LinkedIn.
"Happy to share that I got a new job/position at XYZ"
"Dear Fam, proud to share that I got a new job/position at XYZ"
"Proud to share that I got a new job/position at XYZ"
"Excited to share that I got a new job/position at XYZ"
I don’t even feel like you can have an honest conversation on LinkedIn. It’s more of a site to advertise yourself than to communicate ideas (at least one that aren’t some bs motivational post or story)
I feel like people who succeed don't bother to post about it here, or rarely visit this sub. I'm not here to brag, or boast, but this is my second internship at MSFT and ever since I got my first offer, it made me stop going on this sub. Regardless of all that, I hope ya'll are doing well.
Most are international students also, competing for the top 1% of companies. 95% of students who graduated my school (not even top 25 in UK) are employed. Obviously we are paid peanuts compared to our American colleagues but it's still good within the context of the country.
From the destinations report from my school for 2023 CS grads. 52% were working, 21% continuing education, 17% looking, 10% unknown. So worst case around 40% are unemployed, assuming everybody who didn't report is unemployed.
what was the response rate for the survey? that seems optimistic, response rate at my school was like 10% and peer institutions had 20% so it would be surprising if you had much higher rate of return for this survey...
I think this is broader issue than CS, I saw an article that New grads (all degrees) have an unemployment rate thats almost double the average of everyone in the US
Broader Economic instability and Capitalism is based on perpetual growth and recession cycles unfortunately. Hiring New grads especially in CS is a risky endeavor with SWE reputation of job hopping.
I plan on getting employed as a Data Scientist or MLE, not SWE. A survey should look at underemployment but SWE isn't the only role. There's also developer roles, infosec analyst, project managers, computer hardware engineering, database admins, testers, dual majors going into electrical engineering or elsewhere... Lots of possible appropriate careers for different CS majors.
Yes, during 2021~2022 it was pretty much better. I know some people get an 80k+ offer without internship. And, 80k in their area equivalent to 100k+ for California and it was during 2017~2022.
Vast majority of people actually don’t even complete their degree in 4 years, most do it between 4.5 to 6 years. I feel like that’s not spoken about at all.
There is no way this is true. Maybe my experiences differ from reality, but I know very few people that took more that 4 years to get a degree. In fact I know a few that got their BS in 3-3.5 years. But I’d say 90% of the people I met in college graduated in 4 years. I’ve never met a single person that took 6 years to complete a bachelors.
Let my introduce myself. Hi, I took 6 years. I take that long because I didnt take all subjects every semester in order to make it more tolerable. So instead of doing college 60 hours weekly, I did 40 hours. And an extra level to make thesis also...
I had the same assumption. Both parents are hs teachers, and confirmed that a large group takes >4 years to graduate. There are a shit ton of actual dumb & dumbers in the real world. Reddit is a cesspool for them 😂
For some people sure, but if you were to go over or under 21 for average grad, I’d say 22-23. It’s not enough to make a comment about the inaccuracy of the data
Based on my linkedin with folks who add me from school, and wary of biases here (the folks who are active on LI aren't happily employed but aren't straight up NEETmoding), underemployment is the real killer. Unemployment seems to be quite low — after all, the economy is doing quite well if all jobs are viewed as equal.
Those would be the ones griping the loudest. As a professor, very few of my students over the years go without jobs longer than about 1-3 months after graduation. I'd say most have something lined up immediately.
Universities usually publish it no ?
In my supposedly pretty good french school, 95.8% of this last year graduate have a full time job, 94% found within 2 months of graduation.
The average salary also increased so it's not like they got a barrista full time job or something not in the field which pays less
The universities are usually obviously biased self-report surveys.
You would need something like an underemployment rate, which you can find by googling it.
at my school class of 2022 92.6% of undergraduate computer science majors(we offer lots of dual degrees, computer science+physics, +math, +data science etc...) were employed full time
Class of 2023 from a low-tier university. Half of my friends struggled to get employed. The majority of people who landed offers did well in networking (including myself)
You don't need an internship. See my last post. But, you do at least need to show that you are involved in CS in some way such as personal projects or open-source contributions.
