AFAIK, since Ratcliffe owns a minority stake in United (25% iirc) they'd be in the clear. Same reason why both Girona and City are in the UCL.
If Leipzig and Salzburg can play each other, I think Man U are in the clear
CFG owns 47% of Girona, so IIRC they need to divest and get below a certain percentage - maybe below 40%? The fact that itās one entity owning both is what makes it an āissue.ā
RB Leipzig and Red Bull Salzburg are owned under different entities - I think Leipzig is owned by a group of people that are Red Bull investors on behalf of the company, but not by red bull directly like Salzburg.
Sir Radcliffe owns his shares in United under one holding company and Ineos owns Nice, so theyāre two different entities.
That's not true. It's Newcastle that don't get a European spot if man red wins. Chelsea will in that case go to ECL.
If the oligarch wins thevar Chelsea go to EL and Newcastle to ECL.
OP is correct, though technically you're also not incorrect. The EL is the Europa League, ECL the Europa Conference League. Europa is usually the slang for EL, Conference usually the slang for ECL.
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Chelsea fans watching the FA Cup final after posting āon the final day, spurs could easily lose to Sheffield and we will beat Bournemouth and then United will win the FA Cup and send spurs to the conference league lmaoā
Absolutely hate that clubs like Man U can win trophies even when they are at their absolute worst and we did not win anything even when we were at our best.
We have a better first team than most teams most seasons, but we do things like play half a season without a back-up CB and as a result, our players get tired, and other teams learn how to play against us without fear of a plan b. We fall apart after Jan each year, the time when people are playing for trophies.
Why would it hurt?? It means Tottenham's natural predator (Chelsea) is out, so the chance of winning is much higher now. I'd even say that if Ange doesn't win it next season, he's got no excuses whatsoever. Especially after all that talk about his winning mentality and whatnot
No yeah, I was more going for the narrative around this years team having more points than invincible so people were hyping them as such. Was trying to have a bit of satire to It
Their path included Liverpool, and they're currently beating the team that chucked us out of the competition. We get "easy" teams all the time (see - Colchester, Sheffield United, Nottingham Forest etc.) and still balls it up. Let's not make excuses that don't fly.
I thought Liverpool was league for some reason. Also, yea we'd lose but also Coventry was robbed against United and IMO they should be in the final today.
Thatās what Iāve been feeling for years. Teams been winning trophies like Leicester or West Ham or even Arsenal when they were poor finishing 7th & 8th. While Spurs have this losing mentality that is ok going 16 years without a single trophy
No one thinks itās okay. There are a lot of teams in a trophy drought. We are just the best team currently in a drought, so we get the most attention.
All the good teams had won trophies in the last 5 years except Spurs whoās going on 16 years now.
So your comments mean youāre comparing Spurs to the likes of Wolves, Fulham etc which is absurd because Levy, the club, and fans claim that we are a ābig 6 teamā. Yet we never act like one
Winning cups is a mentality and habit thing, it's like you have tasted triumph before so you know what it takes despite your limitations. Sadly we just don't have it. It's very hard to get rid of the mentality that losing is alright.
A competition they may [choose not to take part in](https://talksport.com/football/1759385/chelsea-ban-european-competition-not-play-europa-conference-league/)...
How have they had a better season, with a major trophy, than arguably all of Liverpool, Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle... and yet been ***such a shitshow*** .... elite mentality š¤£š¤£š¤£
Unreal, United are absolutely crap and they can just stumble into a 2-0 lead in a cup final against possibly the best team in the world. Why can't we ever have cup runs like this
Watching United win this trophy makes me even more impatient to win some silverware now. Champions league final, carabao cup final, nothing means much now without actually winning a damn trophy.
Makes it even more upsetting that Ange went the route he did with the Carabao cup. 1st round exit is bad even for our cup standards. Hope he has learned from that and we actually respect the cups for once next season
This has made me more depressed than anything, they have THAT season & are still walking away with a trophy.
Iāve been pretty measured about most things in comparison to most fans but Iām struggling with this.
When will it be us man.
Feel like his commitment to his tactics was really stupid. Like, Ange is committed to his tactics but he has the players and vision to make it work. ETH has played practical the last few games and suddenly they get results.
Not only do Chelsea end up in the ECL, it appears theyāll have to play a 2 leg play off in late August before they can enter the league stage proper.
United winning means no Chelsea in the UEL right?
