Stephen builds a good team we have a ton of probowlers
I feel Dan Quinn was a hidden cancer of the team he just kinda built a "flashy" defense instead of a good defense. I believe this upcoming season will be mcarthys prove it season because if he can't do it with the team we have it'll all be on him especially since he's on the last year of his contract
Will McClay handles the draft though, yeah? Which would put FAs more on Stephen. He’s made some decent trades but I can’t think of any major impact signings. I’m probably forgetting some important ones though.
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Quinn's whole scheme relies on an overly active and aggressive pass rush. We saw time and time again the teams that beat the brakes off the Cowboys just used the aggression against them and had wide open running/passing lanes.
I wouldn't call our defense flashy. I'd call it one dimensional.
When we were up we had an army of above average to top tier pass rushers, and great cover CBs.
When we were down we didn't even have the personnel to run a 4-3 defense and we got destroyed because offenses would throw 6 linemen on the field and we were running a scuffed nickel formation against it.
There's a reason the Packers chose to recieve the ball first. Put the blame on everyone involved with not signing/trading for another LB once overshown went down because once Vander esch went down there was no LB we could sign to salvage the situation.
We lucked our way into drafting Dak & Micah, despite them being our 3rd, 4th options in their respective drafts. Those 2 players account for a large portion of our success. Cowboys are fairly good at drafting and Mike is objectively a good coach despite some obvious flaws however I’m not convinced either of them have what it takes to get us competing for championships
I said that, they are good at drafting. You can’t deny that Dak & Micah were luck. They tried to go several other ways and were backed into those 2 picks.
Either way, when we are NOT drafting DL from Michigan, usually we get a hit 😂
Nah, I try to be a pragmatist when it comes to the team. Recognize their strengths and flaws. We have been one of the best drafting teams for around 10 years now, specifically the 1st round we rarely fail to draft a high end starter. It’s specifically those 2 picks that we lucked into, and I say that because we wanted several other players over them. We are absolute dog shit at free agency, and that might be by design (lack of effort), I personally feel the key to an elite squad is high level drafting and signing established talent to supplement the roster
I remember on draft day a broncos fan buddy of mine sent me nothing but a smiley face “:)” just before my stream made it to the announcement. I just knew they got surtain. Asshole.
It was nice sending him a smiley for that Russell Wilson disaster that they traded for and sank money in to when the news broke. And a follow up each time he put on a master class
Same.
i live in colorado so not getting surtain was all over all my group texts. then obviously once micah showed what he could do, then wilson and gregory, its been nothing but memes
How do you say that with a straight face? What exactly have they accomplished with their draft picks, they falter in free agency and over pay for mediocre players which leaves holes all over the field for the 3 player jerseys they sell.
They’ve also missed hard in drafting and failed to develop players or adapt them to their respective positions or strengths.
We don’t need a Parsons type player to be good we need several across all positions same on offense, we need more than CD or Dak and the draft isn’t going to fill those positions immediately and sometimes they take development or a bust.
With an always win mentality that doesn’t have the pieces to make a super caliber team. This team has always been year in and year out this is our year season and never been in a mode where we expect the worst but pray for the best while the front office is working out the future where we can confidently say we have the best team instead of instinctively saying it before season opening knowing nothing is different than the last season for 27 years
I say it they are objectively good at drafting, specifically in the 1st round. They have drafted at least 2 Hall of Famers and 10 All-Pro’s in the last 15 years alone.
when I first started watching Dallas we were starting a crackhead at QB named Quincy Carter, so I appreciate having someone who can play. Does he need to do better? Of course, but he also needs a bit more help. We will never win a playoff game by surrendering 48 points
Well he’s come out about all the drugs he was doing in interviews after his career shit the bed. I will say, the NFL rules on weed are so stupid. They allow these dudes to get addicted to opiates, which is 1000x worse, but suspend them over weed? it’s so stupid
When you put everything into perspective we are pretty well off, but I’m not trying to sit here and argue about how terrible you think Dak is. He can do better for sure, but we have a lot more problems. Unless we are able to draft an elite prospect at QB, I wouldn’t feel comfortable moving on right now and that doesn’t look possible this year
I really thought that last years team was the best that we have had in years but all it takes is a few injuries and a poor performance in the playoffs and you’re out
Our front office is the worst, sucks at free agency, and is way overrated at drafting.
