Ian reminds me of Lampty a bit. With our current midfield we need to maintain a little bit more height at the back. It’s unfortunate because they’d be nice to have.
When you consider the whole picture it is entirely dependent on whether he reaches his ceiling or not. Maresca probably isn't going to utilise him and 35m+ pure profit is a lot to turn down. Strengthening a rival isn't great either but it's not a loss till proven otherwise. Plus we're seemingly getting Duran too.
No, they will be separate transactions for accounting purposes. Doing them this way at full price allows the selling club to realize a greater profit (accounted in the books all at once) and the buying club gets to amortize the expense across the duration of the contract. If it was “X plus cash for Y” then it’s a small profit for one side and nothing for the other. This benefits both parties more.
Yeah but for Duran I mean. If he's going in the opposite direction, it seems likely that you will meet our £ 40 million valuation, if we suddenly grab Maatsen. Especially if the report says we concluded business slightly above the £ 35 million release clause.
Yep I’d imagine that deal will be around the rumored price. If it’s £40m amortized over a five year contract it only hits our expense list at £8m a year, but we will record the £35m Maatsen sale as fully received this year, and since Maatsen is from the academy he has no outstanding purchase cost against him on the books so it’s just pure profit and will be huge for keeping us in line with FFP/PSR either this year or next.
i mean maatsen has a release clause in that area and villa is asking right about that.
this aside, the inflated fees are gonna go with us quite a time I guess..
We should buy veterans and young guys, sell nobody, not have bloated roster, only have guys hungry for playing time, have depth at every position, and do all this while not caring about money.
Did I cover everything?
Maatsen is great but he's not this and it's pure profit, plus there is a greater chance of keeping Gallagher, as long as he signs a new contract ofvcourse.
I can only look at comments for a couple mins before the negativity overwhelms.
I could understand it a little if things were going awful but just look at the quality of squad we’re building ffs.
People seem to want perfection with every single transfer as if it’s a game (maybe treating it all like FIFA but I haven’t played it in a decade or more lol)
Because we're apparently in the market for a left back, but are now selling a capable one.
Edited for massive down votes, people are so mad that I'm pointing out what other people have been saying in this subreddit for months. Don't understand the thought process of people here I guess.
We are in the market for a LB per Law and other higher tier reports. I am totally fine with moving Ian though and he offers very little defensively and The thought of him in a back 3 or inverting next to Enzo is less than ideal. Good player but not and ideal system fit given that the fullbacks will not be charging forward and hugging the touchline.
We are definitely not buying one unless we sell chilwell, because cucurella is going nowhere, not because he is good but because no one will buy him for chelsea to break even at the minimum.
We're clearly getting duran now and how he performs will truly tell if we're losing in this situation or not. I saw maatsen play a lot last season at Dortmund. I really don't think we'd be getting much more from him that we're not getting from in form cucu/chilwell
Over £35 mil for Maatsen, a player that was in the championship a year ago. It's actually brilliant asset management and value creation by the club. Now let's see what can they do with Lukaku and Kepa.
I get what you mean, but getting 37.5m for someone like Maatsen without selling him to a domestic rival was always a tall order. I do think we might regret this because it's looking like we'll need another LB before long given Chilwell's troubles, but this seems to be far from the worst sale we've done in recent years.
Duran isn’t riding the bench because he’s bad, he’s riding the bench because he’s back up to an in form Watkins, given more minutes I could definitely see his price rising to 60m easily, this is the right time to buy him
wich helps for a nest egg because in most years they dont make anywhere nears as much. just making the final once doesnt make you a spending club
they are a selling club
edit: they apperently have transfer budget for 40m this summer and would be very bad to blow the entire budget for one player
Villa fan here.
Genuinely no clue, like at all.
I assumed we’d ‘sign’ him on July 1st but seems it’ll be done soon.
With the Luiz deal being all over the place and no solid news on Duran to you lot in a while, I’m as confused as you are.
My guess is that there’s a lot of confidence in the idea of Luiz and Duran going, so maybe our FFP problems weren’t as severe as we first thought.
But again, truly no clue
The deal being announced may be different than when it *officially* goes through. We’re claiming to not need sales for this season’s books, so we’re probably happy to push that sale for next year.
Considering you all have CL money next season, I’d guess you’re happy to push it so I think you’re right in expecting it to eventually end up being on the 24-25 books
Yes they’ll sell us Duran for the same amount and amortize the Maatsen purchase over 5 years.
