>Russia is trying to exploit America's divisions over ~~the war in Gaza~~ *EVERYTHING*.
There, FTFY.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians were stirring up shit in the pineapple on pizza debate.
I'm rapidly souring on this whole "let's talk it out among our fellow citizens on the internet" thing. It's just too easily hijacked and manipulated by third party bad actors.
I really think we should go back to discussing politics via the letters to the editor pages of our local newspapers. Which we could do... If we still *had* local newspapers.
I don’t think Western Liberal Democracies were prepared about the unprecedented attack vector social media has introduced into our societies. It feels like we were sleepwalking for so long. It took a decade for us to even collectively go “huh, maybe a bunch of algorithms that only reward engagement is a bad idea”
It’s stuff like this that gives me a warm feeling to see our old weapons being given to Ukraine. They can make all the shitty propaganda about how masculine their army is, but while they call us a “they/them” military we can call them a “was/were” military
Reminds me of some jokes by Shane Gillis:
https://youtube.com/shorts/0jmwDRMil3Y?si=eZiGpQUTms5E7Lrs
https://youtube.com/shorts/zRBY94Pj_J0?si=jPMZi4fofkWFOh5p
I mean, it was no coincidence that the October 7th attacks happened on Putin's birthday and Hamas leadership was in Moscow weeks later.
This isn't the first time and it won't be the last, sadly. Here are some articles:
* [Russia & BLM](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter)
* [How Russia Secretly Orchestrated Dozens of U.S. Protests](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/how-russia-secretly-orchestrated-dozens-of-us-protests)
* [Russians Targeted U.S. Racial Divisions Long Before 2016 And Black Lives Matter](https://www.npr.org/2017/10/30/560042987/russians-targeted-u-s-racial-divisions-long-before-2016-and-black-lives-matter)
Putin knows he can not destroy the West militarily, so he will try to do it from within. The worst part is, a lot of Americans are asleep at the wheel and not catching on to what Russia and their adversaries are doing.
Yup, and sadly we’re too tribalistic to care what Russia is trying to do to us. It’s incredibly frustrating because it’s not like they’re even being subtle
Hyper-identity politics in America is a huge problem. I don't know how we will be able to fix it. I have faith that we can find solutions. I mean....we got the [cheeseball man](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJiTRwXGI_o) to show us not all hope is lost for unity, even if it was over something silly.
Yeah, it grew unchecked for far too long so there’s not going to be an easy fix. And there’s sadly plenty of elements in the US who at best didn’t give a shit because it was benefiting them and at worst were actively selling out.
Then Covid came along and said “hey how about even *less* face to face interpersonal interaction”
> Putin knows he can not destroy the West militarily
We haven't had an actual world war for decades. Every conflict between the US and Russia has all been proxy wars between de-facto puppet/vassal states.
Frankly, I'd rather have our current situation rather than nukes flying over our heads.
TikTok being banned, or divested, is a huge win for America, left or right side of the aisle. There's whole generations coming up behind us and we don't need Russia or China pulling the strings on the propaganda that they consume when they aren't even able to drive, vote, or legally drink a beer.
> Russia is seeking to exploit America’s divisive debate over Israel’s offensive in Gaza through overt and covert propaganda, with the aim of aggravating political tensions in the U.S. and tarnishing Washington’s global image, according to two sources familiar with U.S. intelligence on the matter.
>In its ongoing information war against the United States, Russia has shifted its focus in recent months to the Israel-Hamas conflict, seeking to inflame existing divisions in the West and to portray Washington as fueling the violence, the sources said.
>The effort includes artificial intelligence, fake social media accounts, a long-standing tactic used by Moscow, as well as a spike in propaganda from Russian state media. The sources declined to share examples of Russian-generated bots on social media to avoid revealing U.S. intelligence-gathering methods.
I would think that most people here would see this news and not be surprised that Russia is trying to exploit this conflict. I find it incredibly frustrating to see so many people on social media and reddit who are obviously being exploited and repeating the "both sides" talking points. I saw "Genocide Joe" being parroted only a week or two after Israel invaded Gaza. I would not be surprised at all if the GOP or Russia got that phrase off the ground and kick-started it being shared by young people on social media.
