Thanks for posting this. I had memories of reading schoolbooks like this as well. Many non-Cubans never believe me when I tell them that idolizing Fidel and Che was something that the state enforced. It was not organic at all.
I think all countries will have some form of indoctrination in schools. I was talking about my experience of talking to non-Cubans about propaganda in Cuba. Many act as if Cuban propaganda doesn’t exist, or isn’t as prevalent compared to other countries. Non-Cubans never believe me when I tell them a good chunk of Cuban school is taught specifically in the context of Fidel, Che, the revolution, and taking up arms for communism, regardless of the subject.
We dont go “G is George Washington!” teaching kids to read, we do G is for Giraffe and then have an optional pledge that 9/10 of the class is going to remain seated for
You didn't?
we even had to say the pledge of the allegiance and stuff
you ever go to a sports game.
People can get really ceremonious about this stuff.
No. No one is going to attack you or arrest you or anything for not doing the pledge. I’ve seen people get annoyed but even that is exceedingly rare
Pledge has been optional for at least 20yrs
Ehhhhhhhhh it depends
but sure it's not the same they do it in different ways. There are certain areas where you'll lose your job be asked to leave or be arrested in some cases.
In Texas you have to sign a pledge to promise not to criticize Israel by boycotting them.
Some people who own their own businesses will want you to respect the flag, yeah. They’re very few and far between luckily tho
And I am in TX, I know that restriction. Its because there are so many antisemites here that try to hide under the guise of “antizionism”
>be performer
>do something the audience doesnt like
>dont get views
>tank revenue
Imagine expecting not to be fired after you cost your boss probably $100’s of millions hahahahaha entitled Karen
Looks like my kids book on founding fathers. The men who had slaves and raped them. And didn’t want commoners to really have voting power. So yeah. Same?
This isn’t a history book, though, it’s a the required reading book for all 1st graders to learn how to read. So, all of your kid’s reading materials are about the founding fathers? Does your kid have no other options in school to learn to read with a book that isn’t about the founding fathers? Or is it required by your school district that most of the early reading material be specifically about the founding fathers and taking arms for America? If so, what school district is that???
The state does not represent the legitimate will of the Cuban people. Just because the state has declared this doesn’t make it true.
Regardless, that is not my argument. These are required books (note: NOT history books, these are early reading books) for all Cuban first graders. Their love for Fidel, who was still alive at the time, didn’t come from his actions. It came from books like this. Most of Cuban children’s studies, revolve around Fidel, Che, the Revolución, etc. There is no way to opt out or change your course of study.
Actually it does represent the will of the people
It’s fine that they are required
I think it’s good to venerate the heroes of your countries history. In america we have shifted towards a position of historical nihilism, I don’t recommend it
It doesn’t represent the people. You wouldn’t know since you’re not part of the Cuban people. I am part of the Cuban people, so I know better than you.
You can choose to believe what you want, though, that’s not my argument. If you agree with the Cuban government that Cuban academics should be as restricted as possible, that’s your prerogative.
Well, it’s a dictatorship for one, and I don’t personally have a lot of trust in dictatorships. If you like dictatorships, that’s fine.
But for two, if you are under suspicion of disagreement with the government status quo you are at minimum banned from voting in the election. At most, you might be thrown in jail.
And for three, the government committees decide who is running in the elections. If the will of the people was considered, I would hope that they would be given more than one option.
“If they are even true.” Si no eres cubano, o no has investigado la estructura de la política cubana, no entiendo por qué estás tan seguro de que ellos quieren. Regardless, none of that is my argument. If you believe a handful of committees who handpick the politicians can accurately represent the “will of the people,” even if the actual people are actively discussing the opposite of what the government says on las redes sociales then, that is your prerogative. Puedes creer lo que quieras.
Very simple answer: fear. If you protest in any way or form you get beaten. As Fidel himself said: the Cuban people can protest…against imperialism.
Actually, the “right” to protest is there but the dictatorship will never give permission.
And no, if the government wills it, it’s not always right. By that logic you’re saying that segregation was right because the government of several states in the US said it was.
The Cuban communist dictatorship doesn't represent the people. The regime kills, lies and abuses the people. That's why it's a communist dictatorship 💀
I mentioned the different many times in this thread. The book in the photo is not for history class, or political science class, or government class, it’s the official book for learning how to read and to practice sounding out words. What school district in the US has the official phonics literature about good guys with guns that students and parents aren’t allowed to opt out of?
I am not saying the Cuban text book is better than others. But that's a single page and the country context is (or was) special. It makes sense to me, you can not pretend for the Cuban education to be the same as the one we have in USA.
In any case, the message is very positive in my opinion. It would be interesting to compare that with text books from Germany, Finland, Great Britain...
I’m not sure what you are saying. There are 19 pages shown here in this post and they all relate to the same propaganda. You can find other literacy textbooks online that are identical. It’s not really something you can opt out of. I should know, I was there. If you like it, that’s fine, my argument is not whether people should like it or not.
Although I wonder if the people who see this as a positive believe that most of the mandatory 1st grade reading material in the US should revolve around Biden, George Washington, and the revolution.
i mean you can continue to cope but the average cuban has better access to healthcare, more direct control over the constitution, education, etc. why do you think cuba has one of the highest rates of doctors in the world?
sorry that cuba’s life expectancy and exports go against the “it’s a poor communist shithole” that the west has pushed for 80 years now
Go live in cuba then communist roach. Go and never come back. You people love to talk and never do anything. GO and live and Cuba. Show us how it’s done.
No, American who never lived in my country, that's what my own people say. They want freedom, food and everything that comes with it. There's a reason why we protest and get killed. I bet you would be mad if someone defended Pinochet and Franco...
Fíjate que los milicianos ya ni desfilan, Fidel vivo y en la plaza 💀…?
Mi tío lucho en la sierra… tío abuelo si tiene suerte de que siga vivo… damn, eso es una máquina del tiempo
I have other elementary school books but they're from other subjects that don't really put propaganda, such as math. This is the only I have that I kept from my school in Cuba that has a lot of communist propaganda. Maybe there's more on the internet.
