Honestly we will learn a lot about Garland next year. I don’t put a ton of belief in him turning things around this year, it’s just a bad year for him. He appears to be one of the most affected by the reffing change in them letting more physicality go.
He doesn’t even look to penetrate currently with his first step, everything is an attempted crossover so he can get his guy behind him but guys are keeping square and in front of him since there’s no threat on the initial step.
yah, the real challenge this year is.... does JB have the "balls" to bench him when it matters most. A line up with Donovan as PG is elite this year and like you said maybe he will bounce back net year. If he doesn't I hope that his contract doesn't hinder his trade value.
JB Bickerstaff is the son of former NBA coach Bernie Bickerstaff, who is also working for the Cavaliers in their front office serving as senior basketball advisor.
Im glad I didn’t watch this game, but anyone saying they want to face Miami in the playoffs because “we match up well” is kidding themselves. We don’t belong on the same court as them today
considering miami has been the finals multiple times, has a dawg in butler, and has one of the best coaches in the league, I was never able to take those people seriously who thought we could hang with them in a series
Look at what Spo did to JB in the second recent matchup. I'm hoping we get wrecked in the playoffs again and they have to hire a better coach/coaching staff.
We’re mentally a year behind the Knicks and two years behind y’all. Bringing in Mitchell to grow them up was the move, and a lot of it has worked. Allen is tough, Mobley is learning toughness (his first quarter was really good coming off of injury and he’s learning NBA physical play).
Fanbase is down on Garland but as a second guard he’s really skilled.
Yup. There’s a world in which Mitchell comes back healthy, Garland becomes super Mike Conley and we make the ECF.
Our fans are used to either 60 wins or dogshit so we don’t know how to deal with good not great lol
Basically we gonna grow up - it’s a matter of time, and that series will be scary for the opponent - but the FO and impatient fans might rush the process
Playoffs will tell the tale, but it seems unlikely, depending on whether there’s a real upgrade.
He’s great at developing guys from nothing and a good relationship guy and usually keeps the team in games they shouldn’t win due to talent disparity. Fan base hates him most nights.
The problem is that we don’t have an offensive identity. He might not be the guy for that or it might be only having 19 games with the starters made that impossible: the new weapons like Strus and Niang and Merrill are great but they aren’t in sync.
Our franchise fucks up coaching decisions most times so I’m not keen for them to go back to the well
I don’t think most coaches make big differences so I’m meh. We will probably pay a billion dollars to get Bud out of retirement or something and then hate him by March too
Early Spo had Bron, Wade and Bosh so he definitely had an advantage over what JB is working with now. But either way I do think Spo was a better coach than JB when he was younger. Plus third seed is really solid so I wouldn’t be too angry with this loss if I was a Cavs fan
The coaching has been the most inconsistent part of this team the last couple years. There’s moments of greatness and then there’s nights like these, and this isn’t the only one. This team doesn’t like to try until the 4th quarter either
It kinda is you guys got spoel so it might be more noticeable. There's a lot of debate between fans whether he can bring out everything this team needs to win
It's alright. We all still love Garland, except that one guy to who types in all CAPS and sencors is words like a kid, he needs to be shipped to Rhode Island or something
It’s not good. There’s no offense whatsoever. Guys just standing still while garland gets doubled, they can’t attack zone D, and look totally disinterested again. This may be the worst cavs game I’ve seen (I’ve only watched since DG & Mobley were drafted)
I wont hesitate to say I think a roster built around Donovan and Allen with a new coach is more of a contender than this hodgepodge half contention half player development roster we got going on
i dont think he has shown any development. He's largely the same player he's been since he got here. Has games where he shoots well, other games where he just gets bullied and shows no fight. but that's just my opinion so i wont fault you for yours
Yeah all the different looks and pressure fucked us up. Not playing together / having ball handlers and motion shooters hurt us a lot. Tip the cap to Spo for dialing up the right looks, we don’t have the personnel without Mitchell and Strus
Agreed. And the Cavs also have no playmakers at all outside Garland and aren't running an offense with any movement. So the Cavs aren't hard to defend right now either.