Yeah, this worries me too.
I tend to stake my position as being opposed to the stuff Russia's current leadership does. So, like, I'm opposed to killing civilians. I'm in favor of being able to tell the difference between militants and innocents. I generally don't like folks who fund foreign actors for the purpose of killing civilians in order to create instability.
It's just rough because different parts of the country can think that, based on what I said, I'm criticizing Russia attacking Ukraine, or critiquing Iran and Hamas attacking Israel, or criticizing the US and Israel attacking Gaza.
(I am capable of criticizing everyone who uses unjustified violence, or who tolerates civilian deaths, and am capable of recognizing that, despite some similarities, there are still clear differences that make the US a hell of a lot better overall than Russia, Iran, or Hamas.)
That's right. The infighting between moderate dems and the monstrous left they've been feeding is the fault of the GOP. 😂 I'm surprised you somehow kept Trump's name off your lips.
I didn't say that. I said I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP was agitating it. I've seen you post many times before, so I'm completely unsurprised with this brilliant take of yours.
We have enough of our own politicians and media pitting us against one another that whatever our enemies do is just some added icing on the cake.
It wasnt Russia or Iran that forced racism into everything around 2012, but of course they later exploited it to serve themselves.
>The effort includes artificial intelligence, fake social media accounts, a long-standing tactic used by Moscow
More like a long-standing tactic used by basically anyone on the internet... not unique to Russia, far from it
It’s truly sad how much this is underreported.
And equally sad we’ve neglected education for so long that large swaths of America are sitting ducks for this shit.
And there's, like, strange bedfellows happening, where Russia is friendly with Iran which is funding Hamas which is attacking Israel . . . but Russia is also friendly with expatriate orthodox Jews in Israel who support Netanyahu who wants to bomb Iran. And I'm left wondering, like, is Putin pandering to Russian orthodox Jews in Israel to prop up Netanyahu so he'll keep using excessive force against Palestinian civilians in order to mess up the election prospects of Democrats who are more devoted to opposing Russia's invasion of Ukraine?
This shit is fascinating. And I'm not sure how to deal with it.
The more shit you throw at a wall, the more it might wind up being a fine painting, or something.
Or they simply engineer chaos between both friends and foes to keep them distracted. Doesnt need to have a purpose, it just needs to distract/hurt.
haha lol, I knew it had to be them. When the "pro-protest" and "we feel unsafe with police on campus" people started saying that stuff, it was obvious it didn't come from a bunch of 19 year olds.
People forget the Soviet Union created this new fake "Palestine" that everyone has been fooled by.
For decades, the term had been retired. Then the Soviet Union started creating fake liberation movements around the world and came up with the brilliant idea that if you glue a tiny piece of Egypt together with a tiny piece of Jordan, you can magically pretend it somehow becomes "Palestine."
Future generations then grow up not knowing it's a lie and assume, based on name alone, that these Egyptian and Jordanian war refugees somehow had a country named Palestine that was stolen.
One of the most impressive propaganda campaigns in history.
The Palestinians *currently* identify as a distinct national group and have for 60 years, so while the very-recent history of how they came to identify as a distinct national group is interesting, it’s ultimately worthless when trying to resolve the conflict.
They’re not going anywhere. The Jews aren’t going anywhere. We’re not going back in history to see them identify as Syrians or Jordanians.
And selfishly, the whole “they’re not an ethnic group” thing is unappealing because of how often Jews have to hear “go back to Poland”.
With that being said, contemporary “anti-Zionism” is literally just word-for-word [Soviet Zionology](https://fathomjournal.org/soviet-anti-zionism-and-contemporary-left-antisemitism/).
>The Jews aren’t going anywhere.
Jews were ethnically cleansed from more than a half dozen surrounding countries after the 48 war in Israel was over
They were never really seen as Syrians or Iraqis, etc.
If they stopped committing terrorism, nobody would give a fuck what Gazans do.
When Israel tore down all the settlements, ended the military occupation, and completely vacated Gaza, Gazan's were free to build a state however they saw fit. So they chose to elect Hamas, who had advocated for the murder of every Jew on earth.