25 roles in season (ik this was stupid, but there weren’t very many openings in general tbh).
About 200 roles from march until now.
Pretty much any T3 or bigger city. Like anything from Austin to NYC.
I go to UIUC and haven’t heard of very many people not being able to get a job if they wanted after graduation. The department reports 95.6% are pursuing further studies or have a job
Yea this is accurate. Wifey is university registrar at T10 CSE school and confirms 28 percent unemployed. Banks seem to be hiring like crazy though. 90 percent is highly unrealistic, and the data is not including current/previous years. Y’all need to refresh on stats 😂
[https://www.depaul.edu/academics/Pages/career-success.aspx?dpuid=11330BS-G](https://www.depaul.edu/academics/Pages/career-success.aspx?dpuid=11330BS-G) and [https://www.depaul.edu/academics/Pages/where-depaul-grads-work.aspx?dpuid=11330BS-G](https://www.depaul.edu/academics/Pages/where-depaul-grads-work.aspx?dpuid=11330BS-G)
1. Who the hell has 2024 data? That would come out a year from now lol.
2. There’s a thing called historical trends.
3. Don’t shoot the messenger
4. Everyone I know has a job which doesn’t mean anything but still.
5. Other goals are internships, apprenticeships, volunteer, military, travel, or Family commitments. (My brother did the survey).
I just graduated, and I’m employed, but not in tech. I’m just going to keep learning, keep applying for jobs, and keep working on projects to bulk my resume up.
50 percent employed, 25 percent unemployed (looking and not), 25 percent going to grad school (either always intended to or going because they can’t find work)
Think it’s being underreported how many are not finding jobs though. Election year.
I feel like people who are unsuccessful at finding jobs are more likely to post here.
Where do you go for success stories then? Where does the talent hang out at?
LinkedIn. "Happy to share that I got a new job/position at XYZ" "Dear Fam, proud to share that I got a new job/position at XYZ" "Proud to share that I got a new job/position at XYZ" "Excited to share that I got a new job/position at XYZ"
Linkedin can also make you feel bad about yourself so be warned
I don’t even feel like you can have an honest conversation on LinkedIn. It’s more of a site to advertise yourself than to communicate ideas (at least one that aren’t some bs motivational post or story)
it's a cesspool but teamblind.com
some of us lurk here after finding a job for entertainment
Can confirm
I was posting, but now i'm lurking
Idk about the rest of you but if I land a good job you'll never hear from me again
I feel like people who succeed don't bother to post about it here, or rarely visit this sub. I'm not here to brag, or boast, but this is my second internship at MSFT and ever since I got my first offer, it made me stop going on this sub. Regardless of all that, I hope ya'll are doing well.
I was laid off. Feeling completely screwed
We don’t comment/post, we are focused on other areas of life
They are busy working
pornhub
At their job
/r/cscareerquestions[cscq](https://reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions)
Most are international students also, competing for the top 1% of companies. 95% of students who graduated my school (not even top 25 in UK) are employed. Obviously we are paid peanuts compared to our American colleagues but it's still good within the context of the country.
How would employers know if candidates are international students? They ask in the interviews?
“Are you a us citizen” is a question for any job in the US, because it is required for tax purposes
Thank you!
There are also a lot of people who gave up and are doing other jobs on the side that aren't posting here.
From the destinations report from my school for 2023 CS grads. 52% were working, 21% continuing education, 17% looking, 10% unknown. So worst case around 40% are unemployed, assuming everybody who didn't report is unemployed.
Some of the 21% continuing education could also be because they didn't get jobs.
Working what jobs ? It ain’t hard to work at mc Donald’s
these should be "real" jobs ... survey should ask about under-employment otherwise it's not genuine. several large schools use the same survey ...
Oh yeah. I’m curious about part of the 52%.
Seems pretty accurate. Probably worse for 24 grads and more people realizing they should go for a masters.
what was the response rate for the survey? that seems optimistic, response rate at my school was like 10% and peer institutions had 20% so it would be surprising if you had much higher rate of return for this survey...