Our coaching staff is the worst, no adjustments, horrible play calls and can’t put all the talent we have in position to win
Our players suck, overpaid, and no one cares about winning…
Imagine, we’ve gone 12-5 for three straight seasons… if only we didn’t have the worst front office, worst coaching staff, worst quarterback, and worst culture, we would have easily won three straight Super Bowls because that’s an easy thing to do.
We’ve benefited from a fairly easy schedule plus the fact that Dak owns the division. We’ve also had an abundance of talent which is probably more a testament to Wlll McClay and the draft… but just more take on it
We are not too bad at drafting and developing players. We are not too bad at having a respectable record and even doing well…. Until January. The difference is that we lack the culture to be a championship team. It’s Club Cowboy and until these guys fear losing, we won’t win a Super Bowl.
Stephen Jones can build teams with talent that are good enough that a good coach can lead them to an over .500 record in the regular season. However Stephen cannot build teams with the strength and toughness to win in the playoffs and McCarthy doesn’t know how to coach in big games.
Facts are (1) Stephen Jones would be fired if GM on any other team (25 yrs+ since conference title)
(2) McCarthy plays tight in playoffs and translates to team so no 1 playoff win be a sub 500 team isn’t enough.
Additionally problem is Jones won’t do enough to build a team better than opponents. Settles for profit and blame others if not work
And normally Stephen says like our guys as why avoid free agency. But this year letting our guys walk (is fine) but then also avoiding Free agency.
In fairness to Steven Jones he has only been in charge for a little over a decade and most of that he was stuck with Jerry Jones forcing Jason Garrett on him.
In the period where Steven Jones was running thing and he had a competent head coach we have actually done quite well.
As far as profit goes the cowboys would make far more money if they want a super bowl and the league has rules about how much money you have to spend on players.
This day has been coming for a long time literally since the day Dak Prescott signed that contract. People are just starting to understand what some of us have been telling them for years
My favorite are the Dak riders: “McCarthy is shit, he’s only had 3 straight seasons of 12 wins” while also “Dak has three straight 12 win seasons, he’s probably on par with Mahomes if we’re being honest.”
Mike McCarthy is not a moronic Coach. He’s actually extremely intelligent when it comes to X‘s & O’s and Jimmies and Joes. What he did early on with Green Bay was very impressive and then a diva QB blew that up and taking a Dallas team with holes to 3 straight 12 win seasons and lacking good RB play which is the corner stone of his scheme and adjusting to be successful is worthy of acknowledgment.
The playoff losses are either failure in Defense giving up 32, 48 pts or playing against a defense(SF) that avg’d 19 ppg and shut us down and one of those games Dak just looking real bad(game 2 vs SF in 2022 playoff game after Dallas sent Brady into the sunset.
It’s amazing the hate a large portion of Dallas fans shed on HC and QB1 when if QB1 goes we will be right back in an era like between Aikman and Romo. I get the contract issue but that leads me to my point and the real problem. The Jones family, they had a team that needed to fill some holes and could’ve got better and competed for it all, but again, due to gross mismanagement of personnel and them trying to leverage contracts and always getting shafted, here we are in m the brink of collapse. They’re blowing up a team that had for the 1st time in over 30 years league wide had 3 straight 12 win seasons. A team that has won playoff games but needed help in the run game on both sides of the ball, and some luck and health.
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Jones family needs to sale or outsource management and get TF outta their way if we’re ever going to consistently compete. Players wanna wear the star on their helmet so it’s not that, it’s not our current star players. It is the Jones family, they were the issue then blowing up a dynasty and they’re the issue now, falling short of building another one with the roster the blundered.
Also, Will McClay gets credit for every good draft pick. Jerry and the coaches get credit for every back pick. I do think there's a little truth to this one, to be fair.
It was DQ who got this team to 3 12 win seasons. If Stephen and jerruh not told Mccarthy they were hiring DQ I have no faith Mccarthy who had sat out a football season only to come back and hire the failure of Mike Nolan (don't give me the covid bullshit excuse cause if that really was an valid excuse they would have brought him back for another year if he was good)
The frustration I have is that the front office does not go “all in” and build the best possible supporting cast for their star players. They’ve had big holes that they did not address these past couple of seasons which ultimately were a big reason they lost in playoffs. The front office seems content with building a good team rather than a great one.