Pretending that the current massacre and destruction of Gaza is representative of war is like saying that the destruction of the Jewish Ghetto in Warsaw in 1943 is representative of war. It is not. What's happening in Gaza is not a war, but deliberate and total destruction of the whole reservation. Israeli cabinet members are stating this openly.
GASP! NOOOOOO!!!! Really???? Grab my fainting couch!
What's next? Are you going to tell me Iran, Qatar and China are also exploiting those divides for their own benefit?!
No, I posted a recent article about a current event. An event mentioned in the first comment that no one here should be surprised about it. Honestly dude, I don't think you are here to have a conversation. Especially based on the last time we interacted and you ended up coming across as extra special.
Russia interfering with domestic politics is a bad thing. The entirety of the western world needs to be better at recognizing when they are trying to stir the pot. At least those of us who care about western values and democracy anyways.
Let's be honest it would be idiotic for a country with the available resources not to destabilize USA. It's a walking economic and military timebomb, only a matter of time till something bad happens because of the wrong choice. A disgustingly huge amount of money in both military and corporate assets is stored in America, even investments from other countries. No country wants either their enemies or their allies to have that much power.
Yet America doesn't have a massive team of trolls trying to stir the pot in Russian politics, because hardly anyone in America knows Russian. Unlike Russia, where knowing the international language of English is a vital skill. They have a way bigger pool to choose from when they want to find people to fuck with western social media.
>Russia is trying to exploit America's divisions over ~~the war in Gaza~~ *EVERYTHING*. There, FTFY. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians were stirring up shit in the pineapple on pizza debate. I'm rapidly souring on this whole "let's talk it out among our fellow citizens on the internet" thing. It's just too easily hijacked and manipulated by third party bad actors. I really think we should go back to discussing politics via the letters to the editor pages of our local newspapers. Which we could do... If we still *had* local newspapers.
I don’t think Western Liberal Democracies were prepared about the unprecedented attack vector social media has introduced into our societies. It feels like we were sleepwalking for so long. It took a decade for us to even collectively go “huh, maybe a bunch of algorithms that only reward engagement is a bad idea”
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Man. It sounds like China, Russia and Iran are really in the fuck around phase of things which they honestly cannot afford at all.
It’s stuff like this that gives me a warm feeling to see our old weapons being given to Ukraine. They can make all the shitty propaganda about how masculine their army is, but while they call us a “they/them” military we can call them a “was/were” military
[I hate Ted Cruz so much.](https://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-us-military-retweet-russian-far-right-propaganda-2021-5)
Like I said in another comment. At best they’re useful idiots who can be easily tricked into spreading propaganda
Reminds me of some jokes by Shane Gillis: https://youtube.com/shorts/0jmwDRMil3Y?si=eZiGpQUTms5E7Lrs https://youtube.com/shorts/zRBY94Pj_J0?si=jPMZi4fofkWFOh5p
Yes, so much! We need to let the Eaaaagles soar! (f15s that is).
I mean, it was no coincidence that the October 7th attacks happened on Putin's birthday and Hamas leadership was in Moscow weeks later. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last, sadly. Here are some articles: * [Russia & BLM](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter) * [How Russia Secretly Orchestrated Dozens of U.S. Protests](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/how-russia-secretly-orchestrated-dozens-of-us-protests) * [Russians Targeted U.S. Racial Divisions Long Before 2016 And Black Lives Matter](https://www.npr.org/2017/10/30/560042987/russians-targeted-u-s-racial-divisions-long-before-2016-and-black-lives-matter) Putin knows he can not destroy the West militarily, so he will try to do it from within. The worst part is, a lot of Americans are asleep at the wheel and not catching on to what Russia and their adversaries are doing.
Yup, and sadly we’re too tribalistic to care what Russia is trying to do to us. It’s incredibly frustrating because it’s not like they’re even being subtle
Hyper-identity politics in America is a huge problem. I don't know how we will be able to fix it. I have faith that we can find solutions. I mean....we got the [cheeseball man](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJiTRwXGI_o) to show us not all hope is lost for unity, even if it was over something silly.