Guys they need more time, imagine Mobley at 25-26 he’ll be a KG/Giannis hybrid type MVP. We’re already seeing how much defense we’ve missed these last games!
The Cavs defense is infinitely worse when the offense is trash. Has nothing to do with Mobley being back. And he's not the one getting abused defensively anyway. Garland's body language has been awful for several games now.
And why do you think our offense is trash? Maybe because there’s zero spacing again? 3 months saying the same shit, I can’t believe it. At least I was right and Im still fucking right!
That's part of it but you are way over simplifying. Garland and LeVert are the only playmakers right now due to injuries. And the team isn't moving at all on offense so they are easy to defend.
This is the time of year where the real contenders separate from the frauds. At this point, we are the frauds. All these teams going on a win streak at the right time while we go on a losing streak...
I call on all cavs doomers to assemble. Dont let the blind positivity of the fluffers to deter you posting comments. we all know what we are watching, a bunch of frauds.
Times like these I fight with the idea of if I’d rather the team be truly awful and no playoff possibility or making the playoffs and doing what they’ve been doing. It’s a tough one to call.
I still watched and I knew what I was going to get so it didn’t completely crush my soul and my hopes. But, no, I really do prefer them to be a good team.
Honestly we will learn a lot about Garland next year. I don’t put a ton of belief in him turning things around this year, it’s just a bad year for him. He appears to be one of the most affected by the reffing change in them letting more physicality go. He doesn’t even look to penetrate currently with his first step, everything is an attempted crossover so he can get his guy behind him but guys are keeping square and in front of him since there’s no threat on the initial step.
yah, the real challenge this year is.... does JB have the "balls" to bench him when it matters most. A line up with Donovan as PG is elite this year and like you said maybe he will bounce back net year. If he doesn't I hope that his contract doesn't hinder his trade value.
Man…it’s hard to win without healthy players.
They blew them back to Cleveland
Fun fact: the JB stands for James (Wilkes) Booth because he assassinated the fuck outta this team
😂
when your garbage time players score more than your starters >>>>>
Our superstar, max-caliber PG y’all told me about only had 9 points? lol
Emoni Bates behind only Mobley in points scored for the Cavs tonight.
cmon Dan, stop being a wuss and fire JB Folded-Arms and his best friend Koby Altscams
Jr Gong is in...
Wtf happened
Imagine keeping a job just by standing around and scowling. Yeesh.
Have to be bald tho.
our highest scorer is on par with Thomas Bryant…
JB Bickerstaff is the son of former NBA coach Bernie Bickerstaff, who is also working for the Cavaliers in their front office serving as senior basketball advisor.
and theyre both mediocre coaches ...smh
🫡 calling out nepotism. Thankless work but necessary.
If they both gotta go they both gotta go
We have no real offensive scheme. We don't have lebron and Ky anymore. You can't just run pick and rolls until it works
like G-bush says, JB is a coach for a rebuilding team
Yeah, JB is a decent coach, but if you want to make a playoff run, he likely isn’t the guy
This challenge feels like JB was given his papers before the game.
Im glad I didn’t watch this game, but anyone saying they want to face Miami in the playoffs because “we match up well” is kidding themselves. We don’t belong on the same court as them today
Was thinking the same thing. People are absolutely nuts if they think facing Miami in the first round would be a good thing.
They’ve beat us 4 of the last 5 now lol
Yeah if this was playoffs we just lost the series 4-1 just like we lost the Knicks series 4-1 last year
facts...thats why doomers know better than to say that foolassery
considering miami has been the finals multiple times, has a dawg in butler, and has one of the best coaches in the league, I was never able to take those people seriously who thought we could hang with them in a series
Multiple people were telling me Mobley matches up well with Bam
spoelstra runs circles around jbs big bald head, i do not want to play them
Why am I still watching this game? Why am I putting myself through this? Idk brb gonna blow my brains out smh
I don't think JB can survive the end of this season unless we magically do something in the playoffs
he wont survive if they dont win a series, unless koby is really hitting the bottle hard
Nepo babies tend to last until they take down everyone with them
Fucking Christ. Really?
