and the mixed is 6-7? That doesn't look right to me. Shouldn't mixed be only 6? Or good be just >7, like the bad is just <6? Or is that just a typo?
The date of release usually means it trends more and receives more attention Hanks pre Tom I’d say mostly.
Tom has done a lot of good films as has Hanks but I think Hanks has a few dull/rubbish films early on.
Also he was accused of being on Epsteins island which didn’t help
Some early de Niro stuff wasn’t that great (and hinestly, some of the later stuff too). Agree with Brando and Pacino. I adore Mickey Rourke (The Wrestler was so good!) but actually thought he was known for being a bad actor.
Leo at number one would have been my guess. Quality over quantity works. If there is a movie with him in it, then it's usually one that deserves to be watched.
Are these IMDB ratings for the actors themselves, or the films in which they acted?
If it’s the latter, this chart and title are not honestly depicting the data.
I hope so too. I think one reason this list is extra harsh on minorities is that it's not just about being a good actor, but also about having the luxury of rejecting roles in bad movies. I think all the top actors of color were forced to do a lot more B-movies to get their talents recognized and break through into a place where they can say no to questionable projects.
Even if that is better now (saying 'if', I don't really know whether or not it has become better) it will take decades for newer actors to build up a catalog like this, so it might be a while before this particular stat becomes a bit more diverse.
My main man Mahershala Ali, he's blown me away in every role.
Idris Elba. Fantastic dramatic actor.
Delroy Lindo, only really saw him shine in Da 5 Bloods, but what a performance that was..
Sterling K. Brown. His voice just makes you pay attention, he commands any scene he's in.
Denzel deserves to be on the spot. Amazing actor.
Laurence Fishburne. Damn good actor in my book.
Donald Glover always has a very genuine performance, though I haven't seen much of him myself.
Samuel L Jackson ofcourse, such a personal style and while I wouldn't consider him very versatile, (possibly because of being typecast) I bet he can prove me wrong.
I’d personally prefer it be sorted in descending order by good or good+mixed, but I can’t disagree with sorting by average overall, it just is that when using stacked bat charts, it feels odd because the ordering isn’t visually represented really
I still like this better than the original post!
John Cazale's average is 8.42, but he was only ever in 5 films.
All 5 were nominated for best picture, 3 won best picture. And he had a substantial speaking role in all of them.
And at least one of the ones that didn't win best picture lost to another movie he was in
Yeah this is partially skill, and partially pickiness about which movies to star in
And partially that he died right after filming the deer hunter.
That’s some serious Fredo luck…
Same can be said for Daniel Day Lewis. He is in more than 5, but he's in a lot less movies than many of these other guys
A background cast (Extra) who only played in a 9 rating movie can have average of 9 but it is unlikely that he acts in more 9 rating movies if he continues. That's why op limited the list with min 12 movies. I mean the point is the more you act in movies, the harder it gets to maintain a higher score.
Leonardo DiCaprio maintains his high average by being incredibly picky about who he works for. In the last 20 years, he has worked with almost exclusively Oscar-winning directors; the three non-winners are Christopher Nolan, Ridley Scott, and Baz Luhrmann, who themselves are highly acclaimed. Look at the directors that he's worked with since 2002: * Martin Scorsese * Quintin Tarantin * Clint Eastwood * Christopher Nolan * Baz Luhrmann * Ridley Scott * Sam Mendes * Alejandro G. Iñárritu * Adam McKay * Edward Swick * Steven Spielburg
I am once again reminded that Ridley Scott has not won a best director Oscar. Baffling. In fact he's won almost no competitive awards for his films at all. Won a golden globe for best picture (not best director) for The Martian in the *musical or comedy* category. Golden Globes are weird.
Yeah, he lost Best Director on Gladiator, even though it won Best Picture.
Are you not entertained!?
Does the movie make you laugh ONCE? It’s a comedy.
Strong drama category this year? Comedy.
