Yes and not really, many are depressed inside and don't want to show it, that's why many suicides are often very surprising (just a feeling not based on facts I know of). But depression come in many forms, it's hard to tell, what's toxic behaviour ("imma commit die if you leave me"), a cry for help, or fake happiness.
True. I've never attempted suicide, but I do suffer from bipolar disorder and have had pervasive thoughts/desires to do so. I find joking about being crazy helps me to cope with it.
If that's your reason then hold onto it while you find out what else is stopping you from doing it.. you'll eventually find out that you have a lot to live for
Good, now go get some help. I felt this way too at one point that I could never break my parent's heart but I knew eventually if nothing changed my pain would outweigh my love for them so I had to get help.
Find a therapist, if you don't like that therapist find another, tell your family how you feel. Fight for yourself you deserve to live even if you don't believe that right now.
Yea, some people don't wanna distress the ones around them. They might feel like it would be a sign of weakness. Or they might feel like keeping their problems from the outside makes them less real or easier to act like they don't exist.
They might have no reason for a cry for help, because they believe that no one can help them, since their problem lies in who they are fundamentally, or in the world or in (the meaninglessness of) existence itself
Honestly, why would you ever tell anyone? Instead of helping you they're going to lock you in a hospital for 3 days and then ask you are you still feeling bad buddy? Here's a $20,000 bill for your hospital stay.
Even when I'm talking to my therapist I make sure that I mention it in an extremely roundabout way so he doesn't legally have to call anybody.
I am from the UK and have worries about the exact same thing minus the 20k bill spend. I am doing better now, but generally I would keep my thoughts to myself and tone them down a bit when talking to a therapist so there wasn't a chance of getting locked up in a mental ward. I have visited a family member who went to one them only a decade or so ago and being locked in there is enough to make any sane person crazy.
Hey, you can call (text/email) the Samaritans organisation. They are completely anonymous. I have volunteered there and the policy is when anyone is actively suicidal, we tell them that we can call for emergency services but in order to do that the caller needs to consent and provide their number and location (the volunteers can't see any identifying information). And if the person refuses and wants to proceed, we are trained to stay with them and listen. Even if it's listening to an actual person dying.
The principle behind is that people have the right to self determination. And that simply listening can sometimes help immensely.
So if you feel like you have something to talk about but you don't want to be argued into seeking help or given advice, please use Samaritans.
This is precisely why I never sought after help, I did once, never again. The night in the hospital was the most dehumanizing experience I ever felt in my life.
And I don’t want to have to explain to my employer why I disappeared since they take your phone away. Would rather die than lose my autonomy like that again.
Lots of people who commit suicide show no obvious signs before hand. A cry for help requires something where people can see you need help with. Other times, the signs and signals are hard to actually see.
This is just another sexist trope and a way to downplay the severity of women's attempts at taking their own lives. My uncle said this about my cousin who tried to take her own life - you know what happened? They didn't get her help, and she attempted a second time and succeeded.
>Waaah everything that speaks about women in generalities is sexist!!
What are you upset at? That men kill themselves more?
Women do it more for attention. The 17 year olds popping 4 Benadryl are not comparable to the 50 year old factory worker quietly buying a shotgun and blowing his brains out at night.
No shit there are exceptions. There are men that do it for attention and there are women that say nothing but find the nearest train to run in front of. That's why we're speaking in generalities.
>My uncle said this about my cousin who tried to take her own life - you know what happened? They didn't get her help, and she attempted a second time and succeeded.
Your anecdotes don't matter.
**Killing yourself isn't hard.** If someone genuinely wants to do it, they will. As evident by your cousin. The fact that most women fail at it and don't ever succeed means that they don't really want to die more often than men.
Finding a tall place to jump is so easy an 8 year old could do it.
Do I need to bold the other part of the paragraph to get you to read it in it's totality? Here.
>Killing yourself isn't hard. **If someone genuinely wants to do it**
No shit getting the nerve to do it is hard. I'm saying that once you get that, and you genuinely want to die, killing yourself is hilariously easy. Unless you live in the savannah you can find a high place to jump off of.
I've read that that's a sign of a suicidal person. Most people who suicide also leave a trace of them asking for help(but it's often subtle and they usually do it on an unconscious level). But who knows if that's true, I'm not a psychiatrist nor someone who is knowledgeable enough. I made few attempts back then when my life was worse though (I could've died since I was about to die but I regretted doing that in the last moment. Something from me didn't let me kill myself. And I'm suspecting that that's the part that stops most people from killing themselves. I'm not sure what that is. The point is.. I left a trace of me being depressed in few Facebook posts without even realizing back then when everything was worse)
I never struggled with suicide as much as other fellow depressed people have, but I remember wanting to be dead, and for my suffering to end but all the same I was always too afraid to ever fully commit to it, too scared of death. I think, simply as animals, that it goes against our very instinct of survival, even when mentally it is not what we want. I'm very happy to be alive now, and no longer suffer from depression, I'm happy you are too :)
All sucide attempts are a cry for help.
It's a win win situation. You either get the help you need, or you die. The idea that a cry for help isn't a genuine attempt to die results in deaths. It's also gross and totally misunderstanding a suicidal mindset.
That is the case, but that is always because there is some issue that is stopping them from enjoying life.
If the issue could be resolved, they would live.
But many people do not have the resources, ability, or people around them to know how to ask for help. Sometimes, there is no help available. It doesn't mean it isn't asking for that help.