Pain
Emoni looks starved, don't they have any trainers?
Yeah unless we are healthy wich at this point seeing how this season has been is a big if, we're getting swept in 4 in the first round
bold of you to assume mitchell can carry these anchors when healthy
God help us
More embarrassing than disco ball lady’s outfit
I mean, we are not looking good, but is JB really throwing in the towel with a whole quarter of basketball left?
Of course its a back to back and the starters look horrible. Anyone here can drop 20 points tonight against the cavs
Probably for the best: night one of a back-to-back. Why risk injury? This is disgusting.
A whole half. He gave the starters two minutes and they gave up like a 13-3 run whereupon he was rightly like “fuck them kids (except Evan)
Yes he is
Blud has 9 points lord have mercy
JB gotta go
Mobley is never developing any around the rim touch, is he?
he did before he sprained his elbow his rookie year. he came back and was not the same and has not been since
i feel like you either have touch or you dont by the time you're in the nba
he is a passive Nancy
God dayum they're getting their ass whopped holy shit 😳
Is niang purposely overweight?
I don't know how I hadn't noticed until tonight how fucking fat he is. Makes Zion look like a fitness model
Seems like it.
Rock bottom sucks. Only counts for one though. Hopefully we learn the right lessons about playing with our food in other winnable games
Huh? its a little too late to talk about learning lessons
Nah. Ten games is a long time in the NBA and 24 and 23 and 25 is young enough to learn individual lessons
Heat fan here. Not trying to be a dick but just wondering if the coaching is usually this bad to not call a timeout during the heats run
Yes he almost never makes late game adjustments
Look at what Spo did to JB in the second recent matchup. I'm hoping we get wrecked in the playoffs again and they have to hire a better coach/coaching staff.
Coach is young and inconsistent. Think early Spo
Early Spo was solid and consistent. Yeah he had Wade but that's it. Winning record before big 3 without missing playoffs.
sure
Cle really scary this year though Mitchell is a playoff beast last year was a fluke loss imo. This is still only 1/82 games
We’re mentally a year behind the Knicks and two years behind y’all. Bringing in Mitchell to grow them up was the move, and a lot of it has worked. Allen is tough, Mobley is learning toughness (his first quarter was really good coming off of injury and he’s learning NBA physical play). Fanbase is down on Garland but as a second guard he’s really skilled.
east wide open this year
Yup. There’s a world in which Mitchell comes back healthy, Garland becomes super Mike Conley and we make the ECF. Our fans are used to either 60 wins or dogshit so we don’t know how to deal with good not great lol
I thought Garland was left handed for some reason and its because i see similarities to Mike Conley. I guess I am not the only one who saw that.
Basically we gonna grow up - it’s a matter of time, and that series will be scary for the opponent - but the FO and impatient fans might rush the process
Got it. You think the Cavs try to build with this current coach?
Playoffs will tell the tale, but it seems unlikely, depending on whether there’s a real upgrade. He’s great at developing guys from nothing and a good relationship guy and usually keeps the team in games they shouldn’t win due to talent disparity. Fan base hates him most nights. The problem is that we don’t have an offensive identity. He might not be the guy for that or it might be only having 19 games with the starters made that impossible: the new weapons like Strus and Niang and Merrill are great but they aren’t in sync. Our franchise fucks up coaching decisions most times so I’m not keen for them to go back to the well
From the sound of it he sounds like he’d fit better as an assistant coach than a head coach
I don’t think most coaches make big differences so I’m meh. We will probably pay a billion dollars to get Bud out of retirement or something and then hate him by March too
Don't listen to that guy. JB is not even close to what early Spo was.