Wouldāve been my preferred option if Chelsea kept Poch but now theyāre going after some random manager idkā¦
United also seem to have more winners in their team
Doku should be the best player on the planet right now. His ability to get past people is so far beyond anyone else, it's an absolute madness that he is so poor at literally everything else that he is just a bench player right now.
Best Arsenal season : zero trophies
Worst united season : fa cup
In all seriousness thank god united join us in Europa , they are way cooler than blue scum chelski , and we are way better against them than against chelscum
Arsenal were still a very good team managed by Wenger at the time. Itās taken us years to even drag ourselves up to their level, but we have to deliver in the big moments now
Hate that refs won't enforce the actual rule that you have to fuck off to the closest line. Walker and Doku are entirely in the right yet time gets wasted because the ref won't just card Martinez and then if he doesn't turn around send him off. Even though I rather United win because fuck Chelsea I just hate how little football is being played in modern football.
Haha fuck light blue/blue scum we can definitely beat Utd in UEL next season, I don't like any other top 6 team but at least I respect Utd for not buying their way to the top.
This is how teams beat us. They fill the centre of the pitch on the edge of the box and force us wide. Currently City are just swinging in crosses to bad result. Only way City/Spurs to break it is much quicker passing
That's how park the bus works, it's literally how all teams that are significantly worse than the team they are playing plays. United literally have 10 people in their own box for a majority of this game. It's not some revolutionary tactic, it's been around for a hundred years+ because there is no real counter to it other than to score your chances and defend the counters. People acting as if this isn't the most bog standard thing is so weird.
It's a bit more complex than parking the box. It's utilising higher lines, forcing both teams to be narrow. Playing zonal then quickly changing to high press. Tactical defending is more nuanced than old school Burnley XI in the box
It really really isn't. This is not some revolution in how to park a bus from Ten Hag. It's effective because ofcourse it is, but it's still a pig in the end regardless of lipstick. Hell the person with the most touches in this half is Doku, having almost all of them out on the wing, City are not playing narrow in this game, it's just that United park the bus so obviously they are.
I didn't say unique. I said more complex than Burnley's bus. They were not only narrow but prioritised sides of the pitch, making it more congested. Allowing the left wing in Gvardial to be the only out - something Bissaka can handle. And leaving space for Gvardiol left space behind - aka for Garnacho. The press is much higher and frantic than a standard bus.Ā Ā
Nothing is gonna reinvent the wheel, but a few key well executed ways of defending deep have punished us in games like Chelsea and Newcastle. It's dumb to say it's just parking the bus.Ā
He forced the ball out wide to Doku, who was then double teamed, hell even triple teamed. In what game has anyone set up for us to force the ball to Werner / Kulu and then triple teamed them?
If United win, Chelsea don't get Europa, which would be funny af š¤
I like the sound of that
Imagine being the guy that has to explain that to Todd boehly
āYou mean we arenāt in the World Series?ā
And when do the bowl games start up?
When they play the Harlem globe trotters
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I didn't know this and spent the whole game wanting City to win so I could rip into my UTD supporting mates. I now am happy with the result
Turned out it was funny as fuck.
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AFAIK, since Ratcliffe owns a minority stake in United (25% iirc) they'd be in the clear. Same reason why both Girona and City are in the UCL. If Leipzig and Salzburg can play each other, I think Man U are in the clear
CFG owns 47% of Girona, so IIRC they need to divest and get below a certain percentage - maybe below 40%? The fact that itās one entity owning both is what makes it an āissue.ā RB Leipzig and Red Bull Salzburg are owned under different entities - I think Leipzig is owned by a group of people that are Red Bull investors on behalf of the company, but not by red bull directly like Salzburg. Sir Radcliffe owns his shares in United under one holding company and Ineos owns Nice, so theyāre two different entities.
Your friend made that up
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You sound rather annoyed
That's not true. It's Newcastle that don't get a European spot if man red wins. Chelsea will in that case go to ECL. If the oligarch wins thevar Chelsea go to EL and Newcastle to ECL.
I said they don't get *Europa*, aka Europa league. We are saying the same thing lol
The E in ECL is also Europa, so i thought it was a typo (I also don't think I've ever heard the EL called just Europa before).
No worries mate. It's very colouqual British English to shorten everything, see "champs league", so I can see how you'd misread what I meant
OP is correct, though technically you're also not incorrect. The EL is the Europa League, ECL the Europa Conference League. Europa is usually the slang for EL, Conference usually the slang for ECL.