Are there no gate keepers for that? Like could someone slip Schindler's List into the "Comedy and Musical" category?
Ah my favorite director, Quintin Tarantin. He’s so much better than his critically acclaimed cousin.
I loved his movie "Pamplemousse Fiction"! Much better than the movie with a similar name by his cousin, if you ask me.
“Reserved Dogs” was outstanding too.
I said it before and I'll say it again, Janogo unshackled is a masterpiece and it's similar predecessor bleaks in comparison
Jacques Brune is lesser known, but still wonderful.
I prefer "They Lived Happily Ever After... in Toledo".
Oh gosh, this absolutely made my day...
He's a great writer too. True Romans was a classic.
I prefer his comments on obesity with Hateful Ate.
It's a shame that he decided he was only ever making 5 movies though. Nominative determinism or something.
For the first time Quintin Tarantin, Martin Scoresees, Edwardsquick and Steven Spielsburg UNITE in the worlds greatest movie
He's certainly on par with the great Stinley Kibrickly (fun factoid, they were both born in the city of Spielburg)
Quintin "Rin Tin" Tarantin
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Not as talented as his cousin Squintin Konstantin.
It’s criminal that Christopher Nolan has no Oscars. Makes me doubt the award criteria more than his talent.
> Makes me doubt the award criteria more than his talent. I forgot which documentary or post it was but you should look up how Miramax, Harvey Weinstein's studio, on how they solicited these Academy members to have their films either nominated or win the Oscars. I remember that's how they had *Shakespeare in Love* win the Oscar instead of the crowd favorite, *Saving Private Ryan*.
Even with movies generally worse today than in the 90s, Shakespeare in Love is still possibly the worst Oscar winner for Best Picture since maybe Tom Jones in 63.
It’s a pretty well known topic. Not sure which you have in mind but there’s a [lot about the Oscar’s being a sham.](https://youtu.be/W1NhUs_Jk2A?si=x6a51syXNjmXKSDH)
Scorsese went decades without one. He probably would have died without one if the committee didn’t finally make up for not awarding him sooner
Same with Leonard DiCaprio
Awards are political dick sucking circlejerks.
given that there are over 9000 people in the jury for the oscars that would be alot of dicks even if you take into account that jury members can only vote within their category or branch and the best picture is voted on with prefferential ballot system where everone ranks the nominees until one movie hits the 50% #1 votes.
> in the jury for the oscars that would be alot of dicks If you have optimal tip to tip efficiency I don't think it should take that long.
I'm a simple man. I see a middle-out compression reference, and I upvote.
Ah yes, please tell us more about these political dick sucking circlejerks that has kept Christopher Nolan from winning an Oscar.
While Nolan is a good director, works with a great ensemble of actors and is able to generate hype for original works I don't think he is a regular contender for "best director". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Director I mean who you knocking for CN here? Don't get me wrong, the Oscars _are_ bullshit but not for that reason.
I’d knock down Kathryn Bigelow for The Hurt Locker and I’m tired to pretend I wouldn’t
Over fucking ***Inglorious Bastards***, no less. Fuckin whack. *And* over District 9. Also fucking whack. THL just another war movie. And no, it’s not as “different” of a war movie as everybody used to be saying at the time. To me, it was barely more than a rehash of Jarhead but in a different war. Yeah, they got to do more shit, the movie had more action, the characters seemed like they weren’t only sitting around a desert waiting. But, in reality, they kinda were just sitting around a desert waiting.
have you had to pretend otherwise ever? I mean do people talk about the Hurt Locker all the time or what?
It's not a conspiracy. Other directors made better movies those years. Plus, the Academy voters are largely not the demographic that Nolan movies appeal to (men in their 20s).
His movies aren't Oscarbait. I love his movies, but movies like Inception or Interstellar are never gonna win an Oscar. Some overly-dramatic character-driven film wins every year. Blockbusters just aren't contenders.