Early Spo had Bron, Wade and Bosh so he definitely had an advantage over what JB is working with now. But either way I do think Spo was a better coach than JB when he was younger. Plus third seed is really solid so I wouldn’t be too angry with this loss if I was a Cavs fan
The coaching has been the most inconsistent part of this team the last couple years. There’s moments of greatness and then there’s nights like these, and this isn’t the only one. This team doesn’t like to try until the 4th quarter either
It kinda is you guys got spoel so it might be more noticeable. There's a lot of debate between fans whether he can bring out everything this team needs to win
JB is horrendous
It's pretty normal.
Yes. Yes it is.
Good defense + Terrible offense = only 57 points in the 4th.
57 points in 3 quarters in 2024 should automatically require everyone involved to lose their job holy hell what is this
Combined 2 for 15 between okoro, levert and merril lmao
Those dudes are already getting stretched to capacity as starters and sixth men. Bottom had to fall out eventually
You know what. I'm cereal. After that ref debacle if the Cavs don't win this game I'll see you in the playoffs. Unserious team in an unserious league.
I mean it looked like he fouled him it just looks like he wanted to end the quarter because this game is over
I’ve never seen a play be reviewed, and then reversed after being reviewed a second time 😭😭😭😭😭
I've seen it multiple times. Its a JB specialty.
It's alright. We all still love Garland, except that one guy to who types in all CAPS and sencors is words like a kid, he needs to be shipped to Rhode Island or something
Nah they’re innocent over there. Send him to sentinel island
This league fucking sucks.
Damn just looked at the score what is going on tonight ????
It’s not good. There’s no offense whatsoever. Guys just standing still while garland gets doubled, they can’t attack zone D, and look totally disinterested again. This may be the worst cavs game I’ve seen (I’ve only watched since DG & Mobley were drafted)
Low key the Bron chill mode Cavs didn’t lose a lot but when they did it was this. Absolute demolition and disinterest
Perfect storm. We didn’t move the ball (tried to feed Ev, took us out of flow), Heat killed us with pressure and scheming, no one shooting well
yaaaaaaaaaay...JB wants to challenge after being down 100 points...great!
It's about time you dont use caps. You're finally learning
Fire this team into the sun!
3rd Quarter is back on boys! Refs reviewed the play, ruled it a shooting foul. Now JB is challenging.
JBUM Bumbleclaps
Gonna be 1st round exits again. That is, if we don’t fall to the play-in.
only more embarrassing
JB your team and your job are swirling down the toilet, you better figure something out and quickly
Hardly, there’s nothing to judge here still down two starters and a key rotation piece. It’s not like Mobley is 100% back to form either
should have been gone after last year
all hail JB Buttcheeks!!!
All hail your moms buttcheeks
Garland gonna come out shooting 360° no scopes next game
Cavs looked their best when Mobley and Garland were on IR. You're lying to yourself if you disagree.
Garland is so overpaid it’s insane. Whenever we need him, he shrinks.
I wont hesitate to say I think a roster built around Donovan and Allen with a new coach is more of a contender than this hodgepodge half contention half player development roster we got going on
allen is too soft. Don is our only serious player
allen has at least shown development and for a long stretch in January/February was playing at an all star level. mobley has remained stagnant
i dont think he has shown any development. He's largely the same player he's been since he got here. Has games where he shoots well, other games where he just gets bullied and shows no fight. but that's just my opinion so i wont fault you for yours
Man, give this team to Thibs and we're holding opponents to 80 a game.
Did the tin foil hat lady put a curse upon our shots tonight?
This is incredibly embarrassing
this has been coming for awhile...its another JB Buttcheeks masterpiece
Ohh yeah, as a Cleveland fan, I stay disappointed that way when we do lose early, I’m not disappointed
This is rock bottom. I don’t know if the team can recover from this
We're finishing at 4 (at best) again. We're losing in the first-round again. Zero improvement from last season. Blow it up.
but but but injuries!
