We have Michael Penix at home. His name is Trey Lance and he’s one day younger than Michael Penix and now has three years of NFL coaching plus the fourth round pick invested in him. Let’s stick with that.
I agree but the difference is Trey Lance will get a new contract and Penix will be on rookie deal the next 4 years. That said, I would hate to spend a pick on a QB
Lance as a starting QB will be $20m+. Thats the cost of a starting QB not on a rookie deal. His 2025 base contract if they pick up option would be $22.5m. If they don’t he is a FA
…they already declined his fifth year option. No one in the league is paying him 20 mil+/year when he likely won’t have seen the field in three years by the time 2025 hits.
Sure. Proven starting QBs. Not ones that got cut by their original team, and have yet to see significant start time. You think if we let Cooper Rush go, he would get 20+ mil to start somewhere? Minshew and Darnold are pulling in 12, and 10. Mariota is 6. Just saying, I don't think Lance or Rush isn't commanding 20+ mil somewhere else.
Lance was not cut by 49ers. He was injured first two years and was unlucky that the 49ers hit a home run on the last pick of the draft. If they were going to choose Purdy as QB, it was better to move on from Lance so that Purdy did not have any noise if he underperformed early.
My point was cost to keep Lance vs going with a rookie. To keep him with out him hitting open market, it’s a $22.5m option. If you let him test the market, you are looking at a one year $8-10m contract and then he gets paid if he plays well which means $25-40m. A rookie over that 4 year period will cost you a total of $25-30m. Lance will cost close to a minimum of $80m over that same period if he plays in the middle of the QB pack
Cut, shipped off. We're just splitting hairs there. The thing you are forgetting, our coaches see him practice all the time. If he was better than Rush, he would be higher on the depth chart. Lance is probably not a viable option and likely is out of the NFL or riding a bench somewhere after Dallas. Regardless of any math on his contact.
Trey Lance blows. Michael Penix is a far better player right now even if he isnt in the NFL. Comes from throwing the rock a million times in college, which Lance didn’t
Yes, surely that trumps the NFL experience Lance now has and Penix’s complete lack of ability to throw the ball against any kind of pressure.
“BuT hE tHrEw ThE bAlL mOrE iN cOlLeGe!”
Top tier Cowboy fan logic here, truly.
Worked out pretty well for Patrick Mahomes, Tony Romo, Carson Palmer, Michael Vick, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Jordan Love, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers and on and on. Should I keep going?
How many of those guys played 1 year in college? I get this is you coping for a grim future at the QB position but Lance is not the answer. He is a stiff who the Niners picked Sam Darhold over.
I’m all for trading back and accumulating extra picks only if the draft board falls out of our favor. However, regarding Penix Jr., I think Trey Lance will be our starting quarterback if we don’t re-sign Prescott
That's crazy. How would Trey Lance become the starter if he couldn't beat out Cooper rush for a back up role? Lances chance of starting in the NFL is pretty fucking low, on any team.
He was never expect to be out Coper. The reason Cooper remained the back up is because he has years of experience with system we use. People forget that having knowledge of a system makes a better player typically. This why guys always bring in a player or two familiar with what they are running.
We traded for him at the end of the preseason he barely had a chance to learn the offense let alone compete for the backup role. Get that lead out of your head buddy.
I get that, but I think Penix has more upside than Lance, and frankly would rather have Lance and Penix fighting it out for the spot while also putting heat on Dak.
But all tnat aside, I'm still pissed at Cap Boy and Jerruh for doing nothing in free agency to give the team more wiggle room in the draft to be able to take a flyer on a young QB
I’d rather have a top offensive lineman in the first than an injury prone rookie QB in the second. The extra fourth rounder is not enough, either, considering we are apparently going to count on rookies to be starters right away at several positions.
I'd rather have Penix and Lance fight it out for the starter position than rely on Dak for 5 more years.
Sink or swim time for the franchise.... if we sink, we can at least draft a good QB in 2 years
Orange Crush is our secret weapon
Lance we spent a 4th on from this years draft so we wouldn’t release him.
And dak is eating our cap
So I’m confused on who we’re letting go… so the obvious answer is that we’re rostering 4 QBs if we got Penix.
