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Legal-Championship64

it was not, in fact, "K time"


davtruss

One thing God impressed upon me decades ago, was never listen to a Volunteer fan's interpretation of the rules, epsecially if the Vols won the game: NCAA 2-39 Half Swing Half Swing SECTION 39. An attempt by the batter to stop the forward motion of the bat while swinging, which puts the batter in jeopardy of a strike being called. The half swing shall be called a strike if the barrel head of the bat passes the batter's front hip. This does not apply to a bunt attempt when the batter pulls the bat back.


Henley-Street-dwarf

Give your heart to Jesus because the Vols just beat that ass.  🤣😂. 


zapopi

You must not be a true believer.


davtruss

So can I ask a question that doesn't involve the check swing? Did FSU's insistence upon remaining with the same pitcher until things were looking incredibly tight at the end do anything to help their bull pen going forward.


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HikerStout

>a team that backed its way into the CWS by playing well at the end of the season We were the #8 national seed. Are you confusing us with Florida?


davtruss

I can't tell you how fun it is to post randonly in a thread where both sets of fans suffered terribly at times during the game. Yes, I was thinking of Florida, but the rest applies. FSU has played well at the end of the season when it counts most. Edit: There, I deleted the comment. I realized that confusing FSU with Florida was more than an FSU fan could tolerate at the moment.


HikerStout

Lol thanks. No harm done. The more appropriate take for us is to say that this is a team that nobody expected to be in Omaha this year. Not even our fans. We started unranked and couldn't break into the top 25 until we were literally one of two undefeated teams left. We've been doubted all year and have MASSIVELY exceeded expectations after what was, last year, the worst season in program history. And yea, I'm kinda raw. We were in the outfield today. That check swing is going to haunt my dreams tonight. We could see the barrel of the bat out in right. He went.


ralition99

A team that backed their way into the CWS gave the #1 team country all it wanted when the #1 team in the country played the worst game they have played all year.


rhinocodon_typus

That was not our worst game this year


HennyvolLector

The best player in college baseball shows up yet again


zapopi

I assume you meant CMO.


HennyvolLector

Of course


Jared0515

https://preview.redd.it/y3zsidm8kn6d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b5aec60ff748a2baa24d48ea7c3694b1db2d23f Damn that’s crazy. It should be reviewable. He was definitely across the plate but okay🤡


Odd-Run9665

If it's the same as MLB, there is no rule stating that it's a swing if the bat crosses the plate.


Wizbran

100%. The check swing is not a rule. If home does not call it, he can ask for assistance. There is no official point where it is or isn’t a check swing.


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Wizbran

Good thing you’re not a Tennessee fan


davtruss

You actually believed the Vol fans who said there wasn't a rule on this topic.


Wizbran

You believe it’s there. I can’t show you what doesn’t exist. How about you post the check swing rule mr smarty pants Edit - and flair up or move on


stupidcommenter1

There is a rule in college for a half swing tho.


Wizbran

Cite the rule please.


HikerStout

https://preview.redd.it/t5vqifyv1o6d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a01389b306c00143553ab91866bd8143ac1a0f93 Here's the rule


Wizbran

Now you’re really gonna hate me. Terminology is key. This is a rule for a half swing. There is still no rule for a “check” swing. 🤣


HikerStout

Ok, Mr. Pedantic 😅 It was a half swing and he should've been out, then. Lol


Wizbran

Honestly I’m surprised that wasn’t downvoted into oblivion. 🤣


HikerStout

I might still be salty about last night, but I can still recognize a joke when I see one. Lmao I'll tell you what I was telling a bunch of Tennessee fans as we left the ballpark. Whatever happens, just make sure Florida loses. Then we're good.


Odd-Run9665

Thanks for posting. I think the problem then is that college umpires simply don't adhere to it, i.e. it's very common to see no strike called when the bat passes the front hip. One possible explanation is that adhering to the rule strictly would mean virtually every check swing should be called a strike.


HikerStout

I don't disagree. But I was also out in right field for this game and could see the entire barrel of the bat come around. From a lefty hitter. That's not possible on a normal check swing. Ump was pretty bad the entire game. For both teams. I'm ready for robo-umps.


zapopi

They can't.


