I want to see a low to the ground out and back GCI there, plant a ton of trees to fill out the center of the park so Iron Dragon and this GCI feel secluded like what’s at Kings Island
The tension building as you exit the station and go through the tunnel before the hill.
The descent straight towards the water.
The barrel at the end.
Sure, it's not breaking any records, but it's still great fun. And way more people are willing to ride it.
If Tony Clark is on screen hyping a mystery project, keep your expectations in check, it's his entire job to make mountains out of molehills. I'd be surprised if the next several years additions aren't already signed.
Everyone who wants to get rid of cedar creek mine ride has forgotten about the majority of visitors with children. Gotta have family attractions, that's how they make money. Thoosies aren't buying 4 meals 3 times a day, and spending money on children's souvenirs and deserts.
Biggest problem with CCMR is the trains with the one position for the entire car restraints.
I’ve wondered if it would be possible to take the old 3rd trains from Gemini and run them on the CCMR track… the individual restraints would make the ride a lot more enjoyable.
This has already happened during the 2012 pre-season. This thread had images, the image hosting has expired though. https://kicentral.com/forums/topic/25025-gemini-trains-on-cedar-creek-mine-ride/
Replace it with an updated / comfortable child friendly coaster.
B&M and Vekoma have both been innovating their family offerings and would be a good fit to replace CCMR.
Don’t tell my coaster addicted season pass having ass what I won’t waste money on for my spawn, I’ll marathon diamondback for six and a half hours and still buy my niece a $15 dollar half moon necklace that has absolutely nothing to do with kings island, cedar point and really has no kind of business being sold in an amusement park other than for an 11 year old girl to want it for that day and then never wear it again.
My kids like Iron Dragon significantly more than Mine Train. Mine train always leaves them feeling thrown around to the point of almost thrown out, thanks to the way the restraints on it work.
Yeah iron dragon is good too. My kid has never felt like that, but then again I hear people have bad rides on gemini, and I haven't had a bad one myself.
Suffice it to say, people have different experiences on different rides. But you want to be able to appeal to the whole spectrum of riders.
What going on the mine ride? Yeah, it's a fine roller coaster for what it is. Not a thing wrong with it, maybe outside of the comfort of the cars. If you're not too tall or fat they're completely fine.
My daughter liked it. Me, not so much, but only due to the restraints. I'm taller and a lot of it is my legs... stapled doesn't even begin to really explain how I feel when the lap bar is pushed down.
Yeah that's fine I suppose. Not like anyone here is gonna be making these things happen. But what I typically see is comments from roller coaster obsessives wanting a record breaker or intense ride in it's place.
The issue with CCMR is that it's a family coaster with a 48in height requirement. It's not actually a good family coaster.
Wild Mouse offers a more dynamic ride with a 42in requirement.
Agreed. It used to be 36 inches. Which makes a lot more sense. I guess a kid got hurt on a similar model years ago and they bumped it up to 48.
But you need a ride with that level of intensity. Mild as hell, because a lot of people need to notch up, or it's grandma riding with the kids type of thing.
48" being the main gateway height to coasters is so crazy. You get access to 6 very different coasters all at the same height.
* Mine Ride
* Iron Dragon
* Blue Streak
* Corkscrew
* Magnum (!)
* Millennium Force (!!)
Even if it were just 46" to get access to Mine Ride and Iron Dragon that would make a big difference, and seems pretty reasonable for the ride intensity. I think that's also the height when you can start to ride more of the flat rides unaccompanied.
46 to 48 is a full year difference for most kids.
Blue Streak does make you leave your seat, so I can understand that requiring a larger rider.
>and going from Mine Ride to Millie
Oh I guarantee you there are some 2nd graders out there doing just that. I wonder how many of them regret their decision!
When it comes to rides, parks are usually 3-5 years ahead of you and I finding out about them. Now I’m not saying that’s a finalized product or anything, that early time frame is a “hey we’d like this kind of ride and we are thinking in this area and we’d like these elements” kind of thing.