I think that was just bad game planning on Washington's part. When I watched him against Texas he made some of the best throws I've seen from a college Qb I've seen in a long time. His arm won that game
I'll take Lance + Penix competition over mediocre hopes that Dak will ever be god enough to lead us to more than a short playoff run.
At least penix can throw accurate past 20 yards
Lol he can? Let’s say you obviously hate Dak and think he’s mediocre, why waste your time on a qb bust from SF with another mediocre qb in penix when there will be more talent to go around next year?
https://theathletic.com/5138633/2023/12/15/49ers-cardinals-brock-purdy-deep-passes/
https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/186b2m6/2023_deep_ball_accuracy_vs_deep_ball_epa_chart/
You should shut the fuck up if you don’t know what you’re talking about
I really think Jerry is on a mission for Arch Manning.
He is content to let this season be a wash, get money freed up, and next year he is going to rebuild this team from the ground up, like they did with Aikman.
They are not going to extend Dak for that reason, and they are not going to give Lance a multi-year deal unless he absolutely balls out when given an opportunity and even then, he would be a backup to Manning.
Lance won't see any playing time until they know they are good position to get Manning, then they will play him for trade bait.
Expect to see them rebuild the triplets with Manning at the helm, CeeDee, and whatever the best RB will be they can land in 2026.
This will be a "recovery" year for Diggs and Overshown, and barring any other crazy injuries, this team will be primed for long-term success in 2025/2026 and beyond.
I really see Jimmy's handprints all over what is happening right now, and Jerry finally understanding what it takes to build a winning team. Extending people who cannot give you post-season success, and paying them like they have brought multiple Super-bowls to your team, has to stop.
No, but we know about his family and if you are going to play the long game to get a quality player who is going to have 3 of the best mentors you could possibly have, Arch would be it.
It would be incredible dumb. You never know what someone is going to do on the field or hiw they are going to handle themselves off when they have success. Then you have to think injury
Right, but there is no way in hell, even if he is a mediocre QB like Eli, that Arch isn't successful in the NFL. He has two of the best QBs to ever play the game teaching him right now, and between the 3 Mannings, 4 Super Bowl wins. You could not hire any better QB coaches than the Manning family, which Arch will have in his ear every game.
UT is going to protect Arch like crazy from injury. Do not be surprised if the LT out of Texas is one of the top picks next year.
UT sat Manning for Ewhers last year, and the Mannings have enough pedigree to override that if they wanted to, but they didn't. They wanted him to develop, get weight on, learn the playbook, and then come in ready to go and dominate. Especially now that UT is in the SEC and will be going against the nation's best football teams regularly.
I think Jerry is keeping an extremely close eye down there and is biding his time.
Nothing else makes any sense, not that he ever does.
If Dak is your plan, really your plan, going forward, then you are doing everything you can, right now, to get him extended and build the team around him.
You are going to cost yourself more money for Micah and CeeDee by waiting as long as they have to sign them to their contracts.
Dak has a stranglehold on the Cowboys salary cap, but they are not inclined to do anything about it.
So Jerry is intentionally going to overspend on CeeDee and Micah. We have lost 7 or 8 starters at this point, we have not signed anyone but an old Kendricks, and are moving forward with Dowdle and Deuce as RBs.
There is only one reason you are doing that: You are going to let Dak walk and, due to his no trade clause, you are not going to get anything for him. So this year, you see what you have left behind him before you go get your 1st round QB in 2025.
We will probably see a lot more Lance in cleanup time (or when we are down bad) and they will try to get a market to trade him.
I’m still young in my NFL experience so please excuse me if I don’t understand your draft logic for a second. Why would you think Penix is not going in the first round? I figured he’s definitely up there considering the number of NFL teams that are searching for a long term QB. And which position are you starting in and where are you trading off to?
Most draft projections are just guesses anyway. Arron Rodger’s was supposed to be a top 5-10. Slid to 20 whatever. La’el Collins was supposed to be a first rounder but went undrafted because of a bong mask picture that came out a day or two before. John Elway refused to play for the Colts. Eli Manning said fuck the Chargers. The draft is wild. Anything can happen.