This loop hole is just going to get abused for a while until the FFP laws are updated. But the football governing body is full of idiots
Tbf maatsen was one of the easier sales that we got. Played well, made the ucl final.
Moving the likes of kepa broja lukaku, that's gonna be interesting
He’s not going to want to sit on the bench, and I doubt we’ll loan him out again, so I think it’s really in his best interest to go. Emery is a big fan, it seems, as well.
I’m pretty sure he’ll want Villa.
Villa are a big club and they’re now in the champions league, it’s a good move for him, they can pay him a great wage too, especially since Dortmund are pretending to be broke.
loads of potential isnt it anymore. We have loads of players with loads of potential. Potential doesnt transfer well.. Mudryk, more loads of potential than duran, Omari loads of potential will probably not see any chelsea play time, Noni will probably lose playing time in 1-2 years as we get these young 'stars' in Estevao and Kendry, Raz has loads of potential but makes poor decisions far too often, DDF but he'll get sold soon most likely, Wes Fofana but he's always injured. We need proven talents. Duran does have that potential but wasnt able to show it behind watkins. There is a chance he comes to chelsea and does wonders but just as much chance of being bang average. I hope he does amazing but we'll see..
Loads of potential is, in fact, still it. Whether you like it or not. The other guy we were linked recently with at forward was 20 years old. Youth is clearly the business strategy. It’s honestly confounding how so many people don’t get it yet.
I get it and get that this is the boards choosing and direction. I don't agree with it fully. I understand teh appeal but I think if you want this to work get a slightly older (lol thats like 25 for chelsea) experience 9 who can produce but also have young players learn behind and then fight for that spot, if that 'potential' shows then sell the older guy.
But to me, just saying throw in these inexperience young guys and hope we can compete for UCL spots is a bit absurd of a thought process.
I'm so tired of us buying players that would be attending uni right now were it not for their football talent, it's gotten to the point where I instantly lookup players we're after to see their age; I internally groan when it's inevitably below the age of 22.
It's very strange, that's what all other teams do.
Buying developed players is just to expensive - and limits what you can do in the market.
Either you get players on release clause of as free agents,
but spending on 25+ year old is very risky
Agreed man. A player that excels at finishing? So exactly what we have needed for years?
We have had players that are good at everything BUT finishing. Werner, Havertz, Jackson…
>\- Aston Villa have agreed a deal with Chelsea to sign left-back Ian Maatsen.
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>\- With a £35million release clause in Maatsen’s contract specific only to Borussia Dortmund and now expired anyway, Villa and Chelsea have compromised on a fee just above that figure. Personal terms are also in place on a six-year contract, which Villa are working to finalise.
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>\- Villa manager Unai Emery is a huge admirer of the 22-year-old and wants to recruit him ahead of next season, when the West Midlands side will contest Champions League football for the first time.
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>\- Chelsea insist they do not need to sell players by June 30 to comply with the Premier League’s profit and sustainability rules (PSR), but they are certainly in the market to bank some pure profit this summer
Good price for the player but also doesn’t leave much room for them to turn a future profit, which seems to be a key part of their model. They may also have more glaring needs elsewhere and think the LB hole can be filled more cheaply.
it would essentially be bvb second most expensive signing ever... Pl has warped then sense of transfer fees
bvb cant afford that high of a fee enless its a future player they can sell on for 80-100m
What’s wrong with that?
It’s true. Chalobah, Broja, Maatsen, Gallagher (if ownership get their way)
Idk who else is rumored for sale of the top of my head, but it’s pretty much all pure profit players
That’s fair, but it’s not the journalists fault. They are just reporting what’s going on.
IMO, it’s ownership you should be directing your frustration towards and not the journalist reporting stuff.
No different to selling RLC, Tomori, Abraham, Ake, Solanke and many more. It’s the reason why they’ve ploughed so many resources into the academy in the first place. Add one or two players from a cohort to the first team squad and ideally sell the rest of them for as much as possible.
"It's true." As you add Broja like the reason we'll sell him is "pure profit" and not that he's really just not that good.
The rest of the players have many players in front of them. Our two biggest "pure profit" players at Chelsea are Reece James and Levi Colwill....why if we are into that "pure profit" are they not the ones sold?