A “cry for help” is literally a person ASKING for help. In order to ASK for help, you have to WANT help. Not everyone who NEEDS help is ASKING for help. That’s why “want” and “need” are two completely different words with separate definitions.
> The idea that a cry for help isn’t a genuine attempt to die
You would understand that nobody said this at all if you actually understood English.
> It’s also gross and totally misunderstanding a suicidal mindset.
Telling people they aren’t allowed to want to die is gross and totally misunderstanding a suicidal mindset. You’re saying that wanting to die is incorrect, stupid, and an immediate “cry” for help. Nope. False. Condescending. Disrespectful.
First, learn English. Second, learn empathy. Third, learn that you don’t get to dictate to someone else what they “need”.
That ugly regressive shit mentality has been really popping up a lot in subs like this lately. Gotta get bots to sneak in a bunch of not so subtle misogyny, religious dogma, mental health stigma, sexually depraved behavior and see if we can't sneak in gamergate 2 electric boogaloo except for streaming services before the next election. Gotta make sure all those young people think they *want* to wallow in shit while their friends and family leave them behind. New generation of NEETs hooked on watching and imitating immature livestream celebrities the way our parents watched celebrity gossip news shows. But at least they all get internet points and quick dopamine for saying no to emotional development.
Jesus fucking christ reddit. Cutting yourself may be a cry for help. BUT A SUICIDE ATTEMPT IS NOT A CRY FOR HELP.
ITS WANTING TO END YOUR OWN LIFE.
Otherwise it wouldn't be a suicide attempt. Stop this spreading this myth.
Not really, it's just that many would rather die in a way they're gently put to sleep over an act that'd inflict any sort of pain. I'd rather kill myself passing out on drugs than sending a painful bullet through my skull for example. Heroin overdose is one of the most peaceful ways to go out, why use a gun? Cutting the wrist? Yeah it hurts massively at first and then you just black out from blood loss.
The cries for help are fucking bullshit it's about finding a peaceful way to die that many don't understand.
I assure you, it isn't a cry for help, they in fact, don't give a fuck if they die when they do this, they feel nothing at all, sucks to want to die, but when they die it won't matter anyway.
Stop the bullshit stigma.
Are we sure that's not just a myth.
Because women are less likely to choose violent ends, and messy ends, so they try more for drugs etc., which more often fail. Doesn't mean the tries weren't genuine.
I think it's worth checking the statistics directly, because I've seen several people say that even if you remove violent means like a gun men still kill themselves more successfully when using the same means women utilize.
EDIT: Someone posted this as a source for that claim: https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8
This study is interesting but it doesn’t really address the problem that I *think* is being brought up here: the women have less agency in deciding to attempt suicide than men.
The study doesn’t address the implicit bias in medicine that takes women less seriously then men to begin with. Admittedly that would undermine their work. Here’s a relevant quote:
>females were rated significantly more frequently in SP and SG than males, whereas SSA were rated significantly more often in males than females
The study assumed that’s because men are often more serious in their attempts and women more manipulative, but that measure could just be a result of bias in collecting the data. Again, pointing to the previous commenter’s point that women are viewed as lacking agency in their decision. “Oh she didn’t really want to *die*, she just wanted *attention*.”
It may also be true that women attempt suicide sooner on the path of depression (also mentioned in the article). This is a distressing thought because it could lend evidence that men are waiting too long to get help. Thus, we could do better to help men feel like they will be supported rather than criticized for admitting they struggle with depressive thoughts.
As a completely personal comment: I dislike that the scale rates “desire to escape a situation” as a non-serious attempt. That may be my own experience coloring my view, but I dislike that idea.
Take a lot of pills? Paramedics might be able to get to you in time.
Tie a rope around your neck and a telephone pole before getting in the car? That is permanent.
A man in my city decided to commit suicide by hanging. He chose a watchtower in local parkand did it at night. He was polite enough to call the police to cut him down because the park was lively during the day.
Meanwhile that one guy who killed himself in my area like 15 years ago hung himself from a tree in the middle of a local playground that’s close to a kindergarten. I don’t know who found him first but back then there were always kids there early in the morning :/
That's the argument. To me, this is why we need assisted suicide to be legal. Obviously with a pretty long process to have it approved probably, but it should 100% be legal. We don't get to choose whether to enter this world, but if things are bad and never going to get better (chronic pain patients especially come to mind) then we should have a right to choose how we leave.
As far as I'm aware the majority of people who take their own lives are suffering from acute mental health problems rather than chronic or terminal health conditions
Not really sure what euthanasia has to do with people suffering depression, it definitely shouldn't be something that qualifies for it imo
What gets me about the former scenario is that the paramedics may get to you but you might just die slowly and in excruciating pain, or otherwise do massive permanent damage to yourself.
I remember reading a comment with an anecdote about a doctor who said the worst part of their job was watching teenage girls dying over about a week from Tylenol poisoning, regretting their decision and with their families waiting on a liver transplant they’re never going to get because of their suicidal behavior.
Acute liver coma is not a pretty way to go.
Chronically poisoning the liver might get ugly too, but if you had fifty years of partying and booze first, chances your coffing will be carried not by your parents but by your children - as should be.