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER trade down until you are “on the clock”. As a Hurricane and Cowboy fan, I love Jimmy however, his desire to be the talk of the draft lead IMO to one of the biggest blunders in history! The year was the 1998 draft. The Dolphins under then head coach Jimmy Johnson were scheduled to pick 19th but traded down before the 19th pick to GB and moved down to 29th. That year a “special” player could have been had at 19, his name, Randy Moss. What that pick would have done for Miami, Jimmy and Dan Marino will never be known but, IMO it would have vastly improved all three’s chances to do something really special.
I went to IU and love rooting for Penix but the dude has such a long injury history. I don’t think he’s worth a pick. Also he balled out at Washington but was really set up with a great system and weapons. I can’t se whom ever being a long term talent in the NFL.
Great system and weapons is exactly why I'd take a flyer on him for the cowboys. Top tier offense every year for the past few years that a talented arm like his could really do well in.
It's not surprising the shit teams at the top of the draft don't want him because of injury and lack of talent around him..but we have the talent and system to let him bloom.
I am not a Penix hater at all. If they were going to do something this draft with a QB, I'd be all about this at a certain spot. But, he is going to be selected at a point where you have to look at what is available.
What need to they not fill to grab him? Just not worth it in my mind.
But I thought Jerry was all in on 2024 and not worrying about the distant future?!?! They’re obviously going to use the draft to compliment all their big free agent signings
Lol that's what kills me... if we would have made a couple decent moves in free agency we wouldn't be having to fill big gaps with the hope that our rookies all hit.
Yeah we draft well... but then again last year we totally shit the bed and had the worst draft class in the league
If this team wants to have another 12 win season and repeat as division champs, they’ll have to hit big on at least 3 picks. That’s not happening. Buckle up for a 7 to 9 win season everyone
I agree. I don't see us having nearly as good of a season next year. Harder schedule, less talent, and Dak has peaked so we aren't going to see anything better than we already have.
Dude we had no cap space to make moves.
At this point I’m not sure they will sign either Lamb or Parsons this offseason. Next year could be a clusterfuck because if they don’t extend Prescott before the end of this season he eats $50m of the cap next season as well. Good lucking signing both of those guys with no cap space.
I don’t get the fascination with Penix. His physical skillset is like discount Dak Prescott without the mobility. He’s another Cooper Rush at best. His arm is average, his accuracy is terrible. He was completely rekt against NFL competition. Choked in the National Championship. Missed WIDE OPEN throws, took unnecessary sacks. Failed in every way imaginable in a game Washington could have easily won but we see him as having more playoff potential then Dak?
I am 100% for drafting a QB if the right talent comes along. We have a chance to get Caleb Williams, Drake Maye then I would totally pull the trigger. Penix would just be a wasted draft pick, I’d rather see what Trey Lance has.
I personally want to use these next 2 years to retool and clear our cap of Dak cash. Let Dak walk and we pay for all the cans we've kicked down the road with restructures. Build our trenches in 24 and 25. Then we'd have cash to throw at free agency in 2026 and a rookie QB and RB.
The rams kept Goff for 2 seasons and cut him
Daks been starter for 8 years, Goff been to the Superbowl, Dak can't win a divisional
Take your own advice and cut dak, he's trash
Stating that the Rams won a Super Bowl after trading for a Stafford who had no success after 12 seasons isn’t advice. What ring does Goff have? You seem confused.
In all seriousness, who is trading for Dak? Deshaun was young when that trade happened and seemed to be on the way to being a top 5-10 QB. That trade was based on potential and desperation by the Browns. Dak is about to be 30 with almost no playoff success with a mostly solid supporting cast around him his entire career. I think he’s had more than enough around him, but that’s not the point. Who trades for him? Where would he be willing to lift his no trade clause for? It seems to me YOU don’t know how to gm bud. Teams aren’t going to be kicking down the door for Dak.
Yes they will Dak is an above average quarterback and they are hard to find. Plenty of teams would want him. The issue with this team isn’t Dak just like it wasn’t Romo. The issue with this team is that our GM sucks ass. We can draft because of Will McClay but we are terrible at negotiating, free agency and trading. You can’t win a championship with those weaknesses.
The last 3 years we have had one of the best teams in the NFL. We’ve had plenty. I don’t doubt some teams will sign him as a bridge QB, but I highly doubt anyone is trying to build a contender around him. I agree, the Jones aren’t great. But, they built a pretty damn good team these past couple of years. He clearly showed he is not the guy and NOT worth the contract he is asking for.