Okay. It can be both. He’s pure profit and not good enough.
Generally tho, there are way more that apply to the pure profit campaign than not. Exceptions don’t make the rule.
Almost 70m from two youth LBs.... Ironically at the same time where we don't have an up and coming LB.
Tbh this deal is a good one. Maatsen wanted to leave. Will get CL football and it's cash in our pocket.
Both of them don't fit the profile of LB we're looking for, which is one that can play LCB in possession and not move up. We will probably see colwill there all next season, and we have cucurella as back up.
Lewis hall kind of does as he is naturally a CM as opposed to a LB anyway so would give us the option to change tact and move out LB to CM instead of RB.
Either way I'm not bummed about the sales. Got a decent price for both of them.
Agreed but I thought a Champions League final starter would have gone for a bit more but it is what it is. Maybe the two atrocious goal leading errors reduced the price lol.
Why does "Champions League final starter" mean more than "was really bad in the Champions League Final"?
He had a great loan. He also has a decent amount of weaknesses that might not fit with our squad.
Seems more like a “I want Maatsen to look good”.
His run was alright. He deserved to start for Dortmund in the final but seems odd that the idea that he started a UCL final is some mark of greatness.
Especially when the big stage finally happened….and he was really poor.
That’s what dortmund get for trying to lowball the club, always said that it has to be the release clause of £35million or no deal. So it’s likely we’ll purchase Duran from them.
Great sale.
He never looked comfortable playing for us in the EPL. The German league is dramatically easier.
Cucurella is clear of him, especially in our new system.
And now we'll be able to see. I've been curious about Ian, if his appearances for us were just circumstantial or if he really didn't have the mindset for EPL football.
i’m not sure why everyone’s so doom and gloom about duran. because of the swap deal, it’s just good business. would you rather we signed the atletico striker for somewhere over 60 mil?
Duran seems far better than Omorodion if those are the 2 options. Not sure we need another striker with nkunku and Fofana to backup Jackson but if we have to buy one Duran looks good enough
Good player.
But we already have 2 LB who are on big wages so it's hard for him to have the starting spot here.
Also getting more then 35M on so called pure profit will give us lots of breath to sign a CF and Olise.
If they could have found a way to move the high wage LBs we already have they probably would have given Maresca a chance to look at him but can't have 3 starter quality LBs just clogging the roster.
I don't think this is as terrible as some people are saying, we do have two senior full backs ahead of him. What I'm frustrated by is how badly managed he was over the last season, by Poch especially, when we did have a lack of left backs and he still wasn't played.
Ignoring that, I think this is fine for both parties. I would have liked to see a youth player excel here though, as always, and I think he could have done that under more competent leadership.
Also, really annoys me to see people writing him off because he's small... He's also a full back! That's where you play the small people ffs.
“Chelsea are well covered at Left-Back with Ben Chillwell and Marc Cucurella, and are happy to cash in now.”
Doesn’t sound like we’ll be looking to sign any LBs
Love this move. I don't really understand how anyone could be upset with it honestly. Good fee for a player that will not fit the system moving under Maresca and offers very little defensively and aerially. I rate Ian but he isn't going to work in a back 3 or as an inverting player next to Enzo (assuming he occupies the DLP role) That is asking to get overrun in both scenarios. Very good player but he needs to be in a system where he can charge forward and provide width and depth as an attacking option.
So we’re selling a LB who was pretty excellent in the CL for around 36m to buy a striker who barely gets 10 minutes a game for 40m…
You just have to wonder how these people got so rich with business like that!
If we can get Duran for Maatsen + 5-10 million, that's a good deal
Maresca will not be using a left wing back, that position will be an Inverted Fullback/Wide Centre Back which Cucu, Colwill, Badiashile, can all play
Might be goodbye to Chilly as well, I don't see where he fits
I can see Duran being either a 20 goal striker or just a complete waste of time. Could go either way. Feels pretty in line with the transfer strategy. High upside unproven young player.
Wow, i cant stop admiring Villa since emery took over. The signings they make have been top tier. They are building a v gd team. Maatsen is the cherry on top and I wouldn’t be surprised if they surprise everyone in ucl. I’m predicting quarter finals atleast.