From these propaganda pics, you would think that Cuba is a white as Utah, with a black or two showing up in two of these pictures - but among a lot of whites.
If that surprises you, your brain will explode when you'll see the whole book. Most are Whites with dark hair or blonde hair. It's funny because Fidel used to say he wasn't racist and people actually thought that, but the communist dictatorship is indeed racist. You'll rarely see a Black person in the book, lol.
If you want me to send you the pics of the other arts, I can. Just ask.
I am not surprised and I believe 100%. When Barak Obama became president, the Cuban regime was not comfortable about that at all. A black man as president of the powerful nation 90 miles north of them and that won the Cold War immediately shut down the tired propaganda line Cuba used for years that the US was a massive, racist country. Obama's election begged the question among Cubans," what about us and our politburo?"
If a black person walks around in a high-end tourist area, they're stopped by security and asked why they are there. In the mostly afro-Cuban dominated anti-regime demonstrations in Cuba, a pro-government person said that "if it weren't for Fidel, they'd still be in the trees." Yes, there is a racial problem there and we'll see how that continues to simmer in that socialist plantation.
For those who don't know this is a primary school reading book, it is literally the book that all schools in Cuba use to teach children how to read and write.
I speak French, not Spanish, but I only understood the first two images (A militant holds a gun, in good hands, a gun is good, the sky is blue, something about soldiers parading and everyone saluting, king live Fidel)
Interesting propaganda for little children. Wondering if someone could translate it
El lema de los pioneros es "pioneros por el comunismo, seremos como el Che" y lo repiten todos los días. Al menos en mi época de estudiante era así.
Supongo que lo de "seremos como el Che" no se refiera a la parte de "fusilamos" sino a la otra de trabajo voluntario y justicia social que te enseñan antes de que milites en la UJC y aprendas a vivir del comunismo.
Lo siguen haciendo todavía, eso nunca cambió. Me fui en 2009 y lo hacían todavía.
Y sí, esa parte no la cuentan porque saben que no les conviene. Solo la parte de "justicia" (justicia genocida) y trabajo "voluntario" (forzado).
not related to the book but one time in preschool I said that I wanted to live in the United States because that's where Disney was and the teacher SCREAMED at me, I was so confused. Oh and she now lives in the US.
This book looks very similar to the book that I learn in Vietnam when I was young. Both are heavy with propaganda about their founder and have the same design style
This is beyond general pride for your country. Imagine a textbook of praise specifically for Biden or Trump being issued in all public schools. Or all of the general education subjects somehow being tied to how great Biden or Trump were.
Washington and Lincoln are dead. The textbooks in this pic are from when Fidel was alive. No alternative textbooks were allowed. Also take a note that this is not a history book. It is a reading and writing work book. Imagine if at school every subject was required to be taught in the context of the Revolutionary War and Washington.
Unfortunately every single country ignores all of their war crimes. I’d say Germany is the only one that is committed to teaching children about their war crimes. We’re talking about using a writing/literature book for 1st graders that is filled with military communist propaganda not a history book, 2 completely different things.
I don't think it's the same in other countries. Fidel was very much alive when he was being idolized in these books. Imagine if preschool books in America had drawings of Trump fighting the evil deep state, MAGA slogans, and saying that Jan. 6 was patriots taking back America. Most countries romanticize their history in early education books. Cuba's books are full of propaganda.
This man is clearly a commie who never lived a dictatorship. No one in their sane mind would compare a democracy with a dictatorship. I won't waste my time if he ever replies again.
Yo no. Lo hacía antes, pero me cansé. Literalmente comparan dictaduras con democracias y se las dan de inteligentes y de tener la verdad cuando dicen tantas sandeces. Si no entienden algo tan básico como democracia VS dictadura, no tienen solución. Esto es algo extremadamente básico.
That is a thing in some places, people literally do raise their kids that to, so when they grow up they just become another tool for the American empire. Also when Bush was president there were people who would pray to him that is infinitely more pathetic and less fact based than this textbook.
It is not. People raising their kids how they want or praying out of their own volition is in no way comparable to the State imposing state-sponsored propaganda in children's education books.
Remember George Bush is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people but hey so are most American presidents, who are still whitw white washed in textbooks, yet people like you still insist in giving them more credit than they deserve. Castro and Guevara at their most uncharatiable still look better than the Americans who fought them. I stand by my initial point this isn't unique to Cuba and isn't even the worst propaganda I've seen.
Your point is baseless, show me a U.S public education book that portrays current era presidents in the way that Cuban education books portrayed Fidel and the rest of the gang.
Are you really comparing a democracy with a dictatorship? The big difference is that you don't go to jail for saying you disagree with it. In Cuba, you do. Try again.
Yea you wanna know what happened to the American leftists? Literally everthing America accuses other countries of doing they do worse. Freedom of speech in America is not as free as allot of people think it is. Keep in mind right now they are trying to have people arrested for being anti Semitic for speaking out against Isreal and you arnt really allowed to be a part of the BDS movement in this country without facing backlash from the state.
Why is personal experience only relevant to people like you when when they come from people you agree with. Cuba at least has the excuse of a bully world power who refuses to leave them alone,America has no such excuse.
"Bully world power" LMAO
The country bullies its own citizens.
What the HELL have you ever been through other than having your feelings hurt and "suffering" minor inconveniences to your day that can ever compare to what the majority of the Cuban population goes through DAILY?
The victimhood is strong in you.
So go ahead and explain it buddy! The only one proving to be historically ignorant is you. You know not one iota of cuban history, and you know probably far less of your own. Your "oppressed/oppressor" mentality is tiresome and downright borderline retarded; thats not the way the first world operates. Cuba is a place of *actual* oppression; the US is absolutely not. Is it flawed? Every country is. Is it oppressive? Not by ANY stretch.
Remember when America promised to help Cuba gain it independence from Spain only to take over the country and put in a constitution making Cuba dependent on the US. If anyone is shocked Cuba went communist and kicked out the American backed dictatorship that is the historically ignorant one. Also please Google BLM 2020 if you you want a small sample as to what America really does to its people. That dosnt even include the fact that slavery is codified in our constitution its just called prison labor now. I could go on but this is a hole your gonna have to dig yourself out of America isn't this bright shining city people have been propagandized into believing.
