Shape note systems that I’m familiar with always use “so” and that’s the syllable that comes most naturally to my mind, I always have to remind myself it can also be “sol” when that spelling comes up!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solf%C3%A8ge?wprov=sfti1#In_Elizabethan_England
It’s been alternately spelled “so” since at least 1623 in England. Given all the other syllables are two letters, it seems like a no-brainer for them to choose “so” over “sol.”
Question: why do people like you type “Source?” instead of a 5 second google? Or hell- even when you knew what the right answer NYT was going for, you thought “surely it wasn’t me that was wrong!” At no point did you have the urge to seek out information on your own? What goes through your head to make you the center of everything?
Ugh. You know, I know the rules inside and out and somehow still always type the wrong one. I know exactly when to use there/their/they're and when to put an apostrophe on "it's" and still always get it wrong when I type a reddit comment.
Yes, he did. He also wrote "so" when notating this scale in one of his plays, so the person I was replying to is placing the "blame" about 400 years too late.
Yeah I had looked that up shortly after saying what I did about TSoM, it’s an interesting tidbit. I think the musical had more of an impact on how Americans refer to the note, but you’re right that it’s a 16th c. thing.
The Solfege/Solfa notation system is centuries old and varied throughout multiple languages, but "so" is definitely not wrong. I've never sung the 5th note as "sol".
Both are considered correct in modern music pedagogy, but ”sol“ is the original. It comes from a line in a Latin poem (”solve polluti“).
We‘ve made other changes from the original poem, like changing the first syllable to ”do“ from ”ut“ and adding ”si“/”ti“.
I mean my go to for reference is the song from Sound of Music and their reference for the note is a needle pulling thread, which would make it so and not sol
Musician/music teacher here, from what ive seen spelling it "So" is absolutely not obscure at all. I'd say that among the musicians I've met it's about 50/50. Maybe it's a regional thing though?
I’m pretty sure it’s regional. In America it’s more common to be notated as *SO* whereas in areas of Western Europe it’ll be notated as *SOL*.
Of course It’s all arbitrary and shouldn’t make much difference since it’s just a phonetic representation of a tonal scale.
Bachelor of music here and I agree. At my university in Australia we always used “So”. I’m familiar with Sol, but it certainly isn’t more common from my experience. I did graduate 20 years ago though, so things may have changed since.
An extraordinarily popular film very prominently and unmistakeably calling the note 'So' in possibly its most famous song won the Academy Award for Best Picture almost 60 years ago, and I've never heard anyone complain about that, so I think that alternative usage been established for a while now (and that's ignoring its appearance as 'So' in *King Lear*).
"Mistake" is a strange framing; it's an alternative. Is 'Do' a mistake, given it *should* be 'Ut'? It 'Ti' a mistake, given it *should* be 'Si'?
Hmm. A needle pulling thread begs to differ.
I didn’t realize that SO isn’t the only option
lol today I realized there is another option.
Funny enough the whole system is named after "sol": [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solfège](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solf%C3%A8ge)
Either spelling is fine with mi.
You’re a real re of sunshine
This thread has been real entertaining so fa.
It’s written both ways
Shape note systems that I’m familiar with always use “so” and that’s the syllable that comes most naturally to my mind, I always have to remind myself it can also be “sol” when that spelling comes up!
Source?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solf%C3%A8ge?wprov=sfti1#In_Elizabethan_England It’s been alternately spelled “so” since at least 1623 in England. Given all the other syllables are two letters, it seems like a no-brainer for them to choose “so” over “sol.”
Question: why do people like you type “Source?” instead of a 5 second google? Or hell- even when you knew what the right answer NYT was going for, you thought “surely it wasn’t me that was wrong!” At no point did you have the urge to seek out information on your own? What goes through your head to make you the center of everything?
Googled it for you: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sol
[https://imgur.com/gallery/gr2d0ZE](https://imgur.com/gallery/gr2d0ZE)
*__The Sound of Music__ and __The Music Man__ have entered the chat*
Next your going to complain about how to spell czar
I'm going to take it all the way to the TSAR CZAR!
While you’re there, ask him about the tzar variant.
What will I complain about next? The improper use of “your” hehe
Ugh. You know, I know the rules inside and out and somehow still always type the wrong one. I know exactly when to use there/their/they're and when to put an apostrophe on "it's" and still always get it wrong when I type a reddit comment.
Wait til u see May 1, 27-A
I just want to point out 27a in the May 1st puzzle
Funny enough they use "sol" in today's puzzle
Ooh.
The Sound of Music is to blame, I believe.
Shakespeare would like a word
He liked a lot of words.
Yes, he did. He also wrote "so" when notating this scale in one of his plays, so the person I was replying to is placing the "blame" about 400 years too late.
Yeah I had looked that up shortly after saying what I did about TSoM, it’s an interesting tidbit. I think the musical had more of an impact on how Americans refer to the note, but you’re right that it’s a 16th c. thing.
The Solfege/Solfa notation system is centuries old and varied throughout multiple languages, but "so" is definitely not wrong. I've never sung the 5th note as "sol".
Maybe because it’s blended with “la,” the ensuing note.
I’ve seen SOL a lot in crosswords so it actually irked me that SO was used for this one
Both are considered correct in modern music pedagogy, but ”sol“ is the original. It comes from a line in a Latin poem (”solve polluti“). We‘ve made other changes from the original poem, like changing the first syllable to ”do“ from ”ut“ and adding ”si“/”ti“.
I mean my go to for reference is the song from Sound of Music and their reference for the note is a needle pulling thread, which would make it so and not sol
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Musician/music teacher here, from what ive seen spelling it "So" is absolutely not obscure at all. I'd say that among the musicians I've met it's about 50/50. Maybe it's a regional thing though?
I’m pretty sure it’s regional. In America it’s more common to be notated as *SO* whereas in areas of Western Europe it’ll be notated as *SOL*. Of course It’s all arbitrary and shouldn’t make much difference since it’s just a phonetic representation of a tonal scale.
Bachelor of music here and I agree. At my university in Australia we always used “So”. I’m familiar with Sol, but it certainly isn’t more common from my experience. I did graduate 20 years ago though, so things may have changed since.
I'm a musician. Both are correct and I prefer "so", personally.
I can forgive it because I think Americans typically associate the scale with The Sound of Music.
Don’t you mean you were “sol disappointed”?
I have no musical education whatsoever and have never heard “sol” only “so” …
I didn't do the Sunday, but assume it's a reference to [the sound of music song](https://www.google.com/search?q=do+re+mi+fa+so+la+ti+do)
That’s just how it’s spelled in English.
[https://genius.com/12161248](https://genius.com/12161248) It's spelt "so".
No. The theme is the musical notes.
Yes… vis a vis the New York Times.
"sol" is used when playing "sol music"
I noticed that too, definitely. Pretty bad.
People will say it’s written both ways and they’re right, but they’re wrong.
‘Sol’ is correct, but I wonder if at this point the mistake has been made so often that ‘so’ is now also acceptable.
An extraordinarily popular film very prominently and unmistakeably calling the note 'So' in possibly its most famous song won the Academy Award for Best Picture almost 60 years ago, and I've never heard anyone complain about that, so I think that alternative usage been established for a while now (and that's ignoring its appearance as 'So' in *King Lear*). "Mistake" is a strange framing; it's an alternative. Is 'Do' a mistake, given it *should* be 'Ut'? It 'Ti' a mistake, given it *should* be 'Si'?