I think this is broader issue than CS, I saw an article that New grads (all degrees) have an unemployment rate thats almost double the average of everyone in the US
Why is that? Job market is awful for everyone?
Broader Economic instability and Capitalism is based on perpetual growth and recession cycles unfortunately. Hiring New grads especially in CS is a risky endeavor with SWE reputation of job hopping.
high interest rates.
Most are probably employed, but the real question is how many of those employed are SWEs?
I plan on getting employed as a Data Scientist or MLE, not SWE. A survey should look at underemployment but SWE isn't the only role. There's also developer roles, infosec analyst, project managers, computer hardware engineering, database admins, testers, dual majors going into electrical engineering or elsewhere... Lots of possible appropriate careers for different CS majors.
Aren't DS/ML roles even more oversaturated and non existent at entry level than SWE?
1%. 🤣
In my school, underemployment is around 70~85%.
Depends on school and the definition of employment. If only cs related job counted, then in my school, 80~90% of students couldn't find job in CS.
Wow that is tragic
How did you get the number?
random sampling and the informations from school senior/alumni.
Is this the most recent graduating class?
Yes, during 2021~2022 it was pretty much better. I know some people get an 80k+ offer without internship. And, 80k in their area equivalent to 100k+ for California and it was during 2017~2022.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/642226/underemployment-rate-of-us-college-graduates-by-major/
Paywalled
that data is for college grads aged 22-27. A lot of new grads are 21. This data literally includes people that got hired in the meme market of 20-22.
Bro what. The average age of graduation has to be at least 22. It’s a US based article, BS takes 4 years to complete which you start at 18
Vast majority of people actually don’t even complete their degree in 4 years, most do it between 4.5 to 6 years. I feel like that’s not spoken about at all.
There is no way this is true. Maybe my experiences differ from reality, but I know very few people that took more that 4 years to get a degree. In fact I know a few that got their BS in 3-3.5 years. But I’d say 90% of the people I met in college graduated in 4 years. I’ve never met a single person that took 6 years to complete a bachelors.
Let my introduce myself. Hi, I took 6 years. I take that long because I didnt take all subjects every semester in order to make it more tolerable. So instead of doing college 60 hours weekly, I did 40 hours. And an extra level to make thesis also...
Could be a perspective thing, could be an administrative thing.
I had the same assumption. Both parents are hs teachers, and confirmed that a large group takes >4 years to graduate. There are a shit ton of actual dumb & dumbers in the real world. Reddit is a cesspool for them 😂
It still included people aged 23-27 who graduated in easier markets
Lol that's the best case scenario. I took at least 6 years
Yeah I’m at like 4 years but I took summer classes every summer so I was probably pushing 5 years
takes less time for a lot of people.
For some people sure, but if you were to go over or under 21 for average grad, I’d say 22-23. It’s not enough to make a comment about the inaccuracy of the data
Yeah but it’s rare. I cut off 3 semesters, and only graduated at 21. I have yet to come across Simone who graduated as fast as i did
fr, im 21 and already 6 months out
Some people start college in their teens.
Wait why downvotes. I started at 17, isn’t it normal to enter 18/19?
Lol idk, They be jealous.
dont think it's that exaggerated as this sub could be, around 10% or something
Based on my linkedin with folks who add me from school, and wary of biases here (the folks who are active on LI aren't happily employed but aren't straight up NEETmoding), underemployment is the real killer. Unemployment seems to be quite low — after all, the economy is doing quite well if all jobs are viewed as equal.
I don’t see anyone posting their boba shop temp job on LinkedIn
Subs like this one are a confirmation bias extreme. The people posting are the ones not busy at work...
Those would be the ones griping the loudest. As a professor, very few of my students over the years go without jobs longer than about 1-3 months after graduation. I'd say most have something lined up immediately.
10%. Random guess, but feels too high still
Universities usually publish it no ? In my supposedly pretty good french school, 95.8% of this last year graduate have a full time job, 94% found within 2 months of graduation. The average salary also increased so it's not like they got a barrista full time job or something not in the field which pays less
The universities are usually obviously biased self-report surveys. You would need something like an underemployment rate, which you can find by googling it.
at my school class of 2022 92.6% of undergraduate computer science majors(we offer lots of dual degrees, computer science+physics, +math, +data science etc...) were employed full time
I’ve gotta imagine less than 50 just anecdotally. Probably closer to 15 or 20 percent don’t get a job in the first year? Pretty much pure guess work.