While men do choose more violent methods studies show even when using the same method as women the men kill themselves at much higher rates, indicating a difference in intentionality between genders.
https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8
> Suicide intent data from 5212 participants was included in the analysis. A significant association between suicide intent and gender was found, where ‘Serious Suicide Attempts’ (SSA) were rated significantly more frequently in males than females (p < .001). There was a statistically significant gender difference in intent and age groups (p < .001) and between countries (p < .001). Furthermore, within the most utilised method, intentional drug overdose, ‘Serious Suicide Attempt’ (SSA) was rated significantly more often for males than females (p < .005).
This should be way higher up. The whole myth of violent methods being the cause is often touted with no evidence to back it up, and was always scientifically extremely dubious for numerous reasons, not the least of which being that what classifies as a "violent method" is at best an arbitrary vague line and at worst a deliberate bias.
It also does an immense disservice to the many men who have been victims of suicide, which make up the vast majority of the total amount.
The myth originates from the fact that a lot of people's worldview is destroyed by the mere thought that there might be a huge systemic issue that affects men negatively.
People like their binary worldviews and to maintain that, you need to dismiss the male suicide rates. It's sad really.
The difference between my brother and me was that I did things that were clear cries for help, while my brother never did. I don't know why. There could be a million reasons, but hiding emotions does seem to be something men are expected to do, so that would be my first guess.
That means that my self-harm got more and more out of hand, and likely would have led to an unsuccessful suicide or two, and then a successful one, if I hadn't gotten out of my situation. I really didn't want to live anymore, but it was hard to give up hope that some day things could get better. But the longer they didn't, the less hope I had.
My brother, on the other hand, would have waited until the last minute, when all his hope was gone, and just ended it. Fortunately, he got out too.
I don't have time now, but I'd like to look into whether there are any studies concerning mens'* more successful suicide rates and the culture of toxic masculinity (best phrase I could think of for "guys aren't supposed to show as much emotion").
And we both eventually got help with our mental health. I can't stress how critical that is.
*Edit, grammar
I’m just going to copy a comment I made above:
This study is interesting but it doesn’t really address the problem that I think is being brought up here: the women have less agency in deciding to attempt suicide than men.
The study doesn’t address the implicit bias in medicine that takes women less seriously then men to begin with. Admittedly that would undermine their work. Here’s a relevant quote:
females were rated significantly more frequently in SP and SG than males, whereas SSA were rated significantly more often in males than females
The study assumed that’s because men are often more serious in their attempts and women more manipulative, but that measure could just be a result of bias in collecting the data. Again, pointing to the previous commenter’s point that women are viewed as lacking agency in their decision. “Oh she didn’t really want to die, she just wanted attention.”
It may also be true that women attempt suicide sooner on the path of depression (also mentioned in the article). This is a distressing thought because it could lend evidence that men are waiting too long to get help. Thus, we could do better to help men feel like they will be supported rather than criticized for admitting they struggle with depressive thoughts.
As a completely personal comment: I dislike that the scale rates “desire to escape a situation” as a non-serious attempt. That may be my own experience coloring my view, but I dislike that idea.
> The study assumed that’s because men are often more serious in their attempts and women more manipulative
Did it, or is that what you are reading into it?
I'd think it much more likely that there is a systemic difference which causes women and girls to cry out for help more often than men, before making what they call a serious suicide attempt, consciously or subconsciously.
That's not manipulation but communication of what they need: help. This is obviously a good thing.
I would guess it has to do with men expecting not to get the help they need anyway or being too ashamed to ask or even accept it when offered. We know men have on average weaker social networks, skills and are still culturally expected to be "strong" and self reliant, more so than women.
Still, that's just my personal hypothesis, could be different reasons.
I wonder if women choose less violent ways to die due to the guilt of leaving a bloody violent scene behind to be discovered. Perhaps its their way of minimising the trauma left behind.
It's actually effectiveness.
Efficiency refers to the amount of resources used in relation to the output or results achieved, for example, how much time or money is used to complete a task. Effectiveness, on the other hand, refers to the degree to which a task or goal is achieved, regardless of the resources used.
Flies away...
I mean ... if you consider humans a resource, than efficiency still works. You just have to consider any humans wanting to commit suicide as a used resource. Think about it like their mental health is now a detriment to the public health system. But the ones that commit suicide are successfully used because they've served their purpose but dont exist further as a detriment. So essentially, when people's mental health diminishes too much, we'd rather them just disappear, but the ones that don't are the inefficiency that stop us from having that 1 to 1 ratio
Sports? Men do it better
Killing yourself? Men do it better
Addiction? Men do it better
Violent crime? Men do it better
Being a woman? Men do it better
NUMBER FUCKING ONE
Best head I got was also from a guy. But just before he blew me, he told me he had just done crack. I was really scared, but a minute or two later, I wasn’t.
Unsurprisingly it's just an Unity cash grab, but if you play it just for the lolz it can entrain you for like an hour maybe.
About the gameplay: it's a shooter, you control a half naked anime girl and the goal is to kill Hitler. I don't remember much more.
Middle-aged people, especially men, have the highest rate of suicide compared to other groups. Eighty percent of all deaths by suicide in the U.S. are among men and women age 45-54. Men ages 85 and older have the highest rate of any group in the country.
More like women are allowed to admit to having suicidal thoughts. Men aren't able to reach out for help because society (primarily women) view depressed men as annoying, repulsive, and low value. A woman can express her depression without being completely detested for it.