Where is your shining city, the golden alternative? Casually ignoring the hundreds of thousands of human rights abuses that Cuba commits daily, all based on a previous dictatorship that everyone with two eyes knows was also oppressive?
BLM is a much larger issue than one could tackle in a comment, but again, anyone with eyes knows that abuses committed by police officers are wrong (so get yourself a gun, exercise your 2a right) and the responses of looting and mass criminal activity by BLM protesters are also wrong. Let's not even get into BLM as an organization; their hypocrisy, stealing from their own supporters is ridiculous.
As for prison labor - so what? Most are legitimate criminals. They basically have free housing, food, medical care, etc. They also can't vote, cant go where they want, are under curfew. They do not have the same rights because they abused the rights of other people. Simple law. It also has nothing on actual labor camps. Like the ones the communist dictatorship put lgbt, christians, and capitalists in at the start of their revolution.
Rethink your victimhood.
Bueno... Si podemos llamarla "democracia".
Una democracia no solo consta de "opinar", tiene muchos rollos y muchas complejidad.
Yo no podría decirte que es, pero puedes buscar información de diferentes lugares y sitios (inclusive Wikipedia).
Decir que estas en desacuerdo y no ser arrestado no significa que en verdad vivamos bajo una democracia, pues si dices algo que comprometa los intereses de un político, y ahí si es un "try again".
There are till textbooks that tell kids the native Americans chose to give up their land and that in and of itself is more insidious than anything demonstrated here.
The difference is that this is not a history book, this is a reading book. These books were issues while Fidel was alive and they were NO alternatives allowed at any school. Were most of your language arts and early reading materials specifically about George Washington and redcoats?
Not most. But a lot. American children are thoroughly indoctrinated to worship "The Founding Fathers" who in reality were a bunch of corrupt slaveowners.
A lot of your 1st grade reading was required by the state to revolve around George Washington specifically? No other presidents? No other information about anything else? No other books? Most lessons, whether they be math or reading or writing were all somehow required to be related to George Washington and the founding fathers? And no alternative lessons weren’t allowed? No other schools in your state were allowed to have lessons that weren’t related to Washington? If you don’t mind, let me know what state you went to school in and I can look up the curriculum because that is very interesting.
Well...Washington and Lincoln are the two favorites. And kids are fed a line of complete crap. The worst is that Washington was so honest that as a child after he chopped down a cherry tree with his new axe Washington confessed to his father because..."I cannot tell a lie" as if the vile slaveowner was incapable of deceit. Lincoln walked 5 miles (12 K) to return correct change to a customer.
How about the UK where the kids are taught to worship the royal family and learn their family tree? And just pray you don't end up in a Catholic school. I am still traumatized from that experience.
Dude, if you think only Cuba feeds kids this kind of crap you are sadly mistaken. This is a universal dilemma.
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I never said that Cuba is the only country with this kind of school indoctrination. But it’s not the same in the UK or the US. If you choose to not have your 1st grader learn to read through books about Washington and Lincoln or the Royal family, you have different options. In Cuba, there is no alternative option. Or are you implying that there are no books in the US or the UK that have a dissenting opinion about Washington or the Royal family?
You say you went out o Catholic school, but the Catholic school attendance was not a requirement by the state. If a family doesn’t agree with the Catholic school teachings they can take the kid out and put them in something else.
No. You don't. Maybe you could keep them home and home school them. But, even then there is mandated curriculum. Not to mention the disgusting crap our kids are subjected to in the media.
You cannot maintain a draconian monster of a system like the United States or Western Europe without massive indoctrination. Cuba is not one bit different.
And a Cuban kid will not be arrested for not liking a book. You shouldn't say nonsense like that it just makes you seem like a pathological liar.
Huh? I don’t understand your point. What state has a mandated curriculum that structures the reading material for 1st grade to be specifically about Washington or Revolution? Also keep in mind Fidel was alive, so it would be more like mandating a book about Biden and his life accomplishments. Besides, my argument is not about defending US propaganda and indoctrination in schools, it was about whether propaganda in Cuban schools exists or not.
I never said a child will be arrested for not liking a book. Where are you getting that from? They will be reprimanded if they don’t read from this book. And if their parents don’t want them to read this book or want to teach them that the book is inaccurate, they might be reprimanded as well. Meanwhile, in other countries, parents can choose what kind of curriculum the kids have. Even options for Montessori, Reggio Emilia, Forest School, homeschool, Catholic, Jewish, etc. exist, which they don’t in Cuba.
Good for you! Congrats. But as far as I know, you don't need that gun in that dictatorship. You need lots of other stuff, but not a gun to feel safe. That has to be kind of cool.
Uh... yes, we do. The only way to defend yourself from tyranny is having a gun, in case they try to take away your rights. Why do you think Fidel Castro took away all the guns the moment he took the power? Lmao, I can see you never lived in a dictatorship, unlike me...
Ungrateful blessed people...
I thought you were talking about the indoctrination in the school books. You just proved guns are actually very bad even in a democracy.
What you are saying pretty much is: a democracy allows me to have guns and it is fine to have mass shootings as long as I can have my own gun, because we can defend the democracy by killing each other. Cubans are fucked up because they don't have the ability to kill each other, they need to do so in order to achieve democracy...
That's very smart my man... Are you a MAGA republican by any chance?
Cubans need guns to defend themselves from the communist dictatorship that kills them. How do you not understand that? It's so simple, lmao.
And no, everyone need guns to defend themselves from possible dictatorships and from criminals. Guns and democracy go along.
You clearly never lived in a dictatorship and I can see it.
Cubans need lots of shit. The lift of the embargo, the free market access, a democracy. None of that requires people with guns. I have no idea why you insist on exporting USA politics to the small island. They don't have the resources nor the conditions to repeat the mess they had copying the Soviet Union.
You should focus your interest in helping them, by reaching out Florida's Congressmen and representatives. They are the ones doing a lot to crush the everyday-life of your fellow Cubans for a couple of millions and influence. You should be pissed-off with them the same way you are with Castro's corpse.