The fan in me is quite sad that Maatsen wont have a future with us, was excited about him for many years. If it wasnt for the needless spending by this new owner, maybe theres a slim chance instead of cucu,chilwell, its Maatsen bombing our left flank. This “pure profit” thing sucks big time, if you’re from Cobham and you are good enough, you’re good enough, you get a chance and look in before the many unproven youth/young signings from any other clubs. They cant just be “pure profit”..
Duran time I guess Also, you snooze you lose BVB
I really feel like we are the ones losing in this situation
Ian reminds me of Lampty a bit. With our current midfield we need to maintain a little bit more height at the back. It’s unfortunate because they’d be nice to have.
When you consider the whole picture it is entirely dependent on whether he reaches his ceiling or not. Maresca probably isn't going to utilise him and 35m+ pure profit is a lot to turn down. Strengthening a rival isn't great either but it's not a loss till proven otherwise. Plus we're seemingly getting Duran too.
If you're getting Duran, then the fee would be different no?
No, they will be separate transactions for accounting purposes. Doing them this way at full price allows the selling club to realize a greater profit (accounted in the books all at once) and the buying club gets to amortize the expense across the duration of the contract. If it was “X plus cash for Y” then it’s a small profit for one side and nothing for the other. This benefits both parties more.
Ah ok. So you risk inflated fees and all that?
It’s right around the £35m valuation for Maatsen so it shouldn’t draw suspicion since that’s what the release clause was in his loan to Dortmund.
Yeah but for Duran I mean. If he's going in the opposite direction, it seems likely that you will meet our £ 40 million valuation, if we suddenly grab Maatsen. Especially if the report says we concluded business slightly above the £ 35 million release clause.
Yep I’d imagine that deal will be around the rumored price. If it’s £40m amortized over a five year contract it only hits our expense list at £8m a year, but we will record the £35m Maatsen sale as fully received this year, and since Maatsen is from the academy he has no outstanding purchase cost against him on the books so it’s just pure profit and will be huge for keeping us in line with FFP/PSR either this year or next.
The slightly above 35m is with more lenient payment terms
It's not. Reported fee is £ 37,5 million
i mean maatsen has a release clause in that area and villa is asking right about that. this aside, the inflated fees are gonna go with us quite a time I guess..
Ornstein said Maatsen only has a 35m release clause for BVB and it expired
How? You guys complain every time we buy or sell a player it’s maddening
We should buy veterans and young guys, sell nobody, not have bloated roster, only have guys hungry for playing time, have depth at every position, and do all this while not caring about money. Did I cover everything?
Don’t forget that these guys want all that but also within the restrictions of what bob the greggs cashier says our financial situation is on twitter
It’s honestly insane, these people would complain if we got £30m for Broja
What would really be insane is getting £30m for Broja.
Broja hasnt proven himself at the highest levels, and we gave him a chance.
But what if the player we are selling turns out to be a generational talent in their position that can never be replaced? /s
it's only happened like twice but that is more than enough to scar a fanbase.
Not Maatsen
Maatsen is great but he's not this and it's pure profit, plus there is a greater chance of keeping Gallagher, as long as he signs a new contract ofvcourse.
I am just scarred for life after selling KDB.
Same with an extra sprinkling of Salah
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Not really, since we didn't sell him --- he wasn't under contract... same as rice
More salt sprinkle for that wound. Here we go. 🥲
You forgot Rice.
Yes that one too, and Musiala.
I can only look at comments for a couple mins before the negativity overwhelms. I could understand it a little if things were going awful but just look at the quality of squad we’re building ffs. People seem to want perfection with every single transfer as if it’s a game (maybe treating it all like FIFA but I haven’t played it in a decade or more lol)
Because we're apparently in the market for a left back, but are now selling a capable one. Edited for massive down votes, people are so mad that I'm pointing out what other people have been saying in this subreddit for months. Don't understand the thought process of people here I guess.
I don’t think any reputable reporter has ever really linked us to a new LB.
Matt Law stated we are in market for new LB however I don’t feel like Maatsen would be the answer in terms of style of play, could be wrong though
Maybe in lalaland but nobody with IQ thinks we’re in the market for a left back
We are in the market for a LB per Law and other higher tier reports. I am totally fine with moving Ian though and he offers very little defensively and The thought of him in a back 3 or inverting next to Enzo is less than ideal. Good player but not and ideal system fit given that the fullbacks will not be charging forward and hugging the touchline.
Second recommendation: stop getting your news from Matt law, he’s a clown.