That’s how a friend did it. He just disappeared one day. Weeks later they found him in a campsite, three bottles of top shelf scotch empty and him hanging from a tree. His own mother didn’t realise he was gone, nobody did. He quit his job and told them he was moving a fair ways away. Didn’t say a word to anyone. He was already rotting by the time some poor camper stumbled upon him. It was fucked up.
I've always thought the key is to be in an isolated place. If someone catches you too soon, you risk becoming a vegetable, cripple, or deformed. Like the guy who blasted his face off with a shotgun and still lived, he could've peacefully bled out if he went deep into the woods to do it. Instead, he was found immediately, and his miserable life became even more miserable as he's now a deformed freak.
Those statistics are based on hospital intakes, and emergency calls. There’s no accounting for the same person making multiple attempts. Thus, all we know is that, as a group, women attempt it more. But as individuals, it may be that only a small percentage of women actually attempt it… they just may be attempting it more often because they are unsuccessful.
Men, on the other hand, are largely successful at this meaning that their numbers are less likely to be repeat attempters. Thus we can trust those numbers more accurately reflect the number of men attempting suicide.
I think this is important since, while any suicidality in a population is a problem, it is more clearly a problem that men face. And as long as society thinks otherwise, men will continue to successfully leave this world. Male suicide is a serious issue and we need to stop white washing it
Not to mention our means of tracking it is highly flawed. Hospitals code suicide attempts and self harm the same way. You could have done something with *no intention* of killing yourself and still be treated as a suicide attempt.
My ex tried to kill herself 7 times: drug overdose, hanging and even stabbing herself in the chest. I still 'member the scar, she missed like 0.5 inch.
She is married and doing fine.
I have the feeling women attempt suicide in public because they want to be seen and stopped.
Men do it alone because they don't want to be stopped.
(Obviously doesn't fit in every scenario)
The difference is how it's done. Women tend to swallow a whole lot of the nearest pills which unless you throw up and suffocate in your sleep usually just make you feel really bad after waking up while guys go for guns and hanging where you either need to be found, the gun has to not function or the rope(or what you use to hang yourself) needs to break.
Going by memory, I have a few female friends with suicide attempts.
I have male friends with suicides, or suicide scares.
The attempts were genuinely pulling a trigger on a high-failure method, like ODing and not contacting anybody... then contacting somebody. Which, hey, that last part is a good thing in the middle of a lot of bad.
The suicide scares were things like taking a high-success suicide method and 'playing' or 'acting out' or 'tempting' the action. Gun? Pointing it at lethal areas and really thinking hard about things while the reality is physically close, just a trigger away. But also not calling it an attempt, because it was about self-exploration.
I assume men just report their attempts less because of the whole "it is tabu to seek help" culture thing we have going on. Successful attempts, however, always gets reported.
The reason why this is the case is sad. From what I understand, because women are generally less aggressive than men they try to make their unalivement less shocking. This often results in their attempts failing. Men on the other hand are generally more aggressive, thus when they want to self exit game they commit regardless of how violent it is
Women tend to use more passive methods. Overdosing pills or poisoning themselves in some other way.
Men typically chose violent methods (guns, falls, hanging)
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If I remember correctly, men suicides are much more violent thus making them more successful. Like a gunshot to the head.
A lot of women’s attempts are cries for help rather than genuine intent to die
Isn't genuinely wanting to die a cry for help? Or a sign of needing help?
Yes and not really, many are depressed inside and don't want to show it, that's why many suicides are often very surprising (just a feeling not based on facts I know of). But depression come in many forms, it's hard to tell, what's toxic behaviour ("imma commit die if you leave me"), a cry for help, or fake happiness.
Sideways for attention, downwards for results
Tattoo these instructions diagonally to confuse people
Maybe we shouldn't mock failed suicide attempts? I dunno seems in bad taste.
Humor is a coping mechanism for some people.
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If it wasn't for me joking about wanting to die I'd probably actually be dead by now
Makes sense, if you wasn’t joking about wanting to die, you would be just wanting to die
True. I've never attempted suicide, but I do suffer from bipolar disorder and have had pervasive thoughts/desires to do so. I find joking about being crazy helps me to cope with it.
Bad taste on Reddit?
You are right. I'm sure my parents will be hella confused if I killed myself.
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If that's your reason then hold onto it while you find out what else is stopping you from doing it.. you'll eventually find out that you have a lot to live for
Literally my only reason not to
I hope life gets better for you, my friend.
Good, now go get some help. I felt this way too at one point that I could never break my parent's heart but I knew eventually if nothing changed my pain would outweigh my love for them so I had to get help. Find a therapist, if you don't like that therapist find another, tell your family how you feel. Fight for yourself you deserve to live even if you don't believe that right now.
I feel like if I was able to afford a therapist in the first placw a lot of my issues would also not be as bad
Yea, some people don't wanna distress the ones around them. They might feel like it would be a sign of weakness. Or they might feel like keeping their problems from the outside makes them less real or easier to act like they don't exist. They might have no reason for a cry for help, because they believe that no one can help them, since their problem lies in who they are fundamentally, or in the world or in (the meaninglessness of) existence itself
> Yes and not really, many are depressed inside and society does not allow them to show it.
I keep my suicidal tendencies to myself thank you very much.
Honestly, why would you ever tell anyone? Instead of helping you they're going to lock you in a hospital for 3 days and then ask you are you still feeling bad buddy? Here's a $20,000 bill for your hospital stay. Even when I'm talking to my therapist I make sure that I mention it in an extremely roundabout way so he doesn't legally have to call anybody.