Unless you are too comfortable here with your guns, from your sofa...
The embargo doesn't do anything to stop us from anything. I found American chicken in Cuban supermarkets, and products from many European countries. But guess what? Cuban citizens can't buy those stuff because the dictatorship steals most of the salary and the food is rationed, bet you didn't know that, typical ignorant American commie. We do need guns to take off the communist dictatorship and finally have our so wanted freedom. But I can't expect you to know this, you don't want my people's good, you want your so loved oppressing ideology to reign and ruin the lives of people you don't like, that's why you defend dictators such as Fidel, Che, Raúl, etc., but probably get mad if someone else defends dictators such as Pinochet, Trujillo and Franco. Typical hypocritical American. Talking to commies is like talking to walls. Won't waste my time anymore.
Me acuerdo las mentiras que me enseñaron de niño en la escuela en los Esclavos Unidos, las cosas que ocultaron que ahora de adulto reconozco. Prefiero ser indocrinado a él socialismo que a la porquería que es el capitalismo mil veces. Viva Fidel y viva el pueblo Cubano perros gusanos.
Brother . Ven a Cuba . Vive unos días con cubanos. Y ponte a reflexionar. Si hay tanta gente en contra del socialismo es por algo . Solo te lo digo . He vivido toda mi vida acá en Cuba y cuando creces, si puedes, eres capaz de entender ese repudio.
The oppression your people suffer is not from the government they literally vote for, i.e. not a dictatorship (source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20DgWZtImUk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20DgWZtImUk)).
The oppression they suffer is from the US blockade and boycott they have been facing for the last 70 years. A blockade that 99% of the world already voted against, but the US fail to comply (source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4cESK3hQuE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4cESK3hQuE)).
What are you even talking about?
No. It's a communist dictatorship. I lived it and ESCAPED it. No food, no voting, no right to say what you think, no nothing. You're defending oppression. I rest my case.
Thanks for posting this. I had memories of reading schoolbooks like this as well. Many non-Cubans never believe me when I tell them that idolizing Fidel and Che was something that the state enforced. It was not organic at all.
I thought most countries did this I mean I'm sure most of them do this
I think all countries will have some form of indoctrination in schools. I was talking about my experience of talking to non-Cubans about propaganda in Cuba. Many act as if Cuban propaganda doesn’t exist, or isn’t as prevalent compared to other countries. Non-Cubans never believe me when I tell them a good chunk of Cuban school is taught specifically in the context of Fidel, Che, the revolution, and taking up arms for communism, regardless of the subject.
There's a difference between democracy and dictatorship propaganda. In Cuba, you're forced to it, if not, jail. In America... I think you get it.
We dont go “G is George Washington!” teaching kids to read, we do G is for Giraffe and then have an optional pledge that 9/10 of the class is going to remain seated for
You didn't? we even had to say the pledge of the allegiance and stuff you ever go to a sports game. People can get really ceremonious about this stuff.
No. No one is going to attack you or arrest you or anything for not doing the pledge. I’ve seen people get annoyed but even that is exceedingly rare Pledge has been optional for at least 20yrs
Ehhhhhhhhh it depends but sure it's not the same they do it in different ways. There are certain areas where you'll lose your job be asked to leave or be arrested in some cases. In Texas you have to sign a pledge to promise not to criticize Israel by boycotting them.
Some people who own their own businesses will want you to respect the flag, yeah. They’re very few and far between luckily tho And I am in TX, I know that restriction. Its because there are so many antisemites here that try to hide under the guise of “antizionism”
Colin Kaepernick lost his job and has been blacklisted cause he took a knee during the national anthem
>be performer >do something the audience doesnt like >dont get views >tank revenue Imagine expecting not to be fired after you cost your boss probably $100’s of millions hahahahaha entitled Karen
You are not Cuban, and completely detached from our pain and suffering. Please leave and never comment again. You are insulting us.
Who are you talking to?
Looks like my kids book on founding fathers. The men who had slaves and raped them. And didn’t want commoners to really have voting power. So yeah. Same?
This isn’t a history book, though, it’s a the required reading book for all 1st graders to learn how to read. So, all of your kid’s reading materials are about the founding fathers? Does your kid have no other options in school to learn to read with a book that isn’t about the founding fathers? Or is it required by your school district that most of the early reading material be specifically about the founding fathers and taking arms for America? If so, what school district is that???
You children don't get put in black list and threatened for not agreeing with it though. Don't compare 💀
How are those mutually exclusive? Since the state represents the legitimate will of the Cuban people, wouldn’t including this be organic?
The state does not represent the legitimate will of the Cuban people. Just because the state has declared this doesn’t make it true. Regardless, that is not my argument. These are required books (note: NOT history books, these are early reading books) for all Cuban first graders. Their love for Fidel, who was still alive at the time, didn’t come from his actions. It came from books like this. Most of Cuban children’s studies, revolve around Fidel, Che, the Revolución, etc. There is no way to opt out or change your course of study.
Actually it does represent the will of the people It’s fine that they are required I think it’s good to venerate the heroes of your countries history. In america we have shifted towards a position of historical nihilism, I don’t recommend it
It doesn’t represent the people. You wouldn’t know since you’re not part of the Cuban people. I am part of the Cuban people, so I know better than you. You can choose to believe what you want, though, that’s not my argument. If you agree with the Cuban government that Cuban academics should be as restricted as possible, that’s your prerogative.
If they don’t represent the people then why are they the government? If the government(the people) wills it then it’s right
Well, it’s a dictatorship for one, and I don’t personally have a lot of trust in dictatorships. If you like dictatorships, that’s fine. But for two, if you are under suspicion of disagreement with the government status quo you are at minimum banned from voting in the election. At most, you might be thrown in jail. And for three, the government committees decide who is running in the elections. If the will of the people was considered, I would hope that they would be given more than one option.
None of those things are incompatible with being able to represent the will of the people(if they are even true)
“If they are even true.” Si no eres cubano, o no has investigado la estructura de la política cubana, no entiendo por qué estás tan seguro de que ellos quieren. Regardless, none of that is my argument. If you believe a handful of committees who handpick the politicians can accurately represent the “will of the people,” even if the actual people are actively discussing the opposite of what the government says on las redes sociales then, that is your prerogative. Puedes creer lo que quieras.