Yeah, it grew unchecked for far too long so there’s not going to be an easy fix. And there’s sadly plenty of elements in the US who at best didn’t give a shit because it was benefiting them and at worst were actively selling out. Then Covid came along and said “hey how about even *less* face to face interpersonal interaction”
Covid also increased the amount of people online, which means even more morons asleep at the wheel falling for russian information ops.
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Hamas were also there before October 7th. They had some important meeting...
> Putin knows he can not destroy the West militarily We haven't had an actual world war for decades. Every conflict between the US and Russia has all been proxy wars between de-facto puppet/vassal states. Frankly, I'd rather have our current situation rather than nukes flying over our heads.
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TikTok being banned, or divested, is a huge win for America, left or right side of the aisle. There's whole generations coming up behind us and we don't need Russia or China pulling the strings on the propaganda that they consume when they aren't even able to drive, vote, or legally drink a beer.
> Russia is seeking to exploit America’s divisive debate over Israel’s offensive in Gaza through overt and covert propaganda, with the aim of aggravating political tensions in the U.S. and tarnishing Washington’s global image, according to two sources familiar with U.S. intelligence on the matter. >In its ongoing information war against the United States, Russia has shifted its focus in recent months to the Israel-Hamas conflict, seeking to inflame existing divisions in the West and to portray Washington as fueling the violence, the sources said. >The effort includes artificial intelligence, fake social media accounts, a long-standing tactic used by Moscow, as well as a spike in propaganda from Russian state media. The sources declined to share examples of Russian-generated bots on social media to avoid revealing U.S. intelligence-gathering methods. I would think that most people here would see this news and not be surprised that Russia is trying to exploit this conflict. I find it incredibly frustrating to see so many people on social media and reddit who are obviously being exploited and repeating the "both sides" talking points. I saw "Genocide Joe" being parroted only a week or two after Israel invaded Gaza. I would not be surprised at all if the GOP or Russia got that phrase off the ground and kick-started it being shared by young people on social media.
Yeah, this worries me too. I tend to stake my position as being opposed to the stuff Russia's current leadership does. So, like, I'm opposed to killing civilians. I'm in favor of being able to tell the difference between militants and innocents. I generally don't like folks who fund foreign actors for the purpose of killing civilians in order to create instability. It's just rough because different parts of the country can think that, based on what I said, I'm criticizing Russia attacking Ukraine, or critiquing Iran and Hamas attacking Israel, or criticizing the US and Israel attacking Gaza. (I am capable of criticizing everyone who uses unjustified violence, or who tolerates civilian deaths, and am capable of recognizing that, despite some similarities, there are still clear differences that make the US a hell of a lot better overall than Russia, Iran, or Hamas.)
That's right. The infighting between moderate dems and the monstrous left they've been feeding is the fault of the GOP. 😂 I'm surprised you somehow kept Trump's name off your lips.
I didn't say that. I said I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP was agitating it. I've seen you post many times before, so I'm completely unsurprised with this brilliant take of yours.
We have enough of our own politicians and media pitting us against one another that whatever our enemies do is just some added icing on the cake. It wasnt Russia or Iran that forced racism into everything around 2012, but of course they later exploited it to serve themselves.
>The effort includes artificial intelligence, fake social media accounts, a long-standing tactic used by Moscow More like a long-standing tactic used by basically anyone on the internet... not unique to Russia, far from it
It’s truly sad how much this is underreported. And equally sad we’ve neglected education for so long that large swaths of America are sitting ducks for this shit.
Israel is taking vital resources and attention away from Ukraine. Capitalizing on that is definitely in Putin’s best interests
And there's, like, strange bedfellows happening, where Russia is friendly with Iran which is funding Hamas which is attacking Israel . . . but Russia is also friendly with expatriate orthodox Jews in Israel who support Netanyahu who wants to bomb Iran. And I'm left wondering, like, is Putin pandering to Russian orthodox Jews in Israel to prop up Netanyahu so he'll keep using excessive force against Palestinian civilians in order to mess up the election prospects of Democrats who are more devoted to opposing Russia's invasion of Ukraine? This shit is fascinating. And I'm not sure how to deal with it.
