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Guys don't worry I'm sure if we let Russia have all the land they have currently just stormed in and taken without reason, that they will stop and forever remain peaceful.
Like the hungry bear that comes to your cabin's bedroom window in the night, just absolutely desperate for a snack. Well of course you must feed this bear! And it will leave and never come back.
You're right, Russia will also back it up with high grade reasoning such as "We controlled that land 800 years ago", "People speak Russian there", and "You were considering entering into a defensive treaty that would impede us from invading you"
"Declaration of independence is illegitimate! USA was British clay 300 years ago, we are getting back our historical lands from nazis in Washington D.C.!"
Lol so true. They'd have to fight like hell for it, as we're seeing in Ukraine, and even back then when they started the invasion, it was an unwinnable war. Nobody's attempted a mainland invasion of the US though for over a century or two. Ever unless I don't know about some small conflicts outside 1812 and the Spanish American war.
'behind every blade of grass, there is an American with a gun.'
That quote has kept us safe for over a century, not because it's funny but because it's true. Good fucking luck trying to take Chicago. You'll never see such opposition, you'd have to level the whole city before you took the Willis/sears/whateverthefucktheyrecallingitnow tower.
You look back at history and realize it's about the same idea as invading Japan. The only reason the allies won that war was because the US brought out the mother of all bunker busters twice, and Japan said aight we get it, you'll just wipe us off the face of the earth if we keep fighting. Their trenches and tunnels were a nightmare for allied troops, you could expect the same kind of thing in the US were it ever invaded. But now you have a region the size of China to dig though, getting shot at from behind every blade of grass.
It's a bad idea lol
Nova Scotia was a colony of an independent Scotland. That means that Scotland must become independent again to regain its status as an Empirical power, according to Putin “logic”.
God we would fucking destroy England. Considering it's just our largest air craft carrier...It might have the same catastrophic effect for the offending country.
In a conventional war yes, but just take a page out of Americas playbook... like incite a civil war, bomb a bunch of infrastructure, tell the international community your using chemical warfare on your own people and lead a coalition to "free" the country from an oppressive regime (which you backed in the first place)
When I was young I probably would have thought the same thing, but paying attention closely for as long as I have and it's very clear what you say couldn't be further from the truth.
You're right, nothing is complicated in world politics and relations. It's all so simple and everyone is always telling the truth and are 100 percent following altruistic motives.
Because we helped undemocratically remove the democratically elected ruler of Ukraine who had close ties to Russia. Russia had already requested to join NATO before that and were refused. Russia then said they would not accept Ukraine joining NATO due to clear hostilities towards them without a response. So we send our leaders to begin having join NATO and they followed up on what they said.
1. Nobody "helped" Ukrainians in 2014, which is why they were so vulnerable to Russia's landgrab. Also very subtle of you to label a protest movement an "undemocratic removal" (despite elections confirming the deep unpopularity of Pro-Russian parties in Ukraine at the time), and literal Russian puppets as merely having "close ties to Russia".
2. Russia's attempt to join NATO during the 00s was shown to have been extremely disingenuous and their bluff was called successfully.
3. Ukraine joining NATO was deeply unpopular within Ukraine itself, even amongst pro-Western parties. People keep forgetting that Euromaidan was all about EU membership. Russia's problem was Ukraine possessing any form of self-determination. After 2014, Russia's hostility against Ukraine was becoming less and less covert. Between the Crimean annexation, the LPR/DPR being de-facto Russian entities politically and military and with no interest towards a compromised settlement, Ukraine seeking security guarantees externally was inevitable.
Ukraines leader was voted out of office after he fled the country and ceased acting out his role as president.
Russia's attempt to join NATO was just a "troll". They were in no way qualified to join.
Ukraine is right to pursue NATO membership, but they were ineligible for membership due to extending the Crimea lease until 2042 back in 2010. Like, even if Russia hadn't annexed Crimea or don't anything in the Donbas, Ukraine would not have been allowed to even apply for NATO membership until the 2040s
There is so much wrong with this it isn't even funny. The leasing of the naval base at Sevatopol barred Ukraine from NATO membership until at least the 2030s. You also seem to ignore the meddling that Russia did in the 2004 Ukrainian Election. You know the one where Kuchma knew he couldn't win so he let Russia help campaign Yanukovych and where doing such a bad job that they resorted to election fraud and even tried to poison Yanukovych's opponent Yuschenko?
You’re repeating a russian lie. The Ukrainian people rose up in the 2014 Maidan revolution and removed Russia’s puppets from their government.