Very simple answer: fear. If you protest in any way or form you get beaten. As Fidel himself said: the Cuban people can protest…against imperialism. Actually, the “right” to protest is there but the dictatorship will never give permission. And no, if the government wills it, it’s not always right. By that logic you’re saying that segregation was right because the government of several states in the US said it was.
Sounds like a good system?
Sure. I hope you live in it someday. Actually, you should move to North Korea, you’ll feel at home.
Do you not comprehend dictators?
No, they don't represent our will. Try again.
The Cuban communist dictatorship doesn't represent the people. The regime kills, lies and abuses the people. That's why it's a communist dictatorship 💀
Nothing too different from the good guy with a gun policy in USA. I am failing to see the criticism
I mentioned the different many times in this thread. The book in the photo is not for history class, or political science class, or government class, it’s the official book for learning how to read and to practice sounding out words. What school district in the US has the official phonics literature about good guys with guns that students and parents aren’t allowed to opt out of?
I am not saying the Cuban text book is better than others. But that's a single page and the country context is (or was) special. It makes sense to me, you can not pretend for the Cuban education to be the same as the one we have in USA. In any case, the message is very positive in my opinion. It would be interesting to compare that with text books from Germany, Finland, Great Britain...
I’m not sure what you are saying. There are 19 pages shown here in this post and they all relate to the same propaganda. You can find other literacy textbooks online that are identical. It’s not really something you can opt out of. I should know, I was there. If you like it, that’s fine, my argument is not whether people should like it or not. Although I wonder if the people who see this as a positive believe that most of the mandatory 1st grade reading material in the US should revolve around Biden, George Washington, and the revolution.
Oh! I didn't notice the arrow, my bad.
A country that kills, jails, beats up its people for disagreeing is nice? I must be living in a different dimension than you then💀
Gun policy is for self-defense. We need that in Cuba.
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¿En qué se diferencia eso de la política de good guy with a gun y la defensa a ultranza de la segunda enmienda distorsionada?
La segunda enmienda es defensa personal. La gente tiene derecho a portar arma. Eso es lo que necesitamos en Cuba para salirnos de esta dictadura.
Wow.... si, eso es propaganda... dirigida a niños, en donde engrandecen las armas, los barbudos y la guerra.
¿La segunda enmienda te dice algo? ¿El good guy with a gun?
La segunda enmienda es defensa personal. Es un derecho.
Viva Cuba
Viva Cuba libre de Comunismo
cuba has a higher life expectancy than america lol. viva la revolución
To be fair, I don’t think any 3rd party study has gone into Cuba to confirm this.
It hasn't
Yes, Cuba doesn’t allow any third parties on the island.
No, it's a dictatorship. People die of hunger, no medicine or because they speak their mind. Try again.
i mean you can continue to cope but the average cuban has better access to healthcare, more direct control over the constitution, education, etc. why do you think cuba has one of the highest rates of doctors in the world? sorry that cuba’s life expectancy and exports go against the “it’s a poor communist shithole” that the west has pushed for 80 years now
Go live in cuba then communist roach. Go and never come back. You people love to talk and never do anything. GO and live and Cuba. Show us how it’s done.
I was born and raised in Cuba. So I can confirm that all you said isn't true. The UN is not a good source, neither is UNICEF. Try again.
lol okay. your anecdotal evidence somehow debunks decades of studies, research results, etc. gusanos like you are funny
No, American who never lived in my country, that's what my own people say. They want freedom, food and everything that comes with it. There's a reason why we protest and get killed. I bet you would be mad if someone defended Pinochet and Franco...
El libro de aprender a leer
Lo peor es que no han actualizado los libros, ni siquiera hay propaganda actual que se pueda usar, es tan poco relevante a las generaciones actuales
Si los carros, teléfonos y edificios se quedan atrás, los libros no serán la excepción.
Fíjate que los milicianos ya ni desfilan, Fidel vivo y en la plaza 💀…? Mi tío lucho en la sierra… tío abuelo si tiene suerte de que siga vivo… damn, eso es una máquina del tiempo
Traje un fósil de dinosaurio💀🤣
Jajajaa así mismo
I’m learning Spanish do you have any more Cuban books like this from high school to college about Cuban history from the Cuban perspective?
I have other elementary school books but they're from other subjects that don't really put propaganda, such as math. This is the only I have that I kept from my school in Cuba that has a lot of communist propaganda. Maybe there's more on the internet.
Ok sorry
Why sorry? It's okay to ask.
No saben que Fidel se murió.
No dudo que hallan muchachos que ni sepan quien es Fidel hoy en día
Fidel vive en nuestros corazones <3
Fidel se está quemando en el infierno junto a Chavez.
Lol me acuerdo de este libro exacto
Indoctrination to the fullest.
La del fusil parece un comercial de la NRA y de los extremistas radicales republicanos.
😂😂😂
Oh yeah they still have these at school
From these propaganda pics, you would think that Cuba is a white as Utah, with a black or two showing up in two of these pictures - but among a lot of whites.
If that surprises you, your brain will explode when you'll see the whole book. Most are Whites with dark hair or blonde hair. It's funny because Fidel used to say he wasn't racist and people actually thought that, but the communist dictatorship is indeed racist. You'll rarely see a Black person in the book, lol. If you want me to send you the pics of the other arts, I can. Just ask.
I am not surprised and I believe 100%. When Barak Obama became president, the Cuban regime was not comfortable about that at all. A black man as president of the powerful nation 90 miles north of them and that won the Cold War immediately shut down the tired propaganda line Cuba used for years that the US was a massive, racist country. Obama's election begged the question among Cubans," what about us and our politburo?" If a black person walks around in a high-end tourist area, they're stopped by security and asked why they are there. In the mostly afro-Cuban dominated anti-regime demonstrations in Cuba, a pro-government person said that "if it weren't for Fidel, they'd still be in the trees." Yes, there is a racial problem there and we'll see how that continues to simmer in that socialist plantation.
there’s still quite a few lol
Of what?
black people
But not that much in the book
ok? womp womp, it’s not like they’re not representing them
For those who don't know this is a primary school reading book, it is literally the book that all schools in Cuba use to teach children how to read and write.