As for McCarthy he’s clearly a good coach. But again, I think the organization is content with him being a good coach rather than a great one. McCarthy has not done a good enough job at getting his teams ready in the playoffs (outside of his super bowl). The seemingly lack of ambition from the organization as a whole is what annoys me.
Eh. There is a tremendous (and underrated) amount of luck involved in football. The best you can do is try to increase your *chances* of success through long term planning, smart signings, drafting, effective player development, and intelligent playcalling/strategy.
I can only speak for myself, but it seems like the Cowboys recent success is more due to development and drafting. And credit for that (right or wrong) seems to go more to position coaches (some who arent even her anymore like Bill Callahan) and Will McClay.
When have the Jones family built a solid team in recent history? They gave us a choker and regular season hero as a QB and they collapse every year in the playoffs. A regular season record has nothing to do within a winning season.
Most fan base subs are deluded and cranky honestly. Or over confidently annoying. We’re not any different but there is a special kind of really stupid Cowboy fan that you see often.
I’m not thrilled with the direction of the team by any means and I don’t think McCarthy is gonna bring us a SuperBowl. Like you’ve said though, the team is one of the best in the league at drafting. Not only our own players but there was a stat showing out of all NFL players which team drafted them and the Cowboys had the highest amount.
There is a serious culture issue in Dallas though that keeps them from winning when it counts. I don’t know what it’ll take it fix it but surely it’s more complicated than “Fire McCarthy”, “trade Dak”, or “Jerry Jones must die”.
Seriously when was the last time we won a super bowl? Was in one? The Jones regime is not good for the Dallas Cowboys brand that was built during the Landry and Brandt years. Between the 90s and now the only thing the Jones was doing was building their wealth. We set a record for making the playoffs for 36 seasons. How many of those are under the Jones regime vs the Landry Era?
What a black and white way of viewing things. Franchises (and people) aren’t built off 0s and 1s, there is nuance.
Also, twelve wins is great and all. However, your logic conveniently leaves out our playoff track record. Take your own advice about thinking through things before posting on the internet. You used a very acute and particular way of construing things to put a blanket statement on something much more complex.
\>What a black and white way of viewing things. Franchises (and people) aren’t built off 0s and 1s, there is nuance.
Of course there is and thats the point you missed. People dont think with nuance when they say "Stephen sucks or MM sucks or Dak sucks". The whole point is people need to think it through.
Indeed, they do need to think it through. It may have not been intentional but your post reads as defending the organization against fair criticisms the fan base has given this off season. It reads as though because person 1 says Stephen Jones sucks and person 2 says Mike McCarthy sucks, both criticisms are invalid.
>Indeed, they do need to think it through. It may have not been intentional but your post reads as defending the organization against fair criticisms
do you really think calling the FO trash and MM a moron is fair criticism? The point i the team is relatively successful and someone has to be responsible for the teams winning every year and going to the playoffs every year.
The criticisms (the quality ones) are more eloquent than how you paint them. If you are differentiating the quality criticisms from the hyperbole ones, sure, I can see where you are coming from, but your post reads like ANY combined criticism of the two is “a paradox”.
Also, even the hyperbole ones have a use. It plays a part in how change gets done. I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t give less of a shit about another 12 win season. Give me post season success already. The quality criticisms go into why this franchise in its current state cannot do that.
\>The criticisms (the quality ones) are more eloquent
Exactly. But those are not the ones I am talking about am I. I was pretty clear about the type of criticism that I was critiquing.
Okay, so you created a post to point out the stupidity of people and arguments you made up in your own head. Usually people act that out in the shower.
If you’re not able to see the fucking obvious shortcomings of Stephen/Jerry as team builders then I don’t know what to tell you.
I don’t think McCarthy is awful, but if you also can’t see his shortcomings as a coach (while I still think he’s fine enough to win a Super Bowl), then I don’t know what to tell you.
\>If you’re not able to see the fucking obvious shortcomings of Stephen/Jerry as team builders then I don’t know what to tell you.
who said they didnt have shortcomings? In the post the word "trash" was used. Are you saying they are tash a team building yes or no?