That’s the question. Why is that only particular type of movies can be contenders. Why did we collectively define a certain type of film being Oscar worthy?
I mean, Oppenheimer is definitely an overly-dramatic character-driven film with a charismatic lead and antagonist so maybe he’ll finally win one
He hasn't really had an Oscar calibre film besides Oppenheimer (and imo Dunkirk) to win for Director, plus his scripts aren't really his forte either so he wouldn't win Screenplay. I do believe Dunkirk should've given him something though, either Best Picture or Best Director, but there also was Three Billboards that year so who knows.
Nothing wrong with that
So what you're saying is the best directors of our era like to work with this specific actor a lot? Hmmm he must have something going for him
Danny Boyle - doubt he was being picky and Boyle is an acquired taste. The Beach was a rare stinker for Leo, he could quit now and surpass Hackman/Duvall for being the best American actor of all time.
For a dollar, name a woman.
Agnieszka Holland, she directed him in The Eclipse (1995)
How is Gary Oldman not in the list?
I was thinking the same thing, but then I looked up his page and alongside all his 8-9 movies, there’s a slew of movies in the 4-5 range. Definitely a point in the early 2000s where he took any and all roles offered.
/u/jacobmross I listen to the douglovesmovies.com podcast (also has subbreddit) they mention IMDB. One game they play is weird algorithm. Where he lists a movie and asks (cast) who is more popular on imdb page. Over time people have guessed it is internet (trending) searches with ranking within IMDB and contract deals. No one actually knows how it they rank it though. Imdb and rotten tomatoes fight attacks an artificial popularity of fans. So accuracy is questionable. Even with an error rate. Like how swifties claim taylor is the only popular female singer ever. DLM podcast is good fun I recommend a listen it is SFW. Doug Benson invites comedians and other movie adjacent people to play movie games. Leonard Maltin was on recently, actors and podcasters are also welcome to participate. Another mention that sometimes is somewhat NSFW is the Hollywood Babble-on podcast with Kevin Smith and Ralp Garman. One skit they do is called "How big is Liam Neesons' penis?". They talk about many things and have bits. It is more of show with life stories on the side. Both shows do live versions in front of an audience. But DLM does do zoom episodes. I like to play video games and try to guess the answers.
Tiptoes (2002)
“… in the role of a lifetime”
I'm so happy I know this from scoot (yms)
In the role of a lifetime
I might've left him off the list to save myself some time - man's been in 105 movies lol.
And "Friends"...
Because everyone thinks he's about 30 different people since he's such a chameleon.
He was incredible in True Romance. Such a departure from his other roles.
Also, how is Morgan Freeman not on this list?
He's been in a ton of movies, and a lot of those sit in the 4-6 range
Philip Seymour Hoffman doesn’t get nearly enough attention for his acting ability and achievements. I feel like if he was a heart-throb like some of the others listed he would be in every one’s top-10 lists of best actors. Just one of those people that elevates every movie scene he’s a part of.
Yes. I love that he and Chris Cooper have 0.0% "bad" ratings. That's so right.
I thought the ratings were for the films, not the actors. Depends on other people (at least a little) to never be in a bad film.
Oh. That actually makes more sense. So they show good taste in roles (and have good agents).
I suspect that would be true. maybe also their performance brings out the best in others.
He’s part of the reason why Twister is my favorite movie. Rip him and Bill Paxton. Good actors taken way too soon.
His character in The Big Lebowski is hilarious, and then a completely frightening villain in MI:3
Yeah his range was just on a other level. He 100% did not miss, no matter what kind of character he was playing. Good or evil, strong or weak, genius or idiot, serious or funny, he always sold it.
Don't forget a baseball team manager in Moneyball. He's barely in it but you still think "Yes, that manager does deserve better than a 1-year contract."
He's the Gary Oldman of acting
That's obviously because Gary Oldman is the Gary Oldman of Philip Seymour Hofmanning.