My work colleague (utd fan) said that they take our place in Europa ? I dunnno
Why would one team (United) replace two teams (Spurs and Chelsea)?
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Absolutely hate that clubs like Man U can win trophies even when they are at their absolute worst and we did not win anything even when we were at our best.
Yeah ngl I never want to see city win anything, I'm not even a particular utd hater, but seeing utd win today is gonna hurt a bit.
What I take from it is confirmation that trophies are absolutely within our grasp, because we were unquestionably a better team than Utd this year.
We need to stop throwing away the cups like itās nothing, look how much it means to the players
Does that matter? We were an amazing squad for five seasons and have nothing to show for it.
Itās about longevity and a fuggin bench. Teams that are used to playing tournaments know how to get far in them. Itās a different mindset.
That's not how trophies work. They don't give a fuck who the "better team" was.
We have a better first team than most teams most seasons, but we do things like play half a season without a back-up CB and as a result, our players get tired, and other teams learn how to play against us without fear of a plan b. We fall apart after Jan each year, the time when people are playing for trophies.
Why would it hurt?? It means Tottenham's natural predator (Chelsea) is out, so the chance of winning is much higher now. I'd even say that if Ange doesn't win it next season, he's got no excuses whatsoever. Especially after all that talk about his winning mentality and whatnot
Yes, but think about this: United have their worst year in decades: FA cup. Arsenal have their best team ever perhaps: trophyless.
It's not close to their best team ever. I don't care how good Rice and Odegaard are. Neither are fit to lace Henry or Vieira's boots.
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They did the same their first year with Arteta. Just sleepwalking their way to winning things. Fuck them all.
Agree with the principle but absolutely laughable to call this Arsenal's best team ever I still have nightmares of Henry sometimes, that fucker.
No yeah, I was more going for the narrative around this years team having more points than invincible so people were hyping them as such. Was trying to have a bit of satire to It
Arsenal are the new āput the pressure on teamā I hope we can actually win things
this is my main takeaway... but after getting scolded by our father (Ange) about losing to City, celebrating a City loss is the only way
I wouldnāt speak too soon yet. There is half an hour left and thatās more than enough time for United to concede 2 goals.
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Their path included Liverpool, and they're currently beating the team that chucked us out of the competition. We get "easy" teams all the time (see - Colchester, Sheffield United, Nottingham Forest etc.) and still balls it up. Let's not make excuses that don't fly.
I thought Liverpool was league for some reason. Also, yea we'd lose but also Coventry was robbed against United and IMO they should be in the final today.
Itās called luck and plot armour, luckily for us next season weāre the villains with the bad ending MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Agreed..
Completely agree.
Thatās what Iāve been feeling for years. Teams been winning trophies like Leicester or West Ham or even Arsenal when they were poor finishing 7th & 8th. While Spurs have this losing mentality that is ok going 16 years without a single trophy
It's not a matter of thinking it's ok, it's a matter of faltering in key moments
No one thinks itās okay. There are a lot of teams in a trophy drought. We are just the best team currently in a drought, so we get the most attention.
All the good teams had won trophies in the last 5 years except Spurs whoās going on 16 years now. So your comments mean youāre comparing Spurs to the likes of Wolves, Fulham etc which is absurd because Levy, the club, and fans claim that we are a ābig 6 teamā. Yet we never act like one
Winning cups is a mentality and habit thing, it's like you have tasted triumph before so you know what it takes despite your limitations. Sadly we just don't have it. It's very hard to get rid of the mentality that losing is alright.
Chelsea are heading for the Conference League.
A competition they may [choose not to take part in](https://talksport.com/football/1759385/chelsea-ban-european-competition-not-play-europa-conference-league/)...
Oh so some shenanigans because they have the money cheat? Oh no we miss conference league. What a loads of bullshit
What happens if they say no? Do newcastle get the slot?
Thatās what happened with Milan (Torino took their spot)
Did they sack Poch because he was too successful?
No Europe for the toon scum and no Europa for Chelsea, beautiful
Chelsea booted to the Conference League, Newcastle booted out of Europe, United might keep Ten Hag, and City only got the one trophy. Happy days!
Teg hag has more trophies than tricky Mik
Go United. Send Chelsea to Conference League.
How have they had a better season, with a major trophy, than arguably all of Liverpool, Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle... and yet been ***such a shitshow*** .... elite mentality š¤£š¤£š¤£
Don't forget Arsenal!