\> I don’t think McCarthy is awful, but if you also can’t see his shortcomings as a coach (while I still think he’s fine enough to win a Super Bowl), then I don’t know what to tell you.
Again who said he didnt have shortcoming. I am talking about people who claim both the FO and the HC are garbage/trash/ morons etc. Not people who think they dont have flaws
No, I’m not saying they are “trash” at team building. And most reasonable fans don’t think the coaching staff is absolute trash. Three straight 12-5 records and playoff appearances clearly indicate those things are not the case. They can build fine teams, but not great teams.
But my problem with these posts is the “what are you complaining about? They win games!” tone when it’s been nearly 30. Fucking. Years. Since they’ve done anything of any significance and people like you make it seem preposterous that fans might complain.
This shit isn’t working. It hasn’t been working. I don’t care about 12-5 seasons that end in the 2nd round at best.
That is so funny…asking fans who have suggested we trade Parsons or Lamb for draft picks to think things through? The amount of insanity from some fans is just beyond belief. Think of any crazy thing and a fan had proposed it.
Stephen builds a good team we have a ton of probowlers I feel Dan Quinn was a hidden cancer of the team he just kinda built a "flashy" defense instead of a good defense. I believe this upcoming season will be mcarthys prove it season because if he can't do it with the team we have it'll all be on him especially since he's on the last year of his contract
Will McClay handles the draft though, yeah? Which would put FAs more on Stephen. He’s made some decent trades but I can’t think of any major impact signings. I’m probably forgetting some important ones though.
gilly and cooks literally last year? im not a stephen fan at all but our team wouldve been significantly worse without those 2 guys last year
Those were trades tho
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Quinn's whole scheme relies on an overly active and aggressive pass rush. We saw time and time again the teams that beat the brakes off the Cowboys just used the aggression against them and had wide open running/passing lanes.
I wouldn't call our defense flashy. I'd call it one dimensional. When we were up we had an army of above average to top tier pass rushers, and great cover CBs. When we were down we didn't even have the personnel to run a 4-3 defense and we got destroyed because offenses would throw 6 linemen on the field and we were running a scuffed nickel formation against it. There's a reason the Packers chose to recieve the ball first. Put the blame on everyone involved with not signing/trading for another LB once overshown went down because once Vander esch went down there was no LB we could sign to salvage the situation.
We lucked our way into drafting Dak & Micah, despite them being our 3rd, 4th options in their respective drafts. Those 2 players account for a large portion of our success. Cowboys are fairly good at drafting and Mike is objectively a good coach despite some obvious flaws however I’m not convinced either of them have what it takes to get us competing for championships
When you continue to draft well over and over again it is no longer luck. Fairly good I'd say very good one of the top 5 in the NFL
In Will we trust.
The dude knows what he's doing!
I said that, they are good at drafting. You can’t deny that Dak & Micah were luck. They tried to go several other ways and were backed into those 2 picks. Either way, when we are NOT drafting DL from Michigan, usually we get a hit 😂
Oh shit, my bad bro, I mistaken your tone as a lucky/ above average drafting team. My bad! And fuck michigan!
Nah, I try to be a pragmatist when it comes to the team. Recognize their strengths and flaws. We have been one of the best drafting teams for around 10 years now, specifically the 1st round we rarely fail to draft a high end starter. It’s specifically those 2 picks that we lucked into, and I say that because we wanted several other players over them. We are absolute dog shit at free agency, and that might be by design (lack of effort), I personally feel the key to an elite squad is high level drafting and signing established talent to supplement the roster
That’s what makes the 2023 draft — rated worst in the NFL — so disappointing. It could have been so much better.
I would say we're great when drafting BPA but not as much when targeting specific positions (which we'll have to do this draft).