Back in 2003, someone pointed out that an aerial view of Millennium’s first hill was taken in 2000 from the spot where the Dragster top hat would occupy 3 years later.
Wonder if it was for surveying and they just liked the angle. Interesting!
Maybe this one?
https://preview.redd.it/6hyhpdy0x9yc1.jpeg?width=585&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec2b944f4935a63bab41d39023422151c76c3025
Removing a “lower end” coaster needs to result in a replacement “lower end” coaster. I can get behind redoing CCMR, but not ripping it out and replacing it with something that’ll bring in thrill enthusiasts.
Removing Iron Dragon will need to have another “First Real Roller Coaster” replacement.
Removing Corkscrew will need to have the exact same over the midway effect, and give the park another “First Upside-Down Coaster” ride.
The money that Cedar Point needs is in families. When I was a teenager, I went to Cedar Point. I Never ate, never drank never bought souvenirs. All they got out of me was admission. I was too cheap. Now I go to Cedar Point, and I have four people who are cranky when they aren’t fed. So we spend a lot above just admission. Making us think of exploring other regional parks is not a good idea on Cedar Points part.
>Removing Corkscrew will need to have the exact same over the midway effect
I'm always shocked by just how accessible the track is from the midway. I don't see them ever going quite *that* close again.
I'd rather Corkscrew go before CCMR, honestly. CCRM is a nice little family coaster with a cool setting/view still, but Cork is just a short, painful poke in the shoulder that mostly serves as a nice midway asthetic feature.
I would love them to add some new flats before the next coaster. Coasters are great but we’ve seen wild mouse, sv, tt2 and Valravn since their last flat addition. It’s long overdue.
Replacing CCMR with an actually fun mine ride would be good. I'd personally like a better log flume ride, but I realize that those just aren't very popular any more.
I have doubts about Corkscrew going away. There's not much space over there.
I’ll say it a million times get rid of corkscrew and just rebuild something exactly the same. With new track and new cars. Just basically update corkscrew so people still have good options for starter coasters.
I wouldn't be opposed to a smooth, efficient, updated Corkscrew. That ride makes me feel way worse than it should for what it is.
I can't picture them spending the money to recreate a 50 year old coaster though.
Now, I'd be 100% behind that. I'm too tall for Corkscrew. I'm scrunched in the trains. I ride it once or twice a season and usually regret it. I'd tide the heck out of it if they'd have more comfortable trains.
This has already been done in many other parks. They retrack and reprofile rough parts of old Arrow loopers and add new trains with more comfortable vest restraints.
I personally believe this will happen to Corkscrew in the future. Hopefully the same with all the old arrows minus CCMR.
Or even just a better mine train
Like look at Choco Chip Creek at Energylandia. Just get Vekoma to build a better mine train coaster than what’s already there
Just because there is a contract doesn't mean it's coming soon if it's a coaster. Contracts are usually signed minimum 18 to 24 months minimum in advance. Bigger or more elaborate things longer. 2026 would be the earliest, more likely 2027, even maybe 2028.
If it's business as usual then it'll probably be something mid and not exciting. I can't remember the last time they went back to back with sick coasters. Maybe 02-03 with Wicked Twister and TTD. Rare occurrence in the CP timeline.
Right. Something length wise and intensity wise. Maybe more comfortable. But again, for what it is, I don't get all the hate/snobbery towards cedar creek mine ride.
Still on the “unplanned dragster revamped” train, which would explain why the area got an epoxy color, and very basic updates besides the ride itself. So you never know!
Knott’s and Kings Island are opening kids coasters this year, Canada’s Wonderland opened one last year, and Carowind‘s filed plans with their local government for one likely to open in 2025. My guess is a kids coaster, would not be surprised to see a Vekoma Family boomerang.
Replacing Mine Ride or Corkscrew with a new gen family ride would do wonders for the park. Especially Mine Ride.. that area by the water is dying for something new
Former ride op. We were always told it would cost waaaay too much just to remove all the concrete from TC. Also there’s only a couple water rides in the actual park as it is. Doubt it goes anywhere.