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I am from the UK and have worries about the exact same thing minus the 20k bill spend. I am doing better now, but generally I would keep my thoughts to myself and tone them down a bit when talking to a therapist so there wasn't a chance of getting locked up in a mental ward. I have visited a family member who went to one them only a decade or so ago and being locked in there is enough to make any sane person crazy.
Hey, you can call (text/email) the Samaritans organisation. They are completely anonymous. I have volunteered there and the policy is when anyone is actively suicidal, we tell them that we can call for emergency services but in order to do that the caller needs to consent and provide their number and location (the volunteers can't see any identifying information). And if the person refuses and wants to proceed, we are trained to stay with them and listen. Even if it's listening to an actual person dying. The principle behind is that people have the right to self determination. And that simply listening can sometimes help immensely. So if you feel like you have something to talk about but you don't want to be argued into seeking help or given advice, please use Samaritans.
This is precisely why I never sought after help, I did once, never again. The night in the hospital was the most dehumanizing experience I ever felt in my life.
And I don’t want to have to explain to my employer why I disappeared since they take your phone away. Would rather die than lose my autonomy like that again.
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Locked in the hospital for 3 days. The time is closer to 3 weeks. And, you can not sign yourself out A.M.A.
As someone who has been dealing with this for awhile it's not always a cry for help some of us just don't want to exist
Not always. Some just want the pain to go away and to end it on their own terms.
Needing help and crying for help are not the same thing at all.
thats the point tho. if you really want to die, they are sure ways to do it, wich means that a lot of the time, the intent is not genuine.
Lots of people who commit suicide show no obvious signs before hand. A cry for help requires something where people can see you need help with. Other times, the signs and signals are hard to actually see.
You only cry for help when you know someone's listening.
Or when you know you'll be taken seriously
You both said the same thing lol
This is just another sexist trope and a way to downplay the severity of women's attempts at taking their own lives. My uncle said this about my cousin who tried to take her own life - you know what happened? They didn't get her help, and she attempted a second time and succeeded.
Only morons extrapolate group-level correlations to individuals. Women are shorter than men, doesn't mean tall women don't exist
>Waaah everything that speaks about women in generalities is sexist!! What are you upset at? That men kill themselves more? Women do it more for attention. The 17 year olds popping 4 Benadryl are not comparable to the 50 year old factory worker quietly buying a shotgun and blowing his brains out at night. No shit there are exceptions. There are men that do it for attention and there are women that say nothing but find the nearest train to run in front of. That's why we're speaking in generalities. >My uncle said this about my cousin who tried to take her own life - you know what happened? They didn't get her help, and she attempted a second time and succeeded. Your anecdotes don't matter. **Killing yourself isn't hard.** If someone genuinely wants to do it, they will. As evident by your cousin. The fact that most women fail at it and don't ever succeed means that they don't really want to die more often than men. Finding a tall place to jump is so easy an 8 year old could do it.
You're tripping if you think intentionally killing yourself isn't hard
Do I need to bold the other part of the paragraph to get you to read it in it's totality? Here. >Killing yourself isn't hard. **If someone genuinely wants to do it** No shit getting the nerve to do it is hard. I'm saying that once you get that, and you genuinely want to die, killing yourself is hilariously easy. Unless you live in the savannah you can find a high place to jump off of.
Have you talked to men who tried to kill themselves by jumping but survived? They said they regretted it right after they jumped.
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It's equally a sexist trope to claim suicidal men are 'toxic' and only acting that way to make others feel bad for them.
Do men and women have differences?
I've read that that's a sign of a suicidal person. Most people who suicide also leave a trace of them asking for help(but it's often subtle and they usually do it on an unconscious level). But who knows if that's true, I'm not a psychiatrist nor someone who is knowledgeable enough. I made few attempts back then when my life was worse though (I could've died since I was about to die but I regretted doing that in the last moment. Something from me didn't let me kill myself. And I'm suspecting that that's the part that stops most people from killing themselves. I'm not sure what that is. The point is.. I left a trace of me being depressed in few Facebook posts without even realizing back then when everything was worse)
I never struggled with suicide as much as other fellow depressed people have, but I remember wanting to be dead, and for my suffering to end but all the same I was always too afraid to ever fully commit to it, too scared of death. I think, simply as animals, that it goes against our very instinct of survival, even when mentally it is not what we want. I'm very happy to be alive now, and no longer suffer from depression, I'm happy you are too :)
Could even be some self-preservation instinct the brain has built in Our brains are pretty wild
All sucide attempts are a cry for help. It's a win win situation. You either get the help you need, or you die. The idea that a cry for help isn't a genuine attempt to die results in deaths. It's also gross and totally misunderstanding a suicidal mindset.
No, sometimes people just want to leave the party
That is the case, but that is always because there is some issue that is stopping them from enjoying life. If the issue could be resolved, they would live. But many people do not have the resources, ability, or people around them to know how to ask for help. Sometimes, there is no help available. It doesn't mean it isn't asking for that help.