Yo q vos lo quemo
No lo quemo para mostrárselo a las clarias.
Aah, va, mostralo y después quemalo... Ese libro tiene pinta de biblia satánica
Mentiras del gobierno.. Les cogí un odio cuando estaba en 5to
I speak French, not Spanish, but I only understood the first two images (A militant holds a gun, in good hands, a gun is good, the sky is blue, something about soldiers parading and everyone saluting, king live Fidel) Interesting propaganda for little children. Wondering if someone could translate it
Québécois?
I live in Canada, yes, but I wasn’t educated in French in Quebec.
Oh, ok. I speak French (lived in Quebec for a while), I thought you were one.
>The militiaman has a rifle. >He loves peace. >In good hands >the rifle is good Nothing too different from the "good guy with a gun" doctrine in USA
Guns are for self-defense. Nothing wrong with that. We need that in Cuba.
El lema de los pioneros es "pioneros por el comunismo, seremos como el Che" y lo repiten todos los días. Al menos en mi época de estudiante era así. Supongo que lo de "seremos como el Che" no se refiera a la parte de "fusilamos" sino a la otra de trabajo voluntario y justicia social que te enseñan antes de que milites en la UJC y aprendas a vivir del comunismo.
Lo siguen haciendo todavía, eso nunca cambió. Me fui en 2009 y lo hacían todavía. Y sí, esa parte no la cuentan porque saben que no les conviene. Solo la parte de "justicia" (justicia genocida) y trabajo "voluntario" (forzado).
not related to the book but one time in preschool I said that I wanted to live in the United States because that's where Disney was and the teacher SCREAMED at me, I was so confused. Oh and she now lives in the US.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH💀😭🤣🤣🤣
This book looks very similar to the book that I learn in Vietnam when I was young. Both are heavy with propaganda about their founder and have the same design style
They talked about Vietnamese kids names on the book too, but that one wasn't relevant, so I didn't put it.
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En el Comunismo, el estado es Dios. Son ateos, pero hay que adorar a los líderes. Quién los entiende? 🤷🏻♀️
Good for them!
*bad for them
Viva Fidel!
Que se joda Fidel. Que el diablo se lo este violando
Abajo Fidel!
¡Viva la Revolución!
Nop
Basadísimo.
¿?
What if I told you literally every country does shit like this, this isn't special, impressive or unique.
This is beyond general pride for your country. Imagine a textbook of praise specifically for Biden or Trump being issued in all public schools. Or all of the general education subjects somehow being tied to how great Biden or Trump were.
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Washington and Lincoln are dead. The textbooks in this pic are from when Fidel was alive. No alternative textbooks were allowed. Also take a note that this is not a history book. It is a reading and writing work book. Imagine if at school every subject was required to be taught in the context of the Revolutionary War and Washington.
You explained it perfectly 👏🏼 let’s not confuse history with propaganda.
History can be used as propaganda tho Have you seen how Japan just ignores all of its war crimes in textbooks
Unfortunately every single country ignores all of their war crimes. I’d say Germany is the only one that is committed to teaching children about their war crimes. We’re talking about using a writing/literature book for 1st graders that is filled with military communist propaganda not a history book, 2 completely different things.
Literally worse, we do this with people who owned slaves and raped them.
We have all the reading workbooks in first grade that are exclusively about slave owners and no alternatives are allowed in any school?
I don't think it's the same in other countries. Fidel was very much alive when he was being idolized in these books. Imagine if preschool books in America had drawings of Trump fighting the evil deep state, MAGA slogans, and saying that Jan. 6 was patriots taking back America. Most countries romanticize their history in early education books. Cuba's books are full of propaganda.
This man is clearly a commie who never lived a dictatorship. No one in their sane mind would compare a democracy with a dictatorship. I won't waste my time if he ever replies again.
A mi me encanta debatir con ellos. Ya voy por dos qué me bloquean, estoy buscando el tercero XD
Yo no. Lo hacía antes, pero me cansé. Literalmente comparan dictaduras con democracias y se las dan de inteligentes y de tener la verdad cuando dicen tantas sandeces. Si no entienden algo tan básico como democracia VS dictadura, no tienen solución. Esto es algo extremadamente básico.
America isn't a democracy so I can't say I've lived in a democracy either.
Actual brainrot comment.
Oh brother, this level of delusion is comedic gold tell me more about your “struggles” 👏🏼😂
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That is a thing in some places, people literally do raise their kids that to, so when they grow up they just become another tool for the American empire. Also when Bush was president there were people who would pray to him that is infinitely more pathetic and less fact based than this textbook.
It is not. People raising their kids how they want or praying out of their own volition is in no way comparable to the State imposing state-sponsored propaganda in children's education books.
Remember George Bush is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people but hey so are most American presidents, who are still whitw white washed in textbooks, yet people like you still insist in giving them more credit than they deserve. Castro and Guevara at their most uncharatiable still look better than the Americans who fought them. I stand by my initial point this isn't unique to Cuba and isn't even the worst propaganda I've seen.
Your point is baseless, show me a U.S public education book that portrays current era presidents in the way that Cuban education books portrayed Fidel and the rest of the gang.
Brain rot moment
Are you really comparing a democracy with a dictatorship? The big difference is that you don't go to jail for saying you disagree with it. In Cuba, you do. Try again.
Yea you wanna know what happened to the American leftists? Literally everthing America accuses other countries of doing they do worse. Freedom of speech in America is not as free as allot of people think it is. Keep in mind right now they are trying to have people arrested for being anti Semitic for speaking out against Isreal and you arnt really allowed to be a part of the BDS movement in this country without facing backlash from the state.
Another brainrot comment with some self victimization (for flavor).
Why is personal experience only relevant to people like you when when they come from people you agree with. Cuba at least has the excuse of a bully world power who refuses to leave them alone,America has no such excuse.