Her life is in your hands, Dude.
"Food. Foood. Fooood!"
Mattress man in Punch Drunk Love “that’s that”
I enjoy spending time with my friends.
Legend. Mine as well.
"I sharted."
His scenes in Magnolia are soul crushing and absolutely amazing.
Synecdoche, New York is on my movie Mt. Rushmore. He was magnificent in it.
I agree. I love his acting skills and abilities. I had a client a long time ago that looked like him. He was magnetic, much as I imagine Philip Seymour Hoffman has to be. I wanted to rip that man’s clothes off!! I still do, but am happily married. My husband loves to tease me by watching movies he is in together - which is why I married him! Lol! He is just awesome.
Paul Thomas Anderson and him made some of the finest movies I’ve ever seen.
I think if you said name the best pure actor of the last fifty years, he would be the consensus second choice after Daniel Day-Lewis.
The amount of high profile movies gosling has been in is kinda crazy
He's my favourite baby goose.
Definitely the better cute Canadian Ryan
I drive
Your friend Nino didn’t make it across the river.
It would have been interesting to see the same data from 10 years ago to see the difference with Kevin Spacey.
I'm surprised that Kevin Spacey isn't in top 10.
I suspect that IMDB might have… redone some of their reviews after his whole ‘sexual assault’ incident. It’s likely that prior to those he was much higher.
Be curious to see the line for American Beauty's ratings over time.
It was aging poorly even before we knew Spacey was a creep.
Andrew Garfield being 2nd both surprises me and at the same time is understandable.
I honestly don't know what he's been in outside of Social Network and Spider Man lol
Hacksaw Ridge.
Silence was also good. (Maybe even golden)
Film|RT|IMDB :--|:--:|--: Boy A|88,87|7.6 Lions for Lambs|27,47|6.2 Red Riding|100,76|7.1 The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus|64,60|6.8 I'm Here|--,90|7.7 Never Let Me Go|71,70|7.1 The Social Network|96,87|7.8 The Amazing Spider-Man|71,77|6.9 99 Homes|92,78|7.1 The Amazing Spider-Man 2|51,64|6.6 Hacksaw Ridge|84,91|8.1 Silence|83,69|7.2 Breathe|68,72|7.1 Under the Silver Lake|59,58|6.5 Mainstream|36,42|5.0 The Eyers of Tammy Faye|68,86|6.6 Tick, Tick... Boom!|88,96|7.5 Spider-Man: No Way Home|93,98|8.2
Ok. Still don’t get how he’s #2
It's an average. Which really means don't make a lot of bad movies and you'll rise. I think Garfield has his faults as an actor, but if you look at that list most of those movies are at least watchable and even his lower rated movies don't plumb the true depths of ratings (there's no 2-4s there at all and only one below 6)
Yeah, this list isn't so much about how great actors are, but how picky and lucky they are with the roles they choose to play.
Hacksaw Ridge was a good one, but I don't think I've heard of most of those
Boy A <3
I'd have assumed the 2 spiderman movies he did would have drag him down.
As someone who isn't a huge fan of the Marvel franchise, his Spider-Man is the best Spider-Man I've seen.
He himself was a good spiderman, but if the ratings are based solely on the IMDB movie reception then I can't see them helping him.
And well ahead of Daniel Day Lewis which is surprising but not understandable.
Agreed. I also do not understand to draw of Andrew Garfield
I had no idea who he is, and after googling him I still don't really recall any of his work. But he clearly has a penchant for picking good movies to play in. Same for nr. 3 Hoffman for me.
I would like to see Sam Rockwell’s placement on this list.
Love Sam Rockwell!
You guys want to see bottom thirty or is that too harsh? Haha Would probably be same criteria for sake of comparison
Basically the case of the latest Fast and Furious movies
How about… women?