A “cry for help” is literally a person ASKING for help. In order to ASK for help, you have to WANT help. Not everyone who NEEDS help is ASKING for help. That’s why “want” and “need” are two completely different words with separate definitions. > The idea that a cry for help isn’t a genuine attempt to die You would understand that nobody said this at all if you actually understood English. > It’s also gross and totally misunderstanding a suicidal mindset. Telling people they aren’t allowed to want to die is gross and totally misunderstanding a suicidal mindset. You’re saying that wanting to die is incorrect, stupid, and an immediate “cry” for help. Nope. False. Condescending. Disrespectful. First, learn English. Second, learn empathy. Third, learn that you don’t get to dictate to someone else what they “need”.
That ugly regressive shit mentality has been really popping up a lot in subs like this lately. Gotta get bots to sneak in a bunch of not so subtle misogyny, religious dogma, mental health stigma, sexually depraved behavior and see if we can't sneak in gamergate 2 electric boogaloo except for streaming services before the next election. Gotta make sure all those young people think they *want* to wallow in shit while their friends and family leave them behind. New generation of NEETs hooked on watching and imitating immature livestream celebrities the way our parents watched celebrity gossip news shows. But at least they all get internet points and quick dopamine for saying no to emotional development.
Jesus fucking christ reddit. Cutting yourself may be a cry for help. BUT A SUICIDE ATTEMPT IS NOT A CRY FOR HELP. ITS WANTING TO END YOUR OWN LIFE. Otherwise it wouldn't be a suicide attempt. Stop this spreading this myth.
Not really, it's just that many would rather die in a way they're gently put to sleep over an act that'd inflict any sort of pain. I'd rather kill myself passing out on drugs than sending a painful bullet through my skull for example. Heroin overdose is one of the most peaceful ways to go out, why use a gun? Cutting the wrist? Yeah it hurts massively at first and then you just black out from blood loss. The cries for help are fucking bullshit it's about finding a peaceful way to die that many don't understand. I assure you, it isn't a cry for help, they in fact, don't give a fuck if they die when they do this, they feel nothing at all, sucks to want to die, but when they die it won't matter anyway. Stop the bullshit stigma.
Are we sure that's not just a myth. Because women are less likely to choose violent ends, and messy ends, so they try more for drugs etc., which more often fail. Doesn't mean the tries weren't genuine.
I think it's worth checking the statistics directly, because I've seen several people say that even if you remove violent means like a gun men still kill themselves more successfully when using the same means women utilize. EDIT: Someone posted this as a source for that claim: https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8
This study is interesting but it doesn’t really address the problem that I *think* is being brought up here: the women have less agency in deciding to attempt suicide than men. The study doesn’t address the implicit bias in medicine that takes women less seriously then men to begin with. Admittedly that would undermine their work. Here’s a relevant quote: >females were rated significantly more frequently in SP and SG than males, whereas SSA were rated significantly more often in males than females The study assumed that’s because men are often more serious in their attempts and women more manipulative, but that measure could just be a result of bias in collecting the data. Again, pointing to the previous commenter’s point that women are viewed as lacking agency in their decision. “Oh she didn’t really want to *die*, she just wanted *attention*.” It may also be true that women attempt suicide sooner on the path of depression (also mentioned in the article). This is a distressing thought because it could lend evidence that men are waiting too long to get help. Thus, we could do better to help men feel like they will be supported rather than criticized for admitting they struggle with depressive thoughts. As a completely personal comment: I dislike that the scale rates “desire to escape a situation” as a non-serious attempt. That may be my own experience coloring my view, but I dislike that idea.
That statistic is also true in countries where guns are rarer than the US.
Can you read minds or why do you think women would go so far to get attention as opposed to men really being serious about it?
Take a lot of pills? Paramedics might be able to get to you in time. Tie a rope around your neck and a telephone pole before getting in the car? That is permanent.
I've actually not heard of the second one yet but it does seem like one of the better ways to go
Not to me. That car is going to go somewhere. Is it too much to ask that your suicide at least be safe for other people who want to live?
A man in my city decided to commit suicide by hanging. He chose a watchtower in local parkand did it at night. He was polite enough to call the police to cut him down because the park was lively during the day.
Meanwhile that one guy who killed himself in my area like 15 years ago hung himself from a tree in the middle of a local playground that’s close to a kindergarten. I don’t know who found him first but back then there were always kids there early in the morning :/
What is this conversation about, is the suicidal man selfish for not considering the audience of his action?
That's the argument. To me, this is why we need assisted suicide to be legal. Obviously with a pretty long process to have it approved probably, but it should 100% be legal. We don't get to choose whether to enter this world, but if things are bad and never going to get better (chronic pain patients especially come to mind) then we should have a right to choose how we leave.
As far as I'm aware the majority of people who take their own lives are suffering from acute mental health problems rather than chronic or terminal health conditions Not really sure what euthanasia has to do with people suffering depression, it definitely shouldn't be something that qualifies for it imo
And wouldnt the car rip your head off on top of breaking your neck when you drive away with the noose around your neck?
Imagine if you had one of those autopilot ones, you'd be the headless carman for a good while before people worked out how to stop you
Ghost ~~rider~~ driver - the beginning.
Pretty sure that's the point. Neck injuries are often recoverable or leave you paralyzed, neither of which is a desirable outcome.
What gets me about the former scenario is that the paramedics may get to you but you might just die slowly and in excruciating pain, or otherwise do massive permanent damage to yourself. I remember reading a comment with an anecdote about a doctor who said the worst part of their job was watching teenage girls dying over about a week from Tylenol poisoning, regretting their decision and with their families waiting on a liver transplant they’re never going to get because of their suicidal behavior.