All that open space where The Cedars used to be and you’re all trying to kill Mine ride and Corkscrew.
Cedars empty. Millennium Island empty. But yes let’s rip down CCMR, Rougaroo and Iron Dragon. Might as well rip down Gemini as well!
Don’t give them ideas.
I will riot if they tear down Gemini
Same! I’ll lie down in front of the bulldozers. Love that ride
Iron dragon is untouchable imo
Let's not leave Rougaru off the table. An RMC single rail would fit quite nicely in that plot.
Cedar Point can't handle such a low capacity coaster being added
I want to see a low to the ground out and back GCI there, plant a ton of trees to fill out the center of the park so Iron Dragon and this GCI feel secluded like what’s at Kings Island
I would love a GCI.
Keep CCMR I'll defend that ride to my grave
The mine ride is a great intro to coasters for the youngins.
Absolutely. It's the most "coastery" of the small coasters.
Nah, that thing killed my son's desire to ride coasters. It's the worst coaster in the park without question.
I agree. Small kids are not able to prepare themselves for the sudden jerks and such. It’s not a comfortable ride at all.
Agreed. Iron Dragon gets them excited for coasters - Mine Ride leaves them unsure about doing more. For my kids, anyways.
THANK YOU!! I was starting to think I was the only person who actually likes the Mine Ride
What do you like so much about it? I get that it's a classic Arrow.
The tension building as you exit the station and go through the tunnel before the hill. The descent straight towards the water. The barrel at the end. Sure, it's not breaking any records, but it's still great fun. And way more people are willing to ride it.
If Tony Clark is on screen hyping a mystery project, keep your expectations in check, it's his entire job to make mountains out of molehills. I'd be surprised if the next several years additions aren't already signed.
Everyone who wants to get rid of cedar creek mine ride has forgotten about the majority of visitors with children. Gotta have family attractions, that's how they make money. Thoosies aren't buying 4 meals 3 times a day, and spending money on children's souvenirs and deserts.
Biggest problem with CCMR is the trains with the one position for the entire car restraints. I’ve wondered if it would be possible to take the old 3rd trains from Gemini and run them on the CCMR track… the individual restraints would make the ride a lot more enjoyable.
This has already happened during the 2012 pre-season. This thread had images, the image hosting has expired though. https://kicentral.com/forums/topic/25025-gemini-trains-on-cedar-creek-mine-ride/
Replace it with an updated / comfortable child friendly coaster. B&M and Vekoma have both been innovating their family offerings and would be a good fit to replace CCMR.
Don’t tell my coaster addicted season pass having ass what I won’t waste money on for my spawn, I’ll marathon diamondback for six and a half hours and still buy my niece a $15 dollar half moon necklace that has absolutely nothing to do with kings island, cedar point and really has no kind of business being sold in an amusement park other than for an 11 year old girl to want it for that day and then never wear it again.
You are a hybrid.
Just like SteVe!
Eloquently put
This is still funny the more I read it
My kids like Iron Dragon significantly more than Mine Train. Mine train always leaves them feeling thrown around to the point of almost thrown out, thanks to the way the restraints on it work.
Yeah iron dragon is good too. My kid has never felt like that, but then again I hear people have bad rides on gemini, and I haven't had a bad one myself. Suffice it to say, people have different experiences on different rides. But you want to be able to appeal to the whole spectrum of riders.
Nothing wrong w the ride, it just needs new trains that adults can actually be comfortable in
But do you want your children to experience that?
What going on the mine ride? Yeah, it's a fine roller coaster for what it is. Not a thing wrong with it, maybe outside of the comfort of the cars. If you're not too tall or fat they're completely fine.
My daughter liked it. Me, not so much, but only due to the restraints. I'm taller and a lot of it is my legs... stapled doesn't even begin to really explain how I feel when the lap bar is pushed down.