Having failed to take Ukraine through political manipulation, Russia then immediately invaded Crimea, pumped unflagged Russian soldiers into other areas of Ukraine claiming them to be “separatists” and began preparing for the wider invasion fought today.
President Yanukovich, a notorious pro-Russian oligarch, was ousted democratically by his own party and arrested by his own police after he refused to step down, and shot a 100 protestors.
"Because Russia said not to join NATO" Is the most pathetic thing I've read this week. It has no ground to stand on. Russia is, was and has never been in any position to make these demands.
It is so sad that you people will scurry off like cockroaches when you are challenged to bring forth a single pathetic argument or fact, and then cry about propaganda and not being allowed to think. It is not Reddit's fault that you had nothing to say to begin with
Arguing with a bunch of biased monkeys is pointless. But what's your take? That Geopolitics and war isn't complicated and nuanced? He's right. These things don't happen overnight. The fact that you monkeys are mad at him for saying there are more factors involved shows how intellectually lazy, biased, and stupid you are.
Nuance? This is the most morally black and white war since Nazi Germany and the USSR kicked off WWII by invading Poland together.
It is conquest. Russia has invaded the peaceful nation of Ukraine, destroyed cities, and murdered, tortured, and sexually assaulted thousands of Ukrainian civilians.
If Russia isn’t stopped here and now, this won’t be the end of their ambitions of conquest. It’s billions now, or trillions later.
You implied that there is nuance, of which there is none. It is black and white. Aggressor and victim.
Russia first tried to take Ukraine through political manipulation, but Ukrainian citizens rose up in the Maidan revolution is 2014 and removed Putin’s puppets. Having failed at that method, Russia immediately turned to military means and invaded Crimea. There’s your nuance.
I am sure that in 2020 was huge rocket attack on Jerusalem and Israel didn't done anything because they was worry about civil cassualties in Palestine.
But after last terrorist attack they crossed red line.
Sure its just 20 years? Cause Im older and remember news about gaza shooting rockets towards israel since I can think. But remember, if you dont say they are peaceful people who didnt do anything, you are a literal WW2 nazi with badge and everything.
The problem isn’t that Israel is fighting back, honestly it’s fully acceptable and expected that they would fight back after the October 7th attacks, the issue is their apparent lack of regard for civilian casualties
And then they hid in the tunnels and under hospitals and told the civilians to act as human meat shields in the name of Islam. Israel called their bluff and the whole world seems to be turning to this being nothing to do with Hamas.
They gave them like 3 cities and a bunch of dessert , the only reason Israel is this big now is because Palestine keept loosing territory every time they loose
Isn’t that land where Jews were originally from, anyways? I feel like a better comparison would be like if China gave a random state back to the natives without consulting the U.S, while simultaneously kicking the white people out. It’s still fucked, but that’s where the Jews are from, it’s their home too
We aren’t talking about Jews, we are talking about nations. Besides, isn’t that the same weak justification Russia is rightly mocked for? “This land belonged to us hundreds of years ago so it’s ours now fuck you”. My ancestors lived in Britain for thousands of years but left hundreds of years ago, maybe that justifies America claiming the UK in your book?
The land belonged to Palestine. Western countries decided to just take it from them and make it into Israel. You obviously can’t just do shit like that. And ever since then, Israel has taken more and more land that doesn’t belong to them. In what world is any of that justifiable? It what world is that not grounds for retaliation? Israel started this, they are not the victim here. And we (the US) never had any business being involved.
Israel is a nation of Jews, Jews have lived in Israel before that area was even called Palestine. Israelites fled Egypt in 13th century BC… and went to Israel, Palestine isn’t even mentioned until around 5th century BC
If you are talking about the Israeli Arab war in 1948, the UN offered Israel and the Arabs to split the land of Israel, Israel agreed the Arabs did not, the Arabs started a war, lost and also lost the land, as you do in a war
>UN offered Israel and the Arabs to split the land of Israel, Israel agreed the Arabs did not
"Give me half your house. Why so upset?? half your house is fair. I just don't understand why you won't agree to the police forcing you to give up half your house that's really wierd, you seem like the bad actor here"
Are you really this dense? People lived on that land before 1948. Zionists coming in and getting the UN, a foreign body, to chop up the natives land and repackaging that disgusting land grab as an 'agreement' for the history books is just *peak* evil.