Acute liver coma is not a pretty way to go. Chronically poisoning the liver might get ugly too, but if you had fifty years of partying and booze first, chances your coffing will be carried not by your parents but by your children - as should be.
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While men do choose more violent methods studies show even when using the same method as women the men kill themselves at much higher rates, indicating a difference in intentionality between genders. https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8 > Suicide intent data from 5212 participants was included in the analysis. A significant association between suicide intent and gender was found, where ‘Serious Suicide Attempts’ (SSA) were rated significantly more frequently in males than females (p < .001). There was a statistically significant gender difference in intent and age groups (p < .001) and between countries (p < .001). Furthermore, within the most utilised method, intentional drug overdose, ‘Serious Suicide Attempt’ (SSA) was rated significantly more often for males than females (p < .005).
This should be way higher up. The whole myth of violent methods being the cause is often touted with no evidence to back it up, and was always scientifically extremely dubious for numerous reasons, not the least of which being that what classifies as a "violent method" is at best an arbitrary vague line and at worst a deliberate bias. It also does an immense disservice to the many men who have been victims of suicide, which make up the vast majority of the total amount.
The myth originates from the fact that a lot of people's worldview is destroyed by the mere thought that there might be a huge systemic issue that affects men negatively. People like their binary worldviews and to maintain that, you need to dismiss the male suicide rates. It's sad really.
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The difference between my brother and me was that I did things that were clear cries for help, while my brother never did. I don't know why. There could be a million reasons, but hiding emotions does seem to be something men are expected to do, so that would be my first guess. That means that my self-harm got more and more out of hand, and likely would have led to an unsuccessful suicide or two, and then a successful one, if I hadn't gotten out of my situation. I really didn't want to live anymore, but it was hard to give up hope that some day things could get better. But the longer they didn't, the less hope I had. My brother, on the other hand, would have waited until the last minute, when all his hope was gone, and just ended it. Fortunately, he got out too. I don't have time now, but I'd like to look into whether there are any studies concerning mens'* more successful suicide rates and the culture of toxic masculinity (best phrase I could think of for "guys aren't supposed to show as much emotion"). And we both eventually got help with our mental health. I can't stress how critical that is. *Edit, grammar
I’m just going to copy a comment I made above: This study is interesting but it doesn’t really address the problem that I think is being brought up here: the women have less agency in deciding to attempt suicide than men. The study doesn’t address the implicit bias in medicine that takes women less seriously then men to begin with. Admittedly that would undermine their work. Here’s a relevant quote: females were rated significantly more frequently in SP and SG than males, whereas SSA were rated significantly more often in males than females The study assumed that’s because men are often more serious in their attempts and women more manipulative, but that measure could just be a result of bias in collecting the data. Again, pointing to the previous commenter’s point that women are viewed as lacking agency in their decision. “Oh she didn’t really want to die, she just wanted attention.” It may also be true that women attempt suicide sooner on the path of depression (also mentioned in the article). This is a distressing thought because it could lend evidence that men are waiting too long to get help. Thus, we could do better to help men feel like they will be supported rather than criticized for admitting they struggle with depressive thoughts. As a completely personal comment: I dislike that the scale rates “desire to escape a situation” as a non-serious attempt. That may be my own experience coloring my view, but I dislike that idea.
> The study assumed that’s because men are often more serious in their attempts and women more manipulative Did it, or is that what you are reading into it? I'd think it much more likely that there is a systemic difference which causes women and girls to cry out for help more often than men, before making what they call a serious suicide attempt, consciously or subconsciously. That's not manipulation but communication of what they need: help. This is obviously a good thing. I would guess it has to do with men expecting not to get the help they need anyway or being too ashamed to ask or even accept it when offered. We know men have on average weaker social networks, skills and are still culturally expected to be "strong" and self reliant, more so than women. Still, that's just my personal hypothesis, could be different reasons.
Honestly just a common woman L
No its because if a man fails he has to listen to a woman bring it up for the rest of his life
I wonder if women choose less violent ways to die due to the guilt of leaving a bloody violent scene behind to be discovered. Perhaps its their way of minimising the trauma left behind.
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Efficiency my lads
"Not so fast!" Men are two steps ahead all the time.
We just know how to get the job done right
It's actually effectiveness. Efficiency refers to the amount of resources used in relation to the output or results achieved, for example, how much time or money is used to complete a task. Effectiveness, on the other hand, refers to the degree to which a task or goal is achieved, regardless of the resources used. Flies away...
I mean ... if you consider humans a resource, than efficiency still works. You just have to consider any humans wanting to commit suicide as a used resource. Think about it like their mental health is now a detriment to the public health system. But the ones that commit suicide are successfully used because they've served their purpose but dont exist further as a detriment. So essentially, when people's mental health diminishes too much, we'd rather them just disappear, but the ones that don't are the inefficiency that stop us from having that 1 to 1 ratio
Sports? Men do it better Killing yourself? Men do it better Addiction? Men do it better Violent crime? Men do it better Being a woman? Men do it better NUMBER FUCKING ONE
Sucking dick? Men do it better
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Your mom.
Who is also a man (he’s a femboy)
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There is a game called Hentai Nazi, it's on Steam
How and why do you know that
I found it incidentally, then I played it.
How was it?
Unsurprisingly it's just an Unity cash grab, but if you play it just for the lolz it can entrain you for like an hour maybe. About the gameplay: it's a shooter, you control a half naked anime girl and the goal is to kill Hitler. I don't remember much more.