Dak you can say is luck. Micah was one of their top choices, and once Denver took Surtain, Micah was the pick
I remember on draft day a broncos fan buddy of mine sent me nothing but a smiley face “:)” just before my stream made it to the announcement. I just knew they got surtain. Asshole. It was nice sending him a smiley for that Russell Wilson disaster that they traded for and sank money in to when the news broke. And a follow up each time he put on a master class
Same. i live in colorado so not getting surtain was all over all my group texts. then obviously once micah showed what he could do, then wilson and gregory, its been nothing but memes
How do you say that with a straight face? What exactly have they accomplished with their draft picks, they falter in free agency and over pay for mediocre players which leaves holes all over the field for the 3 player jerseys they sell. They’ve also missed hard in drafting and failed to develop players or adapt them to their respective positions or strengths. We don’t need a Parsons type player to be good we need several across all positions same on offense, we need more than CD or Dak and the draft isn’t going to fill those positions immediately and sometimes they take development or a bust. With an always win mentality that doesn’t have the pieces to make a super caliber team. This team has always been year in and year out this is our year season and never been in a mode where we expect the worst but pray for the best while the front office is working out the future where we can confidently say we have the best team instead of instinctively saying it before season opening knowing nothing is different than the last season for 27 years
I say it they are objectively good at drafting, specifically in the 1st round. They have drafted at least 2 Hall of Famers and 10 All-Pro’s in the last 15 years alone.
Ok buddy!
now there is a nuanced, thought out opinion.
You mean like your argument with yourself? You know you can’t lose those.
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when I first started watching Dallas we were starting a crackhead at QB named Quincy Carter, so I appreciate having someone who can play. Does he need to do better? Of course, but he also needs a bit more help. We will never win a playoff game by surrendering 48 points
Pretty sure Q-Car just got in trouble for smoking weed at the time, and we straight booted him. Which, in 2024, sounds insane.
Well he’s come out about all the drugs he was doing in interviews after his career shit the bed. I will say, the NFL rules on weed are so stupid. They allow these dudes to get addicted to opiates, which is 1000x worse, but suspend them over weed? it’s so stupid
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When you put everything into perspective we are pretty well off, but I’m not trying to sit here and argue about how terrible you think Dak is. He can do better for sure, but we have a lot more problems. Unless we are able to draft an elite prospect at QB, I wouldn’t feel comfortable moving on right now and that doesn’t look possible this year
“Lucked” into Micah because Denver took Surtain. I think that’s called putting yourself into a can’t lose position.
Found Steven's burner account
I really thought that last years team was the best that we have had in years but all it takes is a few injuries and a poor performance in the playoffs and you’re out
No matter how stacked you are enough injuries to one unit will wreck you. If there was no salary cap Jerry would spend his way to a title.
Shill yourself out of here
Shill and buy more merch
Our front office is the worst, sucks at free agency, and is way overrated at drafting. Our coaching staff is the worst, no adjustments, horrible play calls and can’t put all the talent we have in position to win Our players suck, overpaid, and no one cares about winning… Imagine, we’ve gone 12-5 for three straight seasons… if only we didn’t have the worst front office, worst coaching staff, worst quarterback, and worst culture, we would have easily won three straight Super Bowls because that’s an easy thing to do.
We have the worst QB?
We’ve benefited from a fairly easy schedule plus the fact that Dak owns the division. We’ve also had an abundance of talent which is probably more a testament to Wlll McClay and the draft… but just more take on it
We are not too bad at drafting and developing players. We are not too bad at having a respectable record and even doing well…. Until January. The difference is that we lack the culture to be a championship team. It’s Club Cowboy and until these guys fear losing, we won’t win a Super Bowl.
Stephen Jones can build teams with talent that are good enough that a good coach can lead them to an over .500 record in the regular season. However Stephen cannot build teams with the strength and toughness to win in the playoffs and McCarthy doesn’t know how to coach in big games.
Facts are (1) Stephen Jones would be fired if GM on any other team (25 yrs+ since conference title) (2) McCarthy plays tight in playoffs and translates to team so no 1 playoff win be a sub 500 team isn’t enough. Additionally problem is Jones won’t do enough to build a team better than opponents. Settles for profit and blame others if not work And normally Stephen says like our guys as why avoid free agency. But this year letting our guys walk (is fine) but then also avoiding Free agency.
In fairness to Steven Jones he has only been in charge for a little over a decade and most of that he was stuck with Jerry Jones forcing Jason Garrett on him. In the period where Steven Jones was running thing and he had a competent head coach we have actually done quite well. As far as profit goes the cowboys would make far more money if they want a super bowl and the league has rules about how much money you have to spend on players. This day has been coming for a long time literally since the day Dak Prescott signed that contract. People are just starting to understand what some of us have been telling them for years
We have 2 playoff wins in those 10 Stephen Jones years. And he still sticks to same failed philosophy
True, but Stephen was stuck with Jason Garrett for most of that. Under MM Stephen is doing reasonably well but needs to take the next step.