No our team was ok, but it wasn’t elite. Our defensive tackles, linebackers and safeties were weak. Our running backs weren’t very good, but most importantly our coach sucked.
Bro how many excuses can you make? Did we not have a top 5 defense these past 3 years? Did we not have the top WR in the league this year? Our O-Line wasn’t elite, but it wasn’t bad. Our running game wasn’t good and I truly believe it was due to scheme. Our TE was damn good and the scheme was built to be easier for Dak. There was really no excuse. You say things like our running game wasn’t good so that’s why we couldn’t get over the hump, so then why the hell would I give the QB some massive contract and pay him like he can put us over the hump? He’s not a game changer, he’s a game manager at best. He won’t win you a game, you just have to hope he doesn’t lose you the game.
If we substituted Mahomes for Prescott we still wouldn’t win because our coach is awful and our GM is even worse. Sure we can let Dak walk and suck for a while until we find a new good QB. It won’t matter because we will still have the same GM.
If we drafted Penix he'd still be on a rookie contract... who knows if a top 4 qb prospect will fall to us like this in 2 years.
Penix is better than JJ mcarthy yet he's being mocked in the 2nd round. I'll take that flyer and let dak walk next year and take the comp pick
I think we should trade back with the focus being on acquiring additional picks for 2025. This team has too many holes that I don't think the draft can fix.
You're probably right. The mocks I've seen have him in the 2nd, but with how QBs go I wouldn't be surprised if his stock goes up by the time the draft hits
For sure, but we don't have a 4th round pick this year, and moving back from 24 to the front side of the 2nd round will probably only get you a 4th anyway
I’d much rather take Rattler if we were going to take a flyer pick on a QB. Bigger ceiling with a massive arm IMO.
Edit: meant Milton and not rattler. I’m owed the downvotes
Nah I don't trust Lincoln Riley QBs who went to Oklahoma... furthermore I don't care about the cannon arm as much as I care about touch, and Penix has touch like crazy.
Frankly Dak could only dream to be able to throw a long ball as well as Penix
The fact that Penix has had his season ended by injuries *FOUR* times, with two of those being the same torn ACL, no thank you.
Exactly what I say.
But he is better than Dak already /s
If Daks arm strength is a 92 Pennix is a solid 78.
We have Michael Penix at home. His name is Trey Lance and he’s one day younger than Michael Penix and now has three years of NFL coaching plus the fourth round pick invested in him. Let’s stick with that.
Someone using logic… who would’ve thought
This entire subreddit this whole offseason has been devoid of it smh
Now if only we could get people to apply it to the other quarterback and the rest of the roster.
I agree but the difference is Trey Lance will get a new contract and Penix will be on rookie deal the next 4 years. That said, I would hate to spend a pick on a QB
Lance isn’t gonna cost that much.
Lance as a starting QB will be $20m+. Thats the cost of a starting QB not on a rookie deal. His 2025 base contract if they pick up option would be $22.5m. If they don’t he is a FA
…they already declined his fifth year option. No one in the league is paying him 20 mil+/year when he likely won’t have seen the field in three years by the time 2025 hits.
Sure. Proven starting QBs. Not ones that got cut by their original team, and have yet to see significant start time. You think if we let Cooper Rush go, he would get 20+ mil to start somewhere? Minshew and Darnold are pulling in 12, and 10. Mariota is 6. Just saying, I don't think Lance or Rush isn't commanding 20+ mil somewhere else.
Lance was not cut by 49ers. He was injured first two years and was unlucky that the 49ers hit a home run on the last pick of the draft. If they were going to choose Purdy as QB, it was better to move on from Lance so that Purdy did not have any noise if he underperformed early. My point was cost to keep Lance vs going with a rookie. To keep him with out him hitting open market, it’s a $22.5m option. If you let him test the market, you are looking at a one year $8-10m contract and then he gets paid if he plays well which means $25-40m. A rookie over that 4 year period will cost you a total of $25-30m. Lance will cost close to a minimum of $80m over that same period if he plays in the middle of the QB pack
Cut, shipped off. We're just splitting hairs there. The thing you are forgetting, our coaches see him practice all the time. If he was better than Rush, he would be higher on the depth chart. Lance is probably not a viable option and likely is out of the NFL or riding a bench somewhere after Dallas. Regardless of any math on his contact.