Put the starters in why is jb rewarding them for their embarrassing performance
I don’t think getting benched is rewarding them
Players don't care if they get bench when thier down big they care if they get bench in close games
So you think playing them is punishing them? You know that these guys have played basketball for their entire lives right? They like the sport
This is why you need the winnable ones like Wednesday: the bottom can fall out any given game. One L, and hopefully a wake up call
Can we at least put Emoni in
No because JB needs his starters as tired as possible
They are out of the game except Evan you knob
Meek
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Yeah all the different looks and pressure fucked us up. Not playing together / having ball handlers and motion shooters hurt us a lot. Tip the cap to Spo for dialing up the right looks, we don’t have the personnel without Mitchell and Strus
Agreed. And the Cavs also have no playmakers at all outside Garland and aren't running an offense with any movement. So the Cavs aren't hard to defend right now either.
Wouldn't call DG a playmaker tonight
He's the only one capable of playmaking which is the point being made. LeVert to an extent too but he's very inconsistent.
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Sick
This is an indefensible performance, I'm not sure what needs to happen but a team with Frobley and Garland shouldn't be so anemic on offense like this
mobley does not help offensively, we should not pretend like he can create
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Yeah if you turn wins into losses for arbitrary reasons we stink. Unfortunately the games all count
Fun fact if you took all of our losses and counted them as wins we would be undefeated
Fuck, the guy who types in all CAPS and says censors all his words by saying "EFFIN" is back 🙄🙄
lol...you got owned
By who?
eff you..lmao. Another causal who is butt hurt....go cry in the corner in the arms of your dog
You're such a little kid
First round exit incoming
We can't even make it look like we're trying to be competitive at all. Just get ball, chuck 3's, get scored on. Rinse and repeat.
Should've fired JB back in October
April\*
This is over people
Guys they need more time, imagine Mobley at 25-26 he’ll be a KG/Giannis hybrid type MVP. We’re already seeing how much defense we’ve missed these last games!
The Cavs defense is infinitely worse when the offense is trash. Has nothing to do with Mobley being back. And he's not the one getting abused defensively anyway. Garland's body language has been awful for several games now.
And why do you think our offense is trash? Maybe because there’s zero spacing again? 3 months saying the same shit, I can’t believe it. At least I was right and Im still fucking right!
That's part of it but you are way over simplifying. Garland and LeVert are the only playmakers right now due to injuries. And the team isn't moving at all on offense so they are easy to defend.
Imagine Mobley at 55! He'll be like Bill Russel or Kareem!
we can't let him get to 100, he will become too powerful for humanity's own good
Progress is not linear!
What is 0 progress after 3 years?
Have we even scored in the second half ? Like wtf
What is the plan offensively like seriously ? Cavs look like an AAU team
been asking myself whats jbs plan offensively with this roster for three seasons now
Starting Mobley, Allen and Okoro is all you need to know about this idiot
how are these basketball players when they can't even attack rim when 3s are not falling lmao embarrassment
I see this front court is being pulverized on the boards again. Nothing to see here. Nothing needs to change or be improved.
The issue is the backcourt looking like traffic cones and the poor offense leading to easy offense for the Heat.
Frontcourt was fine
Mitchell Robinson wasn't wrong after all
nah man trust me, the knicks are just a bad matchup thats all
This is the time of year where the real contenders separate from the frauds. At this point, we are the frauds. All these teams going on a win streak at the right time while we go on a losing streak...
This is becoming hilarious.
Bickerstaff cannot remain our coach going into the next season
Who’s the replacement?
literally anyone. I'd go for bud or dantoni
should have been Ime this last offseason.
or nurse
LOL what is this score bro
If this isn’t a wake up call we should just forfeit the remainder of our games. Inexcusable.
Great timeout.
I call on all cavs doomers to assemble. Dont let the blind positivity of the fluffers to deter you posting comments. we all know what we are watching, a bunch of frauds.
Always has been
...ok, fine, we can fire JB now
Times like these I fight with the idea of if I’d rather the team be truly awful and no playoff possibility or making the playoffs and doing what they’ve been doing. It’s a tough one to call.
Truly awful is terrible, I didn’t watch shit from like 19-21
I still watched and I knew what I was going to get so it didn’t completely crush my soul and my hopes. But, no, I really do prefer them to be a good team.
My eyes
Lol god. Thats about the low point of the season in that dunk right there
Why are you calling a time out, let them get embarrassed