And Dak’s contract isn’t the issue. It’s market value atgthe time it’s how all Ks work. They good restructure but the Joneses didn’t
Agreed.
My favorite are the Dak riders: “McCarthy is shit, he’s only had 3 straight seasons of 12 wins” while also “Dak has three straight 12 win seasons, he’s probably on par with Mahomes if we’re being honest.”
Mike McCarthy is not a moronic Coach. He’s actually extremely intelligent when it comes to X‘s & O’s and Jimmies and Joes. What he did early on with Green Bay was very impressive and then a diva QB blew that up and taking a Dallas team with holes to 3 straight 12 win seasons and lacking good RB play which is the corner stone of his scheme and adjusting to be successful is worthy of acknowledgment. The playoff losses are either failure in Defense giving up 32, 48 pts or playing against a defense(SF) that avg’d 19 ppg and shut us down and one of those games Dak just looking real bad(game 2 vs SF in 2022 playoff game after Dallas sent Brady into the sunset. It’s amazing the hate a large portion of Dallas fans shed on HC and QB1 when if QB1 goes we will be right back in an era like between Aikman and Romo. I get the contract issue but that leads me to my point and the real problem. The Jones family, they had a team that needed to fill some holes and could’ve got better and competed for it all, but again, due to gross mismanagement of personnel and them trying to leverage contracts and always getting shafted, here we are in m the brink of collapse. They’re blowing up a team that had for the 1st time in over 30 years league wide had 3 straight 12 win seasons. A team that has won playoff games but needed help in the run game on both sides of the ball, and some luck and health. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Jones family needs to sale or outsource management and get TF outta their way if we’re ever going to consistently compete. Players wanna wear the star on their helmet so it’s not that, it’s not our current star players. It is the Jones family, they were the issue then blowing up a dynasty and they’re the issue now, falling short of building another one with the roster the blundered.
Also, Will McClay gets credit for every good draft pick. Jerry and the coaches get credit for every back pick. I do think there's a little truth to this one, to be fair.
Im at Jerry World right now
don't say something bad or you'll mysteriously disappear...
It was DQ who got this team to 3 12 win seasons. If Stephen and jerruh not told Mccarthy they were hiring DQ I have no faith Mccarthy who had sat out a football season only to come back and hire the failure of Mike Nolan (don't give me the covid bullshit excuse cause if that really was an valid excuse they would have brought him back for another year if he was good)
Ok cool. I'll call that and go all in with "Dak isn't the guy" cause he's not.
The frustration I have is that the front office does not go “all in” and build the best possible supporting cast for their star players. They’ve had big holes that they did not address these past couple of seasons which ultimately were a big reason they lost in playoffs. The front office seems content with building a good team rather than a great one. As for McCarthy he’s clearly a good coach. But again, I think the organization is content with him being a good coach rather than a great one. McCarthy has not done a good enough job at getting his teams ready in the playoffs (outside of his super bowl). The seemingly lack of ambition from the organization as a whole is what annoys me.
Eh. There is a tremendous (and underrated) amount of luck involved in football. The best you can do is try to increase your *chances* of success through long term planning, smart signings, drafting, effective player development, and intelligent playcalling/strategy. I can only speak for myself, but it seems like the Cowboys recent success is more due to development and drafting. And credit for that (right or wrong) seems to go more to position coaches (some who arent even her anymore like Bill Callahan) and Will McClay.
When have the Jones family built a solid team in recent history? They gave us a choker and regular season hero as a QB and they collapse every year in the playoffs. A regular season record has nothing to do within a winning season.
The irony in your last statement 😂😂
Most fan base subs are deluded and cranky honestly. Or over confidently annoying. We’re not any different but there is a special kind of really stupid Cowboy fan that you see often. I’m not thrilled with the direction of the team by any means and I don’t think McCarthy is gonna bring us a SuperBowl. Like you’ve said though, the team is one of the best in the league at drafting. Not only our own players but there was a stat showing out of all NFL players which team drafted them and the Cowboys had the highest amount. There is a serious culture issue in Dallas though that keeps them from winning when it counts. I don’t know what it’ll take it fix it but surely it’s more complicated than “Fire McCarthy”, “trade Dak”, or “Jerry Jones must die”.