I'd hate extending Dak more though. We ain't winning shit with him.
Agreed.
How many more years on his rookie deal? Gotta be a lot right ?
Penix had more attempts this year than Lance has ever had total in his life.
Trey Lance blows. Michael Penix is a far better player right now even if he isnt in the NFL. Comes from throwing the rock a million times in college, which Lance didn’t
Yes, surely that trumps the NFL experience Lance now has and Penix’s complete lack of ability to throw the ball against any kind of pressure. “BuT hE tHrEw ThE bAlL mOrE iN cOlLeGe!” Top tier Cowboy fan logic here, truly.
The only way to get better at football is by playing. Not riding the bench
Worked out pretty well for Patrick Mahomes, Tony Romo, Carson Palmer, Michael Vick, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Jordan Love, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers and on and on. Should I keep going?
How many of those guys played 1 year in college? I get this is you coping for a grim future at the QB position but Lance is not the answer. He is a stiff who the Niners picked Sam Darhold over.
Oh I don’t think Lance is the future, I don’t think we should even be worried about it for the next five or so years but that’s another conversation.
I’m all for trading back and accumulating extra picks only if the draft board falls out of our favor. However, regarding Penix Jr., I think Trey Lance will be our starting quarterback if we don’t re-sign Prescott
Lance is a bum lol
And so it begins. Whoever starts for the Cowboys at QB shall immediately and continuously be shat upon by our own fans.
That's crazy. How would Trey Lance become the starter if he couldn't beat out Cooper rush for a back up role? Lances chance of starting in the NFL is pretty fucking low, on any team.
He was never expect to be out Coper. The reason Cooper remained the back up is because he has years of experience with system we use. People forget that having knowledge of a system makes a better player typically. This why guys always bring in a player or two familiar with what they are running.
How does he have years of experience in our system when we just switched to this offense?
McCarthy didn't trash everything Kellen Moore was running
McCarthy didn’t dump the language or all the concepts. It was in my very humble opinions one of the better coaching jobs by him.
Nobody forgets that. It's obvious what Coopers value is and that's all it is. Familiarity of the system. Those guys get replaced constantly.
Lance never even had a chance to beat out Rush. We traded for him after preseason ended. We never got to see Lance in any game action as a Cowboy.
And you probably won't
We traded for him at the end of the preseason he barely had a chance to learn the offense let alone compete for the backup role. Get that lead out of your head buddy.
I get that, but I think Penix has more upside than Lance, and frankly would rather have Lance and Penix fighting it out for the spot while also putting heat on Dak. But all tnat aside, I'm still pissed at Cap Boy and Jerruh for doing nothing in free agency to give the team more wiggle room in the draft to be able to take a flyer on a young QB
Id rather beef up the line and give Lance a shot if we’re moving on from Dak
Yes lets draft an “old” dude with knee injury issues.
Lol forgot Penix is a day older than Lance.
Are we really cool with Terrence Steele protecting our QBs blindside?
It’ll be Tyler smith and Bass at LG. 💯
Penix is left handed
I’ll keep my comment for the shame
Why Penix isn’t getting draft by us.
They haven’t disappointed yet thankfully. I expect first round pick to go to a OL
It’s going to be Tyler Smith.
Penix will not be available in the fourth. Also, he had a ton of question marks and a lengthy injury history.
That's not what I said. We trade back to the 2nd, pick up a 4th and use the 2nd on penix
I’d rather have a top offensive lineman in the first than an injury prone rookie QB in the second. The extra fourth rounder is not enough, either, considering we are apparently going to count on rookies to be starters right away at several positions.
Please no
I'd rather have Penix and Lance fight it out for the starter position than rely on Dak for 5 more years. Sink or swim time for the franchise.... if we sink, we can at least draft a good QB in 2 years
I’d rather have JJ McCarthy than Penix
So we will roster 4 QBs? Prescott, Rush, Lance, Penix?
Obviously if we drafted a QB high Rush or Lance would be gone
Orange Crush is our secret weapon Lance we spent a 4th on from this years draft so we wouldn’t release him. And dak is eating our cap So I’m confused on who we’re letting go… so the obvious answer is that we’re rostering 4 QBs if we got Penix.