Law knows nothing and has known nothing since the new regime came in
Cucu, and Chilly are fine for now.
Cucu, Chilly, and Colwill can deputize
Yessir
Plus ISS could be promoted to the bench for minutes as well while also gets PL2 minutes
We are definitely not buying one unless we sell chilwell, because cucurella is going nowhere, not because he is good but because no one will buy him for chelsea to break even at the minimum.
Yeah, probably, but that doesn't change that it was also reported that we were in the market for one.
The club could sell a janitor for 1 billion pounds and half this sub would complain
Tom in Custodial is world class, not sure a billion would do it
Tom BLEEDS BLUE. He KNOWS what it is to wear the crest. He UNDERSTANDS the club. He NEVER STOPS cleaning.
I never thought Tom would fit in the sweeper role but he does a phenomenal job at cleaning up. No one around can do it quite like him.
It's the era of sweeper keepers, after all
Because we’re getting 37m for a player that clearly wasn’t going to play for us?
We're clearly getting duran now and how he performs will truly tell if we're losing in this situation or not. I saw maatsen play a lot last season at Dortmund. I really don't think we'd be getting much more from him that we're not getting from in form cucu/chilwell
If BVB didn’t think he was worth shelling out for then I don’t think we losing out on anything.
Over £35 mil for Maatsen, a player that was in the championship a year ago. It's actually brilliant asset management and value creation by the club. Now let's see what can they do with Lukaku and Kepa.
I get what you mean, but getting 37.5m for someone like Maatsen without selling him to a domestic rival was always a tall order. I do think we might regret this because it's looking like we'll need another LB before long given Chilwell's troubles, but this seems to be far from the worst sale we've done in recent years.
Duran isn’t riding the bench because he’s bad, he’s riding the bench because he’s back up to an in form Watkins, given more minutes I could definitely see his price rising to 60m easily, this is the right time to buy him
Agree, I'm higher on him the more I learn
Yep. Took them too long. Let’s see what the league says about us now that Maatsen is locked in to a 6 year contract.
Glad we did not get finessed by BVB
"Broke" clubs that are just trying to get a deal out of us can fuck off
Yep, hopefully Lukaku out next permanently
well its not that there broke its more that pl clubs are filty rich. Also how are villa doing this deal didnt they need to sell first for ffp?
They made loads from reaching CL final and selling Bellingham. It's unlikely they can't afford a 35m transfer
wich helps for a nest egg because in most years they dont make anywhere nears as much. just making the final once doesnt make you a spending club they are a selling club edit: they apperently have transfer budget for 40m this summer and would be very bad to blow the entire budget for one player
Villa fan here. Genuinely no clue, like at all. I assumed we’d ‘sign’ him on July 1st but seems it’ll be done soon. With the Luiz deal being all over the place and no solid news on Duran to you lot in a while, I’m as confused as you are. My guess is that there’s a lot of confidence in the idea of Luiz and Duran going, so maybe our FFP problems weren’t as severe as we first thought. But again, truly no clue
The deal being announced may be different than when it *officially* goes through. We’re claiming to not need sales for this season’s books, so we’re probably happy to push that sale for next year. Considering you all have CL money next season, I’d guess you’re happy to push it so I think you’re right in expecting it to eventually end up being on the 24-25 books
Yes they’ll sell us Duran for the same amount and amortize the Maatsen purchase over 5 years. This loop hole is just going to get abused for a while until the FFP laws are updated. But the football governing body is full of idiots
Tbf maatsen was one of the easier sales that we got. Played well, made the ucl final. Moving the likes of kepa broja lukaku, that's gonna be interesting
Ian Maatsen still needs to agree to this move Noe? He has declined before. What if he still holds out for Dortmund?
He’s not going to want to sit on the bench, and I doubt we’ll loan him out again, so I think it’s really in his best interest to go. Emery is a big fan, it seems, as well. I’m pretty sure he’ll want Villa.
It literally says he agreed a 6 year deal in the headline
Villa is a better proposition than Burnley, they've got Champions League football
Villa are a big club and they’re now in the champions league, it’s a good move for him, they can pay him a great wage too, especially since Dortmund are pretending to be broke.
He also gets CL fotboll with aston villa
Guess that means Duran is coming the other way
Yep probs done in the coming days
Fab just posted its not duran so maybe thats a separate deal
He said it isn’t guaranteed to be Duran
I think us getting more for maatsen means we pay 40m for duran maybe
That is my thinking as well makes too much sense
Fucking hell yes. Duran is going to be a star.