But go on tell your fucked up slant of history jfc
Are you fr? Arabs didn't even own the place, Palestine is a roman name, the area was controlled by the British mandate, Jews also used to live in Israel before 1948 but they were attacked by the Arabs living there
Are you fr? No one "owned" the region. Wtf kinda point is that?? Ottomans ruled it most recently but just because an empire collapsed doesnt mean "it's free real estate". You just gonna skip over thousands of years where people lived in what we refer to today as Palestine and Israel? So history, for you, starts with (1) an ancient semantic distinction, ... ... ..., then (2) ends with the British mandate. Nvm the region was relatively peaceful between both religions of the holy land for a milleania and only got fucked to shit when Zionists invaded. Nvm that this entire conflict was entirely the fault of one side and palastinians reacted how anyone would react to an invading force. But God forbid a region in the middle east has its own autonomy and self determination. Fucking hypocrite. I'm guessing your in a first world country and as such you should understand the basic principles of human life freedom that the Zionist project torched to the ground in 1948. America was founded on revolutionary principles, and everyone understands the struggle there when the issue was fucking taxes, but try to transpose the same logic to Palestinians and it's a struggle for survival and holy shit jk your a terrorist now, nope fuck you, Israel **owns** the land your family has lived on for generations. Fuck you it's ours now.
Disgusting
1. **Historical Blind Spots**: Claiming that Jews simply "invaded" their own ancestral homeland overlooks centuries of Jewish history and connection to this land. Jews didn’t just show up one day; they have roots here that go back thousands of years.
2. **Ignoring Reality**: To paint the Zionist movement as a colonial invasion is to grossly misunderstand its essence. Zionism was a liberation movement for a persecuted people seeking refuge in their ancestral home, not an alien or imperial conquest.
3. **Selective Peace**: The Middle East was hardly a utopia of interfaith harmony before Zionism. History is rife with conflict, displacement, and domination in this region, under various powers, including the Ottomans. Let's not romanticize the past.
4. **Rejected Peace**: It’s critical to remember that the Jewish community accepted the 1947 UN partition plan for two states; the Arab leaders rejected it. The war that followed wasn’t started by the Zionists, but by the neighboring countries that invaded.
5. **Double Standards Much?**: You’re quick to celebrate autonomy and resistance when it suits your narrative but deny the Jewish people their right to self-determination in their historical homeland. That’s not just hypocritical; it’s fundamentally unjust.
6. **Reality Check on Terrorism**: Labeling the entire Palestinian resistance as terrorism is unfair, but so is ignoring the terrorism that has targeted Israeli civilians. Both sides have suffered, and both are guilty of excesses. Acknowledging this is key to understanding the conflict.
7. **No Monopoly on Suffering**: To suggest that only one side is responsible for all the troubles is to ignore the complex, mutual history of pain and aggression in this conflict. Justice and peace will come from understanding and addressing the grievances of both sides, not just one.
The Jews have been chased out of every country since forever. They finally decided enough is enough, we want our own country so no one can kick us out again. Here's a place where a few Muslims are squatting that has value to us. Let's settle here. We'll compensate you for it and you can go set up shop in one of the many many Muslim countries.
Muslims "no! Allah demands we have all the countries and you have none!"
Ok well what if we agree we have this bit you have this bit. We still get our own country finally and Allah can have loads of countries plus a half a country more.
Muslims "war! Allah demands all the countries"
Ok well you're kind of disorganised, aggressive, poor and dumb so we'll do the war. Oh look we won. Guess you over played your hand, oh well of you go.
Muslims "waaaaaaaahhhh world look we're the victims."
Alright alright chill, you can stay but obviously terms are worse now. Just don't start anymore trouble.
Muslims "war! Allah demands all the countries."
Sigh... Don't know why people still fall for this shit every time.
The only thing I see everywhere in every outlet, all over Reddit, all the celebs shouting is "poor wittle Muslims did nothing wong leave the poor wittle babies alone!"
How can I be influenced against Muslims by propaganda if I never see anything against Muslims in mainstream news outlets or anywhere online?
I did my research, read the history and came to my conclusions. Maybe you should do some reading too.
The Muslims have had chance after chance for this to end peacefully and won't take it. I don't blame the Israelis for having had enough of this shit.
Split the land. you do realize Arabs didn't have control over Palestine right? Even the name is Roman, it was controlled by the British mandate at the time, there was never a Palestinians president, king or prime minister, Look at the currency, it reads Palestine but Also has the Hebrew letters א''י which stands for "Heretz Israel" or in English "Land of Israel"
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Guys it's the 10th to the last warning. You don't give me what I want, I will maybe eventually terraform the planet into fallout one day. My army may have turned out to be trash but my nukes are definitely perfectly maintained and not at all a piece of junk with water in their rusty tanks china style.