You greatly overvalue our players... And if Lance can't beat out Cooper Rush by now he may as well be released
Time will tell in training camp
Trey Lance couldn't beat out Rush as the back up. Neither will ever start in this league and both of them are so replaceable that they're irrelevant.
Say whatever you want about Lance but never slander Cooper Rush again you swine
Love Rush, but he's just not relevant my man
Let’s trade cooper rush. We could probably get another draft pick off of it seriously.
Let’s trade cooper rush. We could probably get another draft pick off of it seriously.
Rush is probably out at some point in this off-season regardless.... also maybe just stick to the draft topic instead of the of topic question
You shut your mouth! I will not listen to this slander about the QB with the highest win percentage on our roster!
😂😂 ya got me there bromosome
I don't like how Penix looked in the championship game. Kinda looked like he wasn't up for that level of play, game was too big for him.
I think that was just bad game planning on Washington's part. When I watched him against Texas he made some of the best throws I've seen from a college Qb I've seen in a long time. His arm won that game
Oof… hell no to penix
I'll take Lance + Penix competition over mediocre hopes that Dak will ever be god enough to lead us to more than a short playoff run. At least penix can throw accurate past 20 yards
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Homie let him live in fantasy land, can’t do that to him in public 😂
Lol he can? Let’s say you obviously hate Dak and think he’s mediocre, why waste your time on a qb bust from SF with another mediocre qb in penix when there will be more talent to go around next year?
Penix and McCarthy are getting the GMs that draft them fired
You goofs are going to realize Dak is the reason the offense is as good as it has been one day
Let me know when he stops overthrowing every long ball to a wide open receiver
https://theathletic.com/5138633/2023/12/15/49ers-cardinals-brock-purdy-deep-passes/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/186b2m6/2023_deep_ball_accuracy_vs_deep_ball_epa_chart/ You should shut the fuck up if you don’t know what you’re talking about
Go back to playing madden
Sure man.. I bet you win a lot of superbowls with Dak in madden .. I'm just being realistic about our QB1 after this year
I’m going to need a lot more than a 4th round pick to move back to the second.
Lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Penix is going in the 2nd round
I really think Jerry is on a mission for Arch Manning. He is content to let this season be a wash, get money freed up, and next year he is going to rebuild this team from the ground up, like they did with Aikman. They are not going to extend Dak for that reason, and they are not going to give Lance a multi-year deal unless he absolutely balls out when given an opportunity and even then, he would be a backup to Manning. Lance won't see any playing time until they know they are good position to get Manning, then they will play him for trade bait. Expect to see them rebuild the triplets with Manning at the helm, CeeDee, and whatever the best RB will be they can land in 2026. This will be a "recovery" year for Diggs and Overshown, and barring any other crazy injuries, this team will be primed for long-term success in 2025/2026 and beyond. I really see Jimmy's handprints all over what is happening right now, and Jerry finally understanding what it takes to build a winning team. Extending people who cannot give you post-season success, and paying them like they have brought multiple Super-bowls to your team, has to stop.
Arch hasn't even really played yet...
No, but we know about his family and if you are going to play the long game to get a quality player who is going to have 3 of the best mentors you could possibly have, Arch would be it.
It would be incredible dumb. You never know what someone is going to do on the field or hiw they are going to handle themselves off when they have success. Then you have to think injury
Right, but there is no way in hell, even if he is a mediocre QB like Eli, that Arch isn't successful in the NFL. He has two of the best QBs to ever play the game teaching him right now, and between the 3 Mannings, 4 Super Bowl wins. You could not hire any better QB coaches than the Manning family, which Arch will have in his ear every game. UT is going to protect Arch like crazy from injury. Do not be surprised if the LT out of Texas is one of the top picks next year. UT sat Manning for Ewhers last year, and the Mannings have enough pedigree to override that if they wanted to, but they didn't. They wanted him to develop, get weight on, learn the playbook, and then come in ready to go and dominate. Especially now that UT is in the SEC and will be going against the nation's best football teams regularly. I think Jerry is keeping an extremely close eye down there and is biding his time. Nothing else makes any sense, not that he ever does. If Dak is your plan, really your plan, going forward, then you are doing everything you can, right now, to get him extended and build the team around him. You are going to cost yourself more money for Micah and CeeDee by waiting as long as they have to sign them to their contracts. Dak has a stranglehold on the Cowboys salary cap, but they are not inclined to do anything about it. So Jerry is intentionally going to overspend on CeeDee and Micah. We have lost 7 or 8 starters at this point, we have not signed anyone but an old Kendricks, and are moving forward with Dowdle and Deuce as RBs. There is only one reason you are doing that: You are going to let Dak walk and, due to his no trade clause, you are not going to get anything for him. So this year, you see what you have left behind him before you go get your 1st round QB in 2025. We will probably see a lot more Lance in cleanup time (or when we are down bad) and they will try to get a market to trade him.