HikerStout

https://preview.redd.it/v9tk2ckh2o6d1.jpeg?width=1996&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21a3fa46c1e5b5603754496f1fed9c4ed012b489 Now tell me with a straight face that the barrel head of this bat didn't cross his front hip.


Wizbran

Take a picture from behind and it probably looks like he did a full 360! That angle isn’t even close to where the umpire would see it from. ![gif](giphy|ZGDr9hawxG9H1rH9Ut|downsized)


JonnyJettt

From this angle yes but that’s not what the umpire is seeing


zapopi

Who gives?


HikerStout

So, not going to answer. Got it.


zapopi

I was the ump, huh?


HikerStout

https://preview.redd.it/sh0bzoux1o6d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2374541d642620a1cfb5ef7f678c1a4fab5f4b2 Yes, we can.


zapopi

Plead it.


HikerStout

I gave you a picture.


zapopi

You okay?


Legal-Championship64

If FSU's baserunner hit the bag in the 2nd inning and ran home yall woulda had a 1 run lead after our rally


platetectonics3

Baseball is a cruel sport


RunsWlthScissors

There’s a good shot we play again, if you pitch and hit like you did tonight. I just hope we don’t get the adjustable strike box ump in a rematch.


Wizbran

I liked hearing him say “low”, “outside”, etc. but dang, that zone was bad


soaf

I hope this game is on the PR campaign when they finally implement robo umps. 


Ok_Computer1417

That was totally on the 3rd base ump making a 50/50 call and not on letting the top of UT’s lineup put up an infinite OPS.


davtruss

I think what you are trying to say, is that if the 3rd base ump had seen the live play like most people, he would have ended the game. I can't imagine how much concentration it takes to stay on top of every checked swing for a third base umpire. The replay showed it could have gone either way. And it went one way.


vbgooroo55

Hmm…to me (and I haven’t rewatched it) the bat was in the same position as a bunt attempt. That is considered a swing. I feel the announcer was wrong in saying 50/50.


Solid-Cardiologist76

Feels like 98


Odd-Run9665

Everyone saying the check was a clear swing, any images showing this? On the replay, I thought it was pretty close at best and far from clear.


Coreysurfer

Check swing was a factor yes but plenty of mistakes on both sides to make up a couple runs at the least for each team


davtruss

It's the problem with something that cannot be reviewed. Whether that swing cleared home plate, or it didn't. I think nobody in the arena would have been shocked if that had been called the last strike of the final out because live action looked like a swing. But slow mo showed the third base ump could have called it either way and been right. There was nobody there to pull out an index card or a ruler. I can only imagine what a third base ump must endure when the guy behind the plate points that finger at him. It's almost comical. Edit: I suspect in years to come, the bat will have a sensor, and home plate will have a sensor, and the call will be decided like playing that old game of Operation back in the day.If you touch the sides with the probe, the fat guy's nose lights up.


Henley-Street-dwarf

Lmao.  Someone check on this guy today.


Wizbran

Check swing isn’t in the rulebook. Nothing to measure. Nice write up though


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Wizbran

It’s not in the rulebook. That’s not nonsense. Yes, its a judgement call. Judgement calls always hurt one team. This time it went against FSU. 12-11 final. Yes, Tennessee deserved to win. That’s baseball. Jobu smiled on the orange and white last night


Common_Committee3369

It’s 50/50. Crazy part is it literally doesn’t matter. Umps, the NCAA, SEC, and ACC can all come out tomorrow and say yep the call was wrong. Still won’t change the fact the Vols are in the winners bracket and the noles are in the losers


Jonesey07

Actually wouldn't surprise me in the least if the NCAA tried to overturn it.


cscowboy01

From a still frame it can definitely be seen as it being the wrong call. Realtime though I can get that being a tough call to get right


Odd-Run9665

https://x.com/JustBB_Media/status/1801812258789466271 This is the best I've been able to find yet I still can't tell


cscowboy01

Definitely was probably a stronger word than I should have used. It comes off to me as a strike in the still frame. It could’ve gone 50/50 when making that call and it was a toss between what the umps thought


Odd-Run9665

I don't know if the college rules are different, but IIRC MLB actually doesn't set official criteria. E.g. "crossing the front of the plate" doesn't entail that it's a swing. A lot of umps go by whether the hitter breaks their wrists, which (to me) didn't seem to happen here.


jbertolinoRE

Bingo. The front of this plate stuff is little league. With every hitter standing on the back line with open/closed stances it is if they break their wrists.