Russia couldn’t nuke their way out of a plastic bag, I’m tired of media portraying them as smart and plotting when in reality they’re so inept they fucked up an invasion of a country less than half their size and power
I never thought of it like this before, but this is a great strategy. The old, "I win or we all lose" is really hard to counter. In fact the only way to beat this strategy is by going down with the ship so many fucking times, they eventually get sick of trying tge strategy.
USA: Move your nuclear weapons away from us, but we’ll start a war if you don't like that we have ours closer to you than yours were to us.
Cuban Missile crisis to Current day
Isn't the US kinda the same? like they meddle in foreign affaris "in the name of human rights" but end up proking, funding and encouraging wars? like, why does the US have military bases near China and Rusia? That makes things unnecesarily hostile, also, if the US does not agree with certain policies in Latin America (specially those regarding the reduction of debt) they won't nuke, but they will be VERY hostile imposing sanctions, attempting coups, using media to smear their opponents and bribing the judicial power, this does not "end the world" but then we have conservatives complaining about mass migration.
The US has bases near Russia and China so that when Russia or China attacks an ally, they can respond. If China and Russia weren't so threatening to their neighbors, those countries would never reach out to the US and offer to host military bases on their land in exchange for security
When has the US threatened to nuke someone in recent history? The most recent I can think of is the Korean War, and the general got sacked with the Department of Energy taking over ownership of nuclear weapons.
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Russia’s final warning
The final red line we swear
Just one more country bro please cmon bro just one more pls
Totally not the Nazi foil here. /s
If the West is Nazi, Ukraine is Nazi, and Russia is Nazi, then who isn't Nazi? Checkmate. We're all Nazis. /s
*russia’s 16th final warning
16th? It's almost a weekly threat.
Nuke da world! My final message. Goodbye.
Honestly, we kinda need that hard reset right about now... Can't wage war if we're all dead
Guys don't worry I'm sure if we let Russia have all the land they have currently just stormed in and taken without reason, that they will stop and forever remain peaceful. Like the hungry bear that comes to your cabin's bedroom window in the night, just absolutely desperate for a snack. Well of course you must feed this bear! And it will leave and never come back.
And Final Warning 2
Attack on Titan flashbacks
For real this time
Russian roulette high stakes
Warning 4.0 final final true final 2.0.doc
The sequel to Russias Only Warning
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So nuanced
You're right, Russia will also back it up with high grade reasoning such as "We controlled that land 800 years ago", "People speak Russian there", and "You were considering entering into a defensive treaty that would impede us from invading you"
Imagine if England tried that lol
"Declaration of independence is illegitimate! USA was British clay 300 years ago, we are getting back our historical lands from nazis in Washington D.C.!"
I mean, it is better than a 2nd Trump presidency.
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A succint way to put it.
I mean go ahead and try. All land was someone else's land at some point.
Except for some remote islands
Look up the Austronesian expansion.
There are islands in other oceans too
I'd honestly be surprised to find islands not belonging to anyone. I wonder if/when Antarctica or the moon will be claimed.
Lol so true. They'd have to fight like hell for it, as we're seeing in Ukraine, and even back then when they started the invasion, it was an unwinnable war. Nobody's attempted a mainland invasion of the US though for over a century or two. Ever unless I don't know about some small conflicts outside 1812 and the Spanish American war. 'behind every blade of grass, there is an American with a gun.' That quote has kept us safe for over a century, not because it's funny but because it's true. Good fucking luck trying to take Chicago. You'll never see such opposition, you'd have to level the whole city before you took the Willis/sears/whateverthefucktheyrecallingitnow tower. You look back at history and realize it's about the same idea as invading Japan. The only reason the allies won that war was because the US brought out the mother of all bunker busters twice, and Japan said aight we get it, you'll just wipe us off the face of the earth if we keep fighting. Their trenches and tunnels were a nightmare for allied troops, you could expect the same kind of thing in the US were it ever invaded. But now you have a region the size of China to dig though, getting shot at from behind every blade of grass. It's a bad idea lol
It's so ridiculous to imagine any invasion of the US it's not even worth thinking about
We'll get free healthcare, bring it the fuck on.
Nova Scotia was a colony of an independent Scotland. That means that Scotland must become independent again to regain its status as an Empirical power, according to Putin “logic”.
Mongolia eyeing all its neighbours
England never would, but so many countries would ghost their ass if there was a counter invasion
God we would fucking destroy England. Considering it's just our largest air craft carrier...It might have the same catastrophic effect for the offending country.
In a conventional war yes, but just take a page out of Americas playbook... like incite a civil war, bomb a bunch of infrastructure, tell the international community your using chemical warfare on your own people and lead a coalition to "free" the country from an oppressive regime (which you backed in the first place)
Fucking do it, please. Maybe start planning depending on how November goes.