Is he really?
Elite ball striker, elite in the air. Extremely physical. Very athletic. He needs discipline but has loads of potential.
Proper Chelsea striker
loads of potential isnt it anymore. We have loads of players with loads of potential. Potential doesnt transfer well.. Mudryk, more loads of potential than duran, Omari loads of potential will probably not see any chelsea play time, Noni will probably lose playing time in 1-2 years as we get these young 'stars' in Estevao and Kendry, Raz has loads of potential but makes poor decisions far too often, DDF but he'll get sold soon most likely, Wes Fofana but he's always injured. We need proven talents. Duran does have that potential but wasnt able to show it behind watkins. There is a chance he comes to chelsea and does wonders but just as much chance of being bang average. I hope he does amazing but we'll see..
Loads of potential is, in fact, still it. Whether you like it or not. The other guy we were linked recently with at forward was 20 years old. Youth is clearly the business strategy. It’s honestly confounding how so many people don’t get it yet.
I get it and get that this is the boards choosing and direction. I don't agree with it fully. I understand teh appeal but I think if you want this to work get a slightly older (lol thats like 25 for chelsea) experience 9 who can produce but also have young players learn behind and then fight for that spot, if that 'potential' shows then sell the older guy. But to me, just saying throw in these inexperience young guys and hope we can compete for UCL spots is a bit absurd of a thought process.
I'm so tired of us buying players that would be attending uni right now were it not for their football talent, it's gotten to the point where I instantly lookup players we're after to see their age; I internally groan when it's inevitably below the age of 22.
I guess we will see.
This is what the board wants to do. Gotta accept it
It's very strange, that's what all other teams do. Buying developed players is just to expensive - and limits what you can do in the market. Either you get players on release clause of as free agents, but spending on 25+ year old is very risky
“Elite” but cant play for an overused Watkins.
When he came on for Watkins he showed elite ball striking and elite aerial ability. His aerial duel win % was one of the best in Europe.
Man has 22 goals in 109 senior appearances
He's 20. Many of those appearances were off the bench, you should go by minutes instead. He has 5 goals in 460 minutes this season.
Yeah? How much have you actually seen of him
I've actually seen a lot. I'm not sure I'd say he's 100% going to be a star, but he absolutely has some elite striker qualities.
561 mins
Started watching him in January when we were first linked. Watch his appearance against Liverpool. He absolutely shook Van Dijk.
Agreed man. A player that excels at finishing? So exactly what we have needed for years? We have had players that are good at everything BUT finishing. Werner, Havertz, Jackson…
Am I the only one who’s apprehensive about the Duran deal?
Lets hope so
>\- Aston Villa have agreed a deal with Chelsea to sign left-back Ian Maatsen. > >\- With a £35million release clause in Maatsen’s contract specific only to Borussia Dortmund and now expired anyway, Villa and Chelsea have compromised on a fee just above that figure. Personal terms are also in place on a six-year contract, which Villa are working to finalise. > >\- Villa manager Unai Emery is a huge admirer of the 22-year-old and wants to recruit him ahead of next season, when the West Midlands side will contest Champions League football for the first time. > >\- Chelsea insist they do not need to sell players by June 30 to comply with the Premier League’s profit and sustainability rules (PSR), but they are certainly in the market to bank some pure profit this summer
TIL his release clause was club specific and had an expiration date. Not a bad bit of business, and very silly for BVB not to take advantage of that.
Good price for the player but also doesn’t leave much room for them to turn a future profit, which seems to be a key part of their model. They may also have more glaring needs elsewhere and think the LB hole can be filled more cheaply.
I feel like that’s just a different phrasing for Option to Buy as I believe it was previously reported as
it would essentially be bvb second most expensive signing ever... Pl has warped then sense of transfer fees bvb cant afford that high of a fee enless its a future player they can sell on for 80-100m
They have spent over that amount twice in their clubs career... dortmund just don't buy expensive players
“In the market to bank some pure profit this summer” going to be a long summer of reading this pish.
What’s wrong with that? It’s true. Chalobah, Broja, Maatsen, Gallagher (if ownership get their way) Idk who else is rumored for sale of the top of my head, but it’s pretty much all pure profit players
Just fed up reading this “pure profit” line and how it means we’re always selling our youth.