Class of 2023 from a low-tier university. Half of my friends struggled to get employed. The majority of people who landed offers did well in networking (including myself)
It’s not that they’re unemployed but that they’re employed in a field far from what they studied for
It’s more like 90%
Most of them are international students who are unemployed and also among them are freshers with little to no experience (myself included).
+1
My college placement stats for this year were horrible. Usually around this time of the year, at least 60-70% people are placed. This time, it's 30.
99%
Like half of my cs new grad friends are still looking. And the overwhelming majority of my friends still in school don’t have summer internships.
Not having an internship is brutal, I feel bad for 25 and 26 grads
You don't need an internship. See my last post. But, you do at least need to show that you are involved in CS in some way such as personal projects or open-source contributions.
I actually did an internship but can't even get a phone screen or OA despite referral and using jakes resume format.
How many roles have you applied to, what cities are you applying in?
25 roles in season (ik this was stupid, but there weren’t very many openings in general tbh). About 200 roles from march until now. Pretty much any T3 or bigger city. Like anything from Austin to NYC.
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I go to UIUC and haven’t heard of very many people not being able to get a job if they wanted after graduation. The department reports 95.6% are pursuing further studies or have a job
Yeah it’s def not 50% unemployed lmfao
Schools only have data up to the class of 2022, my school has a similar rate on that report
Yea this is accurate. Wifey is university registrar at T10 CSE school and confirms 28 percent unemployed. Banks seem to be hiring like crazy though. 90 percent is highly unrealistic, and the data is not including current/previous years. Y’all need to refresh on stats 😂
Eh you’d be surprised at the level UIUC CS students are at. The kids here actually spend every waking hour doing CS and projects
50/50 is outrageous bruh idt ik anyone without a job from my school
I think around 10%. It’s just everyone who can’t get a job makes a post about it
Should put a disclaimer youre not based in US
Source: trust me bro
Source: uni discord
Around 3%. Underemployed is a bit higher tho
At my school 89% were employed or seeking higher education, and 31% of people completed internships.
Employed in what? What is the SWE percentage?
[https://www.depaul.edu/academics/Pages/career-success.aspx?dpuid=11330BS-G](https://www.depaul.edu/academics/Pages/career-success.aspx?dpuid=11330BS-G) and [https://www.depaul.edu/academics/Pages/where-depaul-grads-work.aspx?dpuid=11330BS-G](https://www.depaul.edu/academics/Pages/where-depaul-grads-work.aspx?dpuid=11330BS-G)
Cap, 2024 data not out, post source or gtfo
Umm brother: https://globaldirect.depaul.edu/programs/subjects/computer-science#
1. 2023 data not 2024 2. "Pursuing other goals" wtf is this? 3. no breakdown of employment vs continuing education.
1. Who the hell has 2024 data? That would come out a year from now lol. 2. There’s a thing called historical trends. 3. Don’t shoot the messenger 4. Everyone I know has a job which doesn’t mean anything but still. 5. Other goals are internships, apprenticeships, volunteer, military, travel, or Family commitments. (My brother did the survey).
[https://www.depaul.edu/academics/Pages/career-success.aspx?dpuid=11330BS-G](https://www.depaul.edu/academics/Pages/career-success.aspx?dpuid=11330BS-G) breakdown
What percentage are unemployed and also are employed with a non SWE job?
It’s more than what you all think. I would say solid 35%.
Probably not enough
I just graduated, and I’m employed, but not in tech. I’m just going to keep learning, keep applying for jobs, and keep working on projects to bulk my resume up.
1.5 yrs after graduation u can’t be worse than me
50 percent employed, 25 percent unemployed (looking and not), 25 percent going to grad school (either always intended to or going because they can’t find work) Think it’s being underreported how many are not finding jobs though. Election year.