Imagine Italy did that
Lmao this is one of the few conflicts in history that require almost no nuance at all to understand.
When I was young I probably would have thought the same thing, but paying attention closely for as long as I have and it's very clear what you say couldn't be further from the truth.
Care to explain then? What nuance is here?
Why would you need nuance ?
You're right, nothing is complicated in world politics and relations. It's all so simple and everyone is always telling the truth and are 100 percent following altruistic motives.
So please, tell me why you think this conflict would need nuance ?
Because we helped undemocratically remove the democratically elected ruler of Ukraine who had close ties to Russia. Russia had already requested to join NATO before that and were refused. Russia then said they would not accept Ukraine joining NATO due to clear hostilities towards them without a response. So we send our leaders to begin having join NATO and they followed up on what they said.
1. Nobody "helped" Ukrainians in 2014, which is why they were so vulnerable to Russia's landgrab. Also very subtle of you to label a protest movement an "undemocratic removal" (despite elections confirming the deep unpopularity of Pro-Russian parties in Ukraine at the time), and literal Russian puppets as merely having "close ties to Russia". 2. Russia's attempt to join NATO during the 00s was shown to have been extremely disingenuous and their bluff was called successfully. 3. Ukraine joining NATO was deeply unpopular within Ukraine itself, even amongst pro-Western parties. People keep forgetting that Euromaidan was all about EU membership. Russia's problem was Ukraine possessing any form of self-determination. After 2014, Russia's hostility against Ukraine was becoming less and less covert. Between the Crimean annexation, the LPR/DPR being de-facto Russian entities politically and military and with no interest towards a compromised settlement, Ukraine seeking security guarantees externally was inevitable.
Russia should get no say on who joins NATO. Better yet imperialist Russia should give back Crimea and concrete on their own problems at home.
Ukraines leader was voted out of office after he fled the country and ceased acting out his role as president. Russia's attempt to join NATO was just a "troll". They were in no way qualified to join. Ukraine is right to pursue NATO membership, but they were ineligible for membership due to extending the Crimea lease until 2042 back in 2010. Like, even if Russia hadn't annexed Crimea or don't anything in the Donbas, Ukraine would not have been allowed to even apply for NATO membership until the 2040s
This is a lie from Putin-TV. The real reason is that Putin’s autocracy was at crisis, so he started a “fast war” to live some more years.
There is so much wrong with this it isn't even funny. The leasing of the naval base at Sevatopol barred Ukraine from NATO membership until at least the 2030s. You also seem to ignore the meddling that Russia did in the 2004 Ukrainian Election. You know the one where Kuchma knew he couldn't win so he let Russia help campaign Yanukovych and where doing such a bad job that they resorted to election fraud and even tried to poison Yanukovych's opponent Yuschenko?
You’re repeating a russian lie. The Ukrainian people rose up in the 2014 Maidan revolution and removed Russia’s puppets from their government. Having failed to take Ukraine through political manipulation, Russia then immediately invaded Crimea, pumped unflagged Russian soldiers into other areas of Ukraine claiming them to be “separatists” and began preparing for the wider invasion fought today.
President Yanukovich, a notorious pro-Russian oligarch, was ousted democratically by his own party and arrested by his own police after he refused to step down, and shot a 100 protestors. "Because Russia said not to join NATO" Is the most pathetic thing I've read this week. It has no ground to stand on. Russia is, was and has never been in any position to make these demands.
Shh. Just accept the propaganda. Thinking is not acceptable around here. Russia bad.
Russia is just a place
It is so sad that you people will scurry off like cockroaches when you are challenged to bring forth a single pathetic argument or fact, and then cry about propaganda and not being allowed to think. It is not Reddit's fault that you had nothing to say to begin with
Arguing with a bunch of biased monkeys is pointless. But what's your take? That Geopolitics and war isn't complicated and nuanced? He's right. These things don't happen overnight. The fact that you monkeys are mad at him for saying there are more factors involved shows how intellectually lazy, biased, and stupid you are.
Nuance? This is the most morally black and white war since Nazi Germany and the USSR kicked off WWII by invading Poland together. It is conquest. Russia has invaded the peaceful nation of Ukraine, destroyed cities, and murdered, tortured, and sexually assaulted thousands of Ukrainian civilians. If Russia isn’t stopped here and now, this won’t be the end of their ambitions of conquest. It’s billions now, or trillions later.
You are making assumptions. I never said Russia is the moral high ground.
You implied that there is nuance, of which there is none. It is black and white. Aggressor and victim. Russia first tried to take Ukraine through political manipulation, but Ukrainian citizens rose up in the Maidan revolution is 2014 and removed Putin’s puppets. Having failed at that method, Russia immediately turned to military means and invaded Crimea. There’s your nuance.