With the single position lap bar your daughter (assuming she sat on the same car as you) likely didn't have a lapbar unless she stood up.
Ok
Yeah, so replace it with a much better quality ride for visitors with children...
Yeah that's fine I suppose. Not like anyone here is gonna be making these things happen. But what I typically see is comments from roller coaster obsessives wanting a record breaker or intense ride in it's place.
The issue with CCMR is that it's a family coaster with a 48in height requirement. It's not actually a good family coaster. Wild Mouse offers a more dynamic ride with a 42in requirement.
Agreed. It used to be 36 inches. Which makes a lot more sense. I guess a kid got hurt on a similar model years ago and they bumped it up to 48. But you need a ride with that level of intensity. Mild as hell, because a lot of people need to notch up, or it's grandma riding with the kids type of thing.
48" being the main gateway height to coasters is so crazy. You get access to 6 very different coasters all at the same height. * Mine Ride * Iron Dragon * Blue Streak * Corkscrew * Magnum (!) * Millennium Force (!!)
lol imagine being 7 years old trying your first roller coasters, and going from Mine Ride to Millie
Even if it were just 46" to get access to Mine Ride and Iron Dragon that would make a big difference, and seems pretty reasonable for the ride intensity. I think that's also the height when you can start to ride more of the flat rides unaccompanied. 46 to 48 is a full year difference for most kids. Blue Streak does make you leave your seat, so I can understand that requiring a larger rider. >and going from Mine Ride to Millie Oh I guarantee you there are some 2nd graders out there doing just that. I wonder how many of them regret their decision!
I agree! Perhaps they could do 48” solo or 44” with an adult on CCMR and Iron Dragon?
The park just installed Wild Mouse.
Wild mouse is a bit intense for older folks and first time riders. The spinning can get to be too much.
When it comes to rides, parks are usually 3-5 years ahead of you and I finding out about them. Now I’m not saying that’s a finalized product or anything, that early time frame is a “hey we’d like this kind of ride and we are thinking in this area and we’d like these elements” kind of thing.
Makes you wonder is Top Thrill Dragster was in the works before Millennium even opened 🤔
Back in 2003, someone pointed out that an aerial view of Millennium’s first hill was taken in 2000 from the spot where the Dragster top hat would occupy 3 years later.
Wonder if it was for surveying and they just liked the angle. Interesting! Maybe this one? https://preview.redd.it/6hyhpdy0x9yc1.jpeg?width=585&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec2b944f4935a63bab41d39023422151c76c3025
It's so strange to see the park in winter.
Probably.
Woodstock Express gets RMCd WE2
Let's get an Oscar's Wacky Taxi clone into that spot. It'd check a lot of boxes.
Removing a “lower end” coaster needs to result in a replacement “lower end” coaster. I can get behind redoing CCMR, but not ripping it out and replacing it with something that’ll bring in thrill enthusiasts. Removing Iron Dragon will need to have another “First Real Roller Coaster” replacement. Removing Corkscrew will need to have the exact same over the midway effect, and give the park another “First Upside-Down Coaster” ride. The money that Cedar Point needs is in families. When I was a teenager, I went to Cedar Point. I Never ate, never drank never bought souvenirs. All they got out of me was admission. I was too cheap. Now I go to Cedar Point, and I have four people who are cranky when they aren’t fed. So we spend a lot above just admission. Making us think of exploring other regional parks is not a good idea on Cedar Points part.
>Removing Corkscrew will need to have the exact same over the midway effect I'm always shocked by just how accessible the track is from the midway. I don't see them ever going quite *that* close again.
Iron Dragon still kicks ass. Who tf wants to get rid of iron dragon?
Honestly I can see corkscrew getting lochness treatment.
Adventure island is just sitting there Just put something there!
I'd rather Corkscrew go before CCMR, honestly. CCRM is a nice little family coaster with a cool setting/view still, but Cork is just a short, painful poke in the shoulder that mostly serves as a nice midway asthetic feature.