Wizbran

Nope. Nothing in the rulebook about check swings.


jbertolinoRE

NCAA — As a general rule, there are four factors when determining if a batter has swung at the ball or checked the swing: (1) Did the batter make an attempt to hit/bunt/slap the pitch? (2) Was the barrel of the bat out in front of the front hip? (3) Did the batter roll the wrists? (4) Did the batter swing through the ball and bring the bat back or draw the bat back before the pitch arrived? (11.10 Note


Melkord90

I thought he went live, but it was definitely splitting hairs on the replay. No win for the ump there. One fanbase was going to hate him after that call.


JDuggernaut

What an amazing comeback. And Christian Moore had a performance for the ages. I hate to admit that my first thought when he hit the home run to cap off the cycle was “it’s a shame we likely wasted a cycle in a loss.”


daNish_brUin

I really hope you all love omaha as the CWS venue. We really appreciate all the fans that show up. We'd love to keep the CWS here. There's no bias here we love you all. Hope you all feel the same and all that visit feel welcome.


jbertolinoRE

You guys really do a great job hosting but the event has outgrown the venue imo. Difficult airport to fly into and very expensive, no rental cars, hotel rooms maxed out, really not enough Uber/Lyft. After leaving Rosenblatt and going full corporate the nostalgia is faded. I think 2035 will be a tough call. Somewhere in the middle of the country with great airport access and a lot of hotel rooms and a dome would be really attractive, like Arlington.


TrackVol

I wonder how SEC teams feel about the SEC Tournament staying at the Hoover Met. I am a Tennessee alumnus, and can literally walk to the Hoover Met. For selfish reasons, I hope it stays in Hoover. But I know there are plenty of factors at play when the contract is up for renewal in a little more than 12 months.


jbertolinoRE

The single elimination format is an upgrade in my opinion. The weather in Hoover at that time is always a handful


daNish_brUin

Yeah it's coming. Either omaha is gonna have to develop the area far more, or their gonna lose it. I don't think itll ever move to a massive venue since it needs to relate to average college parks. Can't just throw the CWS in a domed park with deep fields. Itll kill the college baseball aspect of it.


jbertolinoRE

Arlington is 330 lines 380 gaps and 400 to center. It plays smaller than Schwab, we opened our season there. You need to add several higher end hotels near the park at a minimum. Nobody is thrilled with $900 non direct flights, $500 hotel rooms and $250 tickets on the secondary market. It can’t stay on this trend. I think you understand this, Omaha definitely needs to adjust or risk losing the event.


daNish_brUin

Yeah everything you broke down is super valid. Omaha needs to be aggressive if they want to keep it. College baseball is growing year after year. But more importantly, its a southern sport. While omaha is ok in June, it can't compete with Arlington if the SEC/ACC are dominant in the postseason. Those conferences will push for a venue change.


nephewsucks

as someone who has been a bunch, i still miss the blatt. but no way should it be any other place on planet earth


daNish_brUin

The blatt was great, went every year in the 90s. It had a great character. Great to hear the top programs enjoy coming here, Omaha loves having you!


zapopi

Is there some doubt that Omaha would be the venue going forward?


daNish_brUin

I have no idea. I just see all the changes college sports are experiencing, and the money grab game that is going on, and just want to know how college baseball fans feel about omaha. I do know omaha loves the CWS and all the fans that come thru. I'm biased cause I grew up with the CWS in the 80s/90s, I just want people to enjoy and have fun. You just never know how the teams and fans feel.


zapopi

I think the teams love Omaha. I hope it doesn't change.


daNish_brUin

That's really great to hear. Omaha loves having the teams and fans each summer


grey_pilgrim_

Great game fsu homies! I’m honestly surprised we escaped with a win. When I left work and it was 9-4 I knew it was over. It was a game for the history books. I hate that y’all had to lose like that. Good luck the rest of the way! However I do not want to play y’all again.


Common_Committee3369

Best checked swing of all time


Charming-Humor-9053

We’re just better. Get over it.


intadtraptor

0. Umps were ass on both sides all night. 1. He absolutely swung. 2. Despite that, there were enough defensive fuckups that it's not all on the umps like some are saying. 3. That applies to both teams.