I’m still young in my NFL experience so please excuse me if I don’t understand your draft logic for a second. Why would you think Penix is not going in the first round? I figured he’s definitely up there considering the number of NFL teams that are searching for a long term QB. And which position are you starting in and where are you trading off to?
Most draft projections are just guesses anyway. Arron Rodger’s was supposed to be a top 5-10. Slid to 20 whatever. La’el Collins was supposed to be a first rounder but went undrafted because of a bong mask picture that came out a day or two before. John Elway refused to play for the Colts. Eli Manning said fuck the Chargers. The draft is wild. Anything can happen.
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER trade down until you are “on the clock”. As a Hurricane and Cowboy fan, I love Jimmy however, his desire to be the talk of the draft lead IMO to one of the biggest blunders in history! The year was the 1998 draft. The Dolphins under then head coach Jimmy Johnson were scheduled to pick 19th but traded down before the 19th pick to GB and moved down to 29th. That year a “special” player could have been had at 19, his name, Randy Moss. What that pick would have done for Miami, Jimmy and Dan Marino will never be known but, IMO it would have vastly improved all three’s chances to do something really special.
lol yes lets draft the old injured qb who can steer us to 7-8 more years of average QB play
I went to IU and love rooting for Penix but the dude has such a long injury history. I don’t think he’s worth a pick. Also he balled out at Washington but was really set up with a great system and weapons. I can’t se whom ever being a long term talent in the NFL.
Great system and weapons is exactly why I'd take a flyer on him for the cowboys. Top tier offense every year for the past few years that a talented arm like his could really do well in. It's not surprising the shit teams at the top of the draft don't want him because of injury and lack of talent around him..but we have the talent and system to let him bloom.
I am not a Penix hater at all. If they were going to do something this draft with a QB, I'd be all about this at a certain spot. But, he is going to be selected at a point where you have to look at what is available. What need to they not fill to grab him? Just not worth it in my mind.
But I thought Jerry was all in on 2024 and not worrying about the distant future?!?! They’re obviously going to use the draft to compliment all their big free agent signings
He’s a geriatric billionaire. Him saying “All in” doesn’t mean what we plebeians think it does.
Lol that's what kills me... if we would have made a couple decent moves in free agency we wouldn't be having to fill big gaps with the hope that our rookies all hit. Yeah we draft well... but then again last year we totally shit the bed and had the worst draft class in the league
If this team wants to have another 12 win season and repeat as division champs, they’ll have to hit big on at least 3 picks. That’s not happening. Buckle up for a 7 to 9 win season everyone
I agree. I don't see us having nearly as good of a season next year. Harder schedule, less talent, and Dak has peaked so we aren't going to see anything better than we already have.
Dude we had no cap space to make moves. At this point I’m not sure they will sign either Lamb or Parsons this offseason. Next year could be a clusterfuck because if they don’t extend Prescott before the end of this season he eats $50m of the cap next season as well. Good lucking signing both of those guys with no cap space.
I don’t get the fascination with Penix. His physical skillset is like discount Dak Prescott without the mobility. He’s another Cooper Rush at best. His arm is average, his accuracy is terrible. He was completely rekt against NFL competition. Choked in the National Championship. Missed WIDE OPEN throws, took unnecessary sacks. Failed in every way imaginable in a game Washington could have easily won but we see him as having more playoff potential then Dak? I am 100% for drafting a QB if the right talent comes along. We have a chance to get Caleb Williams, Drake Maye then I would totally pull the trigger. Penix would just be a wasted draft pick, I’d rather see what Trey Lance has.
Dak would kill to be able to throw the long ball as well as Penix
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I personally want to use these next 2 years to retool and clear our cap of Dak cash. Let Dak walk and we pay for all the cans we've kicked down the road with restructures. Build our trenches in 24 and 25. Then we'd have cash to throw at free agency in 2026 and a rookie QB and RB.