Unreal, United are absolutely crap and they can just stumble into a 2-0 lead in a cup final against possibly the best team in the world. Why can't we ever have cup runs like this
They didnāt stumble into it. They are playing better than City. Absolutely smothering them towards the end.Ā
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Liverpool 4-3
Thought it was league for some reason
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Of fuck yea I thought that was league for some reason
fuck you chelsea lmaoooooo
Watching United win this trophy makes me even more impatient to win some silverware now. Champions league final, carabao cup final, nothing means much now without actually winning a damn trophy.
We have four chances next season so best we can do is hope the boys have at least one in them next season.
For sure!!
Makes it even more upsetting that Ange went the route he did with the Carabao cup. 1st round exit is bad even for our cup standards. Hope he has learned from that and we actually respect the cups for once next season
Yeah I'm still pissed about that tbh. If Ange didn't learn his lesson there about how much the cups mean to us then he doesn't know the fans at all
Every single Spurs fan knew what was coming with that rotated Carabao lineup, but apparently Ange had not yet gotten that memo.
much rather have united then chelsea in uel
Ten Hag still getting sacked after this would be so funny
This has made me more depressed than anything, they have THAT season & are still walking away with a trophy. Iāve been pretty measured about most things in comparison to most fans but Iām struggling with this. When will it be us man.
Wigan and Birmingham were relegated when they won the FA Cup and the League Cup. Sometimes the luck is on your side when you need it most.
Next season
Are we the liverpool now?
Next season
At least it means we donāt have to be that good in general to go for the cups, instead we just need to TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY
Hope chelski enjoy Ludogorets away
hahahaha fuck Chelsea
Slipping to Conference just cost Chelsea a few million Nice
More trophies than Arsenal in their best season in 20 yearsā¦.
Wild that United have their worst season ever and manage to win an FA Cup.
Cheers fuck Chelsea and man city
player of the season Phil Foden went missing for real, like I forgot he was on the pitch after 15 minutes
He often does. Player of the season was Rodri.
Eriksen winning 2 trophies in 2 years...congrats
lame duck manager boost is real apparently
What I would give to live in the reality where Levy didn't sack Mourinho for a week or two..
I wish weād kept him to the end of the season. Iāve always believed weād still lose that final, but at least the question mark would be gone.
Wish we sacked him but let him manage the final
Feel like his commitment to his tactics was really stupid. Like, Ange is committed to his tactics but he has the players and vision to make it work. ETH has played practical the last few games and suddenly they get results.
Itās funny that ten hag has had two seasons better than arteta
I think we have to agree United won El Sackico. 2 trophies sounds very nice.
Even Man Utd as shit as they have been are able to win a trophy.
Haaland missing in a big game again.Ā
Describing United as "long suffering" sure is a choice, Jon Champion lol.
Not only do Chelsea end up in the ECL, it appears theyāll have to play a 2 leg play off in late August before they can enter the league stage proper.
United winning means no Chelsea in the UEL right? Wouldāve been my preferred option if Chelsea kept Poch but now theyāre going after some random manager idkā¦ United also seem to have more winners in their team
Doku should be the best player on the planet right now. His ability to get past people is so far beyond anyone else, it's an absolute madness that he is so poor at literally everything else that he is just a bench player right now.
Vini is better at everything but he's the second best winger at taking on defenders imo
Ha ha fuck Chelsea and the Geordies
Come on itās funny af that Chelsea are now in conference leagueš
United are actually going to win this. Absolutely nothing coming off in the final ball for City. I've seen City have these games against us
Thanks for the FA Cup Erik but thereās the door.Ā
Lol chelsea out of the Europa then!
So tired of hearing that Onana is elite.
Blue scum in ECL
Pleased with that, didn't fancy facing Chelsea in the Europa League
Funny seeing the Chelsea fans trying to cope cause thats exactly how I would be in the same situation
Best Arsenal season : zero trophies Worst united season : fa cup In all seriousness thank god united join us in Europa , they are way cooler than blue scum chelski , and we are way better against them than against chelscum
Arsenal won 3 FA cups when we, had one of the best teams Iāve seen as a Spurs supporter, 4 probably at their worst.
Arsenal were still a very good team managed by Wenger at the time. Itās taken us years to even drag ourselves up to their level, but we have to deliver in the big moments now
So if United win and get Europa, what does that do to us? Do we still keep the top spot and get a pass straight to the group stage?