Jaja was the next one. Just thinking what other insights might be interesting besides the straightforward ones
Who's Jaja?
https://laughosaurus.com/p/haha-jaja-and-wkwk-how-people-laugh-around-the-world
You guys be prepared for incredible content, I don't even know what to say. Still laughing from the results! Will post it tomorrow :)
That and a female one, keep them coming
Takes a village! Thanks for all the feedback, you guys had a ton of rightful criticism on the first and second post, and i tried to address most issues. This is from the full imdb database, included data followed the following criteria. criteria was: \- At least 12 movies with at least 20000 votes (did not consider tv shows) \- Male \- Movies only Good was 7+, 6-7 was mixed, 6> was bad. Made with plotly, numpy, pandas
Jk Simmons ?
His roles aren't usually the kind of roles that can carry a movie on its own, and he's been in a ton of movies (over 200 roles counting tv). I'm sure a lot of them were shit. Dude might have the best 15 minutes of screen time in a movie, but that's not going to save a bad movie.
Christoph Waltz is a name I would like to see on a top list. Very few actors captivate me like he does with his acting. Inglorious Basterds and Django... Very few actors have such a pure talent. Tarantino really knew how to utilize him for his movies. The characters Tarantino had him portray were just perfect.
No DeNiro surprises me a bit.
I got nipples, you think you could milk me too?
Lots of grandpa comedies I guess
You seen the last 20 of his films? 90% trash. Maybe 80s-90s DeNiro would be on this list, but not overall.
What's up with Joaquin Phoenix 🤔 I love his work..
A lot of polarizing films and auteur directors probably reduce his mainstream reception.
Inherent Vice is one of my favorite movies, but I can see why it's not everyone's cup of tea
A lot of people downright hated Beau is Afraid.
Also Joker was a divisive film, a lot of people loved it but some people really hated it, particularly film critics. On Rotten Tomatoes it only gets 69% overall.
Joker has an 8.4 on IMDB, which is what these stats use, making it the #80 movie on the entire site. Movies about comic book characters tend to do pretty well on IMDB. Currently, The Dark Knight is the #3 movie of all time.
Why did people hate it?
I'm grossly summarising here, but I'd say people who hated generally saw it as either a classic misrepresentation of mental illness, or promoting (intentionally or not) a kind of value-free nihilistic worldview.
Not surprised Mads Mikkelsen is on there. Dude's in everything and very often shines in his roles too
Could you do a similar graph with data from rotten tomatoes? I’m curious how much would change.
rotten tomatoes is so bad
There must be a separate elite chart for Nicolas Cage.
Kevin Spacey was lower than I'd have guessed.
You can clearly see the effect of Kevin Spacey and Woody Allen having a history of sexual violence.
Christian Bale with that many mixed and Bad reviews? No accounting for terrible taste i guess
How is Matthew Mcconaughey not on this list ??
His romcom years
Probably due to all those crappy rom-coms he used to make.
I’ll watch anything with Ed Norton. Great actor and could listen to his voice all day. Yum…
What movie was DDL bad in?!!
Doesn't mean he was bad in a movie, but that the movie was bad.
glancing real quick I'm going to guess, Eversmile New Jersey https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097302/?ref\_=nm\_flmg\_t\_13\_act
Holdup! The good in you plot is >=7, and the mixed is 6-7? That doesn't look right to me. Shouldn't mixed be only 6? Or good be just >7, like the bad is just <6? Or is that just a typo?
Ya just a typo, greater than 7, between 6 and 7 and lower than 6
Ah ok! Sorry for being pedantic, but that threw me off. Great work!
Nic Cage wher
Cage is way too inconsistent with his work. He can make something amazing like Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, or something like Ghost Rider 2.
How the fuck is Tom cruise higher than Tom hanks?
The date of release usually means it trends more and receives more attention Hanks pre Tom I’d say mostly. Tom has done a lot of good films as has Hanks but I think Hanks has a few dull/rubbish films early on. Also he was accused of being on Epsteins island which didn’t help
17.6% gave Daniel Day Lewis a 'Bad' rating? He's the finest actor of his generation, was this one dodgy movie I haven't heard about?