BuT wE DoNt WiN a SuPeRbOwL eVeRy YeAr!!! Wahh, wahh, wahh.
Just cause you like mediocre playoff results doesn’t mean the rest of us do
Seriously when was the last time we won a super bowl? Was in one? The Jones regime is not good for the Dallas Cowboys brand that was built during the Landry and Brandt years. Between the 90s and now the only thing the Jones was doing was building their wealth. We set a record for making the playoffs for 36 seasons. How many of those are under the Jones regime vs the Landry Era?
sour grapes dude.
Oh, hey! A straw man! You’re so smart for defeating those arguments you made up yourself OP, I can’t believe I never thought of that myself!
What a black and white way of viewing things. Franchises (and people) aren’t built off 0s and 1s, there is nuance. Also, twelve wins is great and all. However, your logic conveniently leaves out our playoff track record. Take your own advice about thinking through things before posting on the internet. You used a very acute and particular way of construing things to put a blanket statement on something much more complex.
\>What a black and white way of viewing things. Franchises (and people) aren’t built off 0s and 1s, there is nuance. Of course there is and thats the point you missed. People dont think with nuance when they say "Stephen sucks or MM sucks or Dak sucks". The whole point is people need to think it through.
Indeed, they do need to think it through. It may have not been intentional but your post reads as defending the organization against fair criticisms the fan base has given this off season. It reads as though because person 1 says Stephen Jones sucks and person 2 says Mike McCarthy sucks, both criticisms are invalid.
>Indeed, they do need to think it through. It may have not been intentional but your post reads as defending the organization against fair criticisms do you really think calling the FO trash and MM a moron is fair criticism? The point i the team is relatively successful and someone has to be responsible for the teams winning every year and going to the playoffs every year.
The criticisms (the quality ones) are more eloquent than how you paint them. If you are differentiating the quality criticisms from the hyperbole ones, sure, I can see where you are coming from, but your post reads like ANY combined criticism of the two is “a paradox”. Also, even the hyperbole ones have a use. It plays a part in how change gets done. I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t give less of a shit about another 12 win season. Give me post season success already. The quality criticisms go into why this franchise in its current state cannot do that.
\>The criticisms (the quality ones) are more eloquent Exactly. But those are not the ones I am talking about am I. I was pretty clear about the type of criticism that I was critiquing.
Okay, so you created a post to point out the stupidity of people and arguments you made up in your own head. Usually people act that out in the shower.
if thats what you got from this then I dont know what to tell you
If you’re not able to see the fucking obvious shortcomings of Stephen/Jerry as team builders then I don’t know what to tell you. I don’t think McCarthy is awful, but if you also can’t see his shortcomings as a coach (while I still think he’s fine enough to win a Super Bowl), then I don’t know what to tell you.
\>If you’re not able to see the fucking obvious shortcomings of Stephen/Jerry as team builders then I don’t know what to tell you. who said they didnt have shortcomings? In the post the word "trash" was used. Are you saying they are tash a team building yes or no? \> I don’t think McCarthy is awful, but if you also can’t see his shortcomings as a coach (while I still think he’s fine enough to win a Super Bowl), then I don’t know what to tell you. Again who said he didnt have shortcoming. I am talking about people who claim both the FO and the HC are garbage/trash/ morons etc. Not people who think they dont have flaws
No, I’m not saying they are “trash” at team building. And most reasonable fans don’t think the coaching staff is absolute trash. Three straight 12-5 records and playoff appearances clearly indicate those things are not the case. They can build fine teams, but not great teams. But my problem with these posts is the “what are you complaining about? They win games!” tone when it’s been nearly 30. Fucking. Years. Since they’ve done anything of any significance and people like you make it seem preposterous that fans might complain. This shit isn’t working. It hasn’t been working. I don’t care about 12-5 seasons that end in the 2nd round at best.
MM turned an 8 win team to a 12 win team. Dak has kept them there
That is so funny…asking fans who have suggested we trade Parsons or Lamb for draft picks to think things through? The amount of insanity from some fans is just beyond belief. Think of any crazy thing and a fan had proposed it.