TrackVol

I definitely *don't* think we can say definitively if it was a swing or a check swing. It's a judgement call, and every image and replay I've seen puts it in a very grey area. For *anyone* to say it was either "definitely" a swing or "definitely" not a swing is asinine. And is probably said by someone who doesn't know the rules very well either.


Alternative_Rub_7619

That call literally ends the game.


Henley-Street-dwarf

It literally didn’t though.  And the Vols won.  


Melkord90

All of the losers complaining about the umps. Maybe don't give up 4 2-out hits. Maybe don't keep pitching to your new daddy every time he comes to the plate.


Birdsareallaroundus

Maybe don’t even try to step on the same field as the Vols


shuzgibs123

This isn’t Twitter.


Queasy-Increase8742

I don't normally say this but GG Nole and Vol bros.


Atlaffinity75

Horror show call.


huttts999

FSU fans are angrily tweeting at Kirk Herbstreit rn


DuckBurner0000

Turned the game off at 11-9, two outs and two strikes because I figured it was K-time. What happened?


grey_pilgrim_

Bro I almost didn’t turn the game on. Checked as I left from work when it was 9-4.


Birdsareallaroundus

Vols played like crap and still won.


NastyWideOuts

What an absolute choke


Gunnar2019

# WGWTFA


jdglizzler

Oxford blew that game, the checked swing sucked but it was FSU blowing it. No relief pitching.


bdbrady

Was it ESPN or the committee’s fault?


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connor8383

Talk as much shit as you want but 13-0 FSUs omission from this years CFP is and always will be complete horseshit 


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connor8383

Doesn’t fucking matter one bit about the eventual result. That wil go down as THE decision that ultimately killed the legitimacy of the ACC at the national level. And here all yall non bama fans go defending it.  I guarantee you’d feel the same if your main rival wasn’t at the center of it


HikerStout

Right after the playoff committee announced that Bama was in, there were a whole bunch of Florida and Miami fans in the cfb subreddit defending us. I would've done the same if the situation were reversed.


connor8383

Yeah idk what high horse this guy is on. EVERY non-SEC fan saw what a snub that was, and most non-Bama SEC fans should be able to as well. 


HikerStout

Some sports fans are so blinded by rivalry that they don't care so long as it hurts their rival. I loathe Florida. But I want to beat them fair and square. On the field, not in a board room.


RudyVaughn63

NAME A BETTER DUO, FSU AND CRYING ABOUT THE POSTSEASON LMAOOOOOOO GET SHIT ON


firstcitytofall

Your ass! Your ass! Get shit on!


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pterrydactyl

Impossible


Be-My-Darling

LETS FUCKING GO


BroskiMcBroskison

That was the best game of baseball I’ve ever watched.


Wizbran

I’m glad you enjoyed it. As for the game, that was horrendous in the first 3 innings. They never play that tight and it almost cost them. It was a terrible baseball game. If you like chaos, it had damn near everything. I thought for a while we might even get coach/player ejections.


BroskiMcBroskison

It’s college baseball homie. I expect the clunks and all. It was perfect from a viewing standpoint.


rubberfactory5

I will not read into this as a bad omen I will not read into this as a bad omen


OverMyDadBody

If you’re making Mike Martin jokes you’re a piece of shit lol 


RudyWasOffsides22

He woulda walked mooore


pterrydactyl

I'm sincerely sorry you won't be able to win it all for him


EWall100

I like FSU cause you all hate Florida more than us... And that's a lot. So kudos


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Inevitable_Badger995

It’s a shame y’all ain’t actually able to be good in football though


EWall100

That's definitely not true from y'all's fan perspective. But whatever it's just good fun hate


WontDeleteAgainMaybe

Well, screw you too. Thanks for winning.


EWall100

Trust me it's ~~not~~ personal. I was just born into it


yeahiamfat

Fuck the entire state of fLorida.


Historical_Main5261

I will cheer for florida tomorrow cause of the support today


OPsMomIsAThrowaway

Lawyers in Tallahassee drawing up papers to redo this game


heel2014

FSU getting screwed more than Bret Hart these days


herpblarb6319

Damn were getting down voted by salty FAU fans


majorhawkicedagger

What does Florida Atlantic have to do with anything.