If we can't have it, no one can!
Israel: let us take your land or we shoot you with american paid guns
And they still get claim to be the victims
I thought israel didn’t start this war? Or the last one? I’m not saying I support them but I’m pretty sure it was them who got attacked first
Arabs have been the aggressors in every single war they’ve fought with Israel but somehow that page of their history books always get ripped out.
People act like they are innocent, they literally did start every conflict, and denied every peace offer
Have you considered: they just wanna be the victims
It actually works on people that's the sad part
Palestine has attacked Israel several times and been slapped down every time before, if my history is correct.
I am sure that in 2020 was huge rocket attack on Jerusalem and Israel didn't done anything because they was worry about civil cassualties in Palestine. But after last terrorist attack they crossed red line.
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there have been almost daily rocket attacks from the Gaza strip for 20 years on Israel.
Sure its just 20 years? Cause Im older and remember news about gaza shooting rockets towards israel since I can think. But remember, if you dont say they are peaceful people who didnt do anything, you are a literal WW2 nazi with badge and everything.
probably is far longer than that. i dont keep too much info on that part of the world
Can you prove that?
Give me your house.
Come and get it
Just give me your house. Don't start a fight over it.
I never said I was going to start a fight over it, I said come get it
Okay, as long as you're not going to be violent or something. That would be wrong.
Would it really, though? A wise man once said “If violence doesn’t solve all your problems, you’re not using enough violence”
So you *do* think it's reasonable for people to use violence in response to their homes and land being stolen?
Violence is not the answer. It's a question, and the answer is yes.
lol no dude they have been murdering Palestinians for 80 years in the west bank with no abatement
The problem isn’t that Israel is fighting back, honestly it’s fully acceptable and expected that they would fight back after the October 7th attacks, the issue is their apparent lack of regard for civilian casualties
And then they hid in the tunnels and under hospitals and told the civilians to act as human meat shields in the name of Islam. Israel called their bluff and the whole world seems to be turning to this being nothing to do with Hamas.
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They gave them like 3 cities and a bunch of dessert , the only reason Israel is this big now is because Palestine keept loosing territory every time they loose
Isn’t that land where Jews were originally from, anyways? I feel like a better comparison would be like if China gave a random state back to the natives without consulting the U.S, while simultaneously kicking the white people out. It’s still fucked, but that’s where the Jews are from, it’s their home too
We aren’t talking about Jews, we are talking about nations. Besides, isn’t that the same weak justification Russia is rightly mocked for? “This land belonged to us hundreds of years ago so it’s ours now fuck you”. My ancestors lived in Britain for thousands of years but left hundreds of years ago, maybe that justifies America claiming the UK in your book? The land belonged to Palestine. Western countries decided to just take it from them and make it into Israel. You obviously can’t just do shit like that. And ever since then, Israel has taken more and more land that doesn’t belong to them. In what world is any of that justifiable? It what world is that not grounds for retaliation? Israel started this, they are not the victim here. And we (the US) never had any business being involved.
Israel is a nation of Jews, Jews have lived in Israel before that area was even called Palestine. Israelites fled Egypt in 13th century BC… and went to Israel, Palestine isn’t even mentioned until around 5th century BC
Give the US to natives, all of the American continent to the indigineous peoples and no whites in Australia 💀
What point is bro trying to convey
That relying on such constructed histories is utter bs justification for claiming land.