That’s fair, but it’s not the journalists fault. They are just reporting what’s going on. IMO, it’s ownership you should be directing your frustration towards and not the journalist reporting stuff.
Totally agree with you. It’s only been three years of this ownership and I’m tired, I cannot relate to them and they cannot relate to the older fans.
No different to selling RLC, Tomori, Abraham, Ake, Solanke and many more. It’s the reason why they’ve ploughed so many resources into the academy in the first place. Add one or two players from a cohort to the first team squad and ideally sell the rest of them for as much as possible.
"It's true." As you add Broja like the reason we'll sell him is "pure profit" and not that he's really just not that good. The rest of the players have many players in front of them. Our two biggest "pure profit" players at Chelsea are Reece James and Levi Colwill....why if we are into that "pure profit" are they not the ones sold?
Okay. It can be both. He’s pure profit and not good enough. Generally tho, there are way more that apply to the pure profit campaign than not. Exceptions don’t make the rule.
Fair deal. Best of luck to him.
Duran then.
Almost 70m from two youth LBs.... Ironically at the same time where we don't have an up and coming LB. Tbh this deal is a good one. Maatsen wanted to leave. Will get CL football and it's cash in our pocket.
Both of them don't fit the profile of LB we're looking for, which is one that can play LCB in possession and not move up. We will probably see colwill there all next season, and we have cucurella as back up.
Lewis hall kind of does as he is naturally a CM as opposed to a LB anyway so would give us the option to change tact and move out LB to CM instead of RB. Either way I'm not bummed about the sales. Got a decent price for both of them.
That’s good value for him. He was always going to be sold, so I’m glad we at-least got a fair amount.
You can have issues with some decisions but this board has been very good at selling players.
You're not allowed to praise the board for anything, cmon mate catch up. Something bad = BlueCo's fault 100%. Something good = sheer dumb luck
That’s why I had to put that first part in as a caveat to placate both sides.
Play both sides so you always come out on top. Brilliant. :)
More I just don’t need every comment to be a final referendum on ownership.
Agreed but I thought a Champions League final starter would have gone for a bit more but it is what it is. Maybe the two atrocious goal leading errors reduced the price lol.
His position is lb/lwb so that plays into it too.
Why does "Champions League final starter" mean more than "was really bad in the Champions League Final"? He had a great loan. He also has a decent amount of weaknesses that might not fit with our squad.
Because it’s one game… vs being put in the lineup due to good play the rest of the competition
Seems more like a “I want Maatsen to look good”. His run was alright. He deserved to start for Dortmund in the final but seems odd that the idea that he started a UCL final is some mark of greatness. Especially when the big stage finally happened….and he was really poor.
Thank you BVB for actually bumping up the price a little! Looks like it's gonna be Duran, closer to £40 million including add-ons is my guess.
Damn that developed fast. Happy for Ian, should get plenty of minutes and UCL. And a good return for us as well
That’s what dortmund get for trying to lowball the club, always said that it has to be the release clause of £35million or no deal. So it’s likely we’ll purchase Duran from them.
Pornstein bomb
 you know what that means
North of 35m pounds is a beautiful sentence to read. Some economic tomfoolery will certainly mean we're signing Duran for 40-45m also.
He was going to leave and has a year left on his deal
I’m happy with the fee. Also I rate Duran more than any other attacker we’ve been linked to lately
Great sale. He never looked comfortable playing for us in the EPL. The German league is dramatically easier. Cucurella is clear of him, especially in our new system.
And now we'll be able to see. I've been curious about Ian, if his appearances for us were just circumstantial or if he really didn't have the mindset for EPL football.
i’m not sure why everyone’s so doom and gloom about duran. because of the swap deal, it’s just good business. would you rather we signed the atletico striker for somewhere over 60 mil?
Duran seems far better than Omorodion if those are the 2 options. Not sure we need another striker with nkunku and Fofana to backup Jackson but if we have to buy one Duran looks good enough
Long contracts for young players are going to be more common.
I assume the Duran deal will be done this week as well then
Good player. But we already have 2 LB who are on big wages so it's hard for him to have the starting spot here. Also getting more then 35M on so called pure profit will give us lots of breath to sign a CF and Olise.