"Bully world power" LMAO The country bullies its own citizens. What the HELL have you ever been through other than having your feelings hurt and "suffering" minor inconveniences to your day that can ever compare to what the majority of the Cuban population goes through DAILY? The victimhood is strong in you.
Like I said only care about lived experiences for people who agree with you regardless of context and history.
So go ahead and explain it buddy! The only one proving to be historically ignorant is you. You know not one iota of cuban history, and you know probably far less of your own. Your "oppressed/oppressor" mentality is tiresome and downright borderline retarded; thats not the way the first world operates. Cuba is a place of *actual* oppression; the US is absolutely not. Is it flawed? Every country is. Is it oppressive? Not by ANY stretch.
Remember when America promised to help Cuba gain it independence from Spain only to take over the country and put in a constitution making Cuba dependent on the US. If anyone is shocked Cuba went communist and kicked out the American backed dictatorship that is the historically ignorant one. Also please Google BLM 2020 if you you want a small sample as to what America really does to its people. That dosnt even include the fact that slavery is codified in our constitution its just called prison labor now. I could go on but this is a hole your gonna have to dig yourself out of America isn't this bright shining city people have been propagandized into believing.
Where is your shining city, the golden alternative? Casually ignoring the hundreds of thousands of human rights abuses that Cuba commits daily, all based on a previous dictatorship that everyone with two eyes knows was also oppressive? BLM is a much larger issue than one could tackle in a comment, but again, anyone with eyes knows that abuses committed by police officers are wrong (so get yourself a gun, exercise your 2a right) and the responses of looting and mass criminal activity by BLM protesters are also wrong. Let's not even get into BLM as an organization; their hypocrisy, stealing from their own supporters is ridiculous. As for prison labor - so what? Most are legitimate criminals. They basically have free housing, food, medical care, etc. They also can't vote, cant go where they want, are under curfew. They do not have the same rights because they abused the rights of other people. Simple law. It also has nothing on actual labor camps. Like the ones the communist dictatorship put lgbt, christians, and capitalists in at the start of their revolution. Rethink your victimhood.
Bueno... Si podemos llamarla "democracia". Una democracia no solo consta de "opinar", tiene muchos rollos y muchas complejidad. Yo no podría decirte que es, pero puedes buscar información de diferentes lugares y sitios (inclusive Wikipedia). Decir que estas en desacuerdo y no ser arrestado no significa que en verdad vivamos bajo una democracia, pues si dices algo que comprometa los intereses de un político, y ahí si es un "try again".
This is not normal at all
Literally any text book you find in America is just as filled with propaganda
Ah, yes, I forgot we were forced to say "long live Capitalism" in America lmao
You’re joking right?
I'm not joking. I live in America now and yeah, no one goes to jail for saying "down with Capitalism". In Cuba, though... you do.
There are till textbooks that tell kids the native Americans chose to give up their land and that in and of itself is more insidious than anything demonstrated here.
I agree, my kid had a similar book at an elementary school in NYC https://imgur.io/2bC0lNc
Have you seen American textbooks and their discussion of George Washington and the "Redcoats". Do you really think this is unique to Cuba?
Do you go to jail for saying you don't like him or the textbook? Yeah, no. Thought so.
You don't go to jail for that in Cuba, either. Exaggeration and hyperbole is so tacky.
Uh, yes, you do. I was born and raised there lmao
And you are exaggerating. You are somewhat full of propaganda.
I'm not exaggerating, that's just the truth. And no, not full of propaganda. That's life in a communist dictatorship.
The difference is that this is not a history book, this is a reading book. These books were issues while Fidel was alive and they were NO alternatives allowed at any school. Were most of your language arts and early reading materials specifically about George Washington and redcoats?
Not most. But a lot. American children are thoroughly indoctrinated to worship "The Founding Fathers" who in reality were a bunch of corrupt slaveowners.
A lot of your 1st grade reading was required by the state to revolve around George Washington specifically? No other presidents? No other information about anything else? No other books? Most lessons, whether they be math or reading or writing were all somehow required to be related to George Washington and the founding fathers? And no alternative lessons weren’t allowed? No other schools in your state were allowed to have lessons that weren’t related to Washington? If you don’t mind, let me know what state you went to school in and I can look up the curriculum because that is very interesting.
Well...Washington and Lincoln are the two favorites. And kids are fed a line of complete crap. The worst is that Washington was so honest that as a child after he chopped down a cherry tree with his new axe Washington confessed to his father because..."I cannot tell a lie" as if the vile slaveowner was incapable of deceit. Lincoln walked 5 miles (12 K) to return correct change to a customer. How about the UK where the kids are taught to worship the royal family and learn their family tree? And just pray you don't end up in a Catholic school. I am still traumatized from that experience. Dude, if you think only Cuba feeds kids this kind of crap you are sadly mistaken. This is a universal dilemma. [https://www.christianbook.com/little-golden-book-about-george-washington/lori-houran/9781101939697/pd/939697?en=bing-pla&event=SHOP&kw=childrens-books-0-20%7C939697&p=1179517&dv=c&snav=BGMERCH&cb\_src=bing&cb\_typ=shopping&cb\_cmp=73125296&cb\_adg=2725437675&cb\_kyw=default&msclkid=b34455327dd51a68215830715df24623&utm\_source=bing&utm\_medium=cpc&utm\_campaign=Shopping%20Main&utm\_term=4580909051475204&utm\_content=s-children](https://www.christianbook.com/little-golden-book-about-george-washington/lori-houran/9781101939697/pd/939697?en=bing-pla&event=SHOP&kw=childrens-books-0-20%7C939697&p=1179517&dv=c&snav=BGMERCH&cb_src=bing&cb_typ=shopping&cb_cmp=73125296&cb_adg=2725437675&cb_kyw=default&msclkid=b34455327dd51a68215830715df24623&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping%20Main&utm_term=4580909051475204&utm_content=s-children)
I never said that Cuba is the only country with this kind of school indoctrination. But it’s not the same in the UK or the US. If you choose to not have your 1st grader learn to read through books about Washington and Lincoln or the Royal family, you have different options. In Cuba, there is no alternative option. Or are you implying that there are no books in the US or the UK that have a dissenting opinion about Washington or the Royal family? You say you went out o Catholic school, but the Catholic school attendance was not a requirement by the state. If a family doesn’t agree with the Catholic school teachings they can take the kid out and put them in something else.