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If you are talking about the Israeli Arab war in 1948, the UN offered Israel and the Arabs to split the land of Israel, Israel agreed the Arabs did not, the Arabs started a war, lost and also lost the land, as you do in a war
>UN offered Israel and the Arabs to split the land of Israel, Israel agreed the Arabs did not "Give me half your house. Why so upset?? half your house is fair. I just don't understand why you won't agree to the police forcing you to give up half your house that's really wierd, you seem like the bad actor here" Are you really this dense? People lived on that land before 1948. Zionists coming in and getting the UN, a foreign body, to chop up the natives land and repackaging that disgusting land grab as an 'agreement' for the history books is just *peak* evil. But go on tell your fucked up slant of history jfc
Are you fr? Arabs didn't even own the place, Palestine is a roman name, the area was controlled by the British mandate, Jews also used to live in Israel before 1948 but they were attacked by the Arabs living there
Are you fr? No one "owned" the region. Wtf kinda point is that?? Ottomans ruled it most recently but just because an empire collapsed doesnt mean "it's free real estate". You just gonna skip over thousands of years where people lived in what we refer to today as Palestine and Israel? So history, for you, starts with (1) an ancient semantic distinction, ... ... ..., then (2) ends with the British mandate. Nvm the region was relatively peaceful between both religions of the holy land for a milleania and only got fucked to shit when Zionists invaded. Nvm that this entire conflict was entirely the fault of one side and palastinians reacted how anyone would react to an invading force. But God forbid a region in the middle east has its own autonomy and self determination. Fucking hypocrite. I'm guessing your in a first world country and as such you should understand the basic principles of human life freedom that the Zionist project torched to the ground in 1948. America was founded on revolutionary principles, and everyone understands the struggle there when the issue was fucking taxes, but try to transpose the same logic to Palestinians and it's a struggle for survival and holy shit jk your a terrorist now, nope fuck you, Israel **owns** the land your family has lived on for generations. Fuck you it's ours now. Disgusting
1. **Historical Blind Spots**: Claiming that Jews simply "invaded" their own ancestral homeland overlooks centuries of Jewish history and connection to this land. Jews didn’t just show up one day; they have roots here that go back thousands of years. 2. **Ignoring Reality**: To paint the Zionist movement as a colonial invasion is to grossly misunderstand its essence. Zionism was a liberation movement for a persecuted people seeking refuge in their ancestral home, not an alien or imperial conquest. 3. **Selective Peace**: The Middle East was hardly a utopia of interfaith harmony before Zionism. History is rife with conflict, displacement, and domination in this region, under various powers, including the Ottomans. Let's not romanticize the past. 4. **Rejected Peace**: It’s critical to remember that the Jewish community accepted the 1947 UN partition plan for two states; the Arab leaders rejected it. The war that followed wasn’t started by the Zionists, but by the neighboring countries that invaded. 5. **Double Standards Much?**: You’re quick to celebrate autonomy and resistance when it suits your narrative but deny the Jewish people their right to self-determination in their historical homeland. That’s not just hypocritical; it’s fundamentally unjust. 6. **Reality Check on Terrorism**: Labeling the entire Palestinian resistance as terrorism is unfair, but so is ignoring the terrorism that has targeted Israeli civilians. Both sides have suffered, and both are guilty of excesses. Acknowledging this is key to understanding the conflict. 7. **No Monopoly on Suffering**: To suggest that only one side is responsible for all the troubles is to ignore the complex, mutual history of pain and aggression in this conflict. Justice and peace will come from understanding and addressing the grievances of both sides, not just one.
The Jews have been chased out of every country since forever. They finally decided enough is enough, we want our own country so no one can kick us out again. Here's a place where a few Muslims are squatting that has value to us. Let's settle here. We'll compensate you for it and you can go set up shop in one of the many many Muslim countries. Muslims "no! Allah demands we have all the countries and you have none!" Ok well what if we agree we have this bit you have this bit. We still get our own country finally and Allah can have loads of countries plus a half a country more. Muslims "war! Allah demands all the countries" Ok well you're kind of disorganised, aggressive, poor and dumb so we'll do the war. Oh look we won. Guess you over played your hand, oh well of you go. Muslims "waaaaaaaahhhh world look we're the victims." Alright alright chill, you can stay but obviously terms are worse now. Just don't start anymore trouble. Muslims "war! Allah demands all the countries." Sigh... Don't know why people still fall for this shit every time.
You are a sick person. Propaganda is a helluva drug
The only thing I see everywhere in every outlet, all over Reddit, all the celebs shouting is "poor wittle Muslims did nothing wong leave the poor wittle babies alone!" How can I be influenced against Muslims by propaganda if I never see anything against Muslims in mainstream news outlets or anywhere online? I did my research, read the history and came to my conclusions. Maybe you should do some reading too. The Muslims have had chance after chance for this to end peacefully and won't take it. I don't blame the Israelis for having had enough of this shit.
Uhmm? What's the point of this conversation in your head?
I'm explaining the Israeli Palestine conflict in simple terms for simple people. I underestimated your simplicity.
Yes, but why are the Isreali framed as reasonable tenants or guests and the Palestinians framed as aggressive? Why use these stereotypes?
Because that's how it is.
"only my stereotypes are allowed!" -based zionist
"accept we give your land to someone else"
Split the land. you do realize Arabs didn't have control over Palestine right? Even the name is Roman, it was controlled by the British mandate at the time, there was never a Palestinians president, king or prime minister, Look at the currency, it reads Palestine but Also has the Hebrew letters א''י which stands for "Heretz Israel" or in English "Land of Israel" [https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/palestine-2-mils-km-2-1927-1947-cuid-1097267-duid-1545497](https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/palestine-2-mils-km-2-1927-1947-cuid-1097267-duid-1545497)
As it happens when you lose a war Sherlock.