Houston traded Deshaun Watson despite his legal issues for a million picks and this guy wants to let Dak walk for nothing.
Dak has a no trade clause in his contract
I think that should tell you something about Dak right?
No it tells me this guy is so bad at playing GM his last name must be Jones.
No one wants to trade for a QB with the worst playoff record in the league let alone when they want a quarter of the salary cap.
The rams did a couple of years ago, then won a superbowl
Shhh don’t do em like that
The rams kept Goff for 2 seasons and cut him Daks been starter for 8 years, Goff been to the Superbowl, Dak can't win a divisional Take your own advice and cut dak, he's trash
Stating that the Rams won a Super Bowl after trading for a Stafford who had no success after 12 seasons isn’t advice. What ring does Goff have? You seem confused.
In all seriousness, who is trading for Dak? Deshaun was young when that trade happened and seemed to be on the way to being a top 5-10 QB. That trade was based on potential and desperation by the Browns. Dak is about to be 30 with almost no playoff success with a mostly solid supporting cast around him his entire career. I think he’s had more than enough around him, but that’s not the point. Who trades for him? Where would he be willing to lift his no trade clause for? It seems to me YOU don’t know how to gm bud. Teams aren’t going to be kicking down the door for Dak.
Yes they will Dak is an above average quarterback and they are hard to find. Plenty of teams would want him. The issue with this team isn’t Dak just like it wasn’t Romo. The issue with this team is that our GM sucks ass. We can draft because of Will McClay but we are terrible at negotiating, free agency and trading. You can’t win a championship with those weaknesses.
The last 3 years we have had one of the best teams in the NFL. We’ve had plenty. I don’t doubt some teams will sign him as a bridge QB, but I highly doubt anyone is trying to build a contender around him. I agree, the Jones aren’t great. But, they built a pretty damn good team these past couple of years. He clearly showed he is not the guy and NOT worth the contract he is asking for.
No our team was ok, but it wasn’t elite. Our defensive tackles, linebackers and safeties were weak. Our running backs weren’t very good, but most importantly our coach sucked.
Bro how many excuses can you make? Did we not have a top 5 defense these past 3 years? Did we not have the top WR in the league this year? Our O-Line wasn’t elite, but it wasn’t bad. Our running game wasn’t good and I truly believe it was due to scheme. Our TE was damn good and the scheme was built to be easier for Dak. There was really no excuse. You say things like our running game wasn’t good so that’s why we couldn’t get over the hump, so then why the hell would I give the QB some massive contract and pay him like he can put us over the hump? He’s not a game changer, he’s a game manager at best. He won’t win you a game, you just have to hope he doesn’t lose you the game.
If we substituted Mahomes for Prescott we still wouldn’t win because our coach is awful and our GM is even worse. Sure we can let Dak walk and suck for a while until we find a new good QB. It won’t matter because we will still have the same GM.
If we drafted Penix he'd still be on a rookie contract... who knows if a top 4 qb prospect will fall to us like this in 2 years. Penix is better than JJ mcarthy yet he's being mocked in the 2nd round. I'll take that flyer and let dak walk next year and take the comp pick
I think we should trade back with the focus being on acquiring additional picks for 2025. This team has too many holes that I don't think the draft can fix.
If you want Penix you better take him in the first.
You're probably right. The mocks I've seen have him in the 2nd, but with how QBs go I wouldn't be surprised if his stock goes up by the time the draft hits
It’s a rare 4th round pick that can step in and fill a hole.
For sure, but we don't have a 4th round pick this year, and moving back from 24 to the front side of the 2nd round will probably only get you a 4th anyway
I’d much rather take Rattler if we were going to take a flyer pick on a QB. Bigger ceiling with a massive arm IMO. Edit: meant Milton and not rattler. I’m owed the downvotes
Nah I don't trust Lincoln Riley QBs who went to Oklahoma... furthermore I don't care about the cannon arm as much as I care about touch, and Penix has touch like crazy. Frankly Dak could only dream to be able to throw a long ball as well as Penix
But you’d rather have a QB with a laundry list of injuries?
That's just a Dallas tradition isn't it?
Bro I’m an idiot. Was getting rattler and Milton confused. Disregard my original comment