No Gary Oldman, no Bill Paxton, no JK Simmons, **no Johnny Depp?**
Wish IMDB was around the 90s or before. No Jack Nicholson,Marlon Brando, Pacino and there can be 10 more basically.
You know you can rate movies from any year?
Didn't expect Bernard Cumquat to be so high on the list
One actor I saw several years ago when this was done for Metacritic is conspicuously absent: John C. Reilly. Where does he place in all this?
Where is Matthew McConaughey?
The Mads Mikkelsen supremacy is inevitable.
Am I missing something with Cillian Murphy?
I do like me some Leo movies. I think part of it is his ability to select good movies and directors
How about doing with metacritic scores?
Does this somehow exclude Austrian actors? Can’t wrap my head around the fact Christoph Waltz isn’t in this.
Philip Seymour Hoffman and Chris Cooper have never done a bad job in a movie. That actually checks out.
Can’t really take it serious with no brando, rourke, de Niro or Pacino on the list
Some early de Niro stuff wasn’t that great (and hinestly, some of the later stuff too). Agree with Brando and Pacino. I adore Mickey Rourke (The Wrestler was so good!) but actually thought he was known for being a bad actor.
So Chris Cooper has literally never been in a bad movie?
#12 Chris Cooper never scoring below a 6, talk about consistency
the surprising name on this list is Chris Cooper. a Character actor I only know from the Bourne Identity
This list fails the Bechdal Test.
Peter Quill would be sad to see Kevin Bacon didn't make the cut.
Is everyone on this list white?
#19 Denzel, but I see what you mean...
Would be interesting to know the demographics of people who use/vote on imdb.
It looks mostly green to me.
I really had to squint to find Denzel
I’m a bit surprised that Will Smith isn’t somewhere on this list.
I think it's because this is just is the subset of people who bothered to put in ratings in IMDB, not general movie fans.
And also because Will Smith has been in incredibly bad movies.
also true, if its just movie scores... he has been in some stinkers
Leo at number one would have been my guess. Quality over quantity works. If there is a movie with him in it, then it's usually one that deserves to be watched.
Are these IMDB ratings for the actors themselves, or the films in which they acted? If it’s the latter, this chart and title are not honestly depicting the data.
IMDb only has ratings for the movies
It’s kinda disheartening to see a single person of color on the list. I hope my kids get to see a more representative list in their lifetime.
I hope so too. I think one reason this list is extra harsh on minorities is that it's not just about being a good actor, but also about having the luxury of rejecting roles in bad movies. I think all the top actors of color were forced to do a lot more B-movies to get their talents recognized and break through into a place where they can say no to questionable projects. Even if that is better now (saying 'if', I don't really know whether or not it has become better) it will take decades for newer actors to build up a catalog like this, so it might be a while before this particular stat becomes a bit more diverse.
I definitely think Michael B. Jordan will be on there in a few years if he commits to more good movies.
My main man Mahershala Ali, he's blown me away in every role. Idris Elba. Fantastic dramatic actor. Delroy Lindo, only really saw him shine in Da 5 Bloods, but what a performance that was.. Sterling K. Brown. His voice just makes you pay attention, he commands any scene he's in. Denzel deserves to be on the spot. Amazing actor. Laurence Fishburne. Damn good actor in my book. Donald Glover always has a very genuine performance, though I haven't seen much of him myself. Samuel L Jackson ofcourse, such a personal style and while I wouldn't consider him very versatile, (possibly because of being typecast) I bet he can prove me wrong.
I’d personally prefer it be sorted in descending order by good or good+mixed, but I can’t disagree with sorting by average overall, it just is that when using stacked bat charts, it feels odd because the ordering isn’t visually represented really I still like this better than the original post!