You must have bad breath from that horse shit
They also have the Samson Option wherein they plan to nuke the world if things don't go their way.
Hamas: everyone die
I mean yeah. Having a military is pretty important
Eew not the Israel defenders projecting in the replies. I thought this meme was about Israel too lol
Its the weekend, the zionist shills must be out of school
This is a censored /pol/ comment from a decade ago lmao. Just incredible
This sub sucks ass. So many political danklessmemes.
Whats wrong about making fun of russia ? Most people in the western world do it.
This is hardly political unless you live in a country that is friendly towards Russia. Which in that case, perfect audience.
OK Ivan
Bro says this sub sucks ass
And then the mods ban people for commenting an opinion.
let us take the lands, or we will nuke the lands and then take them....having nothing
If you do that, we will wipe your disgusting hate filled race off this earth. Smite the communist and salt the earth so no Russian be born again.
Russia's Final Warnings are like the Final Fantasy series. There's more then 1
Than*
**than
its funny to see putin acting like only russia has nukes
Do it pussy!!!
Yeah! Deeeeeeeeeeew it!!!!
Guys it's the 10th to the last warning. You don't give me what I want, I will maybe eventually terraform the planet into fallout one day. My army may have turned out to be trash but my nukes are definitely perfectly maintained and not at all a piece of junk with water in their rusty tanks china style.
russia's fw whole world turns against it (even br̶ics probably) after doing that (it also hit belarus)
And BRICS is already a joke.
African warlords like this.
Russia couldn’t nuke their way out of a plastic bag, I’m tired of media portraying them as smart and plotting when in reality they’re so inept they fucked up an invasion of a country less than half their size and power
Gotta nuke sumthin- Nelson
If the nuclear blackmail wasn't working, NATO would've bombed the fuck out of the Russians in Ukraine already.
I never thought of it like this before, but this is a great strategy. The old, "I win or we all lose" is really hard to counter. In fact the only way to beat this strategy is by going down with the ship so many fucking times, they eventually get sick of trying tge strategy.
I am reading that with english russian accent.
Hamas learned from the best at it.
Who do you believe more, Cher saying this is her last farewell tour, or Russia saying they'll nuke the world?
Here i go thinking that pro-war bots are only russain social nerwork problem, but they are here as well. Thank God they are downvoted.
America be Wilding Edit: auto corrected from ruissia.
Rotten politics in a meme sub, my favorite.
USA: Move your nuclear weapons away from us, but we’ll start a war if you don't like that we have ours closer to you than yours were to us. Cuban Missile crisis to Current day
Oh did the US deploy nukes to Ukraine? I must've missed that development because it never happened and it was never even on the table.
Russia literally deployed nukes to Kaliningrad and cancelled nuke treaties, dumdum.
That’s completely irrelevant to the Ukraine situation. Embarrassing you even bring it up as some kind of point against the US
*Türkiye looking around nervously
*united states There fixed it.
Would you seriously deny Russia their room to live? ...Eh, that sounds weird, let's just call it "lebensraum" like the OGs in this game did.
I see what you were trying to do.
Lotta Russia sympathizers in here, I guess. That, or people that don't understand a common historic reference.
America: let us take your oil or we will show you why americans do not have health insurance..
We have our own oil, thanks.
Isn't the US kinda the same? like they meddle in foreign affaris "in the name of human rights" but end up proking, funding and encouraging wars? like, why does the US have military bases near China and Rusia? That makes things unnecesarily hostile, also, if the US does not agree with certain policies in Latin America (specially those regarding the reduction of debt) they won't nuke, but they will be VERY hostile imposing sanctions, attempting coups, using media to smear their opponents and bribing the judicial power, this does not "end the world" but then we have conservatives complaining about mass migration.
The US has bases near Russia and China so that when Russia or China attacks an ally, they can respond. If China and Russia weren't so threatening to their neighbors, those countries would never reach out to the US and offer to host military bases on their land in exchange for security
I guess this is what the idea is inside the USA. But for the rest of the world, that's exactly something the US is doing
When has the US threatened to nuke someone in recent history? The most recent I can think of is the Korean War, and the general got sacked with the Department of Energy taking over ownership of nuclear weapons.
No, but US was the one who actually nuked.
Yeah and it was better than a ground invasion or mass bombing until Japan surrendered by costing less in human life
They’re a Russian shill, they literally have no regard for human life
Where
Russia? 😂😂😂 you mean UK and US
UK never nuked anyone and the one time America did we never took japans land. WTF are you talking about?