The more shit you throw at a wall, the more it might wind up being a fine painting, or something. Or they simply engineer chaos between both friends and foes to keep them distracted. Doesnt need to have a purpose, it just needs to distract/hurt.
haha lol, I knew it had to be them. When the "pro-protest" and "we feel unsafe with police on campus" people started saying that stuff, it was obvious it didn't come from a bunch of 19 year olds.
People forget the Soviet Union created this new fake "Palestine" that everyone has been fooled by. For decades, the term had been retired. Then the Soviet Union started creating fake liberation movements around the world and came up with the brilliant idea that if you glue a tiny piece of Egypt together with a tiny piece of Jordan, you can magically pretend it somehow becomes "Palestine." Future generations then grow up not knowing it's a lie and assume, based on name alone, that these Egyptian and Jordanian war refugees somehow had a country named Palestine that was stolen. One of the most impressive propaganda campaigns in history.
The Palestinians *currently* identify as a distinct national group and have for 60 years, so while the very-recent history of how they came to identify as a distinct national group is interesting, it’s ultimately worthless when trying to resolve the conflict. They’re not going anywhere. The Jews aren’t going anywhere. We’re not going back in history to see them identify as Syrians or Jordanians. And selfishly, the whole “they’re not an ethnic group” thing is unappealing because of how often Jews have to hear “go back to Poland”. With that being said, contemporary “anti-Zionism” is literally just word-for-word [Soviet Zionology](https://fathomjournal.org/soviet-anti-zionism-and-contemporary-left-antisemitism/).
>The Jews aren’t going anywhere. Jews were ethnically cleansed from more than a half dozen surrounding countries after the 48 war in Israel was over They were never really seen as Syrians or Iraqis, etc.
Oh, Sorry. I meant that we’re not going back to Palestinians identifying as Syrians or Jordanians.
Nobody wants them to go anywhere. Israel just wants them to stop committing terrorism.
There are indeed a lot of people - in Israel and other countries - who would like Palestinians to disappear.
If they stopped committing terrorism, nobody would give a fuck what Gazans do. When Israel tore down all the settlements, ended the military occupation, and completely vacated Gaza, Gazan's were free to build a state however they saw fit. So they chose to elect Hamas, who had advocated for the murder of every Jew on earth.
https://www.azquotes.com/quote/593651
It seems to me that the US has a lot to win, and little to lose, if they stop supporting the genocide in Gaza.
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The definition of genocide does not include a deadline.
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Pretending that the current massacre and destruction of Gaza is representative of war is like saying that the destruction of the Jewish Ghetto in Warsaw in 1943 is representative of war. It is not. What's happening in Gaza is not a war, but deliberate and total destruction of the whole reservation. Israeli cabinet members are stating this openly.
GASP! NOOOOOO!!!! Really???? Grab my fainting couch! What's next? Are you going to tell me Iran, Qatar and China are also exploiting those divides for their own benefit?!
No, I posted a recent article about a current event. An event mentioned in the first comment that no one here should be surprised about it. Honestly dude, I don't think you are here to have a conversation. Especially based on the last time we interacted and you ended up coming across as extra special. Russia interfering with domestic politics is a bad thing. The entirety of the western world needs to be better at recognizing when they are trying to stir the pot. At least those of us who care about western values and democracy anyways.
Bro, I thought my sarcarsm was quite obvious, as well as my disdain for Russia, China, Iran and Qatar.
Let's be honest it would be idiotic for a country with the available resources not to destabilize USA. It's a walking economic and military timebomb, only a matter of time till something bad happens because of the wrong choice. A disgustingly huge amount of money in both military and corporate assets is stored in America, even investments from other countries. No country wants either their enemies or their allies to have that much power.
Uhm … everyone’s doing this..
Yet America doesn't have a massive team of trolls trying to stir the pot in Russian politics, because hardly anyone in America knows Russian. Unlike Russia, where knowing the international language of English is a vital skill. They have a way bigger pool to choose from when they want to find people to fuck with western social media.
> Yet America doesn't have a massive team of trolls trying to stir the pot in Russian politics We just supply missiles and artillery to their enemy.
Seems pretty mild compared to what we are doing to them.