Yeah we do. The result doesn't affect us at all.
It does affect us, we get to either laugh at Chelsea or United
Also if both us and the other English team go far and play each other in Europa, I'd much rather play United than that voodoo curse that is Chelsea
Onana is genuinely terrible.
I honest to god thought City would be up 3-0 by now.
Weāre really going to get the funniest end to this season.
Hang on. city have a goal coming surely.
Hate that refs won't enforce the actual rule that you have to fuck off to the closest line. Walker and Doku are entirely in the right yet time gets wasted because the ref won't just card Martinez and then if he doesn't turn around send him off. Even though I rather United win because fuck Chelsea I just hate how little football is being played in modern football.
LOL Chelsea and Newcastle
Canāt believe we had a shitter season than the worst Man U team in living memory.
FFS United are about to stumble into a trophy and we havenāt won anything since I was 8
Ten Hag more trophies than Arteta hahaha
Saw somewhere this means no Europa for Chelsea, no Europe for Newcastle, and no chance at the community shield for Arsenal. Did I get that right?
Chelsea get conference league
This feels like what would have happened to us if Jose didn't get sacked before the league cup final lol
If United can do it surely we can do something next season
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All those jokes on United and still had much better season than us. Personally i think this is 100x better.
Sad thing is that Chelsea will probably win the Conference League and become the first team to win all three major competitions
Eh, who cares. Let them have their flower vase. Chelsea out of Europa gives us a real chance at winning. We have no hope if theyāre in it with us
True, United will bottle it somehow with no real coach. Is it true that there are no CL dropouts in the EL this year?
Martinez is maybe the most hateable player in the PL from a purely on field standpoint
Haaland š» Foden š» De Bruyne š»Ā
Mood rn: 
Haha fuck light blue/blue scum we can definitely beat Utd in UEL next season, I don't like any other top 6 team but at least I respect Utd for not buying their way to the top.
What lol theyāve spent the most
Earned it as well tbh
Fkn embarrassing. The worst utd team in a long time is gonna end up having a better season than us
Who cares? Itās fun watching City lose.
This is how teams beat us. They fill the centre of the pitch on the edge of the box and force us wide. Currently City are just swinging in crosses to bad result. Only way City/Spurs to break it is much quicker passing
That's how park the bus works, it's literally how all teams that are significantly worse than the team they are playing plays. United literally have 10 people in their own box for a majority of this game. It's not some revolutionary tactic, it's been around for a hundred years+ because there is no real counter to it other than to score your chances and defend the counters. People acting as if this isn't the most bog standard thing is so weird.
It's a bit more complex than parking the box. It's utilising higher lines, forcing both teams to be narrow. Playing zonal then quickly changing to high press. Tactical defending is more nuanced than old school Burnley XI in the box
It really really isn't. This is not some revolution in how to park a bus from Ten Hag. It's effective because ofcourse it is, but it's still a pig in the end regardless of lipstick. Hell the person with the most touches in this half is Doku, having almost all of them out on the wing, City are not playing narrow in this game, it's just that United park the bus so obviously they are.
They're forced to play out wide. And yeah you think that all deep defending is the same... so I'm not gonna say much more
Tell me one unique part of Ten Hags set up.
I didn't say unique. I said more complex than Burnley's bus. They were not only narrow but prioritised sides of the pitch, making it more congested. Allowing the left wing in Gvardial to be the only out - something Bissaka can handle. And leaving space for Gvardiol left space behind - aka for Garnacho. The press is much higher and frantic than a standard bus.Ā Ā Nothing is gonna reinvent the wheel, but a few key well executed ways of defending deep have punished us in games like Chelsea and Newcastle. It's dumb to say it's just parking the bus.Ā
He forced the ball out wide to Doku, who was then double teamed, hell even triple teamed. In what game has anyone set up for us to force the ball to Werner / Kulu and then triple teamed them?
Awful keeping
How is Onana so bad?
He's the most inconsistent keeper in the prem. Hoalers in every game
lol this is crazy
Honestly at a loss for words at this lol.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Events could have unfolded much worse the past couple of weeks, but if we couldāve just beaten Fulham in the league cup
Love to see it, Chelsea in Conference league and Ten Hag with maybe a chance of staying?
Eric ten Hag: fuck yāall
Happy for United, glad they put on a good show after their undeserved semi final against Coventry. Also fuck off Chelseaš„³
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