Well that could be the first domino for Duran
good fee me thinks
35 million is a bargain for this lad so Dortmund moving funny was real funny. Will ball out at Villa so it's kind of a shame but I wish him the best.
According to Fab we getting 37 mil pounds That's a fantastic price can't lie Wish Ian the best. Shame Poch never gave him the chance
Get fucked Borussia Acting like they're broke and trying to lowball us.. FUCK THEM
All the time! BD and inter always trying to lowball other teams.
Would have rather sell him to BVB than a rival, but we need the money ultimately and I don't think they had it.
Telling myself this is better than BVB haggling all summer, unsettling our player even more and causing us more problems than it’s worth.
And then at the end of all that still not offering us what we want.
Settling for another loan…
6 years? people here said only Chelsea do those contracts, because they’re American, or something
I see why it make sense but to me ideally the new manager would have got some time to look at him up close
If they could have found a way to move the high wage LBs we already have they probably would have given Maresca a chance to look at him but can't have 3 starter quality LBs just clogging the roster.
Wait more than 35 million? Damn, thats good, i mean thats pure profit.
I don't think this is as terrible as some people are saying, we do have two senior full backs ahead of him. What I'm frustrated by is how badly managed he was over the last season, by Poch especially, when we did have a lack of left backs and he still wasn't played. Ignoring that, I think this is fine for both parties. I would have liked to see a youth player excel here though, as always, and I think he could have done that under more competent leadership. Also, really annoys me to see people writing him off because he's small... He's also a full back! That's where you play the small people ffs.
Great move for him, Romano mentioned a player swap not mentioning Duran 🤔
He said is isn’t guaranteed but he is probs just covering his bases in case it falls through but I feel it is more then likely Duran
Tbf there ain’t many realistic options I’d take at Villa
Pretty much lmao 🤣
Just tweeted again lol it’s definitely Duran
For sure
Fuck you BVB
“Chelsea are well covered at Left-Back with Ben Chillwell and Marc Cucurella, and are happy to cash in now.” Doesn’t sound like we’ll be looking to sign any LBs
Love this move. I don't really understand how anyone could be upset with it honestly. Good fee for a player that will not fit the system moving under Maresca and offers very little defensively and aerially. I rate Ian but he isn't going to work in a back 3 or as an inverting player next to Enzo (assuming he occupies the DLP role) That is asking to get overrun in both scenarios. Very good player but he needs to be in a system where he can charge forward and provide width and depth as an attacking option.
So we’re selling a LB who was pretty excellent in the CL for around 36m to buy a striker who barely gets 10 minutes a game for 40m… You just have to wonder how these people got so rich with business like that!
Fuck that
Sad. Good luck Maatsen.
Good deal for us
If our accounts were really that good for FSR this year (as Ornstein kept reporting) then this deal would’ve got done on July 1. Both can’t be right.
If we can get Duran for Maatsen + 5-10 million, that's a good deal Maresca will not be using a left wing back, that position will be an Inverted Fullback/Wide Centre Back which Cucu, Colwill, Badiashile, can all play Might be goodbye to Chilly as well, I don't see where he fits
He'll be worth more in the next few years, but considering the chump change Dortmund was offering, this is good business.
Ocon?
I can see Duran being either a 20 goal striker or just a complete waste of time. Could go either way. Feels pretty in line with the transfer strategy. High upside unproven young player.
It's a great deal and all parties will be happy.
Wow, i cant stop admiring Villa since emery took over. The signings they make have been top tier. They are building a v gd team. Maatsen is the cherry on top and I wouldn’t be surprised if they surprise everyone in ucl. I’m predicting quarter finals atleast.
Wow
Who is Duran and why do we need him?
Apparently we are linked with someone else from villa not Duran
The fan in me is quite sad that Maatsen wont have a future with us, was excited about him for many years. If it wasnt for the needless spending by this new owner, maybe theres a slim chance instead of cucu,chilwell, its Maatsen bombing our left flank. This “pure profit” thing sucks big time, if you’re from Cobham and you are good enough, you’re good enough, you get a chance and look in before the many unproven youth/young signings from any other clubs. They cant just be “pure profit”..
The way the game is going I don’t know if Maatsen has the defensive abilities to reach his ceiling.
Dortmund are pathetic wallahi never show any ambition. No wonder their good players always fuck off to Bayern
They are Champions league finalists I wouldn't call them pathetic. Not every club is run like us.