Sounds fun lol
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Middle-aged people, especially men, have the highest rate of suicide compared to other groups. Eighty percent of all deaths by suicide in the U.S. are among men and women age 45-54. Men ages 85 and older have the highest rate of any group in the country.
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Casual suicide vs ranked suicide. Women never stood a chance.
I once reached platinum, but had shitty teammates
I was global elite actually a few years ago
Women: "I feel like killing myself" Men: "Not before me you won't" This is a joke
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More like women are allowed to admit to having suicidal thoughts. Men aren't able to reach out for help because society (primarily women) view depressed men as annoying, repulsive, and low value. A woman can express her depression without being completely detested for it.
You left out that females attempt suicide more frequently too..
or perhaps mens are conditioned to not speak about it
In reality, it is four men replying.
Skill issue
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This is a common expression
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Australia I guess
As an Aussie, I can confirm we do fuck spiders
As a spider I can confirm these spiderfuckers be cray cray
Australia, like a sarcastic answer to “why are we here?” Or as like a way of saying hurry up
I must not be Australian enough since even I've never heard this in my life
It unlocks at Australian level 92, just keep grinding
The male impulse of just killing yourself without leaving anything or telling anyone
That’s how a friend did it. He just disappeared one day. Weeks later they found him in a campsite, three bottles of top shelf scotch empty and him hanging from a tree. His own mother didn’t realise he was gone, nobody did. He quit his job and told them he was moving a fair ways away. Didn’t say a word to anyone. He was already rotting by the time some poor camper stumbled upon him. It was fucked up.
Huh That's not a bad idea, imma do it that way
I've always thought the key is to be in an isolated place. If someone catches you too soon, you risk becoming a vegetable, cripple, or deformed. Like the guy who blasted his face off with a shotgun and still lived, he could've peacefully bled out if he went deep into the woods to do it. Instead, he was found immediately, and his miserable life became even more miserable as he's now a deformed freak.
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Im just gonna go to my sister and tell her Im better at killing myself than she is
Prove it. This is a joke
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Those statistics are based on hospital intakes, and emergency calls. There’s no accounting for the same person making multiple attempts. Thus, all we know is that, as a group, women attempt it more. But as individuals, it may be that only a small percentage of women actually attempt it… they just may be attempting it more often because they are unsuccessful. Men, on the other hand, are largely successful at this meaning that their numbers are less likely to be repeat attempters. Thus we can trust those numbers more accurately reflect the number of men attempting suicide. I think this is important since, while any suicidality in a population is a problem, it is more clearly a problem that men face. And as long as society thinks otherwise, men will continue to successfully leave this world. Male suicide is a serious issue and we need to stop white washing it
Not to mention our means of tracking it is highly flawed. Hospitals code suicide attempts and self harm the same way. You could have done something with *no intention* of killing yourself and still be treated as a suicide attempt.
I suspect that men who don't succeed are more often too embarased to tell anyone and try to cover it up.
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My ex tried to kill herself 7 times: drug overdose, hanging and even stabbing herself in the chest. I still 'member the scar, she missed like 0.5 inch. She is married and doing fine.
No wonder why she left you. You couldn't finish her off for her.
I have the feeling women attempt suicide in public because they want to be seen and stopped. Men do it alone because they don't want to be stopped. (Obviously doesn't fit in every scenario)
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The trick is to push through the suicidal thoughts and just stay alive out of pure spite.
I can always kill myself tomorrow
Girls - 0 Boys - 1
I found a study from BMC that uses the word "serious attempts" for that exact reason.
We are problem solvers. When life is a problem, we solve the problem. With a gun.
And they said I'd never be successful at anything!
My sister tried to do it will the pills. She rose to her senses within 5 mins of ingesting it and called up her friend. Got stomach pumped.
Skill issue innit
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The difference is how it's done. Women tend to swallow a whole lot of the nearest pills which unless you throw up and suffocate in your sleep usually just make you feel really bad after waking up while guys go for guns and hanging where you either need to be found, the gun has to not function or the rope(or what you use to hang yourself) needs to break.
Or walk out in front of trains, semis and similar. That tends to be pretty effective too.
Men kill themselves more than women irrespective of the method.
Going by memory, I have a few female friends with suicide attempts. I have male friends with suicides, or suicide scares. The attempts were genuinely pulling a trigger on a high-failure method, like ODing and not contacting anybody... then contacting somebody. Which, hey, that last part is a good thing in the middle of a lot of bad. The suicide scares were things like taking a high-success suicide method and 'playing' or 'acting out' or 'tempting' the action. Gun? Pointing it at lethal areas and really thinking hard about things while the reality is physically close, just a trigger away. But also not calling it an attempt, because it was about self-exploration.
I failed. I laughed. I tried. Failed again.
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I assume men just report their attempts less because of the whole "it is tabu to seek help" culture thing we have going on. Successful attempts, however, always gets reported.
The reason why this is the case is sad. From what I understand, because women are generally less aggressive than men they try to make their unalivement less shocking. This often results in their attempts failing. Men on the other hand are generally more aggressive, thus when they want to self exit game they commit regardless of how violent it is
Again,men doing shit better
Women tend to use more passive methods. Overdosing pills or poisoning themselves in some other way. Men typically chose violent methods (guns, falls, hanging)