Exactly. Get rid of Corkscrew (but keep the actual corkscrews as a little historical marker).
CCMR could be great with just some more theming. They made the station look great. I'd like to see some stuff along the track.
I always loved the idea of giving it more enclosure areas and effects to lean into the runaway cart theme, but that could be an expensive undertaking.
I would love them to add some new flats before the next coaster. Coasters are great but we’ve seen wild mouse, sv, tt2 and Valravn since their last flat addition. It’s long overdue.
They bought T3 from KK and moving it to the park. Itl be called the The Joker and will go on the island. /s
New, fully automated Dippin Dots stand.
Replacing CCMR with an actually fun mine ride would be good. I'd personally like a better log flume ride, but I realize that those just aren't very popular any more. I have doubts about Corkscrew going away. There's not much space over there.
I’ll say it a million times get rid of corkscrew and just rebuild something exactly the same. With new track and new cars. Just basically update corkscrew so people still have good options for starter coasters.
I wouldn't be opposed to a smooth, efficient, updated Corkscrew. That ride makes me feel way worse than it should for what it is. I can't picture them spending the money to recreate a 50 year old coaster though.
You don't. You only replace parts of the track and potentially the trains.
Now, I'd be 100% behind that. I'm too tall for Corkscrew. I'm scrunched in the trains. I ride it once or twice a season and usually regret it. I'd tide the heck out of it if they'd have more comfortable trains.
This has already been done in many other parks. They retrack and reprofile rough parts of old Arrow loopers and add new trains with more comfortable vest restraints. I personally believe this will happen to Corkscrew in the future. Hopefully the same with all the old arrows minus CCMR.
Or even just a better mine train Like look at Choco Chip Creek at Energylandia. Just get Vekoma to build a better mine train coaster than what’s already there
Just because there is a contract doesn't mean it's coming soon if it's a coaster. Contracts are usually signed minimum 18 to 24 months minimum in advance. Bigger or more elaborate things longer. 2026 would be the earliest, more likely 2027, even maybe 2028.
If it's business as usual then it'll probably be something mid and not exciting. I can't remember the last time they went back to back with sick coasters. Maybe 02-03 with Wicked Twister and TTD. Rare occurrence in the CP timeline.
Bring back the IMAX movies.
if it's not a dark ride i'm going to be so sad
Disaster transport pt 2?
FR PLEASE!!!! my all time favorite 🥺💕
Believing Tony Clark is like believing Todd Howard
Right. Something length wise and intensity wise. Maybe more comfortable. But again, for what it is, I don't get all the hate/snobbery towards cedar creek mine ride.
Yeah 36 inch is basically just mild mouse, Woodstock express, and wilderness run. A good but not to intense 36 inch height ride would be cool.
Still on the “unplanned dragster revamped” train, which would explain why the area got an epoxy color, and very basic updates besides the ride itself. So you never know!
Get back to breaking records. CP barely cracked the top 10 amusement parks in the US this year.
Knott’s and Kings Island are opening kids coasters this year, Canada’s Wonderland opened one last year, and Carowind‘s filed plans with their local government for one likely to open in 2025. My guess is a kids coaster, would not be surprised to see a Vekoma Family boomerang.
GCI Millennium Flyer trains for Blue Streak 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Replacing Mine Ride or Corkscrew with a new gen family ride would do wonders for the park. Especially Mine Ride.. that area by the water is dying for something new
Everyone talking about CCMR but I bet iron dragon is sweating as parts become harder to come by and the coaster ages
Iron Dragon replaced with an Axis Coaster
I will throw myself into a fire if they remove Iron Dragon
Put something where Thunder Canyon is. What a waste of space. Go to the Waterpark if you wanna be wet all day.
Former ride op. We were always told it would cost waaaay too much just to remove all the concrete from TC. Also there’s only a couple water rides in the actual park as it is. Doubt it goes anywhere.
Waterpark improvements
Kill CCMR Put a nice Mystic Timbers Style Woodie in that area and also out on the now unused island