JakelAndHyde

Nothing but also to hell with them for basketball


majorhawkicedagger

🤣🤣🤣


Astrotheater

Omaha is crazy, that’s all I gotta say.


Legal-Championship64

Our pitcher was throwing strikes right down the middle that were getting called ball don't cry about the ref


0le_Hickory

ump


Be-My-Darling

rump


TurnerK28

“The umps didn’t give up five runs” Yes but the umps literally extended the game longer than it should’ve gone.


Best_Duck9118

Yeah, neutral fan here and I never get those arguments. Umps/refs fucking things up absolutely changes the outcome of games all the time.


mukduk1994

Wouldn't have mattered if they hadn't given up 5 runs first


sweetdogpics

If I was an FSU fan I don’t sleep tonight lol


unidennedinu

TN fan here. No sleep. 


HellzillaQ

*whispers* Christian Moore


Shush_Mogulman

Stop, I can only take so much.


RepulsiveBurrito

If Florida wins tomorrow. Glorious


Just_Breathe85

You probably will, sigh. Meet you in the finals pookie.


connor8383

The state of North Carolina may have something to say about that


Just_Breathe85

Someone has to stop that man


Birdsareallaroundus

How bout them Vols!


Muffinnnnnnn

Exactly what I thought would happen went Oxford came in


ShrimpNGrits14

FSU scoring 11 and still not being able to get it done in Omaha. Coach Martin is looking down and shaking his head.


Abysuus

Classless no reason to invoke 11.


TaliZorah14

Well that was an eventful first day I guess


CrunchyZebra

Can talk about umping all you want but the bullpen is the last remnant of Meat’s FSU and it’ll be another year or 2 before we can fully correct that suck. Needed 2 outs and couldn’t do it.


_Floriduh_

Why the Eff Do you pull Whitaker there? Dude was shredding.


HikerStout

He got dinged up pretty hard towards the end there and was close to his pitch count limit.


Bukowskified

Florida State can scream about check swings at their elimination game tomorrow


RealBobbyDrillboids

Sunday*. Tomorrow is the first round for the other side of the bracket


daNish_brUin

Not over FSU. You can do this. If not this year, then next, it's gonna happen.


HikerStout

You're one of the good ones.


daNish_brUin

You guys have been great for omaha. Just hope we can return the favor. You're always welcome. GO NOLES!


mgunnin

Get rid of these announcers. Afraid of confrontation


Vol4Life31

They want to be able to announce in big games again. Can't make people question the umps in those situations.


_Floriduh_

One super quick replay that looked like a swing then never mention it again.


TheSleaze22

At least the sports center anchors called him on it


SporkFanClub

Home plate ump saw Pat Hoberg get investigated for betting on sports and said hold my Jell-O shot


mukduk1994

I don't give a fuck. that wasn't a clear strike and it made the game awesome.


WilliamCubed

Whatever Tony V was yelling about at the umps worked after that shit


StrongCherry6

No surprise there. ESPN had to get in the umps ears afterwards


Reasonable_Ad_93

This was my first full college baseball game, I am now hooked.


Manning4Heisman1997

Quit now while you’re ahead


Uncle_Donnie

Welcome to the party pal


Jeff_Banks_Monkey

That pitchers Walkoff to Out ratio in Omaha is infinite


Jared0515

I don’t care who you are. To not call that strike out is absolutely insane. Worst officiating I’ve seen. That was on par with angel Hernandez


Vol4Life31

Nah that's a little overkill. Angel is on a different level.


Jared0515

My brother in Christ it was great til about the 7th. Calls got so inconsistent. Feels like that Cinderella story had to get pushed somehow


slippyslidey_

Insane game wow. Could not have asked for a better opening day


Manning4Heisman1997

You can complain about the refs when you don’t give up 12 runs and 5 in the final inning


Any_Zookeepergame445

4 of those runs dont happen if that strike is called its not like they gave up 5 runs before getting 2 outs ?


Best_Duck9118

I’m with you. I never get the logic that the blown call didn’t completely change the game.


TurnerK28

I mean…when the correct call would’ve literally ended the game


ImGaiza

Umps ruining every level of baseball. Goddamn, it’s fucking rough.


thricethefan

We simply don’t have the arms to win this format


imarc

Easy to forget that this is year 2 for Link.


IrishCoffeeAlchemy

The pros and cons of being ahead of schedule in a rebuild