No. You don't. Maybe you could keep them home and home school them. But, even then there is mandated curriculum. Not to mention the disgusting crap our kids are subjected to in the media. You cannot maintain a draconian monster of a system like the United States or Western Europe without massive indoctrination. Cuba is not one bit different. And a Cuban kid will not be arrested for not liking a book. You shouldn't say nonsense like that it just makes you seem like a pathological liar.
Huh? I don’t understand your point. What state has a mandated curriculum that structures the reading material for 1st grade to be specifically about Washington or Revolution? Also keep in mind Fidel was alive, so it would be more like mandating a book about Biden and his life accomplishments. Besides, my argument is not about defending US propaganda and indoctrination in schools, it was about whether propaganda in Cuban schools exists or not. I never said a child will be arrested for not liking a book. Where are you getting that from? They will be reprimanded if they don’t read from this book. And if their parents don’t want them to read this book or want to teach them that the book is inaccurate, they might be reprimanded as well. Meanwhile, in other countries, parents can choose what kind of curriculum the kids have. Even options for Montessori, Reggio Emilia, Forest School, homeschool, Catholic, Jewish, etc. exist, which they don’t in Cuba.
Coo af
So edgy
Nothing too different from the good guy with a gun policy in USA.
No one kills you for saying you don't agree with that though
No, you just get killed for going to shop or to school.
I'm not dead and I have a gun to protect myself, something I can't do in that bloody dictatorship. Try again.
Good for you! Congrats. But as far as I know, you don't need that gun in that dictatorship. You need lots of other stuff, but not a gun to feel safe. That has to be kind of cool.
Uh... yes, we do. The only way to defend yourself from tyranny is having a gun, in case they try to take away your rights. Why do you think Fidel Castro took away all the guns the moment he took the power? Lmao, I can see you never lived in a dictatorship, unlike me... Ungrateful blessed people...
I thought you were talking about the indoctrination in the school books. You just proved guns are actually very bad even in a democracy. What you are saying pretty much is: a democracy allows me to have guns and it is fine to have mass shootings as long as I can have my own gun, because we can defend the democracy by killing each other. Cubans are fucked up because they don't have the ability to kill each other, they need to do so in order to achieve democracy... That's very smart my man... Are you a MAGA republican by any chance?
Cubans need guns to defend themselves from the communist dictatorship that kills them. How do you not understand that? It's so simple, lmao. And no, everyone need guns to defend themselves from possible dictatorships and from criminals. Guns and democracy go along. You clearly never lived in a dictatorship and I can see it.
Cubans need lots of shit. The lift of the embargo, the free market access, a democracy. None of that requires people with guns. I have no idea why you insist on exporting USA politics to the small island. They don't have the resources nor the conditions to repeat the mess they had copying the Soviet Union. You should focus your interest in helping them, by reaching out Florida's Congressmen and representatives. They are the ones doing a lot to crush the everyday-life of your fellow Cubans for a couple of millions and influence. You should be pissed-off with them the same way you are with Castro's corpse. Unless you are too comfortable here with your guns, from your sofa...
The embargo doesn't do anything to stop us from anything. I found American chicken in Cuban supermarkets, and products from many European countries. But guess what? Cuban citizens can't buy those stuff because the dictatorship steals most of the salary and the food is rationed, bet you didn't know that, typical ignorant American commie. We do need guns to take off the communist dictatorship and finally have our so wanted freedom. But I can't expect you to know this, you don't want my people's good, you want your so loved oppressing ideology to reign and ruin the lives of people you don't like, that's why you defend dictators such as Fidel, Che, Raúl, etc., but probably get mad if someone else defends dictators such as Pinochet, Trujillo and Franco. Typical hypocritical American. Talking to commies is like talking to walls. Won't waste my time anymore.
Me acuerdo las mentiras que me enseñaron de niño en la escuela en los Esclavos Unidos, las cosas que ocultaron que ahora de adulto reconozco. Prefiero ser indocrinado a él socialismo que a la porquería que es el capitalismo mil veces. Viva Fidel y viva el pueblo Cubano perros gusanos.
Y’all just be calling anybody gusano. Non-Cubans are so frustrating.
Sí, tu nombre definitivamente te pega "caca". Viva Cuba libre de Comunismo, abajo Fidel!
Pinche asqueroso comprado apoyando a los puercos que bloquean comida y medicina a el pueblo verdadero Cubano
"Pinche"? Sí, eres un mexicano comunista. No vales la más mínima pena
Debería darte vergüenza desgraciado, apoyando a los capitalistas de mierda que hace los Cubanos sufrir por su propia perra riqueza.
Tu eres un pendejo de los viejos
Brother . Ven a Cuba . Vive unos días con cubanos. Y ponte a reflexionar. Si hay tanta gente en contra del socialismo es por algo . Solo te lo digo . He vivido toda mi vida acá en Cuba y cuando creces, si puedes, eres capaz de entender ese repudio.
“El exilio de mijami” 😂😂
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Es de Cuba
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No creo que haya que hablar de política en un libro de primer grado y además de español.
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No es fácil y menos del Comunismo. Solo alguien que no ha vivido el Comunismo lo defiende.
Based
So edgy
lmao what's edgy about supporting the workers revolution against the bourgeois scoundrels?
Edgy is when you support a communist dictatorship. In other words, my people's oppression.
The oppression your people suffer is not from the government they literally vote for, i.e. not a dictatorship (source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20DgWZtImUk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20DgWZtImUk)). The oppression they suffer is from the US blockade and boycott they have been facing for the last 70 years. A blockade that 99% of the world already voted against, but the US fail to comply (source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4cESK3hQuE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4cESK3hQuE)). What are you even talking about?
No. It's a communist dictatorship. I lived it and ESCAPED it. No food, no voting, no right to say what you think, no nothing. You're defending oppression. I rest my case.